That hits upon the issue many here have been talking about today:
| There are losses that resonate with seismic impact. The sight of an empty stadium and rampant apathy following the Week 2 home loss to the Bills was so appalling to ownership that Shurmur was given the go-ahead to bench icon Eli Manning and replace him with rookie Daniel Jones after two games. Getting beat by the Cardinals coming off a 10-day rest was another home-field loss that got ownership hot and bothered. A prime-time loss to the Cowboys with Jerry Jones cracking wise about the black cat running all over the field at MetLife Stadium is enough to put a hairball in John Mara’s throat. |
I don’t know how plugged in Schwartz is but this doesn’t sound terribly surprising. I assumed that Mara had to give his blessing to move on from Eli this year but had not seen it stated explicitly before this article. Just shows how involved the owner is and how much autonomy the “football people” really have.
Further confirms that it’s all about perception with Mara. The rot starts at the top.
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He is making too many decisions in the moment and not operating strategically. Needs to stop.
You are losing a lot of long time fans, season ticket owners who don't want to show up for the crap we have been seeing since 2011.
he's going no where...sadly.
I hope Mara decides now that Shurmur is done at season's end. And I hope he uses the remaining 9 weeks of the season to convince himself to stay the fuck out of the process of finding a replacement.
Pipe dream, I know.
If they think that is a good idea I fucking hope the Eagles fans that are at that game, boo Eli. Not that I want to see Eli get booed, but so that this inept fucking orginization would be put on national blast actually thinking its a good idea to throw him out there.
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To the Jets would be such a debacle it may cause Shurmur to be fired midseason. I think he’s gone at the end of the year but even that’s not guaranteed.
he's going no where...sadly.
I think this is killing him and yet he has no idea what to do about it anymore it seems.
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To the Jets would be such a debacle it may cause Shurmur to be fired midseason. I think he’s gone at the end of the year but even that’s not guaranteed.
he's going no where...sadly.
if past precedent matters, Handley Reeves Fassel and McAdoo were all fired for two consecutive losing seasons or one/a fraction of one really awful season. So unless he miraculously turns things around he’s out.
Can't fire him at midseason. Take a look at the assistants. Who you gonna replace him with, Tom Quinn?
He should play a recording of himself every year as he's been saying the exact same things for years.
He should play a recording of himself every year as he's been saying the exact same things for years.
A lot of people seem to think that Shurmur for some reason has this long rope to hang himself with. I have no idea why. I'm not saying you're wrong I just have no reason to think he has a long rope. Tom Coughlin, that was a franchise icon coach you're getting rid of. (Same to a totally different extent with Eli). Those decisions are painful, controversial, and often likely to be second guessed if you don't time it right.
Shurmur is NONE 'a that. He's a nobody that I swear no one on this entire board seems to like. No one would care one fig if he got canned 10 minutes from now. He's earned no benefit of the doubt. And historically, McAdoo was bounced after 2 years, why should this be any different?
Not only that, Shurmur's FIRST HC stint with the Browns lasted just two years. Can someone explain the rationale that he's definitely got another year coming, after this mess? Is it really just about DG etc saving face? (I'm not saying you're wrong... really asking...).
I hope Mara decides now that Shurmur is done at season's end. And I hope he uses the remaining 9 weeks of the season to convince himself to stay the fuck out of the process of finding a replacement.
Pipe dream, I know.
I think it was Shurmur s decision, but the owner probably wanted to know about the change in advance, what s wrong with that.
You guys have no idea what Mara does or doesn’t do. I don’t believe for one second he made the call to bench Eli. He probably gave it his approval, but that s a big difference from what you re suggesting
Schwartz seems to have the beat of the team and I think he's pretty well connected with a guy like Hanlon.
Apparently that's how Mara gets ideas that should already be staring him in the face.
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When Mara announces Shurmur is returning we will hear the usual, "no one is more disappointed than me", "I need to see progress next year", "everyone is on notice".
He should play a recording of himself every year as he's been saying the exact same things for years.
A lot of people seem to think that Shurmur for some reason has this long rope to hang himself with. I have no idea why. I'm not saying you're wrong I just have no reason to think he has a long rope. Tom Coughlin, that was a franchise icon coach you're getting rid of. (Same to a totally different extent with Eli). Those decisions are painful, controversial, and often likely to be second guessed if you don't time it right.
Shurmur is NONE 'a that. He's a nobody that I swear no one on this entire board seems to like. No one would care one fig if he got canned 10 minutes from now. He's earned no benefit of the doubt. And historically, McAdoo was bounced after 2 years, why should this be any different?
Not only that, Shurmur's FIRST HC stint with the Browns lasted just two years. Can someone explain the rationale that he's definitely got another year coming, after this mess? Is it really just about DG etc saving face? (I'm not saying you're wrong... really asking...). [/
I agree with you 100%. Shurmur acts like he is entitled as well to. It was brought up in another thread but I wonder if money is part of it. The Mara's are not as rich as a lot of the other owners and there are many pieces to the family. They have been paying two HC salaries since 2016. Firing Shurmur now would mean paying him another three years and the new coach. I am not even sure what kind of money is still being paid out to Reese.
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were still swearing up and down that Eli starting or sitting was 100% Shurmur's decision.
