They have a completely different take on the Giants:
-This season was always a rebuilding year
-The concern was that Jones wouldn’t see the field at all, but he has and there has been a lot of encouragement with his play
-What players has Gettleman got rid of that have flourished elsewhere?
-There is a clear plan in place & need to be patient
I’m not saying I agree with this, just found their perspective on things interesting.
Then Phil chimes in and asks "are you reliving some of your prior Jets trauma?" and really caught Boomer off guard. He had a blank expression and tried to say something really stupid.
Point is, anything Boomer says about the Giants will always be tainted with bias. Lots of QBs have gone into the booth and clearly shed their bias, including both Romo and Aikman, but Boomer clearly can't and never will.
Pity his tormented psyche.
Pat Shurmur and the offensive line are the two big problems right now.
How could you possibly be optimistic about the Giants at this point?
Pat Shurmur and the offensive line are the two big problems right now.
If the rookies were progressing and making improvements, if one or two of them were flashing some real ability, that would be a silver lining.
That doesn't appear to be the case, not by the eye test or any meaningful statistical analysis. So far, the only metric in their favor is that they're younger.
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Look at how many snaps rookies are logging, especially on D.
Pat Shurmur and the offensive line are the two big problems right now.
If the rookies were progressing and making improvements, if one or two of them were flashing some real ability, that would be a silver lining.
That doesn't appear to be the case, not by the eye test or any meaningful statistical analysis. So far, the only metric in their favor is that they're younger.
Baker has had his struggles but made a play to get off the field last night and the refs made a horrible call. I still believe he can be a very good player. I like what we've seen from Ballentine. Lawrence and Connelly look like they will be here to stay.
I support much of what Gettleman has done but he's had two major failings so far. Pat Shurmur and the offensive line.
The D was gutted and left in it's place an interior DL that can't hold the POA, linebackers who can't rush the QB or defend the middle of the field, and a secondary that looked dazed and confused all night.
Thank god that ref made the bad call against Baker last night, because that at least gives him some defense. Up until that point, he was awful. Most of the night his man was running free. Of course, because football is a team sport, it's impossible to separate DB performance from Prescott having all night to throw because of the lack of a pass rush, or whether the LBs are to blame vs. the DL when Elliot is running untouched through the middle of the defense.
It's a systemic failure, from top to bottom - starting with the guy in charge of the rebuild.
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Look at how many snaps rookies are logging, especially on D.
Pat Shurmur and the offensive line are the two big problems right now.
If the rookies were progressing and making improvements, if one or two of them were flashing some real ability, that would be a silver lining.
That doesn't appear to be the case, not by the eye test or any meaningful statistical analysis. So far, the only metric in their favor is that they're younger.
What? Daniel Jones, Dexter Lawrence and Darius Slayton haven't flashed? Connelly didn't flash before the injury?
Even Baker has made plays. Thats a ludicrous comment.
Lawrence was a good pick, but same thing, we have to have high expectations from a high pick. Nothing to celebrate there.
Slayton has really overperformed and that's something to be pleased with. We need about ten more of those...
Wait till the Jets win next week and we will see what he says.
But he grew up a Giants fan so is he biased for the team?
However, he was upset they didnt draft him in 1984 and held a grudge so is it against the team?
Why can't you people disagree with him? Why must he be biased? Maybe it is his opinion and he is wrong or maybe you are biased because you are a fan but hate Gettleman or Shurmur.
The Giants are playing the most rookies (by far) of any team in the league. I don't know for sure, but they might be the youngest team in the league (especially if you subtract Eli's and DeOssie's ages).
That doesn't necessarily mean they will eventually be good, but as Archie Bunker used to say, "patience is a virgin".
One of my best friends is a huge Jets fan, a former D1 player and assistant coach - we are in our 40s so he is not one of these Rex Ryan rah rah Jets fans.
I texted him saying "Are you feeling better for Sunday after this?"
He essentially echoed Boomer and Gio - He said our D coordinator is the issue but he sees a professional team that is just in a building process and his own team and coach are a disaster. The score was not indicative of the competition and that the referees factored in the 4th quarter.
As far as I feel - this sucks and I don't like what I see. I really want to win on Sunday but like others - my passion is for worthless bragging rights I guess.
However the game goes, I don't think it's a low scoring crap bowl, I actually think the Jets being banged up and our D, that the score may get out of hand. If Jones can limit the turnovers and if we can force Sam into some bad throws, we may be able to pull this out.
LeVeon Bell had an MRI so he may be limited - I just have nightmares of Robby Anderson sprinting past our secondary - hopefully we can get pressure on a poor O-line.
Lawrence was a good pick, but same thing, we have to have high expectations from a high pick. Nothing to celebrate there.
Slayton has really overperformed and that's something to be pleased with. We need about ten more of those...
Dexter Lawrence has easily been one of the best rookies this year. Daniel Jones is by no means a finished product nor will my patience with his turnovers continue forever, but to say he hasn't flashed is nuts. He's made some incredible throws and has shown awesome toughness for a rookie in a shitstorm like this.
