There's no justifiable way you can bring him back. He's a proven loser. One of the losingest coaches in NFL history. What does that say about your organization that you would let this buffoon lead your team?
Should have shut it off after the first offensive play Â
Shurmur SUCKS .
Barkley is a complete waste in this offense
He is clueless in the red zone .
So now were again looking at draft picks
Yes and the Refs fucking suck as well .
He is a perennial loser . They have no identity
on offense and Belcher's defense looks lost out there
Sad to watch !
The Giants are irrelevant, empty, dull and lifeless. And worst of all I'm not 100% sure they care that this is the case.
This has been the reality for a while now and I guarantee you Mara will retain Shurmer and Gettleman and give his usual "everyone is on notice" BS that has now become a staple of Giants offseasons.
Everything is rotten with this franchise, everything. I honestly don't have any faith in Jones anymore. And I legit was hiw biggest defender. But he looked like a scared little boy today. Pathetic performance by him. Absolutely fucking pitiful. I don't care that he's a rookie. He looked like utter garbage.
I am worried he’s got the wrong coach and pile of shit around him. Everyone needs a good infrastructure. Critical offseason, real fork in the road moment for Mara. Doubt he’s up to it.
After every fumble we are told by some not to blame him. Its like the Star Wars scene, "These are not the droid you are looking for". He needs to stop it.
If jets and giants didnt show up on sunday. Both sets of owners need a fucking reality check. Why should anyone care on sunday in a game that usually involves some nice trash talk and bragging rights?
but gettleman is no better. HE should not get a pass for not improving the team in 2 years since hes been here .
Giving him a chance to spend all that money in Free agency is a disaster waiting to happen
Agree💯 Not enough is being made of the obvious mistakes by Gettleman. Like, hiring Pat Schurmur. There’s plenty of other dumb moves including the absolutely inexplicable trade for Williams. Just a terrible GM.
I thought we would get a good play caller at least Â
I didn’t know how Shurmur would be as a Head Coach but I was at least certain that he would be a great play caller. I thought he knew how to get the ball in to talented hands of his best players.
I was so very wrong about that.
You know who really showed up was our new DT jermaine Williams Â
We waved the white flag on the season when we started Jones. That makes it hard to evaluate what we really have. Teams are playing eight in the box. So our run blocking looks bad. He holds the ball too long, that means sacks. He fumbles like crazy. That put the defense in bad spots. He isn't the only problem but he makes it hard to see what the problems really are.
So please relax. This is going to last a while. Let's just hope he is learning and current mess (much of his making) will have a big payout.
If jets and giants didnt show up on sunday. Both sets of owners need a fucking reality check. Why should anyone care on sunday in a game that usually involves some nice trash talk and bragging rights?
Jets and giants fans. The players might as well not show up either and save us all the embarrassment
team has so many problems that never seem to be corrected, even partially. Bad OL, receivers who can't separate, no pass rush, LBs and safeties that are slow and take bad angles, and blown coverages.
But the biggest problem is the OL. We can't block anyone. Shurmur was right. "If you can't block them, nothing works."
We waved the white flag on the season when we started Jones. That makes it hard to evaluate what we really have. Teams are playing eight in the box. So our run blocking looks bad. He holds the ball too long, that means sacks. He fumbles like crazy. That put the defense in bad spots. He isn't the only problem but he makes it hard to see what the problems really are.
So please relax. This is going to last a while. Let's just hope he is learning and current mess (much of his making) will have a big payout.
Your takeaway is that Jones is the big problem? Seriously?
The roster is just as awful as the coaching staff Â
Gettleman decided to blow it up and start from scratch, something that a competent FO shouldn't have to do with the parity forced attrition/turnover of the NFL, and the players he's brought in via FA and the draft are every bit as bad if not worse than what he found.
The Cowboys opened up the game trying to give it away, and the Giants refused to take it.
