I don't know if this is or isn't true - but what I do know, is that John Mara may be the biggest obstacle the Giants have right now. Which, is why simply firing Shurmur and Gettleman may not be the answer here.
Don't get me wrong; Pat Shurmur has been terrible. He deserves to be fired. Gettleman has been a mixed bag. You can point to some good stuff, you can point to some 'eh' - and you can definitely point to some bad.
If John Mara is the one who is hiring the coaches, we're in even deeper shit than I thought because guess what... all that means is that he's picking the next guy, too. Why should we have any confidence Shurmur's successor will be better when he's really not much better than McAdoo (if at all) ?
Gettleman shouldn't be absolved entirely here, but the fact that John and Chris Mara are still at the top of this food chain gives me just about zero confidence in a fix coming any time soon.
I don't think either guy really has any idea what they're doing or looking for.
So what you're saying is if Gettleman didn't want Shurmur Â
Is that Mara will make the next coaching hire as well, whenever that is. He’s hired McAdoo and Shurmur so far, can’t say I have much confidence he’ll get the next one right.
It’s one hell of a competition for worst owner in New York I’ll say that.
both Shurmur and Bettcher can go if you ask me.
The defense routinely has blown assignments on a weekly basis, and the coach looks like he is in over his head.
I have been trying to give Shurmur the benefit of the doubt, but it is increasingly hard to do so.
...which would have been by extension of Wellington rather than John.
I believe Wellington and EA were eye to eye on Coughlin and probably made that call in concert.
Not sure who made this one, but it's definitely clear that John Mara isn't much of a football guy. Right now, he's just the son of the real owner - who is no longer with us.
Gettleman is hear in the first place, is that after the
McAdoo fiasco...Mara wanted somebody he knew he had a comfort level in, hence DG.
I think DG will get a longer leash than Shurmur. Lets not kid ourselves though,
they both wanted Shurmur. It wasn't one or the other.
The amount of failed HC hirings in this league is overwhelming. Hard to make that a Mara issue. He struck out twice now, but if you listened to the fans here:
-Fire Coughlin for Weis in 2006
-Fire Coughlin in 2010
-Hire Adam Gase
-Hire Hue Jackson, etc.
I also don’t know if you were joking about Accorsi wanting Coughlin, but if you read his book it was clear that was a Wellington hire.
John Mara deserves credit for keeping Coughlin after 2006 & 2010.
...which would have been by extension of Wellington rather than John.
I believe Wellington and EA were eye to eye on Coughlin and probably made that call in concert.
Not sure who made this one, but it's definitely clear that John Mara isn't much of a football guy. Right now, he's just the son of the real owner - who is no longer with us.
I remember pretty clearly that Coughlin wasn not an Accorsi guy. In addition, do people remember the candidates available when they hired Shurmur?
people complaining about Mara/Tisch and Jints central when TC lead the Giants to two Super Bowls.
TC was the ultimate Jints hire - and it worked like a champ.
They went back to the well and it didn't work (at least not right away). That doesn't make them bad owners.
wellington mara hired coughlin and went against everyone to hire him
I'm not buying that. I know that Saban was the organization's first choice - but Saban passed on the Giants.
The way I remember it (and a quick google search kinda confirmed it) was that after Fassel was fired, the entire front office wanted a task master to come in and clean up. Saban and TC certainly fit that bill.
Plus Wellington Mara was 88 when TC was hired - I'm not sure he was pulling the strings on every decision like some here would say.
It is a group decision, and Gettleman is involved in the interview and decision-making process. Now I'm sure that Mara has final call if they can't all come to an agreement, but unless we know that was the case, we have no idea who pulled the trigger on Shurmur.
The amount of failed HC hirings in this league is overwhelming. Hard to make that a Mara issue. He struck out twice now, but if you listened to the fans here:
-Fire Coughlin for Weis in 2006
-Fire Coughlin in 2010
-Hire Adam Gase
-Hire Hue Jackson, etc.
I also don’t know if you were joking about Accorsi wanting Coughlin, but if you read his book it was clear that was a Wellington hire.
John Mara deserves credit for keeping Coughlin after 2006 & 2010.
I didn't read the book - but I always assumed Accorsi was on board with Coughlin. He did interview him, didn't he? Perhaps I'm misremembering.
Anyway... I wanted nothing to do with Adam Gase or Hue Jackson.
