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Based upon what I saw last night...

M.S. : 11/5/2019 6:18 am
...the Giants offensive line has regressed from last season's (way) below average unit.

So, too, has their defensive line, as well as their secondary, wide receivers and the run game.

And it's not like last year's team was firing on all cylinders.

(Oh, and Aldrick Rosas has regressed, too, but at least he was coming off a great season.)

So, what can Giants' fans hang their hats on? That Daniel Jones is getting much-needed experience while he coughs up the ball at an unprecedented rate? Or should we just blame the offensive line for that?

The only clarity we have about this franchise is that it's an utter mess with no solutions "right around the corner." I won't say "utter disarray," but the Giants certainly do not know how to win football games. Full stop.

As for the 17-41 Head Coach, his situational in-game decisions are terrible and -- based on the passion of his players -- Pat Shurmur's motivation and leadership skills are hovering right around zero.

Next April the Giants will have a Top 5 pick in the Draft, and the overall #1 selection is well within reach for this lackluster football team.

But the Draft won't make much of a difference until the current coaching regime is removed, and the ownership takes itself out of the football-making decision process.

It's time to start over.

Again.
Please stop the whining!  
joe48 : 11/5/2019 6:23 am : link
We are rebuilding the offense and defense.
Yeah just give  
rocco8112 : 11/5/2019 6:24 am : link
it more time! It is a rebuild? Shurmurball needs more time to perculate!

By 2022 Shmurmur might, MIGHT challenge to break his HC career mark of a five win season.
Actually  
mdthedream : 11/5/2019 6:33 am : link
think the Defence has improved the passrush is better than last year and we are extremely young. The lose of Conolly was huge. The DB its hard to play with so many young DBs. That said the Defence has been holding up its just that the offense is very bad at this time.
Couldn’t agree more  
Justlurking : 11/5/2019 6:34 am : link
Shurmur is a loser. Period. His schemes stink and his play calling is worse. He can’t figure out how to get saquon the ball in space. Instead he runs him up the middle to get touches. What a waste. And this defensive scheme? Why are we playing 2DL and 5 LBs against a team that’s running down our throat? Makes ZERO sense.

Hog mollie master is the worst GM in the league. The Leonard Williams trade is quite possibly the stupidest thing that any GM has done in the past few years. Why are we trading away picks when we are 2-6???? For a free agent! It’s like he saw the Steelers do it for Fitzpatrick and he thought, “yes! We can turn it around too!” All these great draft picks i hear about, where are they? No line, no pass rush, no run stopping, no linebackers, no receivers.

They tore it down. Now it’s time to get a real coach and GM to build it back up. Because these two aren’t capable.
Wait  
NikkiMac : 11/5/2019 6:42 am : link
Until they lose to the Dolphins at home that should be the kaboom on Shurmur.....
The staff needs to go  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/5/2019 6:43 am : link
Not only is the Head Coach poor but the staff he assembled is even worse. Probably the two most important staff hires (OL coach and DC) are poor. What does it say that a HC who was a OL himself can't progress this line? I really don't like the offensive scheme; particularly the almost exclusive shotgun use. Is anybody happy with how much Jones is being exposed to hits either in the pocket or how he is being utilized outside?

Shurmur is just not a leader. All I hear are things like "go back to work", "try to get a win" and a overall subtle demeanor of passing blame to youth and talent. This soft mentality and lack or urgency has infected the team.

It is really hard at this point to get a true value on what this team has with this staff which poses quite a dilemma for Mara and/or DG imo.

What is the upside of Shurmur? At best a 8-8 or maybe 9-7 team with what would probably be a very talented roster. Time to move on.

Jones is regressing. The coach is not helping him though. Simplify things for him. Roll him out, cut the field down for him for reads. Put him under center and utilize play action.


I felt the only you bring the staff back was if you beat Dallas and split with Philly. This is not happening. It's the NFL and there is a lot of parity.



defensive line has not regressed  
bc4life : 11/5/2019 6:43 am : link
there's not much behind them, specifically linebackers. Connelly was the LB they were most excited baout this year.

He has played well - but think about it - the best LB play was coming from a rookie we drafted in 5th round. And, we're runninag 3-4 where quality LB is the core of your defense
RE: Please stop the whining!  
M.S. : 11/5/2019 6:46 am : link
In comment 14664156 joe48 said:
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We are rebuilding the offense and defense.

And what were we doing last year, re-building? The 2019 Giants team is worse than the 2018 version. That's reality. Call it whining, if you wish.
How has d-line not regressed?  
Justlurking : 11/5/2019 6:48 am : link
We used to be tough to run against. And if you play a 3-4 GET SOME LINEBACKERS. That’s kind of important, no?
There’s a lot of coaching issues  
Sammo85 : 11/5/2019 6:52 am : link
The offensive line is poorly constructed still on the edges to be effective and even using Halapio with his limitations and the philosophy and preparation doesn’t align together. I can’t believe how they still get fooled so easily on blatant blitzing situations (some is on Jones not changing protections and making better reads) and basic stunts and gap blitzes.

The in game decisions as was said above are really really bad and emblematic of bad situational planning and awareness by coaching.

I don’t dislike Shurmur or Bettcher and they’re probably very good men, but I think changes are warranted. We’ve seen enough to know this isn’t getting better and my fear is Mara will get fooled into a couple wins against the Phins and Skins to keep it together another year.





RE: Please stop the whining!  
peteschweaty : 11/5/2019 6:53 am : link
In comment 14664156 joe48 said:
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We are rebuilding the offense and defense.


oh really? where?
get some linebackers - I agree  
bc4life : 11/5/2019 6:55 am : link
LBs are not DL. DL is only position Giants are set at
RE: Please stop the whining!  
gmenatlarge : 11/5/2019 7:06 am : link
In comment 14664156 joe48 said:
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We are rebuilding the offense and defense.


Great rebuild, tell me one position besides RB where the Giants are better than average, you can't. So it's a rebuild where they still need about 20 players!
In fairness  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 11/5/2019 7:17 am : link
There was nothing about last night that was new. You have been saying this for the entire season. It may be a correct opinion, but to suggest last night was somehow pivotal - it’s just more to back up what you have been saying. Until the Giants start to win, its an easy opinion to have.
RE: In fairness  
M.S. : 11/5/2019 7:55 am : link
In comment 14664235 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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There was nothing about last night that was new. You have been saying this for the entire season. It may be a correct opinion, but to suggest last night was somehow pivotal - it’s just more to back up what you have been saying. Until the Giants start to win, its an easy opinion to have.

Your words: "There was nothing about last night that was new."

O-line weak and worthless: Check
Non-existent run game: Check
Daniel Jones puts the ball on the carpet: Check
Defensive front 7 slaughtered in the run game: Check
Secondary lost and bewildered: Check
Stupid Head Coaching in-game decisions: Check
Rosas loses focus on PAT: Check

I may have implied that last night was pivotal, but that was not really my intent. It was to point out the obvious: this franchise is going no where for a very long time to come.

And one last thing. There is a BBI narrative that "at least" we've found our future QB in Daniel Jones. I do not subscribe to that plot line. The book on him is just beginning, and no one really knows how it will end.
If it’s a rebuild  
lax counsel : 11/5/2019 9:17 am : link
Shouldn’t there be evidence of incremental talent improvement at some positions? Talent looks at best the same and possibly worse.
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