Or Eli Manning’s?
It’s been at least 5 years blaming the offensive line.
When is it time to realize this organizations problems are WAY beyond the O-line?
It’s been so bad I don’t even care anymore. I feel like a Lions fan or a Bengals fan.
I’ll just add my angry post to the rest of them on here.
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You made a gross generalization based upon nothing, and expected we would all accept your BS thoughts as fact? Get over yourself.
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Oh...in that case it's a lame, unfactual post. Compare the Dallas Oline to the Giants and tell me how that comparison is not the issue. Let's give DG one more year to see what he can do.
Organizational issues have been addressed, but unfortunately the Reese regime's failures are still being felt.
Unfactual? Non factual?
So does that mean everyone else’s posts on here are backed by EBP and/or peer reviewed literature?
It takes time to COMPLETE rebuilding a core.
If you add players who are no better than what they're replacing, you're not rebuilding or building anything - you're wasting time.
That's exactly what this "rebuild" has been - a plug and play attempt to "rebuild" through FA (and abject failure), trades (underwhelming thus far), and the draft (Hernandez is a solid but inconsistent player).
And that's after relieving a lot of the pressure by getting a better RB and a mobile QB. If they had Gallman and Eli out there tonight they might have lost by 50.
This team needs to be rebuilt through the draft. That takes time. Not 2 years. There are no shortcuts.
Yeah. I've seen a team that hit rock bottom the last 2 years and is now in rebuilding mode with a rookie QB. The Oline had to be completely rebuilt due to 8+ years of horrific drafting by the previous regime. The current line is a combination of good (Zeitler), potential (Hernandez), stopgap (Remmers & Halapio), and a FA paid too highly out of necessity (Solder).
Losses like we've seen this year, while frustrating, are expected.
To claim the organization is a disaster is just not a fact. They were, up to the point of letting Reese & Ross go, and now are building from the ground up. It takes time.
Watching this board throw adult hossy fits after every loss is something I'd expect from Jets fans....now that is a long embarrassing organization.
You mean the two years spent losing don't hurt the team?
And if this 'rebuild' only happens through the draft, why did Gettleman select a RB at #2 and not a lineman? If Solder was not part of a solution, why pay him the highest salary ever handed out to a LT at the time?
If the stop gaps were not meant to make the situation any better - and face it, they have not - why bother making them in the first place?
What you're basically saying is that Reese was better at building an OL than Gettleman was - because he spent less resources, had a slower QB, and it managed to perform about the same.
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Yeah. I've seen a team that hit rock bottom the last 2 years and is now in rebuilding mode with a rookie QB. The Oline had to be completely rebuilt due to 8+ years of horrific drafting by the previous regime. The current line is a combination of good (Zeitler), potential (Hernandez), stopgap (Remmers & Halapio), and a FA paid too highly out of necessity (Solder).
Losses like we've seen this year, while frustrating, are expected.
To claim the organization is a disaster is just not a fact. They were, up to the point of letting Reese & Ross go, and now are building from the ground up. It takes time.
Watching this board throw adult hossy fits after every loss is something I'd expect from Jets fans....now that is a long embarrassing organization.
Brace yourself Bucky, they might lose to that Jets organization in a couple of weeks. They already got swindled by them for a 3rd and a 4th.
How can we not be upset? do you want to be the Cowboys and still live in 1994 for 30 years?
Enlighten me
Says who? The money wasted on Patrick Omameh, Nate Solder - couldn't have gone to pay anyone else?
How about that corpse at C? Or are there no better players on the market, because Dave Gettleman said so?
Enlighten me
Your suggestion is that Gettleman did the best he could, given what was available - and that the only solution is the draft.
Well clearly - if this is all going to plan - then he knew that he was bound for failure.
At that point, why take Barkley? Why not trade down and compile picks to rebuild the OL?
Or why not pick Quenton Nelson?
Why not take a chance in the draft at C and bypass a CB selection and instead go into FA for CB where the talent pool was deeper?