Holding onto Coughlin after a 10 win 2010 or a playoff year in 2006 even though we finished 8-8 shouldn't really instill a ton of confidence in Mara's decision making.
After all, he's the same owner who spinelessly forced the same Tom Coughlin out of his position years later, was he not?
I have zero faith in John Mara. No one here should. I don't think he has any clue what it takes to build a successful football team in 2019.
I don't know if this is or isn't true - but what I do know, is that John Mara may be the biggest obstacle the Giants have right now. Which, is why simply firing Shurmur and Gettleman may not be the answer here.
Don't get me wrong; Pat Shurmur has been terrible. He deserves to be fired. Gettleman has been a mixed bag. You can point to some good stuff, you can point to some 'eh' - and you can definitely point to some bad.
If John Mara is the one who is hiring the coaches, we're in even deeper shit than I thought because guess what... all that means is that he's picking the next guy, too. Why should we have any confidence Shurmur's successor will be better when he's really not much better than McAdoo (if at all) ?
Gettleman shouldn't be absolved entirely here, but the fact that John and Chris Mara are still at the top of this food chain gives me just about zero confidence in a fix coming any time soon.
I don't think either guy really has any idea what they're doing or looking for.
Mara is easily the biggest obstacle. Eli and his salary are on the books because of Mara, IMO.
people complaining about Mara/Tisch and Jints central when TC lead the Giants to two Super Bowls.
TC was the ultimate Jints hire - and it worked like a champ.
They went back to the well and it didn't work (at least not right away). That doesn't make them bad owners.
wellington mara hired coughlin and went against everyone to hire him
I'm not buying that. I know that Saban was the organization's first choice - but Saban passed on the Giants.
The way I remember it (and a quick google search kinda confirmed it) was that after Fassel was fired, the entire front office wanted a task master to come in and clean up. Saban and TC certainly fit that bill.
Plus Wellington Mara was 88 when TC was hired - I'm not sure he was pulling the strings on every decision like some here would say.
Accorsi himself said coughlin was wellington's call and he did not want coughlin
I don't know if this is or isn't true - but what I do know, is that John Mara may be the biggest obstacle the Giants have right now. Which, is why simply firing Shurmur and Gettleman may not be the answer here.
Don't get me wrong; Pat Shurmur has been terrible. He deserves to be fired. Gettleman has been a mixed bag. You can point to some good stuff, you can point to some 'eh' - and you can definitely point to some bad.
If John Mara is the one who is hiring the coaches, we're in even deeper shit than I thought because guess what... all that means is that he's picking the next guy, too. Why should we have any confidence Shurmur's successor will be better when he's really not much better than McAdoo (if at all) ?
Gettleman shouldn't be absolved entirely here, but the fact that John and Chris Mara are still at the top of this food chain gives me just about zero confidence in a fix coming any time soon.
I don't think either guy really has any idea what they're doing or looking for.
If I owned an NFL team, I would pick the GM. Someone I put my faith in. Allow the GM to make coaching decisions unless I was a "football guy" for many years. Maybe Mara sees himself as a football guy. If so, his company won't have much success.
said it after the fact - which would make total sense. But all I could find after a quick google search was this article.
I will say - he comments reek of a guy that was told to hire someone he didn't want.
So maybe you're right. Link - ( New Window )
I just remembered Accorsi saying when they introduced Coughlin that he was the guy they wanted for 11 years or something like that.
I think the other guys were interviewed were Crennel, Weis and Lovie. Not sure if EA wanted one of them more than Coughlin, my memory from 15 years ago is a bit foggy.
said it after the fact - which would make total sense. But all I could find after a quick google search was this article.
I will say - he comments reek of a guy that was told to hire someone he didn't want.
So maybe you're right. Link - ( New Window )
I just remembered Accorsi saying when they introduced Coughlin that he was the guy they wanted for 11 years or something like that.
I think the other guys were interviewed were Crennel, Weis and Lovie. Not sure if EA wanted one of them more than Coughlin, my memory from 15 years ago is a bit foggy.
said it after the fact - which would make total sense. But all I could find after a quick google search was this article.
I will say - he comments reek of a guy that was told to hire someone he didn't want.
So maybe you're right. Link - ( New Window )
I just remembered Accorsi saying when they introduced Coughlin that he was the guy they wanted for 11 years or something like that.
