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Evan Engram

Chris684 : 11/5/2019 9:34 am
What is going on here?

Obviously the physical talent is obvious. Had a huge opening week. Looked like a physical freak racing down the sideline on the TD after the half in TB.

Something is not clicking. Is he being asked to block more? Is he hurt? Jason Witten's corpse matched/exceeded his production last night.

We hold him out of preseason entirely. Apparently he's untouchable at the deadline even though there seemed to be a market for him and yet we're more than halfway through year 3 without much impact after a promising rookie season.
Mr. Potential  
gmenatlarge : 11/5/2019 9:38 am : link
we just never see it on the field
He's a fantastic receiver...  
Dinger : 11/5/2019 9:39 am : link
when his hands work. But his blocking just isn't improving. I like his personality character and fire. I think you keep him but can we move him out to WR. Let him do any of the blocking he does downfield.
He's not physical  
family progtitioner : 11/5/2019 9:39 am : link
at all. He's basically a big WR. They should line him up out wide all the time or not at all
on 2 separate 3rd and goals  
GiantsRage2007 : 11/5/2019 9:40 am : link
We take him out. Then we pass the ball. I don't get it... if you pull him out to bring in a better blocker or another OL cause you're going to run.. ok, maybe I get it... but you pull him out on 3rd and goal? At least 2 times I saw it. To bring in? who? Fowler? Latimer? Good God.
Lining him up  
moaltch : 11/5/2019 9:42 am : link
as a WR wont help. He wont be able to separate vs. corners. Whatever physicality he has, needs to be maximized, with his speed, at the TE position.
Sorry about my obviously redundant  
Chris684 : 11/5/2019 9:44 am : link
sentence there.

Not much sleep last night as I'm sure you all can relate.
Disappointing, sure. But...  
g-baby : 11/5/2019 9:47 am : link
we have a head coach in Shurmur who is either incapable or refuses to scheme around his best players. The guy has no idea how to feature Barkley or Engram.

Put Engram in motion, split him out wide, have him run routes of the backfield, etc. Engram has basically 2 routes in this playbook -- drag and hitch.

And don't get me started on the Barkley usage. Running shurmur's zone scheme into a wall of cowboys last night wasn't the answer. I'm screaming at them to line up and run power. The one time they did it should have been a 10+ yard gain but Ellison blew his block and it was no gain. So of course genius-brain Shurmur gave up on it.

This guy cannot be gone soon enough.
RE: He's a fantastic receiver...  
Giantology : 11/5/2019 9:47 am : link
In comment 14664697 Dinger said:
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when his hands work. But his blocking just isn't improving. I like his personality character and fire. I think you keep him but can we move him out to WR. Let him do any of the blocking he does downfield.


His blocking is night and day from year 1. He still struggles with consistency but give him some credit.
too soft, imo for the TE position  
Dave : 11/5/2019 9:49 am : link
.
Not using him right  
richinpa : 11/5/2019 9:50 am : link

agree with many here. Its how we are using him

You have to get him on LBs....that is scheme...chess match.

And it was funny how the announcers were saying it was Evan Engram time in the red zone and he gets taken out again

good play calling. Lets see if Benny Fowler can get separation inside the 10!
If he went  
mrvax : 11/5/2019 9:52 am : link
to a good team, his numbers would be great.
Engram  
Archer : 11/5/2019 9:53 am : link
I don't know if you could see on the television, but, Engram was jogging back to the line when the Giants went to a no huddle offense.

Jones had to wait for him a couple of times.

Is this bad attitude, lack of understanding the situation, or is he injured?

it's a combo of coach and player  
GiantsFan84 : 11/5/2019 10:01 am : link
he's not being used right. if all we want is for a TE to run 6 yards over the middle and turn around, we can find anyone to do that and trade engram

at the same time though i feel like he is more of an athlete than football player
He had more separation last night  
Metnut : 11/5/2019 10:05 am : link
than most of our WRs. Yes, he has blocking issues, but the bigger issues are that our OL is still awful despite our GM bringing in his "hog mollies" and our coaching staff can't even effectively use Saquon Barkley. I'd like to see Engram play with a real coach for once before burying him.
The fact that Witten with his age and speed  
Danny Dimes : 11/5/2019 10:06 am : link
Could get more production, I bet if Engram was playing for Dallas he would easily burn this entire defense.
RE: RE: He's a fantastic receiver...  
Dinger : 11/5/2019 10:07 am : link
In comment 14664730 Giantology said:
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In comment 14664697 Dinger said:


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when his hands work. But his blocking just isn't improving. I like his personality character and fire. I think you keep him but can we move him out to WR. Let him do any of the blocking he does downfield.



His blocking is night and day from year 1. He still struggles with consistency but give him some credit.


Well then it ws a pretty damn dark night cause it still seems like dusk at best;)
Saquon and Engram  
Tim in VA : 11/5/2019 10:07 am : link
are suffering from a phenomenon known as misutilization
A smart HC would use what he does well  
arniefez : 11/5/2019 10:08 am : link
and hide what he doesn't. The Giants have a HC who is incompetent.
Barkley is a different story  
arniefez : 11/5/2019 10:10 am : link
he's turning into a .200 hitter who strikes out 200 times but hits 30 HRs. That might be on the HC too but it might be too late to correct.
Where is this fantastic receiver stuff  
mittenedman : 11/5/2019 10:11 am : link
coming from?

