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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/4/2019 7:59 am
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Will Dallas punt before the 4th qtr?  
Rflairr : 11/4/2019 12:39 pm : link
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Defensive line with  
nygiants16 : 11/4/2019 12:43 pm : link
williams, lawrence and tomlinson should be able to clog up running lanes..

I think we see more bucannon, which will allow defense to play smaller but still be able to stop the run..
We have a few players playing tonight that didn;t play in the game 1  
Rjanyg : 11/4/2019 12:44 pm : link
1. Jones
2. Tate
3. Williams
4. Buchanon

I am not sure how much of a difference they will make but it has to be an improvement. Baker is a better player since that game no doubt. This game will come down to executing a game plan on offense. You want to score but you also want to keep it away from Dallas. Let's see if Shurmur gets Barkley involved in both the run and pass game and helps protect Jones.

That is the key to the game IMO.
RE: We have a few players playing tonight that didn;t play in the game 1  
gmenatlarge : 11/4/2019 12:47 pm : link
In comment 14660492 Rjanyg said:
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1. Jones
2. Tate
3. Williams
4. Buchanon

I am not sure how much of a difference they will make but it has to be an improvement. Baker is a better player since that game no doubt. This game will come down to executing a game plan on offense. You want to score but you also want to keep it away from Dallas. Let's see if Shurmur gets Barkley involved in both the run and pass game and helps protect Jones.

That is the key to the game IMO.


Yeah, maybe Shurmur will run SB up the gut for two on first down like he did against Snacks repeatedly in the Lions game, BRILLIANT!!!!!
Sooooooo  
Anakim : 11/4/2019 12:56 pm : link
Are we activating Beal?
RE: Sooooooo  
Rflairr : 11/4/2019 1:02 pm : link
In comment 14660513 Anakim said:
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Are we activating Beal?


They should. And release Tanney or Haley
Haley..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/4/2019 1:24 pm : link
has a place on this team. He's most likely our surest tackler.
RE: Haley..  
BillKo : 11/4/2019 1:41 pm : link
In comment 14660579 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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has a place on this team. He's most likely our surest tackler.


Yeah, he's not the best corner but he's shown he can play.......not a guy to be discarded at this time.
Bar is very LOW  
Thegratefulhead : 11/4/2019 1:42 pm : link
I just want Dallas make it look difficult to convert 3rd and 17 against us. A perfect pass or something, not the guy is so open you could pass it to him underhanded and lobbed and still complete the pass.

On offense I would like Barkley to touch the ball at least 30 times. Don't care how, but that guy should have the ball. No turnovers...none. Limit penalties PLEASE.
not sure if everyone saw it....  
BillKo : 11/4/2019 1:45 pm : link
....but on the Giants.com they had a photo gallery of games going back versus the Cowboys - said to be rarely seen - and some were very cool.

Check it out if that's your thing. One of Giants Stadium in 1976 with the NY skyline - black and white - was really neat.
RE: not sure if everyone saw it....  
Thegratefulhead : 11/4/2019 1:46 pm : link
In comment 14660622 BillKo said:
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....but on the Giants.com they had a photo gallery of games going back versus the Cowboys - said to be rarely seen - and some were very cool.

Check it out if that's your thing. One of Giants Stadium in 1976 with the NY skyline - black and white - was really neat.
TY will check that out.
linky....  
BillKo : 11/4/2019 1:46 pm : link
https://www.giants.com/photos/through-the-years-giants-vs-cowboys-rivalry#6f1919c6-1800-42a8-aafc-382232e83cfc
No  
Toth029 : 11/4/2019 1:51 pm : link
KVE. Time to take advantage and spread Engram in the slot or wide.
My hope is that the secondary tightens up.  
Torrag : 11/4/2019 2:09 pm : link
Hope is all we have. We haven't changed anything to expect a different result. Haley trails receivers by two yards or more consistently. Bethea and Thomas have no footspeed to help the deep boundary or run with players crossing. Chandler and Hamilton are the walking embodiment of the term JAG.

