Some quotes from a scout:
| “Awkward footwork, throwing the ball up, turning the ball over,’’ a college and NFL talent evaluator told The Post. “I can’t believe how the national media goes crazy over Darnold. I can’t see what they’re looking at.’’ |
| “I’m very pleasantly surprised,’’ he said. “He wasn’t accurate as a deep-ball thrower at all at Duke and he’s really thrown some really nice deep-ball passes over the outside shoulders of the receivers. He’s getting better, but getting better doesn’t always translate to wins. |
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But I know who I’d rather have.
Darnold on the other hand has Adam Gase who I think is destroying the Jets. They guy make Shurmur look like Lombardi.
I am happy with Jones and feel he is showing his ability to handle pressure if playing in NY.
I'm almost willing to give him a pass for this year because of all the mono stuff, but his mechanics are alarmingly bad.
Daniel is playing with better footwork right now, he's throwing a more accurate ball, and he's more athletic.
I'm happy with our guy - but I do still believe Sam Darnold is, and will be a good NFL QB. But - this is just a reminder that if Saquon Barkley wasn't here, this is the guy who would be. Because we were never using that draft pick on anything other than Barkley or a QB absent a trade down - which, is a scenario we've beaten to death sufficiently and don't need to re-address here.
Bottom line, what was looked at as a failure of epic proportions by many for NYG to pass on QB in 2018, isn't looking like much of a failure at all.
And yes, I realize by the end last season, Jet fans were feeling just as good about Darnold as we are about Jones right now. But, I honestly would stick with Jones if you gave me the option to do a 1 for 1 deal with zero implications in a vacuum.
He had the highest adjusted completion percentage on deep passes out of any QB in college football last year. Even ahead of Tua.
...of an embarrassment than our offensive line. And that's saying something. Practically all assessments about Sam Darnold are pre-mature. No one could succeed behind the Jet's front line, and that includes Daniel Jones.
I'm happy with our guy - but I do still believe Sam Darnold is, and will be a good NFL QB. But - this is just a reminder that if Saquon Barkley wasn't here, this is the guy who would be. Because we were never using that draft pick on anything other than Barkley or a QB absent a trade down - which, is a scenario we've beaten to death sufficiently and don't need to re-address here.
And will still be beaten to death by the usual suspects-for years!
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I'm happy with our guy - but I do still believe Sam Darnold is, and will be a good NFL QB. But - this is just a reminder that if Saquon Barkley wasn't here, this is the guy who would be. Because we were never using that draft pick on anything other than Barkley or a QB absent a trade down - which, is a scenario we've beaten to death sufficiently and don't need to re-address here.
And will still be beaten to death by the usual suspects-for years!
You know it! :)
But I know who I’d rather have.
I m one of the few posters here who remained a fan of Mike. But when you allow a bias to impact your objectivity when sharing a narrative, as he has been doing with the Giants, you lose credibility with even long time listeners.
He had the highest adjusted completion percentage on deep passes out of any QB in college football last year. Even ahead of Tua.
Exactly what I was going to say. It's like this guy just looked at stats instead of actually watching Jones in college. His receivers couldn't catch a deep pass if he literally walked it to them and handed it over so his completion percentage wasn't great, but it didn't have anything to do with his throw accuracy.
The other played at storied USC and was involved in a great Rose Bowl game that caught the nation's attention, but really not much else.
The masses were always going to go crazy for the latter, but it seems if one dug a little deeper there was more to it.
I'm almost willing to give him a pass for this year because of all the mono stuff, but his mechanics are alarmingly bad.
Daniel is playing with better footwork right now, he's throwing a more accurate ball, and he's more athletic.
I'm happy with our guy - but I do still believe Sam Darnold is, and will be a good NFL QB. But - this is just a reminder that if Saquon Barkley wasn't here, this is the guy who would be. Because we were never using that draft pick on anything other than Barkley or a QB absent a trade down - which, is a scenario we've beaten to death sufficiently and don't need to re-address here.