Everything is rotten with this franchise, everything. I honestly don't have any faith in Jones anymore. And I legit was hiw biggest defender. But he looked like a scared little boy today. Pathetic performance by him. Absolutely fucking pitiful. I don't care that he's a rookie. He looked like utter garbage.
Oh yes... I think Mara is going to post the franchise for sale on Craigslist tomorrow.
We need to start screening people better before handing out IDs here on the website. A simple IQ test to weed out people like this would be a good start.
Not the coverage but being in zone when everyone else was in man at this point of the season ?
Been saying this for weeks. I think the issue is Betcher. Too many players are confused back there. One play it is Baker. Another play it is someone else.
But actually have a later draft pick. AMD Shurmur and Gettleman will cite that as progress: "Last year we were picking 6th and now we are picking 8th... that right there tells you we've moved up two spots in the pecking order."
RE: RE: any one else starting to worry about baker? Â
Not the coverage but being in zone when everyone else was in man at this point of the season ?
Been saying this for weeks. I think the issue is Betcher. Too many players are confused back there. One play it is Baker. Another play it is someone else.
i thought at the beginning of the season it was odd playing a man corner in zone all the time. Kid was really good at Georgia . I think his confidence was shot. They really need to simplify this D.
But I’m really done as a fan of this team for the foreseeable future. The roster hasn’t gotten any better in a decade, the coaching staff and front office are a mess, the majority of the players clearly don’t care. I lived through the really lean times with this team. We are there again. Time for somebody to fly a banner over the stadium again. Embarrass the owners into getting a credible football person to run the organization. The Maras and Tisches can’t do it.
They’ve lost me and countless others at this point. I used to live and die with every game, but not anymore. I look for excuses to find something better to do because the outcome of these games is a foregone conclusion.
I had season tickets for over thirty years, gave them up when they double dipped on the PSL’s, and now I don’t regret it one bit. Show us some semblance of caring and fire this coaching staff and some veterans like Jenkins, who cares less than I do. Do it tomorrow. Show some balls for once. I don’t want to hear “ We’ll assess the coaching situation after the season.”
Fire everyone, lose out and start the rebuild again with the number one or two pick. Please.
But Ballantine looks like a better prospect than Baker. Bigger, stronger, faster. Hope he gets more pt.
You forgot not brain dead!! Ah the fuck did they trade up for this guy
Bettcher is clearly invested in Baker; his college record and then having traded up.
Given that, his dilemma now that the season is lost is whether to let him play through his rookie faults (as Arcosi said "never give up on talent") or take him off the starting team (for Beal to see what he has there)?
Ballentine showed real promise.
RE: “What do we do?...” “We get ready to play the Jets, Â
After every fumble we are told by some not to blame him. Its like the Star Wars scene, "These are not the droid you are looking for". He needs to stop it.
This is full on panic mode. DG's OL (his hand picked hog mollies) and hand selected DL aren't getting it done (to be fair I would blame the LBs more, which are all from DG). At what point do we fire the GM? The HC is already a given after a 3 to 5 win season.
I keep telling myself I'm not going to watch another game. My 15 and 11 year olds always want to watch and are interested. What am I supposed to do other than watch the game with them. I can't let them turn into Eagles or Cowboy fans because their dad was so frustrated he didn't want to be excited about the Giants.
Offensively to throw Jones to the wolves vs. the Vikings, Patriots & again vs. the Cowboys D is unacceptable.
Defensively do they ever make a tackle without letting the ballcarrier go an extra 3/4/5 yards? It's maddening. When it's not a missed tackle, it's a blown coverage or a dumb penalty. A complete failure.
Even the special teams are breaking down with the kicking game a mess.
How a cogent argument can be made that DG is doing a good job. I get that there wasn’t a lot of talent on the roster when he took over, but all he’s done is replace it with at best the same talent, but more realistically worse talent. That cannot be an excuse.
They still basically need an entire o line, wrs, and an entire defense. There is a large talent deficiency. I’m not even sure how you accurately judge Jones off this season. All said and done he’s doing a pretty decent job with what he has surrounding him.
