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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/4/2019 7:59 am
I'm just hoping for a competitive game  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/4/2019 8:03 am : link
Really.
SFG  
cjac : 11/4/2019 8:05 am : link
if the game is tied in the 4th and the Giants lose on a last minute FG, i'm going to be upset.

I want to win
so what exactly  
ryanmkeane : 11/4/2019 8:32 am : link
are we looking for tonight? A win obviously, but let's state the obvious and say that doesn't happen:

1. Is Shurmur capable of coaching a good, clean game with this roster? Methinks no, hoping to see some improvement with the coaching at any point here
2. Jones on the national stage vs Cowboys..let's see if he's up to task
3. Can we get Barkley involved early and sustain some long drives? Dallas seems to always have these 6-8 minute drives against us early...let's try and match that
4. Defense defense...looking forward to seeing Williams out there getting significant snaps.
Let's crush these guys.  
Tim in JTown : 11/4/2019 8:43 am : link
Up the tempo.
Run out a bulldozing wrecking crew of an OL.
More press D.
Someone piss off Zo Carter.
Release the Kraken.
Let me make a prediction for tonight...  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/4/2019 8:46 am : link
Cowboys get up early due to Giants defense nonexistent on 3rd down and some Giants miscues (blown assignments or turnovers).

Giants claw back a bit in the first half and make it somewhat competitive at half time.

Dallas pulls away in the 2nd half.

Shurmur says we have to clean it up.
RE: Let me make a prediction for tonight...  
ryanmkeane : 11/4/2019 8:51 am : link
In comment 14659968 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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Cowboys get up early due to Giants defense nonexistent on 3rd down and some Giants miscues (blown assignments or turnovers).

Giants claw back a bit in the first half and make it somewhat competitive at half time.

Dallas pulls away in the 2nd half.

Shurmur says we have to clean it up.

Haha. Man, I can't tell if that's funny or sad. But it is reality.
Shurmur  
cjac : 11/4/2019 8:52 am : link
will most likely do something stupid in desperation like he always does. Like go for it on a 4th down when he should punt, or punt when he should go for it. Or go for 2 way too early when he doesnt have to.

There's always some friggin foible with this guy
RE: Let's crush these guys.  
gmenatlarge : 11/4/2019 8:58 am : link
In comment 14659963 Tim in JTown said:
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Up the tempo.
Run out a bulldozing wrecking crew of an OL.
More press D.
Someone piss off Zo Carter.
Release the Kraken.


Where exactly are they getting a "bulldozing wrecking crew of an OL"?
on any given sunday etc may never have been really true although it  
plato : 11/4/2019 9:02 am : link
may apply to one game out of 12-16.:i think Monday night is different with some teams dominating Monday wins, and others losing in national games more frequently. I think, but havent done the stats that the Cowboys fall into the first over their history, and the Giants into the Second,

Given that, and with looking at our beloved giants team from coaching staff through all the players, our giants have little chance to win. I wonder if rookie qbs have ever won on a Monday night or national game? So giants should lose and given our secondary, should not cover.

But, thats why the play the games.
The Giants don't do well in prime time  
mikeinbloomfield : 11/4/2019 9:09 am : link
and the first Dallas game wasn't as close as the score. Point is, I'm not expecting much.
I'd like to see Barkley break a long one tonight....  
Britt in VA : 11/4/2019 9:10 am : link
100 yards rushing, 100 yards receiving would be nice.

Go Giants!
If Giants do pull a miracle it won' t be  
shyster : 11/4/2019 9:11 am : link
because of the players' meeting.


Dan Duggan
‏Verified account @DDuggan21

Set out to uncover some details from the heavily publicized "players-only meeting." Instead, I learned that the meeting didn't actually take place.


never mind - ( New Window )
The Giants need to figure out how to beat the Cowboys and Eagles.  
George from PA : 11/4/2019 9:12 am : link
Nothing will change, until we can do that....

The Giants have a guy....that already beat them this year....follow his lead and do it again.
Jenkins is the only starter who has won against Dallas...  
x meadowlander : 11/4/2019 9:13 am : link
...the worst part of it isn't losing, it's being Philly and Dallas's bitch for a decade.

Excluding London......  
BillKo : 11/4/2019 9:15 am : link
every home team won yesterday.

I see a trend.

Wow, the players  
jvm52106 : 11/4/2019 9:23 am : link
only meeting turned out to be like most of our game plans- we talked about it, we set it up and then did nothing with it.
hopefully this game doesn't end week 9  
jvm52106 : 11/4/2019 9:25 am : link
like Thursday started it, with a road divisional opponent winning.
RE: Wow, the players  
Defense56 : 11/4/2019 9:33 am : link
In comment 14660058 jvm52106 said:
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only meeting turned out to be like most of our game plans- we talked about it, we set it up and then did nothing with it.


You know, thinking about it, the Giants don't really have any player leaders on this team anymore. There's not much leading Eli can do from the bench and even though Saquon and DJ seem wise beyond their years, they don't have any experience in the trenches. Nobody on the O-line that I can think of, nobody on the defense. Who are the player leaders on this team?
I hate these night games...just too late...midnight before getting to  
Thats Gold, Jerry : 11/4/2019 9:38 am : link
bed. But I echo an earlier comment that I hope the game is competitive.