I hope Mara decides now that Shurmur is done at season's end. And I hope he uses the remaining 9 weeks of the season to convince himself to stay the fuck out of the process of finding a replacement.
Pipe dream, I know.
I think it was Shurmur s decision, but the owner probably wanted to know about the change in advance, what s wrong with that.
You guys have no idea what Mara does or doesn’t do. I don’t believe for one second he made the call to bench Eli. He probably gave it his approval, but that s a big difference from what you re suggesting
Sounds like we agree -- Eli could not be removed as the starter without John Mara's sign-off.
What I'm suggesting is exactly what I said -- it was never solely Shurmur's call. Some people insist (or insisted) that it was. Doesn't sound like you're one of those people.
now Im know hes a loser
I imagine with the season over early (again) that they would let Eli start the last home game as a farewell. But you are right, that stadium is going to be packed with Eagle fans that will heckle him and make it a mockery. And if that happens I hope Mara will step to the podium in his post season press conference and admit that changes need to be made, and one of them is hiring a VP of Football Operations with complete autonomy over front office personnel and football decisions. And that person was hired with no understanding that anyone would be retained.
But that won’t happen. He will talk about being disappointed and the results being unacceptable, and then go fire the assistant cafeteria cook to show everyone that he is not messing around this time.
with loss of revenue from having Shurmur continue to coach.
But, his salary is prob
nobody
did you hear the Cowboy fans last night?
PSLs destroyed the homefield advantage forever
you used to have a point of pride that the stadium was sold out forever
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were still swearing up and down that Eli starting or sitting was 100% Shurmur's decision.
I hope Mara decides now that Shurmur is done at season's end. And I hope he uses the remaining 9 weeks of the season to convince himself to stay the fuck out of the process of finding a replacement.
Pipe dream, I know.
I think it was Shurmur s decision, but the owner probably wanted to know about the change in advance, what s wrong with that.
You guys have no idea what Mara does or doesn’t do. I don’t believe for one second he made the call to bench Eli. He probably gave it his approval, but that s a big difference from what you re suggesting
Sounds like we agree -- Eli could not be removed as the starter without John Mara's sign-off.
What I'm suggesting is exactly what I said -- it was never solely Shurmur's call. Some people insist (or insisted) that it was. Doesn't sound like you're one of those people.
Meant to add neither you or I know what goes on behind closed doors. But I agree Mara wanted to know before it happened, he said as much in training camp
He’s still thinking like an offensive coordinator “move the ball mentality” rather than a head coach “win the game mentality.” To me, this is the fear in Shurmur double dipping into playcalling responsibilities, his idea of winning the game is entrenched in moving the ball well, when sometimes, what we need, are the subtle but big game management victories.
Yep, totally agree.
And what's wrong with Mara going to Shurmur and saying if you were thinking about doing it, don't hesitate?
Spot on.
Plus, you think he wants to play with the garbage being thrown out there? What DJ is going thru is exactly what Eli has seen..........
This this and more this. I don’t wanna hear any innuendo or allusions. I want facts. Wtf is this? More bs.
He is making too many decisions in the moment and not operating strategically. Needs to stop.
This should’ve happened 5 years ago. Couldn’t agree more.
As soon as Eli's career record as a Giants QB hit 500, and there was serious potential it would fall and stay below 500, Mara decided enough was enough. He's not letting Eli ever go back to the field wearing a Giants helmet as a starter. I now think one of the reasons Taney is kept around is to protect Eli from starting if Jones ever gets hurt and has to miss a game...
Customer sentiment is very important and is quite democratic when you get a user test 8 times a year with an 80,000 person sample.
The fan base can be wrong. But over the course of enough time and enough losing, even the fans get it right.
He is making too many decisions in the moment and not operating strategically. Needs to stop.
Just history repeating itself. Wellington was not the beloved grandfatherly person in the late '60's/early '70's. He was very much like John is now,even worse. And,John continues to become his father more every year!
Gettleman already cracked. That trade was a classic panic move. Cant wait what Shurmur tries to pull to save his job. Remember Geno Smith was all about Mcadoo buying time.
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Can't underestimate the power of this Jets game. There is a lot of pressure on Gettleman and Shurmur.
Gettleman already cracked. That trade was a classic panic move. Cant wait what Shurmur tries to pull to save his job. Remember Geno Smith was all about Mcadoo buying time.
There is stupid and then, there is stupid....Gettleman cracked?
Friend's house Jets fan
Anyways I had seen enough and left a tad early
Well thank God I didn't see the 63 yard
Sack fumble TD return for fucks sake they can't
keep this staff another season its fucking over
for this group of clowns Enough !!!!
You could be right. I'd think Eli would be asked if he wanted to start that day. If Eli suffers 1 more loss, he drops below a career .500 (just like his Dad.)
Sorry, but this makes absolutely no sense.
If Jones were to get hurt and need to be replaced it would happen DURING a game, not at the end of the game. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe that Taney is even active. That means Eli would be the only QB available to replace Jones if Jones had an in-game injury.
So what you're actually suggesting is that if Jones's injury were serious enough for him to miss part of one game and then the next game as well that the Giants would play Eli the remaining part of that first game and then replace Eli with Taney, so as to protect Eli's .500 winning percentage???
No way in hell would the Giants do that to Eli, as that would tarnish his legacy a lot more than a sub .500 starting record.