I just don’t see how you give DG another year and allow him to spend all of this free agent money. He just hasn’t shown that he can accurately judge talent.
Kid does not look like a first round talent so far. He makes big mistakes then starts celebrating and getting in Elliott’s face after shoving him OOB at the end of the guy, getting all cocky. Dude blew a massive assignment for a back breaking game ending TD to Cooper. Shit the fuck up and play better or hopefully get sat on the bench
I agree with much of the criticism but a new GM is a new rebuild. Let’s let DG finish what he started.
Last years draft is looking more average but this years is looking good.
Jones is s turnover machine. No team is winning with that. You just hope he gets better with ball security and learns to get rid of the ball when nothing is there. But the rest of his game is good.
So DG gets one more year at a minimum. Shuur should be fired. He is just not HC material
I agree with much of the criticism but a new GM is a new rebuild. Let’s let DG finish what he started.
Last years draft is looking more average but this years is looking good.
Jones is s turnover machine. No team is winning with that. You just hope he gets better with ball security and learns to get rid of the ball when nothing is there. But the rest of his game is good.
So DG gets one more year at a minimum. Shuur should be fired. He is just not HC material
Agreed. Shurmur needs to be fired, and Gettleman gets one more chance to hire a proper head coach.
His ability to restock the team has been pretty good through the draft. I honestly think these second year struggles for his first class have more to do with the shit coaching than talent regressing to the mean.
Down 5, 3rd and 12 for Dallas. Giants have legit opportunity to get ball back done 1 score.
It was a place a lot of fans did not think could happen judging by the thread this afternoon about the game.
But a defense who continues to make ridiculous mistakes denied us the opportunity for an exciting ending.
Hard to understand how everyone but 1 player can be playing man while he plays zone.
Baker is a moron. Grabs Coopers jersey for no reason right in front of the ref. Had no effect on the play but they are going to call a pulled jersey. Then he is playing zone in man coverage,
I agree with much of the criticism but a new GM is a new rebuild. Let’s let DG finish what he started.
Last years draft is looking more average but this years is looking good.
Jones is s turnover machine. No team is winning with that. You just hope he gets better with ball security and learns to get rid of the ball when nothing is there. But the rest of his game is good.
So DG gets one more year at a minimum. Shuur should be fired. He is just not HC material
You assume a new GM would come in and pull a Gettleman and get rid of everyone. Not necessarily the case; a new GM would do a thorough evaluation and keep the players that can play. A new GM brings a new set of eyes and fresh perspective. The Giants need that.
RE: Cowboys deserved to win, but the non call and than BS call Â
I expected it to be A LOT worse. I think Garrett is the only thing holding this Cowboys team back and I keep hoping that they will extend his contract. There are two very talented teams in this division and two absolute horror shows. It's going to be a brutal, Sisyphean task to get back to the top of the NFC East.
Next week's Giant-Jet game is the last for me... Â
I think the issue is Betcher. Too many players are confused back there.
If one or two players has a bad game, it's usually on them. When every player has a bad game and looks confused in the process, it has to be on the coaching.
Five minutes into the 4th quarter, we had a chance to win, Â
even though we were terrible in the red zone and got jobbed by the refs on a couple of game-changing plays. I'm not worried about the ugly end-of-game collapse, but I am worried about the horribly inconsistent offensive play-calling and the crushing, too-frequent brain cramps on D.
When does this sham of an ownership say “Enough!” Â
dont think this defense is bad if he started the year with ballentine on the outside and love starting free safety. Let Baker play the slot. I think both those guys are smart based on their college play and would have made more plays than Haley and Bethea.
Bettchers scheme really needs top flight linebackers to work and Ogletree was an awful trade.
No faith in the offense at all. Engram never shows up big in games when it matters. Tate is old.
but considering the game was close and decisions could have been made based on the score, you can’t miss an extra point. EspecIally with a struggling offense. And extra especially in two separate games with the scores very close.