To me, this is the beginning of the evaluation of Shurmur and Bettcher...and I will be focusing on that. Are we getting better and is DJ continuing to improve?

Obviously, I would love to see us beat the obnoxious Cowboys and I hope and pray that they do but I am certainly not expecting it.
RE: Wow, the players  
nygiants16 : 11/4/2019 9:44 am : link
In comment 14660058 jvm52106 said:
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only meeting turned out to be like most of our game plans- we talked about it, we set it up and then did nothing with it.


or maybe they are just not talking to the media? you know like they are supposed to..

Carl Banks said it perfectly if the media finds out details about players only meeting then the pkayers only meeting means nothing..
Dak  
ChicagoMarty : 11/4/2019 9:44 am : link
totally shredded our secondary in the first game.

Our db's were nowhere near the wr's on multiple occasions.

My hope is that the secondary tightens up.

Perhaps it is just my delusional glass half full observation - but the past couple of weeks Baker seems a lot closer to the guy he is supposed to cover as opposed to running five yards behind him like the first couple of games.

Tighten up a bit more and we might have something.

Safeties are still way out of position too much

And then there is Amari Cooper... Hopeully Jackrabbit will be a bit closer this time...
The Cowboys scored on five or six straight drives in the first game  
Greg from LI : 11/4/2019 9:48 am : link
Not doing that again would be a good start.
I don't see this defense consistently competing  
Mike from SI : 11/4/2019 9:58 am : link
with the Dallas offense. I'll be watching to see DJ's development in tough circumstances on a national stage and the wonder that is Saquon.
Now that we've added Bucannon and Williams  
bceagle05 : 11/4/2019 10:05 am : link
is Bettcher allowed to stop anyone? Let's see the Cowboys punt team a few times tonight.
I'm a sucker  
ShockNRoll : 11/4/2019 10:06 am : link
at 2-6, even after the way the past 8 years have gone and on the heels of a 4 game losing streak, I am still going into this game with the internal narrative of "If they win this game and the Jets game, they'll be in striking distance for the division going into the bye week." Dallas is the far better team, we just have to hope to contain Elliott and hope that the secondary can keep Cooper and Gallup, not to mention our old nemesis Witten and our modern day nemesis Jarwin, in check. The biggest source of hope that I have is that the pass rush, while not exceptional, has shown improvement since week 1. If they can force Dak into a few mistakes and end a few drives on sacks, this will be a winnable game.
A win would be big for this young team  
Rudy5757 : 11/4/2019 10:10 am : link
sadly the script for this team has been the same since we played the Cowboys the 1st time. The defense hasnt shown up in the 1st quarter. Its like every team has early success and we have to play catch up.

I dont see us getting a win, we just dont have any legit top players yet. teams line up and do what they want on O. we have a lot of young players and they just dont know what it takes to win yet and we have very few vets who can show them the way.

I hope for a good competitive game and think we will continue to show some bright spots but the Cowboys are the better team right now and its not close.
RE: I don't see this defense consistently competing  
AcidTest : 11/4/2019 10:11 am : link
In comment 14660150 Mike from SI said:
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with the Dallas offense. I'll be watching to see DJ's development in tough circumstances on a national stage and the wonder that is Saquon.


^This. I think Dallas wins this game easily, principally by controlling both lines of scrimmage. My guess is that they win by at least two touchdowns.
I've got a tingling feeling this is our "game of the season" that  
PatersonPlank : 11/4/2019 10:22 am : link
poor (but building) teams get. At home, Monday night, against a hated rival, the players don't want to be embarrassed and the Cowboys are frankly overrated.

I think we thump them
.  
GiantEgo : 11/4/2019 10:55 am : link
I think the offense could be good enough to pull off an upset but it's hard to imagine the defense being competitive.
Dallas did get beat by the Jets  
jvm52106 : 11/4/2019 11:10 am : link
but they were missing their Oline that day. I am not sure what to expect with this team. I kind of hope they turn it up a bit and go hurry up, no huddle and make Dallas's defense stay in base for long stretches.
Heard on the. BBK Podcast from Friday  
joeinpa : 11/4/2019 11:12 am : link
That this Dallas defense has allowed 0 conversions on 3rd and 10+ this season; is that possible!

Also heard Dallas D on 3 rd and seven overall has only allowed a 7% conversion rate.

I hesitate to share things I hear when I m casually listening, but pretty sure this is what I heard, I apologize if inaccurate

But if true in todays NFL where rules favor the offense, those stats are Astounding.
Dont get totally embarrassed tonight  
The_Boss : 11/4/2019 11:25 am : link
Keep it under a 14 point spread and Ill be happy.
RE: .  
Dinger : 11/4/2019 11:32 am : link
In comment 14660306 GiantEgo said:
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I think the offense could be good enough to pull off an upset but it's hard to imagine the defense being competitive.


