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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/4/2019 11:06 pm
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We suck again  
Big Daddy : 11/4/2019 11:43 pm : link
how do you win a game when our team scores field goals and other team scores touchdowns. Fired the head coach and his DC they both suck!!!!
ďWhat do we do?...Ē ďWe get ready to play the Jets,  
RDJR : 11/4/2019 11:44 pm : link
thatís what we do...Ē Pat Shurmur.
RE: Can only hope this is a loss that motivates Mara to take action  
cokeduplt : 11/4/2019 11:45 pm : link
In comment 14663526 Oscar said:
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Can live with all of this if it leads to new leadership. Tired of this shit.


I agree but lest not forget last time he took action this is what we got
We may finish with a worse record than last season  
santacruzom : 11/4/2019 11:47 pm : link
But actually have a later draft pick. AMD Shurmur and Gettleman will cite that as progress: "Last year we were picking 6th and now we are picking 8th... that right there tells you we've moved up two spots in the pecking order."
RE: RE: any one else starting to worry about baker?  
viggie : 11/4/2019 11:47 pm : link
In comment 14663695 EricJ said:
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In comment 14663659 viggie said:


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Not the coverage but being in zone when everyone else was in man at this point of the season ?



Been saying this for weeks. I think the issue is Betcher. Too many players are confused back there. One play it is Baker. Another play it is someone else.
i thought at the beginning of the season it was odd playing a man corner in zone all the time. Kid was really good at Georgia . I think his confidence was shot. They really need to simplify this D.
I still come to BBI because itís habit.  
Crispino : 11/4/2019 11:48 pm : link
But Iím really done as a fan of this team for the foreseeable future. The roster hasnít gotten any better in a decade, the coaching staff and front office are a mess, the majority of the players clearly donít care. I lived through the really lean times with this team. We are there again. Time for somebody to fly a banner over the stadium again. Embarrass the owners into getting a credible football person to run the organization. The Maras and Tisches canít do it.

Theyíve lost me and countless others at this point. I used to live and die with every game, but not anymore. I look for excuses to find something better to do because the outcome of these games is a foregone conclusion.

I had season tickets for over thirty years, gave them up when they double dipped on the PSLís, and now I donít regret it one bit. Show us some semblance of caring and fire this coaching staff and some veterans like Jenkins, who cares less than I do. Do it tomorrow. Show some balls for once. I donít want to hear ď Weíll assess the coaching situation after the season.Ē

Fire everyone, lose out and start the rebuild again with the number one or two pick. Please.
Shumar and DC suck  
Big Daddy : 11/4/2019 11:48 pm : link
Both of these clowns need to get fires tommorow and lets move on with other coaches. We should have hire Spags.
RE: Jets and Dolphins are licking their chops  
santacruzom : 11/4/2019 11:49 pm : link
In comment 14663680 M.S. said:
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Giants lack

Leadership
Coaching
Pass Rush
Offensive Line
Smarts

Did I leave out anything?

We are definitely drafting Top 5 and easily could be Top 3. Even the very first pick is in reach with a laughing stock franchise like this.


Unfortunately that may not be true! The Giants have a lot of company as a bereft team this year.
RE: RE: I know they are both young  
KeoweeFan : 11/4/2019 11:50 pm : link
In comment 14663677 cokeduplt said:
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But Ballantine looks like a better prospect than Baker. Bigger, stronger, faster. Hope he gets more pt.



You forgot not brain dead!! Ah the fuck did they trade up for this guy

Bettcher is clearly invested in Baker; his college record and then having traded up.
Given that, his dilemma now that the season is lost is whether to let him play through his rookie faults (as Arcosi said "never give up on talent") or take him off the starting team (for Beal to see what he has there)?
Ballentine showed real promise.
RE: ďWhat do we do?...Ē ďWe get ready to play the Jets,  
cokeduplt : 11/4/2019 11:50 pm : link
In comment 14663706 RDJR said:
[quote] thatís what we do...Ē Pat Shurmur

Fire him now itís too much to take
RE: RE: Should not blame Jones  
AndyMilligan : 11/4/2019 11:52 pm : link
In comment 14663572 PatersonPlank said:
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On that fumble.



