Officials decided to change the game in 4th quarter

You used to shave points for pee football, making a little side money?

In comment 14664558 LawrenceTaylor56 said:

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You used to shave points for pee football, making a little side money?

Pee wee*

The Giants are a loser ball club. The players stink and the coaching stinks and the Cowboys are a superior team.

...I thought the first challenge was worth it because you were facing 3rd and 10 with that pass rush and our pass protection, plus Shurmur's play calling.

And, I would have challenged the second PI on Baker. Just to make a point, then go off at the press conference lol.......

In comment 14664558 LawrenceTaylor56 said:

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You used to shave points for pee football, making a little side money?

no high school and college

In comment 14664564 Ben in Tampa said:

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The Giants are a loser ball club. The players stink and the coaching stinks and the Cowboys are a superior team.

they did decide shit, game is completely different if that official does not throw the flag

Bad PI against Baker...but game was lost when we settle for FG.

Challenge deflated team....killed momentum

fans can unite to make a difference in what's going on, there's no motivation to change.

Look at the replay system. It is supposed to exist to get bad calls right, but it has been increasingly inconsistently applied - and not just for the PI calls.

The PI calls are a travesty because what the league has done is put a rule in place to address incompetence in a playoff game, but it is a rule that isn't being followed and has made a mockery of the term egregious.

But it isn't just that. There are plays that are mandatory reviews that aren't always getting attention. all scoring plays and turnovers are supposedly reviewed, but I guess the league didn't care to take a second look at the last Jones fumble, or a couple of other plays during the year that were bad calls.

I'm to the point that replay should go. The way it is used today is a bigger problem than if it didn't exist at all. Now, it is just standardized bias.

when everyone else was man? Did the officials whisper "RB dive" every time the Giants got inside the 10?

Good teams win despite bad calls. Bad teams blame the officials.

for PI review. Either a possession indicator or a coin flip.

Either would be more fair and more accurate than the ridiculous PI review process.

In comment 14664576 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 14664564 Ben in Tampa said: Quote: The Giants are a loser ball club. The players stink and the coaching stinks and the Cowboys are a superior team. they did decide shit, game is completely different if that official does not throw the flag

Bad calls get made every week in every game. Some of them do actually decide winners and losers. A bad PI call did not decide the outcome of the game.

Bad football teams lose. Good football teams find a way to: score in the red zone, make a stop, get a turnover, get off the field, kick extra points, convert third downs, etc etc to over singular bad calls

to overcome bad officiating and believe me NFL officiating is the worst it's ever been.

In comment 14664586 mikeinbloomfield said:

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when everyone else was man? Did the officials whisper "RB dive" every time the Giants got inside the 10? Good teams win despite bad calls. Bad teams blame the officials.

that drive would have never happened if they did not throw the bs flag..

go watch the lattiner incomplete down the sideline and the int, both times the dallas dbs grab the giants receiver because they were beat

In comment 14664592 Ben in Tampa said:

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In comment 14664576 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 14664564 Ben in Tampa said: Quote: The Giants are a loser ball club. The players stink and the coaching stinks and the Cowboys are a superior team. they did decide shit, game is completely different if that official does not throw the flag Bad calls get made every week in every game. Some of them do actually decide winners and losers. A bad PI call did not decide the outcome of the game. Bad football teams lose. Good football teams find a way to: score in the red zone, make a stop, get a turnover, get off the field, kick extra points, convert third downs, etc etc to over singular bad calls

and i didnt say it decided the game, i said it CHANGED the game, where did i say the giants win if that pi call is not made?

Had to make sure the spread was covered

nickname is becoming "Baker the touchdown maker"

and that frustrating. They play a shitty brand of football. The officials make it unwatchable by adding their shitty performance on top of a shitty shitcake.

...on a pass that he never would have caught.

I think the officials shouldn’t have called it especially since they didn’t call the Engram PI (which was borderline IMO and challenging it was stupid). But Baker has to be smarter. In that situation don’t give the official ANY reason to throw the flag.

In comment 14664609 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 14664592 Ben in Tampa said: Quote: In comment 14664576 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 14664564 Ben in Tampa said: Quote: The Giants are a loser ball club. The players stink and the coaching stinks and the Cowboys are a superior team. they did decide shit, game is completely different if that official does not throw the flag Bad calls get made every week in every game. Some of them do actually decide winners and losers. A bad PI call did not decide the outcome of the game. Bad football teams lose. Good football teams find a way to: score in the red zone, make a stop, get a turnover, get off the field, kick extra points, convert third downs, etc etc to over singular bad calls and i didnt say it decided the game, i said it CHANGED the game, where did i say the giants win if that pi call is not made?

I hate blaming the refs, but in this instance they changed the game. Dallas was always going to win this game because the giants could not stop their offense if they needed to.

In comment 14664592 Ben in Tampa said:

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In comment 14664576 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 14664564 Ben in Tampa said: Quote: The Giants are a loser ball club. The players stink and the coaching stinks and the Cowboys are a superior team. they did decide shit, game is completely different if that official does not throw the flag Bad calls get made every week in every game. Some of them do actually decide winners and losers. A bad PI call did not decide the outcome of the game. Bad football teams lose. Good football teams find a way to: score in the red zone, make a stop, get a turnover, get off the field, kick extra points, convert third downs, etc etc to over singular bad calls

Yes, they would have punted if not for that bad call. But the Giants had them in 3rd and long and their first round CB got confused about what coverage to play. Good teams overcome bad calls, which are going to happen.

