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This PI challenge is an embarrassment for the league

BestFeature : 11/4/2019 10:53 pm
Why the fuck is that rule even there? They make a rule and don't enforce it. Basically causing wasted timeouts for coaches. This is fucking bush league honestly. If a rule is not going to be ever imposed get it the fuck out of there.
The refs are boycotting the rule.  
Jerz44 : 11/4/2019 10:54 pm : link
How is that not a bigger sports story
Itís bad  
odunde : 11/4/2019 10:54 pm : link
Makes VAR in the prem league look competent. Which is impressive.
Itís bs  
djm : 11/4/2019 10:54 pm : link
But shurmur has to know better at this point. Wasnít worth the low % gamble.
Iím baffled too  
MetsAreBack : 11/4/2019 10:54 pm : link
But at the same time this is well known by now so not sure why Shurmur challenged
Yeah  
Jersey Heel : 11/4/2019 10:55 pm : link
When the commentators acknowledge that itís a foul, but that itís still going to stand, thereís a problem.
And then they naturally call a phantom  
MetsAreBack : 11/4/2019 10:59 pm : link
Foul on baker to extend a drive. As fans this is a tough watch - zebras continue to suck the life out of this sport
Is Shurmur leading the league in PI challenges?  
KentGraham : 11/4/2019 10:59 pm : link
Just a waste of time outs and he continues to try it every other week.
just got worse  
wigs in nyc : 11/4/2019 11:00 pm : link
.
The only thing dumber  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/4/2019 11:02 pm : link
Is continuing to waste challenges instead of understand how the rule is being enforced.
How..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/4/2019 11:03 pm : link
can there be any fairness when a rule is blatantly ignored and unevenly applied?
In this case, itís not the PI rule ....  
Spider56 : 11/4/2019 11:06 pm : link
Itís the Dallas factor.
Iím still with Shurmur.  
Beezer : 11/4/2019 11:06 pm : link
I say you still need to challenge to expose the corrupt bullshit.
keep challenging  
bc4life : 11/4/2019 11:07 pm : link
then in the off season show how stupid this rule is.

it was only done to placate Sean Payton for getting screwed in the NFC Championship.
The BS call on Baker  
Breeze_94 : 11/4/2019 11:13 pm : link
on 3rd down, instead of getting off the field, Dallas drive gets extended and they put the game away with a TD.

The fact that a PI was called on that but not on the Engram play, and the fact that if both plays were challenged neither would be overturned, shows how broken the PI rule and NFL officiating is.

Al Riveron needs to go.
RE: Iím still with Shurmur.  
Steve in ATL : 11/4/2019 11:14 pm : link
In comment 14663147 Beezer said:
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I say you still need to challenge to expose the corrupt bullshit.


The season is lost. I sort of like him challenging to show up the rule.
RE: Iím still with Shurmur.  
Bill L : 11/4/2019 11:14 pm : link
In comment 14663147 Beezer said:
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I say you still need to challenge to expose the corrupt bullshit.

100%
RE: Iím still with Shurmur.  
lawguy9801 : 11/4/2019 11:15 pm : link
In comment 14663147 Beezer said:
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I say you still need to challenge to expose the corrupt bullshit.


I agree totally.
RE: The BS call on Baker  
lawguy9801 : 11/4/2019 11:16 pm : link
In comment 14663290 Breeze_94 said:
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on 3rd down, instead of getting off the field, Dallas drive gets extended and they put the game away with a TD.

The fact that a PI was called on that but not on the Engram play, and the fact that if both plays were challenged neither would be overturned, shows how broken the PI rule and NFL officiating is.

Al Riveron needs to go.


Agree here as well.
It is  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/4/2019 11:18 pm : link
And EVERYONE knows it.
How about the fumble by Daniel Jones?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/4/2019 11:33 pm : link
Didn't they change the rule so that a slide OR a dive constitutes giving oneself up and the play is automatically dead?
Fans need to demand new NFL leadership  
Sneakers O'toole : 11/4/2019 11:34 pm : link
Don't expect a good product until that change happens.
RE: keep challenging  
Bramton1 : 11/4/2019 11:36 pm : link
In comment 14663167 bc4life said:
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then in the off season show how stupid this rule is.

it was only done to placate Sean Payton for getting screwed in the NFC Championship.