If the definition of insanity is doing the same things yet expecting a different result then this coaching staff is crazy or stupid(more likely the latter). They've failed at nearly every opportunity to alter the personnel in situations where the results have been negative. That specifically applies to the DB's as I've discussed here and halapio at OC.
'Haley has a place on this team. He's most likely our surest tackler'  
Torrag : 11/4/2019 2:19 pm : link
Advanced stats show him yielding an 80.6% completion rate for 11.7 Y/A. He's God awful. His primary job is as a DB. To cover receivers. He simply can't do it. He trails receivers by two yards or more consistently. He has 0 passes defended in over 30 targets. He's our worst defender in 3rd down situations.


I swear when people post stuff like this I want to break things. Yes, he can tackle but if he can't cover who gives a shit. That's his primary responsibility and he can't do it!
I can't stand  
HoustonGiant : 11/4/2019 2:43 pm : link
Booger
RE: 'Haley has a place on this team. He's most likely our surest tackler'  
Giantz_comeback : 11/4/2019 2:49 pm : link
In comment 14660699 Torrag said:
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Advanced stats show him yielding an 80.6% completion rate for 11.7 Y/A. He's God awful. His primary job is as a DB. To cover receivers. He simply can't do it. He trails receivers by two yards or more consistently. He has 0 passes defended in over 30 targets. He's our worst defender in 3rd down situations.


I swear when people post stuff like this I want to break things. Yes, he can tackle but if he can't cover who gives a shit. That's his primary responsibility and he can't do it!


Lol. Seriously.
Pessimistic is probably an understatement on MNF  
kdog77 : 11/4/2019 2:55 pm : link
This Giants team has been really tough to watch for past 4 weeks and it seems like they are going nowhere for 3rd year in a row. As much as I hate to admit it the Cowboys are more talented at nearly every position on the roster and should win this going away. Giants keeping it close into the 4th quarter would be nice, but I expect the route to be on by half-time. Would love to be wrong.

Cowboys 38 - Giants 17.
Guys, this is the Cowboys ! This is the team that always finds a way  
Ivan15 : 11/4/2019 2:59 pm : link
To miss the playoffs or get knocked out in the first round. They can be beaten, often by themselves.

Giants need to keep it close, realize they can compete, and finish strong.
Man-for-man man we are just not in their category.  
BillT : 11/4/2019 3:14 pm : link
We have a ways to go to get the amount of talent on the field as they do. I’m just looking to see improvements where we have decent players.
RE: 'Haley has a place on this team. He's most likely our surest tackler'  
BillKo : 11/4/2019 3:18 pm : link
In comment 14660699 Torrag said:
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Advanced stats show him yielding an 80.6% completion rate for 11.7 Y/A. He's God awful. His primary job is as a DB. To cover receivers. He simply can't do it. He trails receivers by two yards or more consistently. He has 0 passes defended in over 30 targets. He's our worst defender in 3rd down situations.


I swear when people post stuff like this I want to break things. Yes, he can tackle but if he can't cover who gives a shit. That's his primary responsibility and he can't do it!


Although he is playing the toughest position (slot) with pretty much zero safety help (as the other corners are too).

I expect this will be the scene tonight  
micky : 11/4/2019 3:30 pm : link
As the Stadium is mostly cowboy fans and celebrating this all night...

don't expect a win  
bc4life : 11/4/2019 3:38 pm : link
expect them to compete and play better than their first meeting (would be hard to play worse)
Giants  
stretch234 : 11/4/2019 3:49 pm : link
Can the Giants stop Dallas on 3rd down. They really have not stopped anyone thus far on 3rd down. is tonight going to be different - doubtful.

See them doing a good job against the run, but Dak having all day to throw, like he usually has against this team.

Dallas will score 5 times and they will all be TD's - the Giants are not scoring 5 TD's

Biggest thing I want to see is Jones against a good defense and good defensive coaches

we've won 10 games in 3 years  
Jints in Carolina : 11/4/2019 3:56 pm : link
I don't think we're making it 11 tonight.
Fuck Dallas...  
GiantFanInTX : 11/4/2019 3:59 pm : link
There is no team in all of sports that I despise more than the Dallas Cowboys and their fans. I'd rather see Philly win than Dallas. That's how much I hate them...
I want  
Photoguy : 11/4/2019 4:02 pm : link
a win, just to shut some of you guys up for a change.
RE: Giants  
Reale01 : 11/4/2019 4:06 pm : link
In comment 14660844 stretch234 said:
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Can the Giants stop Dallas on 3rd down. They really have not stopped anyone thus far on 3rd down. is tonight going to be different - doubtful.