The hardest thing for me to watch during this game Â
(ok aside from our defense in general, and Alec Ogletree in particular) is how utterly pedestrian Dallas looked. They are NOT a very good team really, and Prescott is not a very good QB. G-d I pray Jones pays Dak at a top 5 QB rate!
As for the Giants, I like the guys Gettleman has drafted pretty much. He hasn't done as well with his FA signings, obviously, but Markus Golden is IMO a keeper.
He'll not be a starter for long unless he does. Aside from some good mobility (which is largely offset by poor pocket awareness and absolute shit tier ball security) and accuracy I'm not sure I see much. He's slow at processing, has a horrible habit of standing still in the pocket patting the ball with no peripheral vision
But the ball security is killer. He's turning the ball over at an historic rate.
But actually have a later draft pick. AMD Shurmur and Gettleman will cite that as progress: "Last year we were picking 6th and now we are picking 8th... that right there tells you we've moved up two spots in the pecking order."
Did you hear PS halftime interview, he was actually happy with the team, think about it, they had two TOs and gave up a 9 point lead inside two minutes and he was OK with that, mind-numbing!
I agree with much of the criticism but a new GM is a new rebuild. Let’s let DG finish what he started.
Last years draft is looking more average but this years is looking good.
Jones is s turnover machine. No team is winning with that. You just hope he gets better with ball security and learns to get rid of the ball when nothing is there. But the rest of his game is good.
So DG gets one more year at a minimum. Shuur should be fired. He is just not HC material
Keeping DG and PS is just prolonging the agony rip the Band-Aid off and get rid of these two.
He'll not be a starter for long unless he does. Aside from some good mobility (which is largely offset by poor pocket awareness and absolute shit tier ball security) and accuracy I'm not sure I see much. He's slow at processing, has a horrible habit of standing still in the pocket patting the ball with no peripheral vision
But the ball security is killer. He's turning the ball over at an historic rate.
It makes it a little difficult to learn when you're taking huge hits from Lawrence, et al. IMO he was one of the few bright spots last night, but the TO situation has to improve.
He's throwing balls away when nothing is there. He's getting the ball out faster and under extreme pressure. The guy really has no time in the pocket. The INT last night was really just a hail mary with seconds waning and he's just taking a shot there. The fumble was worse but still forgivable and in my opinion not necessarily indicative of a major flaw that cannot be fixed. The strip sacks are the real concern and he has cleaned that up as of late.
How do we not even win one of these games by accident?
Jones will keep me engaged but I’m officially checked out. Lose out. Who cares anymore?
THIS
That argument applies when your head coach is John Harbaugh. It does not apply when your head coach is Pat Shurmur.
How do we not even win one of these games by accident?
Jones will keep me engaged but I’m officially checked out. Lose out. Who cares anymore?
We won the Tampa game by accident when they missed a chip shot FG at the end. This is really a 1-8 team.
Shurmur and his clown staff MUST GO. And if they pull miracle wins out of their asses, that might convince dopey Mara to keep them.
Gettleman can go, too, as far as I'm concerned. He drafts better than Reeseand Ross, but otherwise, he's replaceable crap, too.
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I really can’t take it anymore. Not sure what it is about this one in particular but this one broke me.
How do we not even win one of these games by accident?
Jones will keep me engaged but I’m officially checked out. Lose out. Who cares anymore?
We won the Tampa game by accident when they missed a chip shot FG at the end. This is really a 1-8 team.
Good point.
I wouldn’t be one but surprised if the Eagles get hot late in the season.
I get it....THIS WILL NEVER LEARN HOW TO WIN, IF THE COACHES DO NOT KNOW HOW TO WIN, which seems obvious...
That challenge call was such a LOSER move.... it was the wrong message to the team, at the worst time....a winning coach would never do.
I knew we lost right then and there
Baker looked ridiculous out there,
There's no justifiable way you can bring him back. He's a proven loser. One of the losingest coaches in NFL history. What does that say about your organization that you would let this buffoon lead your team?
