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NFL Coordinators Short List: Darrell Bevell

cosmicj : 11/6/2019 9:30 am
Age 49, long time coordinator for Pete Carroll in Seattle, so a top tier coach worked with him for nearing a decade. Now OC for the Lions. I’m actually surprised he isn’t a regular HC candidate but his resume stands out.

Negatives (from the Giants .org perspective but not mine): No Giants connections,

What do you guys know about Bevell?
Darrell Bevell Wiki - ( New Window )
49 no head coaching experience  
Mike in NY : 11/6/2019 9:37 am : link
That is a concern because being a head coach is different from being a coordinator. You need to be able to focus on all units and not get bogged down with the side of the ball that is your background. Also, he has a tendency as an OC to get either too pass happy or too run happy and it allows teams to key off on him more. You need to keep teams off balance regarding whether you will run or pass.
I’m linking to the Wiki page showing current NFL OCs  
cosmicj : 11/6/2019 9:39 am : link
To facilitate this discussion.

Two other people that stand out:

Mike Groh- Eagles OC. Started out as a nepotism hire but was promoted to the Eagles OC position independent of his father, so establishing himself in his own. No doubt that the Eagles gameplanning is on a different level than the Giants. Age 47. Grew up in NJ for what it’s worth.

Nathaniel Hackett Packers OC. Only 39 but has already held 3 different OC positions, indicating that he is highly thought of within league circles. I hope DG is looking closely at Hackett.


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RE: I’m linking to the Wiki page showing current NFL OCs  
Mike in NY : 11/6/2019 9:46 am : link
In comment 14666645 cosmicj said:
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To facilitate this discussion.

Two other people that stand out:

Mike Groh- Eagles OC. Started out as a nepotism hire but was promoted to the Eagles OC position independent of his father, so establishing himself in his own. No doubt that the Eagles gameplanning is on a different level than the Giants. Age 47. Grew up in NJ for what it’s worth.

Nathaniel Hackett Packers OC. Only 39 but has already held 3 different OC positions, indicating that he is highly thought of within league circles. I hope DG is looking closely at Hackett.
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Hackett has held that many positions because of who is father is and his ties to Doug Marrone. That keeps getting him positions despite not really having success. Also, what is with the focus on current OC's? We don't need another glorified OC as Head Coach who gets tunnel vision on the offensive side. That does not mean we can't go with an offensive guy, as I said elsewhere I am a fan of Dan Campbell, but I would be leery of any head coaching candidate on any side of the football that wants to call his own plays.
Cosmic -  
Diver_Down : 11/6/2019 9:49 am : link
It is a shame that there isn't a list of Special Teams coordinators. I think it was Robbie, but a poster made a comment about a week ago on one of the many coaching threads. The comment was that Special Teams coordinators should be given more consideration for HC. The HC role shouldn't be singularly focused on one side of the ball. There are many responsibilities that a HC is coordinating. The job of a ST coordinator requires managing multiple players in differing roles.

Find a ST coordinator that is excellent at what they do, and they should be given consideration for a HC role. The next HC should be able to have competent coordinators that are responsible for the respective sides of the ball.
And current NFL DCs  
cosmicj : 11/6/2019 9:50 am : link
49ers DC Saleh is one guy to watch here, as has been pointed out here on BBI. Saleh is 40 and has been a DC for three years.

I’m not endorsing this but one guy to think about is Gus Bradley, the Chargers DC, who had an unsuccessful run as the Jaguars HC. A lot of experience. A Monte Kiffen protege. No Giants connections.
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He was a typical Badger QB  
Jay in Toronto : 11/6/2019 9:52 am : link
(Except for Russell and hopefully redshirt frosh Gertz)

Limited skills, game manager and smart
Diver  
cosmicj : 11/6/2019 9:53 am : link
Couldnt find a ST coordinators list but the link has all nfl staffs. Wiki is a trove of data.
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RE: And current NFL DCs  
jvm52106 : 11/6/2019 10:08 am : link
In comment 14666670 cosmicj said:
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49ers DC Saleh is one guy to watch here, as has been pointed out here on BBI. Saleh is 40 and has been a DC for three years.

I’m not endorsing this but one guy to think about is Gus Bradley, the Chargers DC, who had an unsuccessful run as the Jaguars HC. A lot of experience. A Monte Kiffen protege. No Giants connections. NFL DCs Wiki - ( New Window )


I do not wnat a guy who was NOT successful as a HC before. Even BB, who had some down years in Cleveland, had some success there and there were other issues that contributed to his lack of overall Wins. Bradley is a NO GO for me.
Just hire Stephen Belichick  
Justlurking : 11/6/2019 10:16 am : link
Go big, go bold, and hope the old man will want to come to the Giants as an advisor, GM, director of football ops...
RE: Cosmic -  
cokeduplt : 11/6/2019 10:43 am : link
In comment 14666667 Diver_Down said:
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It is a shame that there isn't a list of Special Teams coordinators. I think it was Robbie, but a poster made a comment about a week ago on one of the many coaching threads. The comment was that Special Teams coordinators should be given more consideration for HC. The HC role shouldn't be singularly focused on one side of the ball. There are many responsibilities that a HC is coordinating. The job of a ST coordinator requires managing multiple players in differing roles.