Bottom line, what was looked at as a failure of epic proportions by many for NYG to pass on QB in 2018, isn't looking like much of a failure at all.
And yes, I realize by the end last season, Jet fans were feeling just as good about Darnold as we are about Jones right now. But, I honestly would stick with Jones if you gave me the option to do a 1 for 1 deal with zero implications in a vacuum.
I don't believe the giants would have gone with any of the quarterbacks in 2018 if they didn't take Barkley. I think it would have been Chubb (if not a slight trade down).
Even though Saquon has been banged up this year. They're well on their way.
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Daniel Jones looks like the better player to me right now. And it's not just recency bias. Darnold has been really inconsistent and has had some really horrid games as a pro.
I'm almost willing to give him a pass for this year because of all the mono stuff, but his mechanics are alarmingly bad.
Daniel is playing with better footwork right now, he's throwing a more accurate ball, and he's more athletic.
I'm happy with our guy - but I do still believe Sam Darnold is, and will be a good NFL QB. But - this is just a reminder that if Saquon Barkley wasn't here, this is the guy who would be. Because we were never using that draft pick on anything other than Barkley or a QB absent a trade down - which, is a scenario we've beaten to death sufficiently and don't need to re-address here.
Bottom line, what was looked at as a failure of epic proportions by many for NYG to pass on QB in 2018, isn't looking like much of a failure at all.
And yes, I realize by the end last season, Jet fans were feeling just as good about Darnold as we are about Jones right now. But, I honestly would stick with Jones if you gave me the option to do a 1 for 1 deal with zero implications in a vacuum.
I don't believe the giants would have gone with any of the quarterbacks in 2018 if they didn't take Barkley. I think it would have been Chubb (if not a slight trade down).
There's no way NYG were taking Nick Chubb @ 2.
It was Barkley or a QB.
The rest of my post(s) can stay as-is. I don't think we were ever seriously considering Chubb.
Last season, we had to see posts after any Darnold outing that was positive about how we missed the boat on drafting a QB.
This year? Well, the last couple of weeks, you'd swear that Darnold wasn't even in the conversation as the preferred pick. The number of posters who said they implored the Giants to trade down or pick Nelson is growing by the day!
And now, I'm seeing a groundswell of posts talking about how it was negligent for Gettleman not to trade down to acquire more "assets" as the RB wastes his prime years on the team.
Darnold on the other hand has Adam Gase who I think is destroying the Jets. They guy make Shurmur look like Lombardi.
I am happy with Jones and feel he is showing his ability to handle pressure if playing in NY.
I feel DJ8 is succeeding despite Shumoor. His early scripted plays are getting blown up now opposing coaches have tapr, keeps blocking with Saquon, doesn't chip or block with Ellison on a twitch ER Solder has problems with, not to name the numerous other HC atrocities.
Last season, we had to see posts after any Darnold outing that was positive about how we missed the boat on drafting a QB.
This year? Well, the last couple of weeks, you'd swear that Darnold wasn't even in the conversation as the preferred pick. The number of posters who said they implored the Giants to trade down or pick Nelson is growing by the day!
And now, I'm seeing a groundswell of posts talking about how it was negligent for Gettleman not to trade down to acquire more "assets" as the RB wastes his prime years on the team.
There has definitely been an uptick in the anti-Barkley crowd. Though, all along I have gotten a kick out of reading the shelf life of an NFL RB is shrinking down to a minuscule 2-3 years apparently.
Last season, we had to see posts after any Darnold outing that was positive about how we missed the boat on drafting a QB.
This year? Well, the last couple of weeks, you'd swear that Darnold wasn't even in the conversation as the preferred pick. The number of posters who said they implored the Giants to trade down or pick Nelson is growing by the day!
And now, I'm seeing a groundswell of posts talking about how it was negligent for Gettleman not to trade down to acquire more "assets" as the RB wastes his prime years on the team.