You can play this game all day - if the default answer is 'Gettleman did the best he could' - and that you maintain that he knew these guys would be this bad - then the answer is he's not to be trusted rebuilding ANYTHING.
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what quick fix for that OLine am I missing, what road not taken?
Enlighten me
Your suggestion is that Gettleman did the best he could, given what was available - and that the only solution is the draft.
Well clearly - if this is all going to plan - then he knew that he was bound for failure.
At that point, why take Barkley? Why not trade down and compile picks to rebuild the OL?
Or why not pick Quenton Nelson?
Why not take a chance in the draft at C and bypass a CB selection and instead go into FA for CB where the talent pool was deeper?
You can play this game all day - if the default answer is 'Gettleman did the best he could' - and that you maintain that he knew these guys would be this bad - then the answer is he's not to be trusted rebuilding ANYTHING.
It is interesting about the DB’s and Gettlemans philosophy on that position as a GM. Going back to the panthers.
Anyone can say trade down draft a center. We jave those silly debates every March
Anyone can say trade down draft a center. We jave those silly debates every March
No, silly is suggesting that Gettleman did all he could, because nobody better was available.
The implication being that Gettleman had no choice - that he gave a contract to a player he knew wasn't worth it because he needed someone, anyone, to man the position and that was the best available to him at the time.
So you create a dopey strawman of 'who would you pick' - and then when someone suggests what other course of action he could have taken (at YOUR prompting), you suggest the exercise is silly.
No kidding. Just as silly as thinking that cap dollars don't matter, and that Uncle Dave was just subjected to a poor FA market and not allowed to draft offensive linemen instead of skill positions.
The ultimate irony being Gettleman was supposed to focus on rebuilding the lines through the draft, something that ole Jerry couldn't do. Problem solved I guess!
Anyone can say trade down draft a center. We jave those silly debates every March
Maybe dumping Richburg, who's now starting for an 8-0 team, wasn't such a hot idea? Even before considering they replaced him with someone as awful as Halapio.
If we get trounced next week ny the Jets 100-10, I'll be saying the same thing.
If we get trounced next week ny the Jets 100-10, I'll be saying the same thing.
We're midway through the second year of this regime, and there has not been one iota of improved play.
A regime, which BTW - boasts most of the same scouts and the same director of pro personnel that the previous one did. One that hired a coach with a career .313 record - whose career record has actually DECLINED while he's been here.
So I don't think this is a calculus problem - nobody's win percentage is going to approach 1.000 as the amount of time given to them goes to infinity. I think it's more likely they're heading to zero.
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System fail from the top.
It’s always the same. It’s eli Manning’s fault. And when it isn’t, it’s the offensive line’s fault.
Jesus, it’s been so many different lineman this decade. It can’t be all of them.
I just get tired of seeing it on here. Other players and staff need to be held accountable
I don't think you've been paying attention to most of the comments by posters here. Everyone has been saying the whole team sucks.
Idk I keep seeing it coming up tonight. It’s just one faction of this huge fail. So so much ore is wrong thst needs to be corrected.
Eric is right. You've stopped reading any other complaint and just focused on the OL.
Well, let's hope the Giants are less patient than you are, otherwise we're all in for a LOT more losing. Apparently, selecting better players than the ones you already have is not part of the rebuilding process, it's all just a bridge to nowhere.
The WR suck as well.
But the spent a #6 pick on a shiny new Franchise QB. By far the highest priority is to protect that asset. Thus the fact that the OL is perhaps the worst unit on the team is unforgivable ineptitude. People are saying "What else could he have done?". 2018 was incredibly deep in OL talent. DG grabbed only 1. I advocated trading the #2 (Barkley) pick and using it to get 2 more first round OL players. But there were OL taken in the 3rd who are starting today.
In addition the Patriots were able to trade fro Trent Brown... Are you suggesting that making that trade was impossible for the Giants?
Is Quenton Nelson not an NFL player in whatever alternate universe you're conducting this scenario?