I think the other guys were interviewed were Crennel, Weis and Lovie. Not sure if EA wanted one of them more than Coughlin, my memory from 15 years ago is a bit foggy.
Accorsi wanted Saban, Mara wanted Coughlin..
I'm pretty sure Saban passed on the Giants - if memory serves correctly - not the other way around.
out of curiosity who is the next Mara in line to take over John's role Â
here are completely off base. Gettleman was 100% involved in the decision to hire Shurmur. Mara brought on Ernie Accorsi to assist in the GM hire BEFORE they interviewed any coaches. That wasn't an accident or coincidence. Then Gettleman was in all the coach interviews as well and was intimately involved in the decision making process. Mara isn't hiring a GM to as the be all end all for football decisions. But Gettleman was 100% involved in the decision to hire Shurmur and he will be involved in the decision to fire Shurmur if and when it happens.
why are people still talking about him?
In case you have forgotten, they didn't make the playoffs
his last four years here, just saying.
Exactly. This really pisses me off to. The guy was 22-34 from week 9 of 2012 until he was let go in 2015. He should of been fired after 2014 and got another year. He missed the playoffs 4 years in a row and had 3 straight losing season and people say he should of never been let go... I am starting to see in with Eli to.. people are saying how they should put him back in smh
I don't know if this is or isn't true - but what I do know, is that John Mara may be the biggest obstacle the Giants have right now. Which, is why simply firing Shurmur and Gettleman may not be the answer here.
Don't get me wrong; Pat Shurmur has been terrible. He deserves to be fired. Gettleman has been a mixed bag. You can point to some good stuff, you can point to some 'eh' - and you can definitely point to some bad.
If John Mara is the one who is hiring the coaches, we're in even deeper shit than I thought because guess what... all that means is that he's picking the next guy, too. Why should we have any confidence Shurmur's successor will be better when he's really not much better than McAdoo (if at all) ?
Gettleman shouldn't be absolved entirely here, but the fact that John and Chris Mara are still at the top of this food chain gives me just about zero confidence in a fix coming any time soon.
I don't think either guy really has any idea what they're doing or looking for.
It is really difficult to see who is making the decisions. This seems to have gotten worse post 2011 Super Bowl team imo.
John Mara is publicly on record that his father hired Coughlin. Accorsi wanted no part of Coughlin and pretty much quit when the Giant wouldn't fire him. Read his book.
The OP is correct the Mara's usually hire the coaches. Wellington hired all the post Allie Sherman coaches until George Young hired Perkins and Parcells. But the Mara's wouldn't let him him fire Parcells after 1983. Young hired the coach after Parcells too and Fassel. Dan Reeves was hired by Wellington after several people Young wanted turned down the job.
Unless the Tisch family has the will and/or the power to do something about it the Mara's will continue to run the entire football program and boy do they suck at it.
I agree. I think he wanted Welly wanted him for a long time and he was from the Parcells tree. Ernie I think would have preferred Saban but was over-ruled.
in 2005. The Giants have won two Super Bowls under his co-ownership.
That's as many as Wellington won in 38 years.
Wellington also was owner during some really tough times in Giants history.
History shows that when it comes to sports, for most franchises, it's all peaks and valleys - and we in a valley and have been for a while now.
great points. I still laugh when people mention Wellington like he is some kind of saint. He ran the team into the ground upon his brother Jacks death, fought with his nephew on how to run the team and after 15 years of futility he had to have the league step(the Knicks should be so lucky) in to have any success. His success came after he realized that there are smarter football people than him and THEY should run the team(kinda like Steinbrenner was FORCED to learn that same thing in the early 90's). Tim, his son, doesn't seem to be interfering and seems to have the right intentions, he just doesn't have good luck, good instincts and or good knowledge. Not sure how many owners I'd rather have. Just need to get some decisions right.
even though it worked out great, was still emblamatic of how the Giants operate - only hire guys they know.
Yup. They wanted coughlin after the 92 season and he choose Boston college over the giant job. They hired Fassel in 97 who was on the handleys staff in 91 and 92
in 2005. The Giants have won two Super Bowls under his co-ownership.
That's as many as Wellington won in 38 years.
Wellington also was owner during some really tough times in Giants history.
History shows that when it comes to sports, for most franchises, it's all peaks and valleys - and we in a valley and have been for a while now.