I'm not sure that the officials would have overturned that ruling. "The ruling on the field stands."

Yet somehow we got hit with a DPI on review against Buffalo.
The NFL regaridng PI is a digrace  
giantstock : 11/4/2019 11:38 pm : link
That was such an obvious PI call and to hear the MNF commentator basically lie and say it was close-- bullshit it wasn't close. They just aren't going to call it.

Then the complete horseshit call on Baker.

There really is nothing you can count on for the PI call. It's just pray that the incompetent refs make a call that goes your way. No rhyme or reason.

I realize you aren't getting these calls but it's such horseshit that it's so obvious that is is PI and to hear that asshole on ESPN try to justify it when it goes against my team is freaking frustrating. Okay he's not an asshole -- I'm just pissed. We got screwed. Not winning anyways but those two calls are just a freaking joke.
RE: How..  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/4/2019 11:42 pm : link
In comment 14663072 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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can there be any fairness when a rule is blatantly ignored and unevenly applied?


This why I kind of understand why he thRew it, if you look league wide, they'll overturn one you'd never thought they would. The NFL has a major fucking problem on their hands and if you listen to independent media they can't stop talking about. Pat McAfee is going to go ham tomorrow and he has said he has friends in the league telling him to keep up the good fight.

The networks don't talk about it but they are going to learn, like real politics, they can't control the narrative anymore through media. I didn't even really give a shit about this game until this shit went down in a span of 5 minutes, its turning people off and I'm not the only onel. The only reason it hasn't died is because NFL is a religion, but if they keep touching little kids they'll get tuned out too.
Somebody else made this observation...  
Jim in Tampa : 11/4/2019 11:45 pm : link
But this PI challenge rule was implemented for one reason and one reason only. To save the NFL from another embarassing situation like the NO v Rams NFC Conference Championship game.

All other obvious PI calls (or non calls) are simply not going to be reversed.
By now  
Daniel in MI : 11/5/2019 12:20 am : link
its pretty clear they don't want to re-litigate every PI.

This is only for obvious, game changing, flagrant fouls. Basically, the call will stand 99% of the time unless it is totally, utterly, clearly a PI AND it is happening at some crucial situation, not a run of the mill situation.

Like it or hate it, that's how they have decided to use it for the last several weeks since about week 2 (just in time to dick us against the Bills, then move on to change the enforcement.)
RE: And then they naturally call a phantom  
jcn56 : 11/5/2019 12:22 am : link
In comment 14663011 MetsAreBack said:
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Foul on baker to extend a drive. As fans this is a tough watch - zebras continue to suck the life out of this sport


The last time he challenged, the refs basically made it up after the review with a no-call on what was an obvious PI by the Giants D. So when I saw the flag come out this time, I kind of figured maybe it was an attempt to get the refs to owe him one.

And then they flagged Baker, and I figured his line of credit must have run out.
RE: RE: And then they naturally call a phantom  
giants#1 : 11/5/2019 7:00 am : link
In comment 14663926 jcn56 said:
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In comment 14663011 MetsAreBack said:


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Foul on baker to extend a drive. As fans this is a tough watch - zebras continue to suck the life out of this sport



The last time he challenged, the refs basically made it up after the review with a no-call on what was an obvious PI by the Giants D. So when I saw the flag come out this time, I kind of figured maybe it was an attempt to get the refs to owe him one.

And then they flagged Baker, and I figured his line of credit must have run out.


Jerry Jones has deeper pockets.
RE: By now  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/5/2019 8:20 am : link
In comment 14663917 Daniel in MI said:
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its pretty clear they don't want to re-litigate every PI.

This is only for obvious, game changing, flagrant fouls. Basically, the call will stand 99% of the time unless it is totally, utterly, clearly a PI AND it is happening at some crucial situation, not a run of the mill situation.

Like it or hate it, that's how they have decided to use it for the last several weeks since about week 2 (just in time to dick us against the Bills, then move on to change the enforcement.)


But the problem is - we have an example to point to on Sunday that refutes this. They called a bullshit OPI on a play that gained 30 yards and reversed it on replay.