To my eye he's effective on a few underneath routes - the square in/square out, dig and crossing route.

He can't get downfield at all and he's almost nonexistent on fades and 50/50's.

And linebackers beat the tar out of him over the middle just like Jordan Reed. They've tried to get him the ball inside the 10 he just doesn't finish.
RE: He's not physical  
Carson53 : 11/5/2019 10:13 am : link
In comment 14664698 family progtitioner said:
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at all. He's basically a big WR. They should line him up out wide all the time or not at all
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He is kinda soft out there. Should have moved him at the
deadline if you ask me.
RE: Saquon and Engram  
jgambrosio : 11/5/2019 10:14 am : link
In comment 14664802 Tim in VA said:
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are suffering from a phenomenon known as misutilization


This. Taking him out in critical red zone and 3rd down passing situations is just bad management by shurmur.
He was, is , and always will be a tweener  
averagejoe : 11/5/2019 10:19 am : link
Not smooth enough to be a WR and not tough enough to be a TE. He drops balls, can't block, and is a poor route runner.He does have great size and speed that other teams may be able to utilize but Giants have not found a way. He is what he is- a guy that will occasionally make a big play but will mostly be unproductive.
Our coaching staff  
Kyle in NY : 11/5/2019 10:20 am : link
has no clue how to utilize our best players. This includes Engram.

The game management issues are just a given at this point with Shurmur. But where is the creative play caller that we saw take Case Keenum to an NFC Title game? The red zone possessions were downright embarrassing and they have no clue what to do with Barkley either
He was wide open in the endzone  
rasbutant : 11/5/2019 10:25 am : link
on and incomplete pass up the middle that was tight coverage.
defenses have been all over him the last few weeks  
mfsd : 11/5/2019 10:28 am : link
for obvious reasons...he's our only top-end talent receiver
Engram's a perfect example of whats wrong with the team  
Biteymax22 : 11/5/2019 10:28 am : link
Super talented player, probably the fastest TE in football and can be used as an absolute match up nightmare.

Think about how the team uses him, then think about how good coaches like Andy Reid and Bill Belichek would use him. My guess is that your immediate thought was "he'd be a star playing for those guys", and he probably would.

Engram disappears and has lack lust games because our coaching staff has no clue how to use him. He's a Ferrari in the garage of a new driver.

And let's not kid ourselves, he's not the only one on the roster in this situation.
They keep pulling him  
phil in arizona : 11/5/2019 10:34 am : link
on crucial 3rd downs. That's when he should be the money guy.
RE: Engram's a perfect example of whats wrong with the team  
Spider56 : 11/5/2019 10:35 am : link
In comment 14664855 Biteymax22 said:
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Super talented player, probably the fastest TE in football and can be used as an absolute match up nightmare.

Think about how the team uses him, then think about how good coaches like Andy Reid and Bill Belichek would use him. My guess is that your immediate thought was "he'd be a star playing for those guys", and he probably would.

Engram disappears and has lack lust games because our coaching staff
has no clue how to use him. He's a Ferrari in the garage of a new driver.

And let's not kid ourselves, he's not the only one on the roster in this situation.



Fully agree ... he should never be asked to block at the LOS, especially against someone like Lawrence. He needs to play off the line, get the ball in space, on the move, etc...
Engram  
stretch234 : 11/5/2019 10:57 am : link
He is a receiving TE threat, that this coaching staff seems unable to figure out how to best use. How does he come off the field on 3rd down passing plays - truly baffling

I am tired of hearing about his blocking - the Chiefs send Kelce into the pattern almost every play, the Eagles do the same thing with Ertz as do other teams with pass catching TE. This team does not utilize him as a weapon to pressure defenses

Utilizing him on the 5 yard curl pattern is not the best use of his talents
He is not really a TE  
Vanzetti : 11/5/2019 11:39 am : link
Canít block and itís not lack of effort he just doesnít have a TE body. Look at him
next to Witten: itís s tree vs a sapling

Maybe a better coaching staff could figure out how to better utilize his talents. But right now, does the offense really look better with him in
there? Not really


Its the coaches  
KWALL2 : 11/5/2019 11:48 am : link
not this player.

Its clear as day hes a mismatch advantage. But they don't use it which is amazing since we don't have any mismatches at WR or other TE.

The team sucks too. This doesn't help his "production".

Engram is a very good player and not being used right. Moving forard, we must improve the OL and upgrade the WRs.

He was discussed around the trade deadline  
Diver_Down : 11/5/2019 1:05 pm : link
regarding what he is as a player and what we have to commit to in the future. He isn't the "match-up nightmare" that everyone proclaims. He gives great effort with blocking, but he still sucks. He is a a pass-catching TE. He isn't a WR despite BBI's off-season plan to move him out there.

If a player is going to be one dimensional, then they better be great. Evan is not a great player. With DG not considering trading him, then you have to assume that his 5th year option will be picked up in May. $8.5M guaranteed. If an extension isn't worked out to avoid that cap hit, then we are looking at extending him with a minimum guarantee of $19M (5th year option and FT for TE is $10.5M). His agent knows the guaranteed money and that will be the starting point in contract negotiations.

Now, one has to ask is 750 yards and 6 TDs per year (rookie year and this year he is on the same pace) worth a contract that he will looking for?
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