I agree with you in general. But on the thursday night againt the Pats I felt like the D had their best game against an actual team even though we got thumped. If that D shows up we have a chance.
Already know how this will play out,  
darren in pdx : 11/4/2019 11:34 am : link
either they get completely blown out again or they get down three scores early, come back within one score and cant finish the deal or they tie/take a one-point lead and lose in the final seconds.
If the Giants o-line can be competitive (BIG if),  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/4/2019 11:37 am : link
they should be able to move the ball. Dallas' defense isn't that good this season. Leighton Vander esch isn't supposed to play. Then it becomes a matter of red zone offense, which doesn't seem to be a Pat Shurmur strength.

The defense OTOH is a major issue. I expect that they'll slow down Zeke initially, but why should we have any faith in the pass defense? Baker is playing 1,000% better than in week 1, yet receivers still get open behind the defense due to the safeties and slot corner. Dak has killed the Giants. Bettcher's soft 3rd down defenses are horrific. The Cowturds are rested and the OL is relatively healthy.

TBH, IDGAF about anything other than Daniel Jones playing well and staying healthy.
Giants have given no indication at all that they can stop anyone  
Brown Recluse : 11/4/2019 11:42 am : link
defensively and the Cowboys have one of the best offenses in the league. I expect Dak to have all night to pass the ball and Grant Haley to continue getting torched out of the slot.

Robert Quinn is playing out of his mind and Nate Solder looks like shit again. The turnover-prone Daniel Jones is in for a long night against this pass rush.

Gonna be ugly.

Giants 14
Cowboys 38


I have feelings that this is going to be shit show tonight  
BeckShepEli : 11/4/2019 11:42 am : link
31-14 Cowboys type of game
The last time the Giants were home dogs to Dallas....  
Britt in VA : 11/4/2019 11:46 am : link
by this large of a margin (7.5) was in 1997.

The 2-3 Giants upset the 3-1 Cowboys 20-17.
RE: RE: .  
cjac : 11/4/2019 11:48 am : link
In comment 14660373 Dinger said:
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In comment 14660306 GiantEgo said:


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I think the offense could be good enough to pull off an upset but it's hard to imagine the defense being competitive.



I agree with you in general. But on the thursday night againt the Pats I felt like the D had their best game against an actual team even though we got thumped. If that D shows up we have a chance.


Cowboys offense is leaps and bounds better than the Pats O. Especially the O-line
Ugly  
Joey in VA : 11/4/2019 11:48 am : link
Again, and I think we actually lose by more than week 1. Kris Richard and Marinelli will confuse and harass Daniel Jones into game killing turnovers and we will not do much offensively. Defensively, we still get gashed no matter what a team tries, passing or running. We have to totally commit to stopping one phase that whatever we choose to stop, the opponent simply counters and dumbass Bettcher does nothing. We trot out 7 DBs against the Cards and they see it and proceed to ram it down our throats. So we go bigger against the Lions and shock of all shocks they torch us passing. Everything is easy against this historically embarrassing defense. It's honestly sickening.

Dallas 42
Giants 10
I just don't see us keeping the Cowboys off the board...  
BillKo : 11/4/2019 11:54 am : link
......and see them hitting 28-31 points. Meaning..we need to score a ton.

But every game is different and the last time the Cowboys came in to this stadium, they lost.

Need turnovers and big plays.

I think we'll score more than 10 points though.........
RE: The last time the Giants were home dogs to Dallas....  
mittenedman : 11/4/2019 11:55 am : link
In comment 14660395 Britt in VA said:
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by this large of a margin (7.5) was in 1997.

The 2-3 Giants upset the 3-1 Cowboys 20-17.


I loved that 1997 Giants D. When you have a D like that you have a shot every week. This team obviously doesn't.

It's a bumbling error prone offense featuring a rookie QB taking his lumps combined with a non-competitive D. I agree with Joey in VA right above - no chance. This will go similar to the Vikings game IMO. Never really a contest.
Joey ....  
Bob in Vt : 11/4/2019 11:57 am : link
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Everything is easy against this historically embarrassing defense. It's honestly sickening.


Amen to that
RE: RE: The last time the Giants were home dogs to Dallas....  
Britt in VA : 11/4/2019 11:58 am : link
In comment 14660409 mittenedman said:
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In comment 14660395 Britt in VA said:


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by this large of a margin (7.5) was in 1997.

The 2-3 Giants upset the 3-1 Cowboys 20-17.



I loved that 1997 Giants D. When you have a D like that you have a shot every week. This team obviously doesn't.

It's a bumbling error prone offense featuring a rookie QB taking his lumps combined with a non-competitive D. I agree with Joey in VA right above - no chance. This will go similar to the Vikings game IMO. Never really a contest.


All signs point to that, can't argue...

However, the Cowboys were 7 point favorites a few weeks ago in this building as well, and lost to the Jets.
I mean, sh-t happens....  
Britt in VA : 11/4/2019 12:00 pm : link
that's why they play the game.
I agree Britt.  
mittenedman : 11/4/2019 12:06 pm : link
I'll be watching tonight hoping to win.

I've just completely soured on Shurmur. I fully expect to come out in Shotgun with a rookie QB and a run blocking OL, winging the ball all over the place against an excellent D.