Come on......TC was almost totally responsible for the 2004-2012 run. If anything, I think Reese/Ross influenced Mara starting around 2012 that created this mess.
Don't get me wrong; Pat Shurmur has been terrible. He deserves to be fired. Gettleman has been a mixed bag. You can point to some good stuff, you can point to some 'eh' - and you can definitely point to some bad.
If John Mara is the one who is hiring the coaches, we're in even deeper shit than I thought because guess what... all that means is that he's picking the next guy, too. Why should we have any confidence Shurmur's successor will be better when he's really not much better than McAdoo (if at all) ?
Gettleman shouldn't be absolved entirely here, but the fact that John and Chris Mara are still at the top of this food chain gives me just about zero confidence in a fix coming any time soon.
I don't think either guy really has any idea what they're doing or looking for.
Yes, Mara is going to hire who he wants to hire...
It’s one hell of a competition for worst owner in New York I’ll say that.
TC was the ultimate Jints hire - and it worked like a champ.
They went back to the well and it didn't work (at least not right away). That doesn't make them bad owners.
Wellington Mara
The defense routinely has blown assignments on a weekly basis, and the coach looks like he is in over his head.
I have been trying to give Shurmur the benefit of the doubt, but it is increasingly hard to do so.
Not at that point in time.
That would be totally undermining your brand spanking new GM.
Gettleman is responsible for Shurmur.
Mara is responsible for Gettleman.
Probably Accorsi.
TC was the ultimate Jints hire - and it worked like a champ.
They went back to the well and it didn't work (at least not right away). That doesn't make them bad owners.
wellington mara hired coughlin and went against everyone to hire him
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Probably Accorsi.
...which would have been by extension of Wellington rather than John.
I believe Wellington and EA were eye to eye on Coughlin and probably made that call in concert.
Not sure who made this one, but it's definitely clear that John Mara isn't much of a football guy. Right now, he's just the son of the real owner - who is no longer with us.
McAdoo fiasco...Mara wanted somebody he knew he had a comfort level in, hence DG.
I think DG will get a longer leash than Shurmur. Lets not kid ourselves though,
they both wanted Shurmur. It wasn't one or the other.
-Fire Coughlin for Weis in 2006
-Fire Coughlin in 2010
-Hire Adam Gase
-Hire Hue Jackson, etc.
I also don’t know if you were joking about Accorsi wanting Coughlin, but if you read his book it was clear that was a Wellington hire.
John Mara deserves credit for keeping Coughlin after 2006 & 2010.
Not at that point in time.
That would be totally undermining your brand spanking new GM.
Gettleman is responsible for Shurmur.
Gettleman isn't hiring Mr. X unless Mara Tisch say hire mr X.
Mara is responsible for Gettleman.
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Probably Accorsi.
...which would have been by extension of Wellington rather than John.
I believe Wellington and EA were eye to eye on Coughlin and probably made that call in concert.
Not sure who made this one, but it's definitely clear that John Mara isn't much of a football guy. Right now, he's just the son of the real owner - who is no longer with us.
I remember pretty clearly that Coughlin wasn not an Accorsi guy. In addition, do people remember the candidates available when they hired Shurmur?
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people complaining about Mara/Tisch and Jints central when TC lead the Giants to two Super Bowls.
TC was the ultimate Jints hire - and it worked like a champ.
They went back to the well and it didn't work (at least not right away). That doesn't make them bad owners.
wellington mara hired coughlin and went against everyone to hire him
I'm not buying that. I know that Saban was the organization's first choice - but Saban passed on the Giants.
The way I remember it (and a quick google search kinda confirmed it) was that after Fassel was fired, the entire front office wanted a task master to come in and clean up. Saban and TC certainly fit that bill.
Plus Wellington Mara was 88 when TC was hired - I'm not sure he was pulling the strings on every decision like some here would say.
In case you have forgotten, they didn't make the playoffs
his last four years here, just saying.
TC was the ultimate Jints hire - and it worked like a champ.
They went back to the well and it didn't work (at least not right away). That doesn't make them bad owners.
That was Wellington, not his buffoon son Fredo.
In that order.
-Fire Coughlin for Weis in 2006
-Fire Coughlin in 2010
-Hire Adam Gase
-Hire Hue Jackson, etc.
I also don’t know if you were joking about Accorsi wanting Coughlin, but if you read his book it was clear that was a Wellington hire.