If nothing else it has been entertaining. Probably the most entertaining thing to come out of those posts have been about how little Barry Sanders mattered to his team.
He's looking more like Jameis Winston each week. He's throwing off his back foot. He's floating balls. He's not seeing coverages. His footwork has been all over the place.
Jones has struggled at times, but he's still making a few plays each game where you just know he's on the right track. Darnold is doing that less and less. The past two games, it would be difficult to point to any plays by Darnold to say that he's got the goods to succeed.
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with grading drafts immediately and the gnashing of teeth at whom is picked well before the dust settles.
Last season, we had to see posts after any Darnold outing that was positive about how we missed the boat on drafting a QB.
This year? Well, the last couple of weeks, you'd swear that Darnold wasn't even in the conversation as the preferred pick. The number of posters who said they implored the Giants to trade down or pick Nelson is growing by the day!
And now, I'm seeing a groundswell of posts talking about how it was negligent for Gettleman not to trade down to acquire more "assets" as the RB wastes his prime years on the team.
If nothing else it has been entertaining. Probably the most entertaining thing to come out of those posts have been about how little Barry Sanders mattered to his team.
Good point, also don't forget that the Barkley complaints are coming as Christian McCaffrey (a Gettleman top 10 pick) is virtually carrying the Panthers offense as they have been playing pretty well.
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with grading drafts immediately and the gnashing of teeth at whom is picked well before the dust settles.
Last season, we had to see posts after any Darnold outing that was positive about how we missed the boat on drafting a QB.
This year? Well, the last couple of weeks, you'd swear that Darnold wasn't even in the conversation as the preferred pick. The number of posters who said they implored the Giants to trade down or pick Nelson is growing by the day!
And now, I'm seeing a groundswell of posts talking about how it was negligent for Gettleman not to trade down to acquire more "assets" as the RB wastes his prime years on the team.
If nothing else it has been entertaining. Probably the most entertaining thing to come out of those posts have been about how little Barry Sanders mattered to his team.
Or Jim Brown, or Gale Sayers, or even Zeke Elliott....Or....
Even the Patriots game.
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with grading drafts immediately and the gnashing of teeth at whom is picked well before the dust settles.
Last season, we had to see posts after any Darnold outing that was positive about how we missed the boat on drafting a QB.
This year? Well, the last couple of weeks, you'd swear that Darnold wasn't even in the conversation as the preferred pick. The number of posters who said they implored the Giants to trade down or pick Nelson is growing by the day!
And now, I'm seeing a groundswell of posts talking about how it was negligent for Gettleman not to trade down to acquire more "assets" as the RB wastes his prime years on the team.
If nothing else it has been entertaining. Probably the most entertaining thing to come out of those posts have been about how little Barry Sanders mattered to his team.
Good point, also don't forget that the Barkley complaints are coming as Christian McCaffrey (a Gettleman top 10 pick) is virtually carrying the Panthers offense as they have been playing pretty well.
I was told that since the Panthers get a lot of sacks, it was okay to draft McCaffrey 8th overall...
Yep. That was the logic I got from another poster.
Yep. That was the logic I got from another poster.
The Panthers were 27th in the league in sacks last season!
Off the top of my head, the Chandler Jones strip sack fumble recovery, the 2nd pick near the sideline at New England, and even the "lateral" play last week in Detroit were all opportunities for him to recognize a busted play quicker than he did and it cost him every time. If he can cut down on those, sacrifice the down but keep possession, he will be on his way.
Off the top of my head, the Chandler Jones strip sack fumble recovery, the 2nd pick near the sideline at New England, and even the "lateral" play last week in Detroit were all opportunities for him to recognize a busted play quicker than he did and it cost him every time. If he can cut down on those, sacrifice the down but keep possession, he will be on his way.
He will. I imagine the game is still moving very fast for him. It's a big step up from the competition he was facing in college.