And Bettcher will be exactly as described above. Basically we'll look cluelessly outcoached on both sides of the ball. I supported both of these guys when hired but not anymore.
RE: Let me make a prediction for tonight...  
bradshaw44 : 11/4/2019 12:06 pm : link
In comment 14659968 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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Cowboys get up early due to Giants defense nonexistent on 3rd down and some Giants miscues (blown assignments or turnovers).

Giants claw back a bit in the first half and make it somewhat competitive at half time.

Dallas pulls away in the 2nd half.

Shurmur says we have to clean it up.


This is how I have it mapped out in my head and why I will probably fall asleep at halftime, wake up in the morning and see the exact highlights of the loss that I expected to see.

Hopefully I'm wrong.
Expect Witten to score another TD against his favorite team  
Rick in Dallas : 11/4/2019 12:08 pm : link
Cowboys should win by about 17 points in front of their home crowd. Thats what makes this game sickening. Expect to see Jerry Jones mug several times during the broadcast.
RE: Let me make a prediction for tonight...  
peteschweaty : 11/4/2019 12:21 pm : link
In comment 14659968 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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Cowboys get up early due to Giants defense nonexistent on 3rd down and some Giants miscues (blown assignments or turnovers).

Giants claw back a bit in the first half and make it somewhat competitive at half time.

Dallas pulls away in the 2nd half.

sounds about right

Shurmur says we have to clean it up.
RE: The Giants need to figure out how to beat the Cowboys and Eagles.  
Rong5611 : 11/4/2019 12:30 pm : link
Yep, the only way we get better and have meaningful games down the stretch is to beat Dallas and Philly.



In comment 14660027 George from PA said:
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Nothing will change, until we can do that....

The Giants have a guy....that already beat them this year....follow his lead and do it again.
Will Dallas punt before the 4th qtr?  
Rflairr : 11/4/2019 12:39 pm : link
.
Defensive line with  
nygiants16 : 11/4/2019 12:43 pm : link
williams, lawrence and tomlinson should be able to clog up running lanes..

I think we see more bucannon, which will allow defense to play smaller but still be able to stop the run..
We have a few players playing tonight that didn;t play in the game 1  
Rjanyg : 11/4/2019 12:44 pm : link
1. Jones
2. Tate
3. Williams
4. Buchanon

I am not sure how much of a difference they will make but it has to be an improvement. Baker is a better player since that game no doubt. This game will come down to executing a game plan on offense. You want to score but you also want to keep it away from Dallas. Let's see if Shurmur gets Barkley involved in both the run and pass game and helps protect Jones.

That is the key to the game IMO.
RE: We have a few players playing tonight that didn;t play in the game 1  
gmenatlarge : 11/4/2019 12:47 pm : link
In comment 14660492 Rjanyg said:
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1. Jones
2. Tate
3. Williams
4. Buchanon

I am not sure how much of a difference they will make but it has to be an improvement. Baker is a better player since that game no doubt. This game will come down to executing a game plan on offense. You want to score but you also want to keep it away from Dallas. Let's see if Shurmur gets Barkley involved in both the run and pass game and helps protect Jones.

That is the key to the game IMO.


Yeah, maybe Shurmur will run SB up the gut for two on first down like he did against Snacks repeatedly in the Lions game, BRILLIANT!!!!!
Sooooooo  
Anakim : 11/4/2019 12:56 pm : link
Are we activating Beal?
RE: Sooooooo  
Rflairr : 11/4/2019 1:02 pm : link
In comment 14660513 Anakim said:
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Are we activating Beal?


They should. And release Tanney or Haley
Haley..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/4/2019 1:24 pm : link
has a place on this team. He's most likely our surest tackler.
RE: Haley..  
BillKo : 11/4/2019 1:41 pm : link
In comment 14660579 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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has a place on this team. He's most likely our surest tackler.


Yeah, he's not the best corner but he's shown he can play.......not a guy to be discarded at this time.
Bar is very LOW  
Thegratefulhead : 11/4/2019 1:42 pm : link
I just want Dallas make it look difficult to convert 3rd and 17 against us. A perfect pass or something, not the guy is so open you could pass it to him underhanded and lobbed and still complete the pass.

On offense I would like Barkley to touch the ball at least 30 times. Don't care how, but that guy should have the ball. No turnovers...none. Limit penalties PLEASE.
not sure if everyone saw it....  
BillKo : 11/4/2019 1:45 pm : link
....but on the Giants.com they had a photo gallery of games going back versus the Cowboys - said to be rarely seen - and some were very cool.

Check it out if that's your thing. One of Giants Stadium in 1976 with the NY skyline - black and white - was really neat.
RE: not sure if everyone saw it....  
Thegratefulhead : 11/4/2019 1:46 pm : link
In comment 14660622 BillKo said:
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....but on the Giants.com they had a photo gallery of games going back versus the Cowboys - said to be rarely seen - and some were very cool.