Find a ST coordinator that is excellent at what they do, and they should be given consideration for a HC role. The next HC should be able to have competent coordinators that are responsible for the respective sides of the ball.


The chiefs ST Coach was mentioned as a HC candidate a few years ago. I don’t remember his name right now
Just another  
Bones : 11/6/2019 10:44 am : link
Coordinator who looks like a genius when he is working with the best talent in the league. He’ll get hired by a lousy team as head coach and fail miserably. We need to hire an experienced head coach who has a winning record, whether it be in the pros or college, and let him coach until Gettleman can accumulate enough talent for him to be successful.
RE: Just hire Stephen Belichick  
cokeduplt : 11/6/2019 10:45 am : link
In comment 14666710 Justlurking said:
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Go big, go bold, and hope the old man will want to come to the Giants as an advisor, GM, director of football ops...


This is stupid might as well see what parcells kids are doing too
My lead candidate  
cokeduplt : 11/6/2019 10:48 am : link
Would be Matt Eberflus the Colts DC he’s done a lot with that defense without a lot of stars. He was also a cowboy assistant coach before that.
RE: Cosmic -  
Skully88 : 11/6/2019 10:59 am : link
In comment 14666667 Diver_Down said:
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It is a shame that there isn't a list of Special Teams coordinators. I think it was Robbie, but a poster made a comment about a week ago on one of the many coaching threads. The comment was that Special Teams coordinators should be given more consideration for HC. The HC role shouldn't be singularly focused on one side of the ball. There are many responsibilities that a HC is coordinating. The job of a ST coordinator requires managing multiple players in differing roles.

Find a ST coordinator that is excellent at what they do, and they should be given consideration for a HC role. The next HC should be able to have competent coordinators that are responsible for the respective sides of the ball.


Dave Toub KC Chiefs with (for a change) strong and effective OC and DC.
Dave Toub's wiki page  
cosmicj : 11/6/2019 11:14 am : link
This background doesn't scream HC to me. He is also in his later 50s.
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coke  
cosmicj : 11/6/2019 11:17 am : link
I considered singling out Eberflus. Note that he apparently made a positive impression on Kiffen and Rod Marinelli. A slow riser but there are things to like here.
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cosmicj  
Go Terps : 11/6/2019 11:22 am : link
I'd add Greg Roman to the list. His unique offense would open doors with regards to personnel acquisition, particularly at quarterback. You don't need the prototype passer to run his offense; you need an athlete. College football is bursting with athletic quarterbacks. Hiring Roman would make it easy to stay cheap at quarterback, both in cap space and draft pick allocation.

Of the realistic non-Saban, non-Belichick candidates, Roman would be my favorite option at this point. What I described above is the long term benefit; the short term benefit would be the maximization of Barkley and Jones as running threats and the accompanying trickle down to the OL and defense.
Terps  
cosmicj : 11/6/2019 11:27 am : link
I didn't single out Roman only because I saw him as the leading hot coordinator that hardcore NFL fans would of course know about. The point here is to really look over the field and see where the realistic talent base for HC hires is, pointing out some of the lesser known coordinators who look like very viable candidates.

I'm generally against hiring NCAA coaches absent special circumstances because I think the pro game is just so much more sophisticated and the teams evenly matched.
RE: RE: Just hire Stephen Belichick  
BH28 : 11/6/2019 11:27 am : link
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Go big, go bold, and hope the old man will want to come to the Giants as an advisor, GM, director of football ops...



This is stupid might as well see what parcells kids are doing too


Why is this stupid? Steve is the de facto DC for the Pats. He's calling the plays.
I think many of these candidates look like much more interesting  
cosmicj : 11/6/2019 11:30 am : link
than Shurmur. Even Gus Bradley - who compiled a very bad record in Jacksonville - was kept around for four seasons there in a rebuilding process. My impression is that the Jags are a very well managed franchise and for them to keep a losing HC around for 4 seasons implies that they thought he was doing good work.

So even Bradley, who I don't think is close to being the most interesting candidate here, really looks like a better hire than Shurmur.
Coach Manning time  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 11/6/2019 11:30 am : link
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I would swing for the fences and try to coax  
Section331 : 11/6/2019 11:30 am : link
Riley out of Norman, but other than that, 49er DC Saleh and Balt OC Roman would be my top 2.
I'd prefer a DC to an OC.  
Dinger : 11/6/2019 12:01 pm : link
Seems all OC who become HC have to call their own plays and I just don't think that ever works. Too much for a HC to have to be involved in.
I think Jay Gruden would be a good choice for OC  
CraigKupp : 11/6/2019 12:04 pm : link
He was a pretty decent OC in Cincinnati, he apparently really liked Jones and because he has the soft landing spot of his brother's team in Oakland he probably would not be turned off by the fact that he would be coaching for a potential lame duck coach.
RE: RE: RE: Just hire Stephen Belichick  
cokeduplt : 11/6/2019 12:06 pm : link
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Go big, go bold, and hope the old man will want to come to the Giants as an advisor, GM, director of football ops...