John Mara deserves credit for keeping Coughlin after 2006 & 2010.
I didn't read the book - but I always assumed Accorsi was on board with Coughlin. He did interview him, didn't he? Perhaps I'm misremembering.
Anyway... I wanted nothing to do with Adam Gase or Hue Jackson.
Holding onto Coughlin after a 10 win 2010 or a playoff year in 2006 even though we finished 8-8 shouldn't really instill a ton of confidence in Mara's decision making.
After all, he's the same owner who spinelessly forced the same Tom Coughlin out of his position years later, was he not?
I have zero faith in John Mara. No one here should. I don't think he has any clue what it takes to build a successful football team in 2019.
Don't get me wrong; Pat Shurmur has been terrible. He deserves to be fired. Gettleman has been a mixed bag. You can point to some good stuff, you can point to some 'eh' - and you can definitely point to some bad.
If John Mara is the one who is hiring the coaches, we're in even deeper shit than I thought because guess what... all that means is that he's picking the next guy, too. Why should we have any confidence Shurmur's successor will be better when he's really not much better than McAdoo (if at all) ?
Gettleman shouldn't be absolved entirely here, but the fact that John and Chris Mara are still at the top of this food chain gives me just about zero confidence in a fix coming any time soon.
I don't think either guy really has any idea what they're doing or looking for.
Mara is easily the biggest obstacle. Eli and his salary are on the books because of Mara, IMO.
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people complaining about Mara/Tisch and Jints central when TC lead the Giants to two Super Bowls.
TC was the ultimate Jints hire - and it worked like a champ.
They went back to the well and it didn't work (at least not right away). That doesn't make them bad owners.
wellington mara hired coughlin and went against everyone to hire him
I'm not buying that. I know that Saban was the organization's first choice - but Saban passed on the Giants.
The way I remember it (and a quick google search kinda confirmed it) was that after Fassel was fired, the entire front office wanted a task master to come in and clean up. Saban and TC certainly fit that bill.
Plus Wellington Mara was 88 when TC was hired - I'm not sure he was pulling the strings on every decision like some here would say.
Accorsi himself said coughlin was wellington's call and he did not want coughlin
John Mara deserves credit for keeping Coughlin after 2006 & 2010.
Why? They were a WC in 2006, and won 10 games in 2010 (and were only 3 years off of a SB win).
I will say - he comments reek of a guy that was told to hire someone he didn't want.
So maybe you're right.
Link - ( New Window )
Don't get me wrong; Pat Shurmur has been terrible. He deserves to be fired. Gettleman has been a mixed bag. You can point to some good stuff, you can point to some 'eh' - and you can definitely point to some bad.
If John Mara is the one who is hiring the coaches, we're in even deeper shit than I thought because guess what... all that means is that he's picking the next guy, too. Why should we have any confidence Shurmur's successor will be better when he's really not much better than McAdoo (if at all) ?
Gettleman shouldn't be absolved entirely here, but the fact that John and Chris Mara are still at the top of this food chain gives me just about zero confidence in a fix coming any time soon.
I don't think either guy really has any idea what they're doing or looking for.
If I owned an NFL team, I would pick the GM. Someone I put my faith in. Allow the GM to make coaching decisions unless I was a "football guy" for many years. Maybe Mara sees himself as a football guy. If so, his company won't have much success.
I will say - he comments reek of a guy that was told to hire someone he didn't want.
So maybe you're right. Link - ( New Window )
I just remembered Accorsi saying when they introduced Coughlin that he was the guy they wanted for 11 years or something like that.
I think the other guys were interviewed were Crennel, Weis and Lovie. Not sure if EA wanted one of them more than Coughlin, my memory from 15 years ago is a bit foggy.
What happened to run the ball, stop the run, rush the passer?
I'm waiting!
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John Mara deserves credit for keeping Coughlin after 2006 & 2010.
Why? They were a WC in 2006, and won 10 games in 2010 (and were only 3 years off of a SB win).
I’m guessing you didn’t read BBI in January of 2007. Mara was killed for keeping Coughlin.
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said it after the fact - which would make total sense. But all I could find after a quick google search was this article.
I will say - he comments reek of a guy that was told to hire someone he didn't want.
So maybe you're right. Link - ( New Window )
I just remembered Accorsi saying when they introduced Coughlin that he was the guy they wanted for 11 years or something like that.