After every fumble we are told by some not to blame him. Its like the Star Wars scene, "These are not the droid you are looking for". He needs to stop it.


agree with you PP
No more rebuild.  
Gmen703 : 11/4/2019 11:54 pm : link
This is full on panic mode. DG's OL (his hand picked hog mollies) and hand selected DL aren't getting it done (to be fair I would blame the LBs more, which are all from DG). At what point do we fire the GM? The HC is already a given after a 3 to 5 win season.
RE: I blame the cat  
DCGMan : 11/4/2019 11:55 pm : link
In comment 14663599 Chocco said:
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How the fuck does a cat get on the field anyway


I was impressed with him getting separation. Sign him.
I don't ever want to hear the idiotic phrase "hog mollies"  
Greg from LI : 11/4/2019 11:55 pm : link
ever emanate from Gettleman's smug face again. You took a terrible OL and made it a somehow even-worse OL.
Crispino  
Bill2 : 11/4/2019 11:55 pm : link
I hear you
RE: I am a fool  
Darth Paul : 11/4/2019 11:59 pm : link
In comment 14663228 Steve in ATL said:
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to subject myself to this week after week.


I keep telling myself I'm not going to watch another game. My 15 and 11 year olds always want to watch and are interested. What am I supposed to do other than watch the game with them. I can't let them turn into Eagles or Cowboy fans because their dad was so frustrated he didn't want to be excited about the Giants.
This team does everything wrong.  
mittenedman : 11/5/2019 12:00 am : link
Offensively to throw Jones to the wolves vs. the Vikings, Patriots & again vs. the Cowboys D is unacceptable.

Defensively do they ever make a tackle without letting the ballcarrier go an extra 3/4/5 yards? It's maddening. When it's not a missed tackle, it's a blown coverage or a dumb penalty. A complete failure.

Even the special teams are breaking down with the kicking game a mess.
I just donít see  
lax counsel : 11/5/2019 12:02 am : link
How a cogent argument can be made that DG is doing a good job. I get that there wasnít a lot of talent on the roster when he took over, but all heís done is replace it with at best the same talent, but more realistically worse talent. That cannot be an excuse.

They still basically need an entire o line, wrs, and an entire defense. There is a large talent deficiency. Iím not even sure how you accurately judge Jones off this season. All said and done heís doing a pretty decent job with what he has surrounding him.

I just donít see how you give DG another year and allow him to spend all of this free agent money. He just hasnít shown that he can accurately judge talent.
DeAndre Baker really not impressing  
Dave in PA : 11/5/2019 12:02 am : link
Kid does not look like a first round talent so far. He makes big mistakes then starts celebrating and getting in Elliottís face after shoving him OOB at the end of the guy, getting all cocky. Dude blew a massive assignment for a back breaking game ending TD to Cooper. Shit the fuck up and play better or hopefully get sat on the bench
9 min to go  
joeinpa : 11/5/2019 12:03 am : link
Down 5, 3rd and 12 for Dallas. Giants have legit opportunity to get ball back done 1 score.

It was a place a lot of fans did not think could happen judging by the thread this afternoon about the game.

But a defense who continues to make ridiculous mistakes denied us the opportunity for an exciting ending.

Hard to understand how everyone but 1 player can be playing man while he plays zone.
You have to stick with DG  
Vanzetti : 11/5/2019 12:03 am : link
I agree with much of the criticism but a new GM is a new rebuild. Letís let DG finish what he started.

Last years draft is looking more average but this years is looking good.

Jones is s turnover machine. No team is winning with that. You just hope he gets better with ball security and learns to get rid of the ball when nothing is there. But the rest of his game is good.

So DG gets one more year at a minimum. Shuur should be fired. He is just not HC material


RE: RE: I blame the cat  
Bluesbreaker : 11/5/2019 12:06 am : link
In comment 14663658 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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How the fuck does a cat get on the field anyway



Apparently he ran right around Nate Solder.


Pretty funny have to admit !
RE: You have to stick with DG  
islander1 : 11/5/2019 12:06 am : link
In comment 14663826 Vanzetti said:
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I agree with much of the criticism but a new GM is a new rebuild. Letís let DG finish what he started.

Last years draft is looking more average but this years is looking good.

Jones is s turnover machine. No team is winning with that. You just hope he gets better with ball security and learns to get rid of the ball when nothing is there. But the rest of his game is good.

So DG gets one more year at a minimum. Shuur should be fired. He is just not HC material



Agreed. Shurmur needs to be fired, and Gettleman gets one more chance to hire a proper head coach.

His ability to restock the team has been pretty good through the draft. I honestly think these second year struggles for his first class have more to do with the shit coaching than talent regressing to the mean.
RE: 9 min to go  
Vanzetti : 11/5/2019 12:07 am : link
In comment 14663825 joeinpa said:
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Down 5, 3rd and 12 for Dallas. Giants have legit opportunity to get ball back done 1 score.

It was a place a lot of fans did not think could happen judging by the thread this afternoon about the game.

But a defense who continues to make ridiculous mistakes denied us the opportunity for an exciting ending.