Check it out if that's your thing. One of Giants Stadium in 1976 with the NY skyline - black and white - was really neat.
TY will check that out.
linky....  
BillKo : 11/4/2019 1:46 pm : link
https://www.giants.com/photos/through-the-years-giants-vs-cowboys-rivalry#6f1919c6-1800-42a8-aafc-382232e83cfc
No  
Toth029 : 11/4/2019 1:51 pm : link
KVE. Time to take advantage and spread Engram in the slot or wide.
My hope is that the secondary tightens up.  
Torrag : 11/4/2019 2:09 pm : link
Hope is all we have. We haven't changed anything to expect a different result. Haley trails receivers by two yards or more consistently. Bethea and Thomas have no footspeed to help the deep boundary or run with players crossing. Chandler and Hamilton are the walking embodiment of the term JAG.

If the definition of insanity is doing the same things yet expecting a different result then this coaching staff is crazy or stupid(more likely the latter). They've failed at nearly every opportunity to alter the personnel in situations where the results have been negative. That specifically applies to the DB's as I've discussed here and halapio at OC.
'Haley has a place on this team. He's most likely our surest tackler'  
Torrag : 11/4/2019 2:19 pm : link
Advanced stats show him yielding an 80.6% completion rate for 11.7 Y/A. He's God awful. His primary job is as a DB. To cover receivers. He simply can't do it. He trails receivers by two yards or more consistently. He has 0 passes defended in over 30 targets. He's our worst defender in 3rd down situations.


I swear when people post stuff like this I want to break things. Yes, he can tackle but if he can't cover who gives a shit. That's his primary responsibility and he can't do it!
I can't stand  
HoustonGiant : 11/4/2019 2:43 pm : link
Booger
RE: 'Haley has a place on this team. He's most likely our surest tackler'  
Giantz_comeback : 11/4/2019 2:49 pm : link
In comment 14660699 Torrag said:
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Advanced stats show him yielding an 80.6% completion rate for 11.7 Y/A. He's God awful. His primary job is as a DB. To cover receivers. He simply can't do it. He trails receivers by two yards or more consistently. He has 0 passes defended in over 30 targets. He's our worst defender in 3rd down situations.


I swear when people post stuff like this I want to break things. Yes, he can tackle but if he can't cover who gives a shit. That's his primary responsibility and he can't do it!


Lol. Seriously.
Pessimistic is probably an understatement on MNF  
kdog77 : 11/4/2019 2:55 pm : link
This Giants team has been really tough to watch for past 4 weeks and it seems like they are going nowhere for 3rd year in a row. As much as I hate to admit it the Cowboys are more talented at nearly every position on the roster and should win this going away. Giants keeping it close into the 4th quarter would be nice, but I expect the route to be on by half-time. Would love to be wrong.

Cowboys 38 - Giants 17.
Guys, this is the Cowboys ! This is the team that always finds a way  
Ivan15 : 11/4/2019 2:59 pm : link
To miss the playoffs or get knocked out in the first round. They can be beaten, often by themselves.

Giants need to keep it close, realize they can compete, and finish strong.
Man-for-man man we are just not in their category.  
BillT : 11/4/2019 3:14 pm : link
We have a ways to go to get the amount of talent on the field as they do. Im just looking to see improvements where we have decent players.
RE: 'Haley has a place on this team. He's most likely our surest tackler'  
BillKo : 11/4/2019 3:18 pm : link
In comment 14660699 Torrag said:
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Advanced stats show him yielding an 80.6% completion rate for 11.7 Y/A. He's God awful. His primary job is as a DB. To cover receivers. He simply can't do it. He trails receivers by two yards or more consistently. He has 0 passes defended in over 30 targets. He's our worst defender in 3rd down situations.


I swear when people post stuff like this I want to break things. Yes, he can tackle but if he can't cover who gives a shit. That's his primary responsibility and he can't do it!


Although he is playing the toughest position (slot) with pretty much zero safety help (as the other corners are too).

I expect this will be the scene tonight  
micky : 11/4/2019 3:30 pm : link
As the Stadium is mostly cowboy fans and celebrating this all night...

don't expect a win  
bc4life : 11/4/2019 3:38 pm : link
expect them to compete and play better than their first meeting (would be hard to play worse)
Giants  
stretch234 : 11/4/2019 3:49 pm : link
Can the Giants stop Dallas on 3rd down. They really have not stopped anyone thus far on 3rd down. is tonight going to be different - doubtful.

See them doing a good job against the run, but Dak having all day to throw, like he usually has against this team.

Dallas will score 5 times and they will all be TD's - the Giants are not scoring 5 TD's

Biggest thing I want to see is Jones against a good defense and good defensive coaches

we've won 10 games in 3 years  
Jints in Carolina : 11/4/2019 3:56 pm : link
I don't think we're making it 11 tonight.
Fuck Dallas...  
GiantFanInTX : 11/4/2019 3:59 pm : link
There is no team in all of sports that I despise more than the Dallas Cowboys and their fans. I'd rather see Philly win than Dallas. That's how much I hate them...
I want  
Photoguy : 11/4/2019 4:02 pm : link
a win, just to shut some of you guys up for a change.
RE: Giants  
Reale01 : 11/4/2019 4:06 pm : link
In comment 14660844 stretch234 said:
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Can the Giants stop Dallas on 3rd down. They really have not stopped anyone thus far on 3rd down. is tonight going to be different - doubtful.

