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what do we have in Daniel Jones..?

riceneggs : 11/5/2019 6:40 am
I know its early and this team is deficient in alot of areas. so I've been trying to get a gauge on what Daniel Jones actually does well.

I'm struggling with this.

I'm not seeing him go through progressions often. it's more "1st read, force it in there".

Fumbles and interceptions are killers.

but to the fan that sees things more clearly than I do, what does he do well?
Ummm  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/5/2019 6:46 am : link
he's good at taking hits I guess.

He's good at not yelling at his shit offensive line for not giving him time. He's good at extending plays when the opportunity is there.
Tough to fully assess  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/5/2019 6:50 am : link
Positives I see: toughness, gamer, good enough arm, accurate.
Weaknesses: Little overwhelmed, ball security, a boneheaded decision or two each game. I think the scheme though is attributing to his holding the ball and some of the fumble issues.

I think he is being very poorly coached. Too much is on his plate. They are not creating easy completions for him and the heavy shotgun is hurting him imo.

I think Shurmur is being exposed as not the QB whisperer he is portrayed as. Think Reid, Shanahan, McVay would get more from him?
Overall, I like the kid.  
Beezer : 11/5/2019 6:54 am : link
Heís got a strong arm, seems to be able to make the throws, he seems to also recognize changes in the defense and thatís encouraging at this stage. Clearly heís a good runner who can use his legs for first downs.

Iím hoping the following things are chalked up to being a rookie who played at Duke: doesnít always feel the pocket, doesnít seem to see all defenders on longer throws (tendency to lift it up there too often), and itís no secret, the ball security issue is a biggie.

Big picture he seems to be a very solid rookie. Iím glad heís getting this chance because I think he has a chance to be very good for a while.
***loft it up there  
Beezer : 11/5/2019 6:55 am : link
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I honestly think he is going to be really good  
Essex : 11/5/2019 6:57 am : link
He has an accurate arm, he is athletic, and he is tough.

He is right now playing with no protection, no separation from receivers, and moronic coaching and still flashing. So i am high on him still. Hope i am right on this one.

Btw, Shurmur is such and idiot. I donít care how athletic he is, you donít ask your franchise QB to be a lead blocker. That play was idiotic even though I think it got a first down.
RE: Tough to fully assess  
riceneggs : 11/5/2019 6:58 am : link
In comment 14664178 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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Positives I see: toughness, gamer, go


I think the word you're looking for in your subject line is "access" not "asses"

LOLOLOL
I like Jones and think he will be fine.  
joe48 : 11/5/2019 7:08 am : link
How good do you think Dak would be with our OL?
I see a young QB  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 11/5/2019 7:13 am : link
Who doesn't get rattled. Still tries to make plays. Wants to win. Moment is never too big. Can extend plays. Give him time. He's getting his ass kicked out there.
The line is doing him absolutely no favors  
Canton : 11/5/2019 7:48 am : link
Help be fine once we have a good line. At the moment it's abysmal.
RE: RE: Tough to fully assess  
Jim in Tampa : 11/5/2019 8:01 am : link
In comment 14664197 riceneggs said:
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In comment 14664178 Lines of Scrimmage said:


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Positives I see: toughness, gamer, go



I think the word you're looking for in your subject line is "access" not "asses"

LOLOLOL

No actually it should be "assess".
Way too early to tell  
Scooter185 : 11/5/2019 8:09 am : link
What happens if his next season looks like Darnonld and Mayfield look this season? The sophomore slump is real
He's a consistent fumbler/turnover machine.  
penkap75 : 11/5/2019 8:10 am : link
Until he fixes it, thats so far what he has done consistently. I like that he is always looking downfield, and not checking down, but its a high risk/reward type play that so far is not paying off.
Who Can Say  
Jeffrey : 11/5/2019 8:16 am : link
Too early to tell and too many holes in the offense to know who to blame. However, if the Giants find themselves in an Arizona Cardinals position of being able to take a top ranked QB next year or someone else, I would still say it is worth trading down and starting to fill the holes--even though I am far from sold that Jones is the answer.
I think he's looked good for a rookie  
Heisenberg : 11/5/2019 8:22 am : link
Turnovers are his big problem. Can't win with those.