I'm still waiting for 'culture' to somehow add to this team.
Barkley is a complete waste in this offense
He is clueless in the red zone .
So now were again looking at draft picks
Yes and the Refs fucking suck as well .
He is a perennial loser . They have no identity
on offense and Belcher's defense looks lost out there
Sad to watch !
not this team....poorly coached on both sides of the ball
how I describe this season - ( New Window )
This has been the reality for a while now and I guarantee you Mara will retain Shurmer and Gettleman and give his usual "everyone is on notice" BS that has now become a staple of Giants offseasons.
Giving him a chance to spend all that money in Free agency is a disaster waiting to happen
NYG 3-12 in last nfc East games. Awesome.
With little talent.
Looks like this franchise is in for a generation of losing.
1964-1980.
The organization is worse then last year. What a disappointment
Giving him a chance to spend all that money in Free agency is a disaster waiting to happen
The team was worse than 5-11 last year and this team is worse than that. Fuck Gettleman too. He’s pure ass.
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For close to a decade
When you reach for a head coach not once but twice this is what you get.
So true.
The organization is worse then last year. What a disappointment
- Horrible use of challenges
- Aversion to using the running back
- Porous clock management/use of timeouts
Did NOT Learn:
- Red zone play design
- Use of a mobile QB
- Creative play design anywhere on the field
I'm sure Mara could use a good Bert Jones story right about now.
AWW poor baby!
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but gettleman is no better. HE should not get a pass for not improving the team in 2 years since hes been here .
Giving him a chance to spend all that money in Free agency is a disaster waiting to happen
The team was worse than 5-11 last year and this team is worse than that. Fuck Gettleman too. He’s pure ass.
They all need to go but ultimately it doesnt matter because john mara is daniel snyder 2.0 and this team is DEAD as long as hes the owner
No idea. It was close, but it looks to me like his arm had started forward with the ball still in possession.
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Who becomes the interim coach? Butcher?:)
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For close to a decade
When you reach for a head coach not once but twice this is what you get.
So true.
The organization is worse then last year. What a disappointment
Nobody cared!
After every fumble we are told by some not to blame him. Its like the Star Wars scene, "These are not the droid you are looking for". He needs to stop it.
Yet a stupid fan (me) still watches this shit show....
Have you seen his OL? He’s a rookie learning on the job. However he needs better play calling and protection
If they all suck, where does that leave the laughing stock, pathetic Giants?
Me too he played well in his first game
Thank goodness they drafted a RB with the second overall pick just to run shotgun damn near every fucking play. So much for play action passing.
Giving him a chance to spend all that money in Free agency is a disaster waiting to happen
Agree💯 Not enough is being made of the obvious mistakes by Gettleman. Like, hiring Pat Schurmur. There’s plenty of other dumb moves including the absolutely inexplicable trade for Williams. Just a terrible GM.
I was so very wrong about that.
So please relax. This is going to last a while. Let's just hope he is learning and current mess (much of his making) will have a big payout.
Jets and giants fans. The players might as well not show up either and save us all the embarrassment
That stupid cat incident did blunt momentum at the time but Dallas is just way better.
But the biggest problem is the OL. We can't block anyone. Shurmur was right. "If you can't block them, nothing works."
first take, was the run game by Dallas basically due to our weak LB corps?
no pass rush - Dak is a decent QB. BUt if you don't sack, hit, or knock a QB down - you're probably not going to win
Apparently he ran right around Nate Solder.
How do we not even win one of these games by accident?
Jones will keep me engaged but I’m officially checked out. Lose out. Who cares anymore?
I don’t even know if I can watch anymore. I’m tired of feeling sick every week.
Starting to worry?
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How the fuck does a cat get on the field anyway
Apparently he ran right around Nate Solder.
Okay this is very funny
So please relax. This is going to last a while. Let's just hope he is learning and current mess (much of his making) will have a big payout.
Your takeaway is that Jones is the big problem? Seriously?