Shit, they traded Brett Jones - who while no great shakes, was a better player than Halapio - and he was already on the fucking roster.
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Yeah. I've seen a team that hit rock bottom the last 2 years and is now in rebuilding mode with a rookie QB. The Oline had to be completely rebuilt due to 8+ years of horrific drafting by the previous regime. The current line is a combination of good (Zeitler), potential (Hernandez), stopgap (Remmers & Halapio), and a FA paid too highly out of necessity (Solder).
Losses like we've seen this year, while frustrating, are expected.
To claim the organization is a disaster is just not a fact. They were, up to the point of letting Reese & Ross go, and now are building from the ground up. It takes time.
Watching this board throw adult hossy fits after every loss is something I'd expect from Jets fans....now that is a long embarrassing organization.
Brace yourself Bucky, they might lose to that Jets organization in a couple of weeks. They already got swindled by them for a 3rd and a 4th.
Excuse me Junior....since we're throwing around nicknames. If the Giants lose to the Jets, I would assume there would be coaching terminations at season's end. They do need to finish with at least the 5 win total they had last year, as bad as that was. Hopefully with a rookie QB playing well at season's end, and a plan to turn the corner in 2020...a key year for the franchise.
Or does that one change in history make us a 2019 contender
Excuse me Junior....since we're throwing around nicknames. If the Giants lose to the Jets, I would assume there would be coaching terminations at season's end. They do need to finish with at least the 5 win total they had last year, as bad as that was. Hopefully with a rookie QB playing well at season's end, and a plan to turn the corner in 2020...a key year for the franchise.
You know I've said it often that last year's 5 wins were a mirage based on playing a string of backup QBs. That seems more and more on point.
That said, this team is no better. And this year the OL is worse than the one that ended the year last year.
Trade Vernon for a player better than Remmers, or Halapio...
Draft McGary instead of Baker
Not trade Brett Jones.
Sign Matt Paradis
Sign Mitch Morse
Sooooooo many options that he had.
We can go on all night and day with what he could have down.
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Oh...in that case it's a lame, unfactual post. Compare the Dallas Oline to the Giants and tell me how that comparison is not the issue. Let's give DG one more year to see what he can do.
Organizational issues have been addressed, but unfortunately the Reese regime's failures are still being felt.
You can't blame Reese for this. The entire OL has been replaced and it's actually worse.
And that's with the guy in charge making Solder the second highest paid OLT of all time along with several other moves.
This team didn't - and still does not - know how to scout OL.
The entire scouting staff and Chris Mara need to go. They don't know how to scout players period.
Just pick one component offensive lineman every other draft.
There's nothing there. No downfield threat, pass blocking looks horrid. Apparently being mobile doesn't help much.
I think DJ is gonna be very good, but man, he's seeing the same thing Eli saw.
We scored 19 points and sucked in the red zone. And turned the ball over.
What are you looking at?
Mr. Hogmollies. LOLZ!!
I don't think you've been paying attention to most of the comments by posters here. Everyone has been saying the whole team sucks.
Idk I keep seeing it coming up tonight. It’s just one faction of this huge fail. So so much ore is wrong thst needs to be corrected.
Eric is right. You've stopped reading any other complaint and just focused on the OL.
I mean hence why I posted this thread. It kept coming up as complaints by people while they seem to defend a disappointing defense, coaching, GM, TOP 10 PICK QB etc. etc.
Looking at you Mr. Mara & Tisch.
I think you have lost perspective. There is rot. It reeks of losing.
It is up to you and I to fix this. We have to stop rewarding them for losing.
Stop watching.
Don't go to games.
Don't buy Giants merchandise until they start fielding a competitive team again.
The product is SHIT.
The product has been shit for a while.
I see nothing that tells me the product is not going to continue to be shit.
Until we teach them with our wallets they will keep feeding us shit.
They have just about lost me.
I didn't care last night.
I don't care today.
I'm just...
meh.