My son and I have been having this debate and personally I do not think this team will win under this head coach. He may be a good coordinator but it sure as hell is not translating into a competent head coach.
I realize Jones is a rookie QB but overall this team has gotten worse not better. Shurmur's in game decisions at times are head scratching, he does not appear to be a very good game manager, and doesn't seem to know how to utilize Barkley.
My son's biggest concern is starting over again with a new system and is afraid it will stunt the growth of Jones or screw him up like what appears to be happening with Darnold. I don't have that concern.
The offensive line was upgraded and I for one cannot believe they are individually all that bad. These guys have proven track records. Of course Solder is not living up to his contract.
As for the defense, it ain't working. And while Bettcher is the DC the buck stops at the top.
So to all my fellow diehard Giant fans do you see any light at the end of this tunnel? I don't. Of course my son's argument is the unknown with bringing in a new coach. I say it can't be any worse.
I say, fire Shurmur. Start anew before it's too late.
What say you all?
Fire him
Ditch him
This logic for retaining Shurmur doesn’t withstand ten seconds of examination. What Jones needs is a solid coaching environment in which he and his teammates are steadily developing, not this train wreck.
That would be either 4-3 or 3-4 finish with things looking up, I d keep him.
But if there is a repeat of the Cardinal game in there, the Eagle games are. Non competitive, final record 4-12 or 5-11, serious consideration would be given for change
If I spell my name right, do I get to go to Harvard?
Talk about lowered expectations.
Don't agree with the "you can't turn through coaches" defense.
Yeah, I get it...bad teams fire their coaches more often.
But I look at this more like a 35 yr old single woman who desperately wants to get married and have kids would look at her dating life. With her biological clock ticking, as soon as she realized that the guy she's been dating is not "THE ONE" she needs to move on.
Giants management should have realized by now that Shurmur is not "The One" that can take this team back to the playoffs. They need to move on.
Better players will not improve any of those areas and when you add in his horrible challenge choices, his behavior on the sidelines when calls go against him (he literally seems like a child when he challenges calls he doesn't like just to lose a timeout and it screams of desperation) and his overall Blah feeling you get from him, he just isn't the guy I want leading a YOUNG team.
The Giants need new blood and not some guy who seems good because he coached a GREAT player (McAdoo- Rodgers), it is time to get a young guy with ideas and who can get these young players up and running quickly.
Chronic losing will hurt Daniel Jones more than learning a new offense would. And the team is about more than just Daniel Jones. Shurmur doesn't even use Barkley properly, FFS. How do you screw that up?!
The last thing the org needs is to hire yet another coach, then find themselves with a GM problem. They'll be reluctant to move on the GM a year into the new coach's tenure and you'll be looking at an additional losing season for no reason.
Assuming that the Giants remain on their current trajectory without major improvement, of course.
There's a few good coaches out there with winning records looking for a job.
There's also a bunch of coordinators who deserve a shot as well.
Ditch him
There's a few good coaches out there with winning records looking for a job.
There's also a bunch of coordinators who deserve a shot as well.
There's a few good coaches out there with winning records looking for a job.
There's also a bunch of coordinators who deserve a shot as well.
There's a few good coaches out there with winning records looking for a job.
There's also a bunch of coordinators who deserve a shot as well.
Fire him on the morning of December 30th
Time to move on
bad coaches make good teams worse
good teams don't keep bad coaches.
ditch him
I don't see the benefit of kicking the can down the road, nor how beating the Jets and/or Dolphins changes that.
Wholly shit.
I guess I got my point across. LOL
Shurmur is one of the three worst head coaches in the NFL. Of course there are better options out there.
Why would you do that, when Shurmur has already proven to be utterly clueless about game management?
When Jenkins opted out of tackling Jarwin he should have been benched immediately. What message does that send to the young players?
I like his aggressive takes which, frankly, will work once he has a better team around Jones (and I like that Jones is already being conditioned to think that going for it on fourth down is always on the table).
He was a big part of why Jones is here - let him get a chance to work with the kid. Also the team plays for him.
It's always been the plan that he'll get a few years so I would stay patient and keep moving forward with him.
Ideally, they'd ditch both Shurmur and Gettleman.
But that would still leave Mara.
I feel he's been dealt a faulty hand...
I don't think this team has the TALENT to compete...
I think an offseason with cap space and more solid drafting as in the past two years will help...
So, all other things equal, I'd keep him.
HOWEVER:
As noted, it appears he's unwilling or unable to shake up his staff...not good.
It appears that he's unwilling to delegate the in game play calling and it's unclear how much his OC has a hand in game planning...not good.
In game management is questionable, at best...too many head scratchers to blame it all on the players...not good.
Does not instill confidence via media/press that there is a process, that he's following it, and providing metrics that his process is on track...
For those reasons, I think it may be time to let him go. So here's the conundrum:
Who replaces him, and what's the vision?
A new coach usually wants HIS QB. What if Jones ain't it?
A new coach may have a different defensive philosophy. What if this ain't it? We've been drafting for this situation for two years, do they blow it up or stay the course?
I never thought of Shurmur as a stop gap. A stop gap doesn't 'build' anything...they ride with what they have until another person can start building.
I don't think I can take another "rebuild" but it sure doesn't FEEL like "stay the course" is the answer, either.
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We have 60M+ to spend and some rookies /2nd year players developing
We need to do alot next year with about 6-8 key positions to have a shot at being competitive
Do we want DG and Shurmur guiding this ship?
Poll is about Shurmur so I vote fire and start new so we aren't redoing this again in 2 years anyway.
Tell tale signs of a bad coach have been called out. When a guy like Jenkins makes a half tackle effort and he isn't benched (maybe he will be? ) then the coach is a wuss. No backbone and players won't respect him at all
And that he is calling plays instead of coaching is an issue unless you have the resume to prove it. he does not
...he's gone at the end of this season.
As is the vast majority of his staff.
Then adjust and build accordingly.
That's how I feel.
I don't even think he is a good OC. Minnesota offense doesn't look any worse to my eyes, and they were completely embarrassed by Philly in his very last game as OC for them.
I was all for giving him a shot, but right now I fully believe he is NOT the guy. I will still root for him to turn it around if they stick with him, but at this point I'm done... let's move on.