But we won't really know for a year or two. Let's remember how bad Eli was his first year. He was god awful. Rookies need to learn and the team around Jones needs to get better.
Slightly more good than bad  
LG in NYC : 11/5/2019 8:44 am : link
worth seeing more of, but don't use a pen to put his name in at QB for the next 10 years.

as others said, tough to fully evaluate him with this OLine and coaching staff.
If Shurmur is the coach next year  
arniefez : 11/5/2019 8:49 am : link
The Giants will be looking for a new QB in 2021 or 2022 the latest. With the right coach Jones could be very valuable. This coach will end his career quickly.
RE: The line is doing him absolutely no favors  
Eli Wilson : 11/5/2019 8:57 am : link
In comment 14664305 Canton said:
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Help be fine once we have a good line. At the moment it's abysmal.


Neither are his WRs. Between not getting open and drops, they aren't helping him much at all.
RE: RE: Tough to fully assess  
Joey in VA : 11/5/2019 8:59 am : link
In comment 14664197 riceneggs said:
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In comment 14664178 Lines of Scrimmage said:


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Positives I see: toughness, gamer, go



I think the word you're looking for in your subject line is "access" not "asses"

LOLOLOL
Fucking idiot
He does a lot of good things  
lax counsel : 11/5/2019 9:11 am : link
And he has cut down on the bad throws the past couple of games. However, he needs to do a better job with ball security and pocket awareness. I think thatís going to come with NFL experience. If not, the Giants will still be looking for their guy.
I  
AcidTest : 11/5/2019 9:27 am : link
think he'll be really good if we can ever protect him, and give him some receivers who can separate. If not, we'll never know in all likelihood.
i like him  
Dinger : 11/5/2019 9:52 am : link
I like his talent I like his toughness and his smarts. I don't like that he's trying to do too much. The interception at the end of the first half was just stupid. The lead blocking was courageous but not needed. The running and not sliding is going to get him hurt and that will change his career. Shurmur MAY have had him prepared from day 1 but he's not coaching him to be smarter. Its early. He's probably still trying to prove he's worth the 1st round pick. He needs a good coach.
RE: I  
Brown Recluse : 11/5/2019 9:54 am : link
In comment 14664644 AcidTest said:
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think he'll be really good if we can ever protect him, and give him some receivers who can separate. If not, we'll never know in all likelihood.


Or maybe a head coach who understands a rookie QB with no protection could use some help staying upright by calling more plays to get him outside of the pocket.
Read  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/5/2019 9:55 am : link
what I said about Jones in my game preview. Last night was predictable as hell.
RE: Tough to fully assess  
Strahan91 : 11/5/2019 10:00 am : link
In comment 14664178 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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Positives I see: toughness, gamer, good enough arm, accurate.
Weaknesses: Little overwhelmed, ball security, a boneheaded decision or two each game. I think the scheme though is attributing to his holding the ball and some of the fumble issues.

I think he is being very poorly coached. Too much is on his plate. They are not creating easy completions for him and the heavy shotgun is hurting him imo.

I think Shurmur is being exposed as not the QB whisperer he is portrayed as. Think Reid, Shanahan, McVay would get more from him?

Shurmur's "QB whisperer" reputation is well-earned but I think he's the kind of guy who is a very good coordinator but can't handle HC duties too. He just doesn't seem to be able to handle all of the responsibilities that go with being HC while also being the team's de-facto OC and coaching up the young QB. It stinks really because if he was the OC and they had a real HC it would likely be great for Jones' development but he isn't and he can't handle it. It's a little bit like McAdoo where the Giants offense was far more creative when he was the OC and as a result was a whole lot better. Like with McAdoo, it's time to move on.
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