See them doing a good job against the run, but Dak having all day to throw, like he usually has against this team.

Dallas will score 5 times and they will all be TD's - the Giants are not scoring 5 TD's


Biggest thing I want to see is Jones against a good defense and good defensive coaches



Distilling it to basics

Defense

Get off the field on third down
Prevent a series of long drives

Offense

Convert third downs
Score TDs in Red Zone
No turnovers



RE: I want  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/4/2019 4:47 pm : link
In comment 14660866 Photoguy said:
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a win, just to shut some of you guys up for a change.


Youd think after a while you might start thinking the people who you want to shut up might have a point.

RE: Bar is very LOW  
gmenatlarge : 11/4/2019 5:01 pm : link
In comment 14660617 Thegratefulhead said:
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I just want Dallas make it look difficult to convert 3rd and 17 against us. A perfect pass or something, not the guy is so open you could pass it to him underhanded and lobbed and still complete the pass.

On offense I would like Barkley to touch the ball at least 30 times. Don't care how, but that guy should have the ball. No turnovers...none. Limit penalties PLEASE.


You need to tell the moron PS that its OK to run the ball two times in a row! I dont think I have ever seen someone call plays with LESS of a feel for the game. When they do run a successful play its like they dont know what the fuck to do next, mind-boggling!
Eventually the worm will turn  
EJJ : 11/4/2019 5:13 pm : link
Why not tonight? Remember Dallas lost 3 in a row. Remember the mighty Jets beat the almighty Boys a few weeks ago ,in this very stadium.
Tonight might just be the night! Danny dropping dimes!
Saquon taking the rock to the house!
The Giant D Yes the Giants D shutting down the Cowboy run game with our new improved D line.
You gotta believe!!
Seems kind of quite around here for a game that can define our season  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/4/2019 5:15 pm : link
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RE: Fuck Dallas...  
NYG07 : 11/4/2019 5:30 pm : link
In comment 14660862 GiantFanInTX said:
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There is no team in all of sports that I despise more than the Dallas Cowboys and their fans. I'd rather see Philly win than Dallas. That's how much I hate them...


+1. If we only win one more game the rest of the year I want it to be this one. I am so sick of losing to these assholes. I want to see Shurmur take some chances tonight. Just win.
RE: RE: Fuck Dallas...  
bceagle05 : 11/4/2019 5:44 pm : link
In comment 14660975 NYG07 said:
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+1. If we only win one more game the rest of the year I want it to be this one. I am so sick of losing to these assholes. I want to see Shurmur take some chances tonight. Just win.

Same here. They embarrassed us in Week 1 - play with an edge tonight. If we come out and meekly lose by 17+ points I'll be furious, and I'm mostly numb to the ineptitude by now. Shurmur needs to show a fucking pulse or pack his bags.
RE: Seems kind of quite around here for a game that can define our season  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/4/2019 5:50 pm : link
In comment 14660955 Zeke's Alibi said:
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How would this game define their season? They're 2-6.
RE: I expect this will be the scene tonight  
Greg from LI : 11/4/2019 5:57 pm : link
In comment 14660819 micky said:
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As the Stadium is mostly cowboy fans and celebrating this all night...



Ah yes, the stupidest celebration in NFL history
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/4/2019 5:57 pm : link
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21

10m
Giants will have six healthy scratches (to join Sterling Shepard who is inactive with a concussion). QB Alex Tanney, OL Eric Smith, OL Chad Slade, DL RJ McIntosh, LB Chris Peace and LB Devante Downs in the inactive warmup group.
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GiantEgo : 11/4/2019 6:08 pm : link
Assuming the Giants lose tonight it would setup a death match between Shurmur and Gase the loser facing unemployment. Mara really hates losing to the Jets and Gase appears to be on thin ice.
RE: 'Haley has a place on this team. He's most likely our surest tackler'  
WillVAB : 11/4/2019 6:21 pm : link
In comment 14660699 Torrag said:
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Advanced stats show him yielding an 80.6% completion rate for 11.7 Y/A. He's God awful. His primary job is as a DB. To cover receivers. He simply can't do it. He trails receivers by two yards or more consistently. He has 0 passes defended in over 30 targets. He's our worst defender in 3rd down situations.


I swear when people post stuff like this I want to break things. Yes, he can tackle but if he can't cover who gives a shit. That's his primary responsibility and he can't do it!


This. He has a fucking bulls eye on his back every week.

Slot receivers torch the Giants every single week. The one week they didnt (redskins) Keenum overthrew the slot receiver twice for two long TDs.
RE: RE: 'Haley has a place on this team. He's most likely our surest tackler'  
Giantz_comeback : 11/4/2019 6:26 pm : link
In comment 14660808 BillKo said:
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In comment 14660699 Torrag said:


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Advanced stats show him yielding an 80.6% completion rate for 11.7 Y/A. He's God awful. His primary job is as a DB. To cover receivers. He simply can't do it. He trails receivers by two yards or more consistently. He has 0 passes defended in over 30 targets. He's our worst defender in 3rd down situations.