See them doing a good job against the run, but Dak having all day to throw, like he usually has against this team.

Dallas will score 5 times and they will all be TD's - the Giants are not scoring 5 TD's


Biggest thing I want to see is Jones against a good defense and good defensive coaches



Distilling it to basics

Defense

Get off the field on third down
Prevent a series of long drives

Offense

Convert third downs
Score TDs in Red Zone
No turnovers



RE: I want  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/4/2019 4:47 pm : link
In comment 14660866 Photoguy said:
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a win, just to shut some of you guys up for a change.


Youd think after a while you might start thinking the people who you want to shut up might have a point.

RE: Bar is very LOW  
gmenatlarge : 11/4/2019 5:01 pm : link
In comment 14660617 Thegratefulhead said:
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I just want Dallas make it look difficult to convert 3rd and 17 against us. A perfect pass or something, not the guy is so open you could pass it to him underhanded and lobbed and still complete the pass.

On offense I would like Barkley to touch the ball at least 30 times. Don't care how, but that guy should have the ball. No turnovers...none. Limit penalties PLEASE.


You need to tell the moron PS that it’s OK to run the ball two times in a row! I don’t think I have ever seen someone call plays with LESS of a feel for the game. When they do run a successful play it’s like they don’t know what the fuck to do next, mind-boggling!
Eventually the worm will turn  
EJJ : 11/4/2019 5:13 pm : link
Why not tonight? Remember Dallas lost 3 in a row. Remember the mighty Jets beat the almighty Boys a few weeks ago ,in this very stadium.
Tonight might just be the night! Danny dropping dimes!
Saquon taking the rock to the house!
The Giant D Yes the Giants D shutting down the Cowboy run game with our new improved D line.
You gotta believe!!
Seems kind of quite around here for a game that can define our season  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/4/2019 5:15 pm : link
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RE: Fuck Dallas...  
NYG07 : 11/4/2019 5:30 pm : link
In comment 14660862 GiantFanInTX said:
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There is no team in all of sports that I despise more than the Dallas Cowboys and their fans. I'd rather see Philly win than Dallas. That's how much I hate them...


+1. If we only win one more game the rest of the year I want it to be this one. I am so sick of losing to these assholes. I want to see Shurmur take some chances tonight. Just win.
RE: RE: Fuck Dallas...  
bceagle05 : 11/4/2019 5:44 pm : link
In comment 14660975 NYG07 said:
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+1. If we only win one more game the rest of the year I want it to be this one. I am so sick of losing to these assholes. I want to see Shurmur take some chances tonight. Just win.

Same here. They embarrassed us in Week 1 - play with an edge tonight. If we come out and meekly lose by 17+ points I'll be furious, and I'm mostly numb to the ineptitude by now. Shurmur needs to show a fucking pulse or pack his bags.
RE: Seems kind of quite around here for a game that can define our season  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/4/2019 5:50 pm : link
In comment 14660955 Zeke's Alibi said:
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How would this game define their season? They're 2-6.
RE: I expect this will be the scene tonight  
Greg from LI : 11/4/2019 5:57 pm : link
In comment 14660819 micky said:
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As the Stadium is mostly cowboy fans and celebrating this all night...



Ah yes, the stupidest celebration in NFL history
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/4/2019 5:57 pm : link
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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Giants will have six healthy scratches (to join Sterling Shepard who is inactive with a concussion). QB Alex Tanney, OL Eric Smith, OL Chad Slade, DL RJ McIntosh, LB Chris Peace and LB Devante Downs in the inactive warmup group.
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GiantEgo : 11/4/2019 6:08 pm : link
Assuming the Giants lose tonight it would setup a death match between Shurmur and Gase the loser facing unemployment. Mara really hates losing to the Jets and Gase appears to be on thin ice.
RE: 'Haley has a place on this team. He's most likely our surest tackler'  
WillVAB : 11/4/2019 6:21 pm : link
In comment 14660699 Torrag said:
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Advanced stats show him yielding an 80.6% completion rate for 11.7 Y/A. He's God awful. His primary job is as a DB. To cover receivers. He simply can't do it. He trails receivers by two yards or more consistently. He has 0 passes defended in over 30 targets. He's our worst defender in 3rd down situations.