Hard to understand how everyone but 1 player can be playing man while he plays zone.


Baker is a moron. Grabs Coopers jersey for no reason right in front of the ref. Had no effect on the play but they are going to call a pulled jersey. Then he is playing zone in man coverage,

He makes Eli Apple look like a genius
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RE: You have to stick with DG  
HomerJones45 : 11/5/2019 12:13 am : link
In comment 14663826 Vanzetti said:
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I agree with much of the criticism but a new GM is a new rebuild. Letís let DG finish what he started.

Last years draft is looking more average but this years is looking good.

Jones is s turnover machine. No team is winning with that. You just hope he gets better with ball security and learns to get rid of the ball when nothing is there. But the rest of his game is good.

So DG gets one more year at a minimum. Shuur should be fired. He is just not HC material

You assume a new GM would come in and pull a Gettleman and get rid of everyone. Not necessarily the case; a new GM would do a thorough evaluation and keep the players that can play. A new GM brings a new set of eyes and fresh perspective. The Giants need that.
RE: Cowboys deserved to win, but the non call and than BS call  
1giantblue : 11/5/2019 12:14 am : link
In comment 14663409 Zeke's Alibi said:
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comp,etely changed the trajectory of the game. Jesus christ. We got robbed from an exciting ending.


Completely agree with this!
HONESTLY, as bad as that was...  
Festina Lente : 11/5/2019 12:18 am : link
I expected it to be A LOT worse. I think Garrett is the only thing holding this Cowboys team back and I keep hoping that they will extend his contract. There are two very talented teams in this division and two absolute horror shows. It's going to be a brutal, Sisyphean task to get back to the top of the NFC East.
Next week's Giant-Jet game is the last for me...  
NYRiese : 11/5/2019 12:21 am : link
not spending any extra energy...better things to do.
RE: RE: any one else starting to worry about baker?  
OntheRoad : 11/5/2019 12:22 am : link
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I think the issue is Betcher. Too many players are confused back there.

If one or two players has a bad game, it's usually on them. When every player has a bad game and looks confused in the process, it has to be on the coaching.
Five minutes into the 4th quarter, we had a chance to win,  
CT Charlie : 11/5/2019 12:25 am : link
even though we were terrible in the red zone and got jobbed by the refs on a couple of game-changing plays. I'm not worried about the ugly end-of-game collapse, but I am worried about the horribly inconsistent offensive play-calling and the crushing, too-frequent brain cramps on D.
When does this sham of an ownership say ďEnough!Ē  
GiantBlue : 11/5/2019 12:25 am : link
The Cowboys and Eagles beat the hell out of us season after season!

The GM, coaches and most of these players must go.

They are horrible!

Jenkins the one armed whiffer
Solder and Remmers- The matadors
Bethea and those terrible angles
Ellison, Ogletree and Mayo

The list goes on and on!

RE: RE: I blame the cat  
Darth Paul : 11/5/2019 12:39 am : link
In comment 14663658 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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How the fuck does a cat get on the field anyway



Apparently he ran right around Nate Solder.


This made me laugh
honestly  
broadbandz : 11/5/2019 12:41 am : link
dont think this defense is bad if he started the year with ballentine on the outside and love starting free safety. Let Baker play the slot. I think both those guys are smart based on their college play and would have made more plays than Haley and Bethea.

Bettchers scheme really needs top flight linebackers to work and Ogletree was an awful trade.

No faith in the offense at all. Engram never shows up big in games when it matters. Tate is old.
RE: honestly  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/5/2019 12:42 am : link
In comment 14663979 broadbandz said:
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dont think this defense is bad if he started the year with ballentine on the outside and love starting free safety.


you think two rookies are the difference between being a bottom 5 defense and not?
I donít know if it really changed anything at all  
Bill L : 11/5/2019 12:43 am : link
but considering the game was close and decisions could have been made based on the score, you canít miss an extra point. EspecIally with a struggling offense. And extra especially in two separate games with the scores very close.
The hardest thing for me to watch during this game  
BlueLou'sBack : 11/5/2019 12:52 am : link
(ok aside from our defense in general, and Alec Ogletree in particular) is how utterly pedestrian Dallas looked. They are NOT a very good team really, and Prescott is not a very good QB. G-d I pray Jones pays Dak at a top 5 QB rate!

As for the Giants, I like the guys Gettleman has drafted pretty much. He hasn't done as well with his FA signings, obviously, but Markus Golden is IMO a keeper.