The Cowboys opened up the game trying to give it away, and the Giants refused to take it.
You forgot not brain dead!! Ah the fuck did they trade up for this guy
Leadership
Coaching
Pass Rush
Offensive Line
Smarts
Did I leave out anything?
We are definitely drafting Top 5 and easily could be Top 3. Even the very first pick is in reach with a laughing stock franchise like this.
Oh yes... I think Mara is going to post the franchise for sale on Craigslist tomorrow.
We need to start screening people better before handing out IDs here on the website. A simple IQ test to weed out people like this would be a good start.
rookie CB - only rookie QB job is harder.
Been saying this for weeks. I think the issue is Betcher. Too many players are confused back there. One play it is Baker. Another play it is someone else.
They work on commission.. Get a bowl of fish for every rat they get under the stands..
I agree but lest not forget last time he took action this is what we got
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Not the coverage but being in zone when everyone else was in man at this point of the season ?
Been saying this for weeks. I think the issue is Betcher. Too many players are confused back there. One play it is Baker. Another play it is someone else.
They’ve lost me and countless others at this point. I used to live and die with every game, but not anymore. I look for excuses to find something better to do because the outcome of these games is a foregone conclusion.
I had season tickets for over thirty years, gave them up when they double dipped on the PSL’s, and now I don’t regret it one bit. Show us some semblance of caring and fire this coaching staff and some veterans like Jenkins, who cares less than I do. Do it tomorrow. Show some balls for once. I don’t want to hear “ We’ll assess the coaching situation after the season.”
Fire everyone, lose out and start the rebuild again with the number one or two pick. Please.
Leadership
Coaching
Pass Rush
Offensive Line
Smarts
Did I leave out anything?
We are definitely drafting Top 5 and easily could be Top 3. Even the very first pick is in reach with a laughing stock franchise like this.
Unfortunately that may not be true! The Giants have a lot of company as a bereft team this year.
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But Ballantine looks like a better prospect than Baker. Bigger, stronger, faster. Hope he gets more pt.
You forgot not brain dead!! Ah the fuck did they trade up for this guy
Bettcher is clearly invested in Baker; his college record and then having traded up.
Given that, his dilemma now that the season is lost is whether to let him play through his rookie faults (as Arcosi said "never give up on talent") or take him off the starting team (for Beal to see what he has there)?
Ballentine showed real promise.
[quote] that’s what we do...” Pat Shurmur
Fire him now it’s too much to take
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On that fumble.
After every fumble we are told by some not to blame him. Its like the Star Wars scene, "These are not the droid you are looking for". He needs to stop it.
agree with you PP
I was impressed with him getting separation. Sign him.
I keep telling myself I'm not going to watch another game. My 15 and 11 year olds always want to watch and are interested. What am I supposed to do other than watch the game with them. I can't let them turn into Eagles or Cowboy fans because their dad was so frustrated he didn't want to be excited about the Giants.
Defensively do they ever make a tackle without letting the ballcarrier go an extra 3/4/5 yards? It's maddening. When it's not a missed tackle, it's a blown coverage or a dumb penalty. A complete failure.
Even the special teams are breaking down with the kicking game a mess.
They still basically need an entire o line, wrs, and an entire defense. There is a large talent deficiency. I’m not even sure how you accurately judge Jones off this season. All said and done he’s doing a pretty decent job with what he has surrounding him.
I just don’t see how you give DG another year and allow him to spend all of this free agent money. He just hasn’t shown that he can accurately judge talent.
It was a place a lot of fans did not think could happen judging by the thread this afternoon about the game.
But a defense who continues to make ridiculous mistakes denied us the opportunity for an exciting ending.
Hard to understand how everyone but 1 player can be playing man while he plays zone.
Last years draft is looking more average but this years is looking good.
Jones is s turnover machine. No team is winning with that. You just hope he gets better with ball security and learns to get rid of the ball when nothing is there. But the rest of his game is good.