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I was told that since the Panthers get a lot of sacks, it was okay to draft McCaffrey 8th overall...
Yep. That was the logic I got from another poster.
The Panthers were 27th in the league in sacks last season!
Yep. That was a real thing. Basically, they tried to tell me the Panthers were in a more acceptable situation to spend a top 10 pick @ RB.
The Giants were not, so... bad pick.
I know the usual suspects will be here any minute to refute all of this and this will be the thread today that eclipses 200+ posts while we continue to debate the merits of drafting an RB early, Saquon Barkley, and the Giants failures... but it's definitely getting silly the way Barkley is becoming the scapegoat for everything wrong with NYG.
No Lawrence?
There was a post this week that said if Barkley can get 2,000 yards from scrimmage and we can only win 5 games, we can do that without the 2,000 yards. My question was "well can we do without that if we want to win 9 games" and I was told we wasted a pick on a luxury.
If I don't hear the word fungible used incorrectly again in my lifetime, I won't be too sad...
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on the entire team I look forward to playing every week this season. Very excited for Jones' future.
No Lawrence?
Or Barkley... interesting. I personally think Barkley was the only reason to even watch NYG at all in 2018.
But, the omission is likely intentional because many of those who didn't like the pick are still protesting it in their own unique ways.
Darius Slayton a bigger reason to watch the Giants than the best RB in the NFL. Curious! :)
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on the entire team I look forward to playing every week this season. Very excited for Jones' future.
No Lawrence?
Or Barkley... interesting. I personally think Barkley was the only reason to even watch NYG at all in 2018.
But, the omission is likely intentional because many of those who didn't like the pick are still protesting it in their own unique ways.
Darius Slayton a bigger reason to watch the Giants than the best RB in the NFL. Curious! :)
Re-read my post. I said "this season." Barkley was out for a month. I've enjoyed Jones and Slayton chemistry this season. Not a swipe at Barkley (or anyone else) at all.
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I know the usual suspects will be here any minute to refute all of this and this will be the thread today that eclipses 200+ posts while we continue to debate the merits of drafting an RB early, Saquon Barkley, and the Giants failures... but it's definitely getting silly the way Barkley is becoming the scapegoat for everything wrong with NYG.
There was a post this week that said if Barkley can get 2,000 yards from scrimmage and we can only win 5 games, we can do that without the 2,000 yards. My question was "well can we do without that if we want to win 9 games" and I was told we wasted a pick on a luxury.
If I don't hear the word fungible used incorrectly again in my lifetime, I won't be too sad...
The problem I keep finding is I'll see posters say things like "well, if we were still a 5 win team but we had Quinton Nelson instead of Barkley, I'd be fine with it"
Bullshit they'd be fine with it. If we were still losing like this, the argument would have just shifted into some other way to paint Gettleman as incompetent and no one would be happy.
These trade down arguments also always assume that every other pick in the draft just remains static. It doesn't work that way. If you change one event, it has a ripple effect and changes everything else.
These hindsight arguments get so fucking exhausting. We can all come up with what looks like a 'brilliant' draft plan having that benefit. It doesn't work that way in real time.
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In comment 14654369 Dave in Hoboken said:
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on the entire team I look forward to playing every week this season. Very excited for Jones' future.
No Lawrence?
Or Barkley... interesting. I personally think Barkley was the only reason to even watch NYG at all in 2018.
But, the omission is likely intentional because many of those who didn't like the pick are still protesting it in their own unique ways.
Darius Slayton a bigger reason to watch the Giants than the best RB in the NFL. Curious! :)
Re-read my post. I said "this season." Barkley was out for a month. I've enjoyed Jones and Slayton chemistry this season. Not a swipe at Barkley (or anyone else) at all.
Fair enough!
I think Lawrence and Baker are worthy of some excitement as well. Both guys are getting better by the week and should be starters here for a while. Defense has a lot of holes, but I think those two will have their spots locked down for quite some time.