Jones will get there I think.
RE: RE: honestly  
broadbandz : 11/5/2019 12:55 am : link
In comment 14663982 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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dont think this defense is bad if he started the year with ballentine on the outside and love starting free safety.



you think two rookies are the difference between being a bottom 5 defense and not?


yes, Ballentine and Love will be good players. Compared to Haley who should be in the xfl and Bethea should have retired 5 years ago.
Opposing teams make adjustments  
LeftHook : 11/5/2019 1:02 am : link
The Giants don't. Flat out bad coaching, along with bad personnel. Down by 1 and at halftime.


Shurmur: 17-40-0 Winning PCT .298
RE: Opposing teams make adjustments  
LeftHook : 11/5/2019 1:13 am : link
In comment 14664018 LeftHook said:
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The Giants don't. Flat out bad coaching, along with bad personnel. Down by 1 and at halftime.


Shurmur: 17-41-0 Winning PCT .298
RE: RE: Opposing teams make adjustments  
LeftHook : 11/5/2019 1:16 am : link
In comment 14664037 LeftHook said:
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The Giants don't. Flat out bad coaching, along with bad personnel. Down by 1 and at halftime.


Shurmur: 17-41-0 Winning PCT .293

Jones isn't learning.  
bigbluescot : 11/5/2019 1:38 am : link
He'll not be a starter for long unless he does. Aside from some good mobility (which is largely offset by poor pocket awareness and absolute shit tier ball security) and accuracy I'm not sure I see much. He's slow at processing, has a horrible habit of standing still in the pocket patting the ball with no peripheral vision

But the ball security is killer. He's turning the ball over at an historic rate.
RE: RE: I blame the cat  
GiantsUA : 11/5/2019 6:15 am : link
In comment 14663658 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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How the fuck does a cat get on the field anyway



Apparently he ran right around Nate Solder.



Now that's humor - AAAA++++
17-41  
Rflairr : 11/5/2019 6:59 am : link
This guy is just a loser.
RE: We may finish with a worse record than last season  
gmenatlarge : 11/5/2019 7:33 am : link
In comment 14663725 santacruzom said:
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But actually have a later draft pick. AMD Shurmur and Gettleman will cite that as progress: "Last year we were picking 6th and now we are picking 8th... that right there tells you we've moved up two spots in the pecking order."


Did you hear PS halftime interview, he was actually happy with the team, think about it, they had two TOs and gave up a 9 point lead inside two minutes and he was OK with that, mind-numbing!
RE: You have to stick with DG  
gmenatlarge : 11/5/2019 7:35 am : link
In comment 14663826 Vanzetti said:
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I agree with much of the criticism but a new GM is a new rebuild. Letís let DG finish what he started.

Last years draft is looking more average but this years is looking good.

Jones is s turnover machine. No team is winning with that. You just hope he gets better with ball security and learns to get rid of the ball when nothing is there. But the rest of his game is good.

So DG gets one more year at a minimum. Shuur should be fired. He is just not HC material



Keeping DG and PS is just prolonging the agony rip the Band-Aid off and get rid of these two.
RE: Jones isn't learning.  
gmenatlarge : 11/5/2019 7:43 am : link
In comment 14664073 bigbluescot said:
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He'll not be a starter for long unless he does. Aside from some good mobility (which is largely offset by poor pocket awareness and absolute shit tier ball security) and accuracy I'm not sure I see much. He's slow at processing, has a horrible habit of standing still in the pocket patting the ball with no peripheral vision

But the ball security is killer. He's turning the ball over at an historic rate.


It makes it a little difficult to learn when you're taking huge hits from Lawrence, et al. IMO he was one of the few bright spots last night, but the TO situation has to improve.
RE: RE: I blame the cat  
AcidTest : 11/5/2019 9:04 am : link
In comment 14663780 DCGMan said:
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How the fuck does a cat get on the field anyway



I was impressed with him getting separation. Sign him.


Agreed. He was very elusive. We need him.
I see improvement in DJ's ball security  
JFIB : 11/5/2019 10:09 am : link
He's throwing balls away when nothing is there. He's getting the ball out faster and under extreme pressure. The guy really has no time in the pocket. The INT last night was really just a hail mary with seconds waning and he's just taking a shot there. The fumble was worse but still forgivable and in my opinion not necessarily indicative of a major flaw that cannot be fixed. The strip sacks are the real concern and he has cleaned that up as of late.
RE: RE: I blame the cat  
Darth Paul : 11/5/2019 11:27 am : link
In comment 14663658 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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How the fuck does a cat get on the field anyway



Apparently he ran right around Nate Solder.


Still made me laugh today.
Hey  
MtDizzle : 11/5/2019 12:28 pm : link
at least they BATTLED
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