In comment 14664609 nygiants16 said:

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and i didnt say it decided the game, i said it CHANGED the game, where did i say the giants win if that pi call is not made?

and my point is bad calls happen all the time and affect games all the time. The officials didn't secretly decide it was time to ensure a Cowboys win.

Good teams play well enough to overcome it, and bad teams fold. We know what happened.

don't overcome 10-14 point swings.

Why didn't New Orleans win last year? They couldn't overcome a bad call?

People need to stop with the horseshit that bad teams don't overcome bad calls and focus on the point that the bad calls are being made serially, without any attempt to improve the quality. And the league instituted a rule that isn't being followed, making the officiating even worse.

In comment 14664660 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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don't overcome 10-14 point swings. Why didn't New Orleans win last year? They couldn't overcome a bad call? People need to stop with the horseshit that bad teams don't overcome bad calls and focus on the point that the bad calls are being made serially, without any attempt to improve the quality. And the league instituted a rule that isn't being followed, making the officiating even worse.

Two things can be true at once

1. Giants are bad and cannot overcome a bad call
2. Referees directly contributed to a 10-14 point swing in the matter of 5 minutes.

Do the Giants benefit from bad calls against the other teams enough so that we could say it’s all a wash? Kind of like Wheel of Fortune where sooner or later everyone gets a Lose a Turn?

Seems to me it doesn't balance out. Wondering if there is an anti Giant bias with the NFL. If so, seems to be a long standing one. But nah, that’s crazy talk, right?

In comment 14664586 mikeinbloomfield said:

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when everyone else was man? Did the officials whisper "RB dive" every time the Giants got inside the 10? Good teams win despite bad calls. Bad teams blame the officials.

The refs blew a bunch of calls but Giants played bad, shitty football. They played like a 2-7 team.

That was an obvious PI call, went right through his back way early, negating a first and goal at the 4 yard line. Then to top it off, call a bogus PI call on Baker when Dallas would have had to punt from their own 13 yard line. That's a huge swing with 10 minutes to play in the game. Two huge blown calls, both in favor of the same team. Doesn't mean Giants would have won the game if they get both call correct, we'll just never know.

Both players pushing and hand fighting down sidelines. Forward progress never impeded. Crucial stop for Giants in 4th quarter - Hey lets give the Cowboys a first down. Happens every time we play them. When they need a call they get one. Almost makes me suspicious........

In comment 14664586 mikeinbloomfield said:

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when everyone else was man? Did the officials whisper "RB dive" every time the Giants got inside the 10? Good teams win despite bad calls. Bad teams blame the officials.

Not 100% sure that Baker was supposed to be playing man on that play. There are many times when teams play man on one side of the field and a zone on the other. I think that Bethea is a as much the culprit on the Cooper TD as anybody.

It would be a great question for Shurmur today but for some reason I doubt the question will be asked.

those two calls right there. You could feel the monmentum the Giants had in that moment just deflate after the PI. That one call totally changed the game. Probably still would have lost, but we'll never know.

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is knowing a call is wrong, listening to the announcers say the call is wrong, listening to their official in the booth say the call is wrong and yet all of them fully admit that the call won't be changed.

How is that allowed?

It is like saying we all know a team won, but we aren't going to give them a victory. Let's move on to the next game....

are claiming (paraphrased) "it's clearly PI as he went through his back before the ball arrived, but they still won't overturn it". These former officials (and pencil pushers in Blandino's case) always give the benefit of the doubt to their former colleagues and try their best to justify borderline calls. But they can't even defend this garbage anymore.

to blame the outcome on the officiating. There are bad calls in every game. Will Hernandez could have easily gotten penalized several times for his antics, but he didn't get penalized once. Do the Cowboys then go on to lose and say that the non-calls on Will Hernandez was the reason?

Refs are human, and they are trying their best. Blown calls are part of the game. As Giants fans, we remember the ones that hurt our team most, but they occur on both sides.

Both things can be true

In comment 14664866 Eric from BBI said:

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NFL has a problem. Even Troy Aikman recognizes it. Troy Aikman @TroyAikman · 11h Our league has a lot to address this offseason as consumer confidence continues to wane

I wonder if he has some unique information available to him or if he's just trying to sound smart.

I mean absolutely love it. I grew up playing lots of sports, baseball, basketball, football, hockey, volleyball, racquetball, golf, etc. The game I played the most was always basketball. I absolutely loved the game, but the NBA was ruined (for me) during the Jordan era. I'm not sure when it changed entirely, but it was during the Jordan era when I started hearing broadcasters in the middle of the game making excuses for bad calls ("you can't make that call on Jordan in that moment in this arena", "that's a make-up call", etc.). I just couldn't enjoy it at all.

I'm a far cry from giving up on football. It's my favorite sport of all. But the things I've started to hear this year are creepily reminiscent ("that's clearly pass-interference but I don't think they will overturn it") and the reaction I'm having to it is similar. It's really hurting my interest.

Obviously, the Giants having a bad team right now doesn't help, but it's just so hard to accept how the game is being officiated.

Not sure this will end well for me and the NFL.