I swear when people post stuff like this I want to break things. Yes, he can tackle but if he can't cover who gives a shit. That's his primary responsibility and he can't do it!



Although he is playing the toughest position (slot) with pretty much zero safety help (as the other corners are too).


It's not like their is tight coverage and the QB is just dropping dimes

He is getting absolutely torched. And consistently.
RE: RE: Seems kind of quite around here for a game that can define our season  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/4/2019 6:29 pm : link
In comment 14660992 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 14660955 Zeke's Alibi said:


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How would this game define their season? They're 2-6.


Because if they win tonight, they have the Jets and Bears. You never know, the NFL is a weird fucking place, and we have Eagles twice and that offense looks like doodoo without him.
Without Desean.  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/4/2019 6:30 pm : link
The Bears also suck now without that LB, they can't stop the run.
RE: RE: 'Haley has a place on this team. He's most likely our surest tackler'  
Giantz_comeback : 11/4/2019 6:31 pm : link
In comment 14661025 WillVAB said:
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In comment 14660699 Torrag said:


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Advanced stats show him yielding an 80.6% completion rate for 11.7 Y/A. He's God awful. His primary job is as a DB. To cover receivers. He simply can't do it. He trails receivers by two yards or more consistently. He has 0 passes defended in over 30 targets. He's our worst defender in 3rd down situations.


I swear when people post stuff like this I want to break things. Yes, he can tackle but if he can't cover who gives a shit. That's his primary responsibility and he can't do it!



This. He has a fucking bulls eye on his back every week.

Slot receivers torch the Giants every single week. The one week they didnt (redskins) Keenum overthrew the slot receiver twice for two long TDs.


Yup. Its insanely bad.
Also , for a more likely take, this game is pretty much a mini  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/4/2019 6:31 pm : link
Superbowl for us. DJ's first Monday night game, first Cowboy game, and first primetime game not in ridiculous weather.
Our safeties should play well up towards LOS  
Jimmy Googs : 11/4/2019 6:37 pm : link
its not like having them deep does anything good anyway...
Michael Gallup is probably going to torch this defense.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/4/2019 6:45 pm : link
and oh, 7 sacks allowed by Solder this year. I'm sure there wont be more of that tonight.
Excited  
mpinmaine : 11/4/2019 6:53 pm : link
which is nice to always feel that way as I have for years,
Go Giants!
Can't recall last time I was so un-excited about watching...  
M.S. : 11/4/2019 6:53 pm : link

...a Giants football game.

And I'm talking about well over half a century of watching (and being at) their games.

This is a bad football team overseen by an even worse coach.

As I've said in a previous thread  
Festina Lente : 11/4/2019 6:57 pm : link
I Have never felt more certain of a defeat against the Cowboys. I hope I am wrong of course, but I am anticipating an absolute whooping and I think it could get embarrassing.

Two hopes for this game: 1) I hope everyone comes out healthy and 2) that DJ doesn't look awful
RE: Seems kind of quite around here for a game that can define our season  
RDJR : 11/4/2019 6:58 pm : link
In comment 14660955 Zeke's Alibi said:
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I suspect our season has already been defined.
Giants win 34-30  
Biteymax22 : 11/4/2019 6:59 pm : link
Calling it right now
Been saying for 3 days that Im not watching this.  
j_rud : 11/4/2019 7:02 pm : link
I gotta get up at 4am. Theyre playing like ass. Never in the playoff hunt, meaningful football over by Halloween again, no faith in the coaching staff, questioning direction of the franchise.

And thats all valid. But who am I kidding? Im gonna watch, and its probably not gonna do anything but raise my blood pressure, but what can we do? I dont know about anyone else but I never consciously "picked" this team. Ive loved them for as long as i can remember. At this point its not really a choice. And when they do finally get it turned around itll have been worth it.

Oh, and fuck the Cowboys. And fuck Jerry Jones. Fuck them right in their stupid assholes.
RE: 'Haley has a place on this team. He's most likely our surest tackler'  
gmenatlarge : 11/4/2019 7:07 pm : link
In comment 14660699 Torrag said:
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Advanced stats show him yielding an 80.6% completion rate for 11.7 Y/A. He's God awful. His primary job is as a DB. To cover receivers. He simply can't do it. He trails receivers by two yards or more consistently. He has 0 passes defended in over 30 targets. He's our worst defender in 3rd down situations.


I swear when people post stuff like this I want to break things. Yes, he can tackle but if he can't cover who gives a shit. That's his primary responsibility and he can't do it!

So hes really great at tackling after a 11.7 yd gain
RE: I'd like to see Barkley break a long one tonight....  
Bluesbreaker : 11/4/2019 7:09 pm : link
In comment 14660018 Britt in VA said:
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100 yards rushing, 100 yards receiving would be nice.

Go Giants!