What my contention is - if they reverse ANY calls, then the Giants have gotten hosed multiple times because you won't see any more blatant of a foul than the play against the Pats. Last night's non-PI may have taken a TD off the board, while the called PI that wasn't a foul led directly to a TD.

what started out as a way to mitigate incompetence is being used for systematic cheating. Replay exists for one reason only - to get bad calls correct - you can't just apply the standards differently. It games the system.
...  
christian : 11/5/2019 8:25 am : link
Replaying a judgement call is silly. The refs aren't buying it.

The league will not address the real issue, the 27 things the official is focusing on during a catch.
Putting.  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/5/2019 8:27 am : link
the rule in place to begin with is a sham.

But once it is in place - either use it correctly or get rid of it immediately.

You can't use a system that is supposed to right bad calls to do it inconsistently. The irony is - a system that is supposed to make things cut and dried is as filled with judgment as the bad calls themselves.
RE: Somebody else made this observation...  
BestFeature : 11/5/2019 11:30 am : link
In comment 14663716 Jim in Tampa said:
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But this PI challenge rule was implemented for one reason and one reason only. To save the NFL from another embarassing situation like the NO v Rams NFC Conference Championship game.

All other obvious PI calls (or non calls) are simply not going to be reversed.


But that's not how this works. It's binary, either call gets overturned or it doesn't. Mind you the standard is always supposed to be irrefutable video evidence. But the % here clearly shows that it goes far beyond that. And on top of that timeouts are extremely valuable resources in this league, particularly in the 2nd half. You can't have a special set of circumstances for this rule and screw every fucking coach that challenges.
Itís not fair  
Azul Grande : 11/5/2019 11:38 am : link
Itís not fair to coaches to give them a tool called a PI challenge and then not enforce it. They are in a lose-lose situation, because we can all see clear as day pass interference, and if the coach does not challenge it people would rightly be mad, but if you are never overturning it means you are just screwing with coachesí and fansí heads.

I expect this rule will be gone fairly soon, or be exclusively booth review for the extraordinarily egregious instances.

All this said, I actually think challenging the PI that was called on us a few plays later looked like a better challenge than challenging the PI not called on Dallas.
Challenging defensive PI  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/5/2019 11:50 am : link
seems like more of a no-win situation. If there is ANY contact, and both Baker and Cooper were hand fighting, they won't overturn it.

Ironically enough, the one they did overturn against us in the Buffalo game involved far less contact than challenges we've lost. It's completely subjective and biased. If it wasn't, egregious calls would be changed.
Those were two HUGE  
section125 : 11/5/2019 12:11 pm : link
blown calls. 10-14 point swing, plus momentum. Really sad when the ref in the booth said Engram's was clear PI by going through the player, then had to backtrack his enthusiasm. You could hear him say it was clear PI, then slowly say, well it won't meet the egregious criteria. Not sure if the league was in his ear, but you could hear him back down.
Then they Baker DPI they all said was a blown call.

There are times it is worth the $50k to call out the League Officials. And Mara should be the guy to do it. He is on the Competition Committee, no?
Yeah, it's bad.  
Mad Mike : 11/5/2019 12:16 pm : link
I thought the idea behind the rule change was dumb, and now the enforcement just compounds it. Once coaches get the message (I thought Shurmur had learned his lesson when he didn't challenge last week, but then, for some reason, he tried again last night), I guess it won't be a big deal. They'll stop challenging so the stupid rule won't really be exposed. But for the time being, it's very frustrating - clearly bad calls being challenged, but left unchanged. The NFL really can't figure out how to officiate itself.
It was a knee jerk reaction to the Saints playoff game  
Dave in PA : 11/5/2019 12:16 pm : link
Just another layer of disjointed game play and incorrectly evaluated rulings. Just get rid of it if you arenít going to overturn bluntly obvious PI calls upon review
.  
Banks : 11/5/2019 12:26 pm : link
There shouldn't be degrees of PI. There shouldn't be any subjectivity. It's PI or it's not. This is a sham. Then they add another level of subjectivity by considering how crucial it is to the game. Great. Engram getting mauled ridiculously early with 12 min left in the 4th quarter in a 1 score game fails to be egregious enough and crucial enough in their minds. The media has failed to skewer the NFL like it should on this rule. They should be embarrassed loudly and often
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