So DG gets one more year at a minimum. Shuur should be fired. He is just not HC material
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How the fuck does a cat get on the field anyway
Apparently he ran right around Nate Solder.
Pretty funny have to admit !
Last years draft is looking more average but this years is looking good.
Jones is s turnover machine. No team is winning with that. You just hope he gets better with ball security and learns to get rid of the ball when nothing is there. But the rest of his game is good.
So DG gets one more year at a minimum. Shuur should be fired. He is just not HC material
Agreed. Shurmur needs to be fired, and Gettleman gets one more chance to hire a proper head coach.
His ability to restock the team has been pretty good through the draft. I honestly think these second year struggles for his first class have more to do with the shit coaching than talent regressing to the mean.
It was a place a lot of fans did not think could happen judging by the thread this afternoon about the game.
But a defense who continues to make ridiculous mistakes denied us the opportunity for an exciting ending.
Hard to understand how everyone but 1 player can be playing man while he plays zone.
Baker is a moron. Grabs Coopers jersey for no reason right in front of the ref. Had no effect on the play but they are going to call a pulled jersey. Then he is playing zone in man coverage,
He makes Eli Apple look like a genius
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Last years draft is looking more average but this years is looking good.
Jones is s turnover machine. No team is winning with that. You just hope he gets better with ball security and learns to get rid of the ball when nothing is there. But the rest of his game is good.
So DG gets one more year at a minimum. Shuur should be fired. He is just not HC material
Completely agree with this!
If one or two players has a bad game, it's usually on them. When every player has a bad game and looks confused in the process, it has to be on the coaching.
The GM, coaches and most of these players must go.
They are horrible!
Jenkins the one armed whiffer
Solder and Remmers- The matadors
Bethea and those terrible angles
Ellison, Ogletree and Mayo
The list goes on and on!
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How the fuck does a cat get on the field anyway
Apparently he ran right around Nate Solder.
This made me laugh
Bettchers scheme really needs top flight linebackers to work and Ogletree was an awful trade.
No faith in the offense at all. Engram never shows up big in games when it matters. Tate is old.
you think two rookies are the difference between being a bottom 5 defense and not?
As for the Giants, I like the guys Gettleman has drafted pretty much. He hasn't done as well with his FA signings, obviously, but Markus Golden is IMO a keeper.
Jones will get there I think.
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dont think this defense is bad if he started the year with ballentine on the outside and love starting free safety.
you think two rookies are the difference between being a bottom 5 defense and not?
yes, Ballentine and Love will be good players. Compared to Haley who should be in the xfl and Bethea should have retired 5 years ago.
Shurmur: 17-40-0 Winning PCT .298
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The Giants don't. Flat out bad coaching, along with bad personnel. Down by 1 and at halftime.
Shurmur: 17-41-0 Winning PCT .293
But the ball security is killer. He's turning the ball over at an historic rate.
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How the fuck does a cat get on the field anyway
Apparently he ran right around Nate Solder.
Now that's humor - AAAA++++
Did you hear PS halftime interview, he was actually happy with the team, think about it, they had two TOs and gave up a 9 point lead inside two minutes and he was OK with that, mind-numbing!
Last years draft is looking more average but this years is looking good.
Jones is s turnover machine. No team is winning with that. You just hope he gets better with ball security and learns to get rid of the ball when nothing is there. But the rest of his game is good.
So DG gets one more year at a minimum. Shuur should be fired. He is just not HC material
Keeping DG and PS is just prolonging the agony rip the Band-Aid off and get rid of these two.
But the ball security is killer. He's turning the ball over at an historic rate.
It makes it a little difficult to learn when you're taking huge hits from Lawrence, et al. IMO he was one of the few bright spots last night, but the TO situation has to improve.
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How the fuck does a cat get on the field anyway
I was impressed with him getting separation. Sign him.
Agreed. He was very elusive. We need him.
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How the fuck does a cat get on the field anyway
Apparently he ran right around Nate Solder.
Still made me laugh today.