If that happens we might see an upset but historically
we suck in primetime games .
It would be nice to knock those SOB's off for once
Why I'd like to see some high draft resources used on an OT next  
BSIMatt : 11/4/2019 7:12 pm : link
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@DDuggan21
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A comparison of tonight's starting tackles (per @pff):
-Tyron Smith and La'el Collins have combined to allow 2 sacks, 2 QB hits, 11 hurries and 15 pressures
-Nate Solder and Mike Remmers have combined to allow 8 sacks (7 by Solder), 3 QB hits, 45 hurries and 58 pressures
RE: Been saying for 3 days that Im not watching this.  
Jay on the Island : 11/4/2019 7:13 pm : link
In comment 14661094 j_rud said:
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I gotta get up at 4am. Theyre playing like ass. Never in the playoff hunt, meaningful football over by Halloween again, no faith in the coaching staff, questioning direction of the franchise.

And thats all valid. But who am I kidding? Im gonna watch, and its probably not gonna do anything but raise my blood pressure, but what can we do? I dont know about anyone else but I never consciously "picked" this team. Ive loved them for as long as i can remember. At this point its not really a choice. And when they do finally get it turned around itll have been worth it.

Oh, and fuck the Cowboys. And fuck Jerry Jones. Fuck them right in their stupid assholes.

Daniel Jones is reason enough to keep watching. Even though they suck it's still nice to see him playing well.

I know we've seen sophomore slumps from Mayfield, Darnold, and Rosen but I don't expect that to happen to Jones. He's too smart and works too hard for him to not take a step forward next season.
RE: I expect this will be the scene tonight  
Bluesbreaker : 11/4/2019 7:13 pm : link
In comment 14660819 micky said:
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As the Stadium is mostly cowboy fans and celebrating this all night...


Grrr I loathe that SOB
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/4/2019 7:13 pm : link
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton

17s
A lot of cheers for some of the Cowboys as they run out of the tunnel for the special teams portion of warmups.
Had a terrible day . now we expect the worst ...  
Bluesbreaker : 11/4/2019 7:27 pm : link
Giants seem to be running in place going nowhere fast
Tonight we win !
No  
AcidTest : 11/4/2019 7:29 pm : link
changes to the OL apparently. My guess is that the Cowboys simply do what everyone else does, namely control our OL with four or five DL, dropping six or seven into coverage. That will make it very difficult to move the ball.
Love  
AcidTest : 11/4/2019 7:31 pm : link
the color rush uniforms.
RE: RE: 'Haley has a place on this team. He's most likely our surest tackler'  
gmenatlarge : 11/4/2019 7:35 pm : link
In comment 14661098 gmenatlarge said:
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In comment 14660699 Torrag said:


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Advanced stats show him yielding an 80.6% completion rate for 11.7 Y/A. He's God awful. His primary job is as a DB. To cover receivers. He simply can't do it. He trails receivers by two yards or more consistently. He has 0 passes defended in over 30 targets. He's our worst defender in 3rd down situations.


I swear when people post stuff like this I want to break things. Yes, he can tackle but if he can't cover who gives a shit. That's his primary responsibility and he can't do it!


So hes really great at tackling after a 11.7 yd gain


So what is worse when it comes to playing Haley- that there is no one on the roster to replace him or that the coaches CANT get anyone else ready to replace him?
If we lose, do rhe Jets get bragging rights?  
latichever : 11/4/2019 7:38 pm : link
At least until next week?
RE: No  
Jay on the Island : 11/4/2019 7:39 pm : link
In comment 14661136 AcidTest said:
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changes to the OL apparently. My guess is that the Cowboys simply do what everyone else does, namely control our OL with four or five DL, dropping six or seven into coverage. That will make it very difficult to move the ball.

I have to agree with Torraq, it's time to insert Pulley at C. He's not a good starting center but at least he's good at making the proper calls.
Sucks that once again Giants are done by November...BUT  
Maryland Giant : 11/4/2019 7:40 pm : link
Kinda cool that they do have a decent core of young players and some salary cap relief on the horizon.

Dont think this is the 1991 Cowboys necessaibut at least there is hope. Puzzled by the trade with the Jets-seems counter to what a team in the Giants position would do. Hopefully it pans out and we nail down another good draft and some decent free agents.

Go Giants.

Holy shit  
yankeeslover : 11/4/2019 7:42 pm : link
Can their be anymore cowboy homerism on this pregame?
RE: Holy shit  
gmenatlarge : 11/4/2019 7:45 pm : link
In comment 14661162 yankeeslover said:
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Can their be anymore cowboy homerism on this pregame?


What is there to talk about with the giants? Right now just DJ and thats about it.
RE: RE: No  
Greg from LI : 11/4/2019 7:47 pm : link
In comment 14661157 Jay on the Island said:
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I have to agree with Torraq, it's time to insert Pulley at C. He's not a good starting center but at least he's good at making the proper calls.


The performance of the OL with Pulley last year was better than the performance of the OL with Halapio. That much is obvious.
Ugh I forgot Michael Bennett is on Dallas now  
nyjuggernaut2 : 11/4/2019 7:56 pm : link
even more of a reason to hate the Cowgirls.
We're going to win  
allstarjim : 11/4/2019 8:03 pm : link
Going to enjoy this one.
RE: We're going to win  
Jints in Carolina : 11/5/2019 2:37 pm : link
In comment 14661194 allstarjim said:
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Going to enjoy this one.


ummm yeah...about that
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