Yes...Jones is LOSING Games for The Giants

It's extremely rare statistically. This is why I wanted them to commit to half a season for Eli. DJ should have sat about 8 games both for his own good and to see what an experienced pro could do over a reasonable stretch of games.

Just one more among way too many bad decisions by Shurmur.

In comment 14666603 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 14666597 cjac said: Quote: fumble as much as he does. I mean he's averaging 2 fumbles a game However, and its prob because i hate him, i'm going to blame Shurmur. A good coach would coach him out of it. He's not averaging two fumbles a game. He's fumbling too much, but we don't need to exaggerate to make the point. He's started 7 games and fumbled 10 times. Far too much. But, he doesn't have 14.

10, is that fumbles lost? or fumbles?

serious question.

I found it

i replace it with

he's averaging 1.25 fumbles a game

28+ points a game you have to do whatever you can.

The only TO that was his fault the other night was the fumble on the scramble.

The INT should have been a Knee to end the half but our HC is worthless.

The other fumble he was hit while trying to throw due to our very poor OL.

The kid is making mistakes most QB's make...

Take a look at the Manning Bros....

This team's "breakout" year. It was supposed to set up for us to compete in 2020-22. Does anyone see this team doing that? Even with some random assortment of FAs signed in the offseason? Does anyone have faith in DG's ability to properly assess FAs and spend the money wisely? As opposed to dumping some massive $70M contract on a 32 year old guy who was good like 3 years ago?

In comment 14666603 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 14666597 cjac said: Quote: fumble as much as he does. I mean he's averaging 2 fumbles a game However, and its prob because i hate him, i'm going to blame Shurmur. A good coach would coach him out of it. He's not averaging two fumbles a game. He's fumbling too much, but we don't need to exaggerate to make the point. He's started 7 games and fumbled 10 times. Far too much. But, he doesn't have 14.

I’d go as far as saying his last fumble wasn’t on him! The Edge Rusher came in untouched as he was throwing! Give the kid a break! It sucks but this is him getting experience, if he continues then go ahead and rip the shit out of him!

,but the turnovers are absurd and must stop. Jury still way out on him.

But Eli was not his fault and Reese and DG are to blame for the last 10 years...Damm I bet Jones hopes to get the same type of defense from the fanbase that Eli enjoyed

In comment 14666485 arcarsenal said:

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Yeah, it's called being a rookie QB in the NFL. They make mistakes. Jones isn't "LOSING" us games any more than the incompetent HC, DC, horrendous defense, awful offensive line or general lack of talent are.

^this

. He can move, but he is not a natural. Not sure this can be coached out. Turnovers lose games, end of story. And we do not have a juggernaut offense to make up for it.

In comment 14667006 mdc1 said:

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. He can move, but he is not a natural. Not sure this can be coached out. Turnovers lose games, end of story. And we do not have a juggernaut offense to make up for it.

I agree. He needs to improve on ball security and pocket awareness. As we have seen, ball security can be coached. I am not so sure about pocket awareness.

I watched Ryan Tannehill down here for 6(he missed a whole season with an ACL tear, or it would be 7) seasons have zero pocket awareness every year he played, and NEVER improved on it. Everyone knew it was a problem. Pocket awareness is something you either have or don't and I think some QBs can develop this by reps, but its just not easy to coach it.

I still like what I see from DJ8. If hes going to make mistakes, get them out of the way this year, get better in the offseason, be ready to roll next year.

Jones has trouble processing quickly, which leads to his holding the ball, which leads to hits, which leads to turnovers

DJ has several possible shortcomings beyond the speed of the game as a rookie.


1) he is robotic – not intuitive

2) he does not seem to be able to parallel process information (as in 1)

3) his eyes are too closely spaced which limits his short distance range of peripheral vision

Net – always hopeful but never sucesssful

You didn't provide a link for your assertion that Jones "is the most pressured QB in football".

There are lots of ways to skin a cat, and if you don't provide the link to the stat you quoted it's meaningless.

For example: is he "the most pressured QB" based on the total # of sacks, pressures, and hurries? Is that then divided by the # if pass attempts?

Most importantly, if the time that he's holding the ball hasn't been factored into that stat then its meaning isn't terribly robust as a measure of the OL...

Other than Mr. Raven who is fighting for MVP and still gets shit on. No WR deep threat and a line that causes most of his fumbles. This is one thing the Giants got right. It just baffles me the lack of knowledge by some posters. The kid is a gamer!

Because none of our WR’s are able to get open? We play WR’s off the scrap heap week in and week out.

that he's going to be the next great NYG QB. One of the best in the league when he hits his stride.

In comment 14667054 Vanzetti said:

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Jones has trouble processing quickly, which leads to his holding the ball, which leads to hits, which leads to turnovers

At loved Rosen, too, who seems destined to be a backup QB in the NFL unless someone right now not in coaching takes a chance and miraculously coaches him up into Brett Favre.


Sy has holes in his game, too, maybe?