I swear when people post stuff like this I want to break things. Yes, he can tackle but if he can't cover who gives a shit. That's his primary responsibility and he can't do it!


This. He has a fucking bulls eye on his back every week.

Slot receivers torch the Giants every single week. The one week they didn’t (redskins) Keenum overthrew the slot receiver twice for two long TDs.
RE: RE: 'Haley has a place on this team. He's most likely our surest tackler'  
Giantz_comeback : 11/4/2019 6:26 pm : link
In comment 14660808 BillKo said:
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In comment 14660699 Torrag said:


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Advanced stats show him yielding an 80.6% completion rate for 11.7 Y/A. He's God awful. His primary job is as a DB. To cover receivers. He simply can't do it. He trails receivers by two yards or more consistently. He has 0 passes defended in over 30 targets. He's our worst defender in 3rd down situations.


I swear when people post stuff like this I want to break things. Yes, he can tackle but if he can't cover who gives a shit. That's his primary responsibility and he can't do it!



Although he is playing the toughest position (slot) with pretty much zero safety help (as the other corners are too).


It's not like their is tight coverage and the QB is just dropping dimes

He is getting absolutely torched. And consistently.
RE: RE: Seems kind of quite around here for a game that can define our season  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/4/2019 6:29 pm : link
In comment 14660992 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 14660955 Zeke's Alibi said:


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How would this game define their season? They're 2-6.


Because if they win tonight, they have the Jets and Bears. You never know, the NFL is a weird fucking place, and we have Eagles twice and that offense looks like doodoo without him.
Without Desean.  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/4/2019 6:30 pm : link
The Bears also suck now without that LB, they can't stop the run.
RE: RE: 'Haley has a place on this team. He's most likely our surest tackler'  
Giantz_comeback : 11/4/2019 6:31 pm : link
In comment 14661025 WillVAB said:
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In comment 14660699 Torrag said:


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Advanced stats show him yielding an 80.6% completion rate for 11.7 Y/A. He's God awful. His primary job is as a DB. To cover receivers. He simply can't do it. He trails receivers by two yards or more consistently. He has 0 passes defended in over 30 targets. He's our worst defender in 3rd down situations.


I swear when people post stuff like this I want to break things. Yes, he can tackle but if he can't cover who gives a shit. That's his primary responsibility and he can't do it!



This. He has a fucking bulls eye on his back every week.

Slot receivers torch the Giants every single week. The one week they didn’t (redskins) Keenum overthrew the slot receiver twice for two long TDs.


Yup. Its insanely bad.
Also , for a more likely take, this game is pretty much a mini  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/4/2019 6:31 pm : link
Superbowl for us. DJ's first Monday night game, first Cowboy game, and first primetime game not in ridiculous weather.
Our safeties should play well up towards LOS  
Jimmy Googs : 11/4/2019 6:37 pm : link
it’s not like having them deep does anything good anyway...
Michael Gallup is probably going to torch this defense.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/4/2019 6:45 pm : link
and oh, 7 sacks allowed by Solder this year. I'm sure there wont be more of that tonight.
Excited  
mpinmaine : 11/4/2019 6:53 pm : link
which is nice to always feel that way as I have for years,
Go Giants!
Can't recall last time I was so un-excited about watching...  
M.S. : 11/4/2019 6:53 pm : link

...a Giants football game.

And I'm talking about well over half a century of watching (and being at) their games.

This is a bad football team overseen by an even worse coach.

As I've said in a previous thread  
Festina Lente : 11/4/2019 6:57 pm : link
I Have never felt more certain of a defeat against the Cowboys. I hope I am wrong of course, but I am anticipating an absolute whooping and I think it could get embarrassing.

Two hopes for this game: 1) I hope everyone comes out healthy and 2) that DJ doesn't look awful
RE: Seems kind of quite around here for a game that can define our season  
RDJR : 11/4/2019 6:58 pm : link
In comment 14660955 Zeke's Alibi said:
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I suspect our season has already been defined.
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