I think the other guys were interviewed were Crennel, Weis and Lovie. Not sure if EA wanted one of them more than Coughlin, my memory from 15 years ago is a bit foggy.
Accorsi wanted Saban, Mara wanted Coughlin..
That's as many as Wellington won in 38 years.
Wellington also was owner during some really tough times in Giants history.
History shows that when it comes to sports, for most franchises, it's all peaks and valleys - and we in a valley and have been for a while now.
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said it after the fact - which would make total sense. But all I could find after a quick google search was this article.
I will say - he comments reek of a guy that was told to hire someone he didn't want.
So maybe you're right. Link - ( New Window )
I just remembered Accorsi saying when they introduced Coughlin that he was the guy they wanted for 11 years or something like that.
I think the other guys were interviewed were Crennel, Weis and Lovie. Not sure if EA wanted one of them more than Coughlin, my memory from 15 years ago is a bit foggy.
Accorsi wanted Saban, Mara wanted Coughlin..
I'm pretty sure Saban passed on the Giants - if memory serves correctly - not the other way around.
TC was the ultimate Jints hire - and it worked like a champ.
They went back to the well and it didn't work (at least not right away). That doesn't make them bad owners.
People weren’t complaining about Wellington in the late 60s either. Then the 15 shitty years followed.
Mara means well but he’s made so many terrible decisions lately.
In case you have forgotten, they didn't make the playoffs
his last four years here, just saying.
Exactly. This really pisses me off to. The guy was 22-34 from week 9 of 2012 until he was let go in 2015. He should of been fired after 2014 and got another year. He missed the playoffs 4 years in a row and had 3 straight losing season and people say he should of never been let go... I am starting to see in with Eli to.. people are saying how they should put him back in smh
Don't get me wrong; Pat Shurmur has been terrible. He deserves to be fired. Gettleman has been a mixed bag. You can point to some good stuff, you can point to some 'eh' - and you can definitely point to some bad.
If John Mara is the one who is hiring the coaches, we're in even deeper shit than I thought because guess what... all that means is that he's picking the next guy, too. Why should we have any confidence Shurmur's successor will be better when he's really not much better than McAdoo (if at all) ?
Gettleman shouldn't be absolved entirely here, but the fact that John and Chris Mara are still at the top of this food chain gives me just about zero confidence in a fix coming any time soon.
I don't think either guy really has any idea what they're doing or looking for.
It is really difficult to see who is making the decisions. This seems to have gotten worse post 2011 Super Bowl team imo.
The OP is correct the Mara's usually hire the coaches. Wellington hired all the post Allie Sherman coaches until George Young hired Perkins and Parcells. But the Mara's wouldn't let him him fire Parcells after 1983. Young hired the coach after Parcells too and Fassel. Dan Reeves was hired by Wellington after several people Young wanted turned down the job.
Unless the Tisch family has the will and/or the power to do something about it the Mara's will continue to run the entire football program and boy do they suck at it.
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I agree. I think he wanted Welly wanted him for a long time and he was from the Parcells tree. Ernie I think would have preferred Saban but was over-ruled.
That's as many as Wellington won in 38 years.
Wellington also was owner during some really tough times in Giants history.
History shows that when it comes to sports, for most franchises, it's all peaks and valleys - and we in a valley and have been for a while now.
great points. I still laugh when people mention Wellington like he is some kind of saint. He ran the team into the ground upon his brother Jacks death, fought with his nephew on how to run the team and after 15 years of futility he had to have the league step(the Knicks should be so lucky) in to have any success. His success came after he realized that there are smarter football people than him and THEY should run the team(kinda like Steinbrenner was FORCED to learn that same thing in the early 90's). Tim, his son, doesn't seem to be interfering and seems to have the right intentions, he just doesn't have good luck, good instincts and or good knowledge. Not sure how many owners I'd rather have. Just need to get some decisions right.
Yup. They wanted coughlin after the 92 season and he choose Boston college over the giant job. They hired Fassel in 97 who was on the handleys staff in 91 and 92
That's as many as Wellington won in 38 years.
Wellington also was owner during some really tough times in Giants history.
History shows that when it comes to sports, for most franchises, it's all peaks and valleys - and we in a valley and have been for a while now.
Come on......TC was almost totally responsible for the 2004-2012 run. If anything, I think Reese/Ross influenced Mara starting around 2012 that created this mess.