Connelly played well before the injury. Slayton has had poor drops, but again, he's a rookie and he has also made some excellent grabs.
I don't understand the criticism of this class, its one of the few bright spots right now. Having 3-5 starters, plus the potential for a guy like Ballantine to contribute from this draft would mean it was a huge success.
Thought this was going to be about Boomer and his buddy that works at the stadium discussing how many feral cats live there to help contain the rats
Is the scheme wrong?
Tell me Solder has regressed, but he's worse than Flowers? Remmers worse than Hart?
Interior line.......worse?
I don't get it.
Lawrence was a good pick, but same thing, we have to have high expectations from a high pick. Nothing to celebrate there.
Slayton has really overperformed and that's something to be pleased with. We need about ten more of those...
You expect a #6 pick to perform? At what level? Take a look around the league. Very few quarterbacks perform well in their rookie year. Eli manning struggled, troy aikman struggled, peyton manning struggled. Mayfield, darnold, Winston, Mariota and I can go on and on.
A players career is not determined in their rookie year and perhaps you need to lower your expectations of what rookies contribute. If they light it up their rookie year, that is a bonus not an expectation.
We have seen good things from Jones, Lawrence and even Baker.
Look I was as pissed as anyone about that call but the Giants were down the same 5 on the same drive forced a 3rd and 12, if they got a stop there they wouldn't have been in FG range, they would have gotten the ball back albeit with less time and worse field position. But they had an opportunity and decided to just bend over backwards.
1. DG inherited a horrible roster, including a horrendous OL.
2. Generally, great players don't become free agents (they're resigned or franchised by their orig. team).
3. Belichick tried to re-sign Solder, but was slightly outbid by DG.
4. The FA pool is limited.
5. What great LT was available in '18?
6. What great players in general have been available as FAs the last 2 years?
It's like shopping at a gas station/convenience store and expecting to get some good ribeye steaks.
Lawrence was a good pick, but same thing, we have to have high expectations from a high pick. Nothing to celebrate there.
Slayton has really overperformed and that's something to be pleased with. We need about ten more of those...
I thought that Slayton was terrible last night.
The D was gutted and left in it's place an interior DL that can't hold the POA, linebackers who can't rush the QB or defend the middle of the field, and a secondary that looked dazed and confused all night.
Thank god that ref made the bad call against Baker last night, because that at least gives him some defense. Up until that point, he was awful. Most of the night his man was running free. Of course, because football is a team sport, it's impossible to separate DB performance from Prescott having all night to throw because of the lack of a pass rush, or whether the LBs are to blame vs. the DL when Elliot is running untouched through the middle of the defense.
It's a systemic failure, from top to bottom - starting with the guy in charge of the rebuild.
Gettlemen didn't hire shurmur....here you go again. You just love to hate on DG huh? I agree his FAs need to be better but man, you just pass along anything true or false that makes him look bad.
I'd rather have Daniel Jones now than Lawrence in 2021. Lawrence has already lost some of his sheen this year.
Devon Kennard
Snacks
Brett Jones
Okwara (they cut him for no reason and he'd be pretty useful for this team)
JPP
Fluker
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Gio said Giants fans should be optimistic unlike Jets fans. I did not understand how he was so glass half full after the way the game and season has unfolded for this team
The Giants are playing the most rookies (by far) of any team in the league. I don't know for sure, but they might be the youngest team in the league (especially if you subtract Eli's and DeOssie's ages).
That doesn't necessarily mean they will eventually be good, but as Archie Bunker used to say, "patience is a virgin".
This youngest thing is way overplayed imo. If you really look at the roster there are good amount of veterans on it and this is a 2nd time HC. I feel the team is regressing in year two and it will most likely get worse. Historically, year two is usually much better with coaches who have successful tenures.
If you look at the numbers, it's not even close, ie, the minutes played by rookies and if they have such a stat, they probably lead the league in minutes played by players who have never played together before (prior to this season).
If that's a part of their success, wouldn't it suggest that the opposite is part of our failures?
Jones has been better than Darnold.
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All due respect, but when we spend a #6 on a QB, the expectation is that he will perform, and as fumbles remain a concern, DJ was not a plus pick
Lawrence was a good pick, but same thing, we have to have high expectations from a high pick. Nothing to celebrate there.
Slayton has really overperformed and that's something to be pleased with. We need about ten more of those...
You expect a #6 pick to perform? At what level? Take a look around the league. Very few quarterbacks perform well in their rookie year. Eli manning struggled, troy aikman struggled, peyton manning struggled. Mayfield, darnold, Winston, Mariota and I can go on and on.
A players career is not determined in their rookie year and perhaps you need to lower your expectations of what rookies contribute. If they light it up their rookie year, that is a bonus not an expectation.
We have seen good things from Jones, Lawrence and even Baker.
We are talking about the team, not the individual. Successful teams need plus performance from all levels. Take a look around and see if those teams with underperforming high draft picks are at the top or bottom of their division.