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Barkley came back to soon

sb from NYT Forum : 11/5/2019 12:01 am
He's a shell of himself. 3.2 yards per carry since he's been back. 2 yards per carry tonight.

I'm sorry but it's not all the OL, because last year's was just as bad. And Barkley lit up these same Cowboys in Week 1.

Fire away!
Whatever it is he's gotta figure it out  
ghost718 : 11/5/2019 12:02 am : link
Just hoping these Roc Nation fucks didn't ruin him too
This years oline  
KDubbs : 11/5/2019 12:05 am : link
Is actually worse than last years even after the changes
Coach  
broadbandz : 11/5/2019 12:05 am : link
rushed him back to save his job. Shurmur was toast when he canceled his weekly call-in show. Every coach that has done that is a walking dead man.
.  
GiantEgo : 11/5/2019 12:07 am : link
I didn't think he looked the same this season even before he was injured. I wonder if sitting him out the entire preseason had a negative effect.
RE: This years oline  
islander1 : 11/5/2019 12:10 am : link
In comment 14663835 KDubbs said:
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Is actually worse than last years even after the changes


It's definitely some of both.

The line has regressed massively, but I see Barkley shuffling far too much behind the line of scrimmage. I understand there aren't always holes, but it feel like every single run he does it.
I agree.  
bceagle05 : 11/5/2019 12:11 am : link
He was adamant about beating the 6-8 week timetable for his injury and probably rushed things a bit as a result.
Dave Diehl just blamed Shurmur for Barkley's  
CT Charlie : 11/5/2019 12:12 am : link
lack of production. Specifically, he pointed out that the jet sweep with Slayton got us an "easy" 6 yards the first time we tried it "and then we didn't show that look again the entire game." Diehl pointed out that the whole RPO, which suits Jones well, is based on forcing the D to make split-second decisions. When they guess wrong, we get a good opening. Basically, we're not setting things up for Barkley but running inside zone (again and again) and hoping he'll break one. Especially against a strong front like the Dallas D.
RE: .  
Breeze_94 : 11/5/2019 12:13 am : link
In comment 14663850 GiantEgo said:
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I didn't think he looked the same this season even before he was injured. I wonder if sitting him out the entire preseason had a negative effect.


He ran for 100 yards in the first 2 game. Averaged 7.5 ypc. I think he was just fine...
RE: RE: .  
giantsFC : 11/5/2019 12:39 am : link
In comment 14663883 Breeze_94 said:
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In comment 14663850 GiantEgo said:


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I didn't think he looked the same this season even before he was injured. I wonder if sitting him out the entire preseason had a negative effect.



He ran for 100 yards in the first 2 game. Averaged 7.5 ypc. I think he was just fine...


Yeah except he aggravated that ankle. And now he is struggling.

But it is the NFL and a RB. They okay hurt or they go find another career. It’s reason 1 why you don’t waste a top pick on a RB in NFL unless it’s a luxury your team is already pretty talented.
Maybe he's just the latest victim  
santacruzom : 11/5/2019 12:42 am : link
Of the Giants' supernatural ability to make their promising players get worse.
He has definitely looked like  
Modzelewski : 11/5/2019 1:19 am : link
He is missing the elusive cuts and change of direction, big time. It doesn't help that Solder and Halapio have lost every battle at the LOS, either. But, Barkley doesn't look to form.
There’s no way he’s 100% but  
Giantology : 11/5/2019 5:50 am : link
You also didn’t mention playcalling. We don’t seem to be capable of even getting Saquon into a rhythm.
He sure looked like  
section125 : 11/5/2019 6:07 am : link
he was hurting on the 65 yard screen pass didn't he?

He is still hesitant at the line. There were holes there and he sees them a split second late. He tripped over Michael Bennet's foot on a play late that had a huge hole(I thought Bennett stuck a foot out to trip him.)
He is not  
mdthedream : 11/5/2019 6:24 am : link
100 percent. I don't understand why we don't see Gallman at all during these games.
Agree with most poster comments about Barkley coming back too soon.  
joe48 : 11/5/2019 6:53 am : link
He is not hitting the holes quickly. I am not sure we need to run him through the tackles so much. We should be able to score TDs inside the 10 yd line with a generational talent. Shurmur does not help with the play calling. If you cannot establish the run with a back like Barkley even with this OL you cannot justify picking him at #2.
I understand how people get frustrated but part of this rebuild is figuring out if Shurmur can build an offense. He probably gets another year. I expected this board to explode after to losing to Dallas but it was expected. I just hope we beat the Jets.
Well we saw gallman  
bhill410 : 11/5/2019 6:56 am : link
On the pivotal third and 5 when Barkley and Tate weren’t on the field for some reason.

I hope someone asks about that in presser
Let’s not act like DCs...  
bw in dc : 11/5/2019 7:20 am : link
don’t have a part in this. The opposition gets paid, too.

There is now a lot of tape on Barkley and his tendencies. So I think he’s just getting easier to defend on the run.

In SB’s defense, his OL is regressing. And last night we played superior talent with that Dallas D.
RE: Let’s not act like DCs...  
Giantology : 11/5/2019 10:07 am : link
In comment 14664243 bw in dc said:
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don’t have a part in this. The opposition gets paid, too.

There is now a lot of tape on Barkley and his tendencies. So I think he’s just getting easier to defend on the run.

In SB’s defense, his OL is regressing. And last night we played superior talent with that Dallas D.


Still ignoring the playcalling, which doesn't utilize Barkley very well or help get him into a rhythm.
Barkley's production vs. last year isn't all that different  
Eric on Li : 11/5/2019 10:22 am : link
2018 - 126 yards per game, 6.0 yards per touch, 22 touches per game
2019 - 105 total yards per game, 5.6 yards per touch, 20 touches per game

Beyond the injury and partial game vs. TB impacting his stats you can pick your reason as to why he's been slightly less effective, it's probably a combination of a few - teams game planning differently, not having Beckham around to take attention away, playing from behind a ton, playing with a rookie QB who has limited possessions with frequent turnovers.

IMO the bottomline is that the offense to this point hasn't been as good this year (19 ppg) as it was last year (23 ppg) - especially the back half of last year. I put the lack of progress in general squarely on the shoulders of the coaching staff since making progress is their entire responsibility. Yes they are playing a rookie QB who has made mistakes but he's played very well and a lot of the mistakes he's made are the result of other's mistakes.
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