This is stupid might as well see what parcells kids are doing too



Why is this stupid? Steve is the de facto DC for the Pats. He's calling the plays.


Sure he is.
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BH28 : 11/6/2019 12:10 pm : link
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Go big, go bold, and hope the old man will want to come to the Giants as an advisor, GM, director of football ops...



This is stupid might as well see what parcells kids are doing too



Why is this stupid? Steve is the de facto DC for the Pats. He's calling the plays.



Sure he is.


Believe what you want to believe, but it's out there. I guess you think Patricia or Flores weren't running the defense either? He's following their same exact process.
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Ah hes  
cokeduplt : 11/6/2019 12:15 pm : link
Been calling plays for weeks!! Surely he’s ready to be a head coach. If his last name was different no one would be talking about him. He has the same qualifications Chris Mara has to be in the front office at this point.
'to get either too pass happy or too run happy  
Torrag : 11/6/2019 12:20 pm : link
'You need to keep teams off balance regarding whether you will run or pass.'

I don't agree with this as a blanket statement. Usually your opponent is weaker in one defensive facet. Either by roster construction or injury. In Bevell's case I think he's one of the best at staying focused on an opponents weakness until he can break it down. This was a strategy Parcell's went to war with as well. Does it always work? No, but his overall success speaks to the soundness of the philosophy imo.
Dan Campbell is my top choice  
Mike in NY : 11/6/2019 12:24 pm : link
But Saleh or Eberflus are interesting as well. Eberflus does have experience coaching in various schemes (LB coach under Mangini/Rob Ryan in Cleveland, LB coach for 3-4 and later Rod Marinelli's 4-3 in Dallas) and seems to get the most out of players. If the Giants hire someone like Eberflus, I wonder if they would consider Wisconsin DC Jim Leonhard for DC who was a favorite of Rex Ryan
RE: Ah hes  
BH28 : 11/6/2019 1:01 pm : link
In comment 14666974 cokeduplt said:
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Been calling plays for weeks!! Surely he’s ready to be a head coach. If his last name was different no one would be talking about him. He has the same qualifications Chris Mara has to be in the front office at this point.


He's been on the coaching staff for 7 years. Do you really think he gets to call plays because of his last name? And they have the best defense in the league. The Chris Mara point is dumb, but carry on.

Sean McVay was a coordinator for two years before becoming a head coach with a total of 8 years of experience. That lack of experience hasn't seemed to harm him from being a good coach.

Shurmur isn't getting fired this year unless he loses to the Jets, so it would be worth it to bring him on under Shurmur when they fire Bettcher. Then when they fire Shurmur after next year, Steve could be a potential head coaching candidate.

Retreads suck, it's about time the FO do something outside the box and they can't let the McAdoo hiring affect that. As time passes I think the stink on McAdoo looks less and less profound when you see how much of a shit show the entire organization was. Kind of funny how the adults in the room won't match McAdoo's win total over his two year stretch. He'll they might have a hard time surpassing that total over 3 years.
Am I crazy for thinking that Josh McDaniels  
Heisenberg : 11/6/2019 1:16 pm : link
might be a good choice? He probably wasn't ready when he got his first gig and had a bad QB situation. But him and Jones might be a good fit, I think
Without Russell Wilson,  
bw in dc : 11/6/2019 1:22 pm : link
who can make any offense look exceedingly better, what exactly has Bevell done to distinguish himself?

Answer: Nothing. Well, except his asinine decision to throw from the 1 yard line in the 2014 SB.

Overrated. Pass.

RE: Without Russell Wilson,  
NINEster : 11/6/2019 1:44 pm : link
In comment 14667112 bw in dc said:
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who can make any offense look exceedingly better, what exactly has Bevell done to distinguish himself?

Answer: Nothing. Well, except his asinine decision to throw from the 1 yard line in the 2014 SB.

Overrated. Pass.


I argue that Bevell did great things to allow Wilson to succeed. They continuously built around Wilson's skills/strengths instead of playing the offense he used in Minnesota.

Can't judge any of Wilson's OCs on their work with the Seahawks (now Schottenheimer).

BH28  
cokeduplt : 11/6/2019 6:58 pm : link
If his name wasn’t belichek you wouldn’t want him.
john defilippo?  
malslayer : 11/6/2019 7:19 pm : link
return to a smash mouth run first team?

You have barkley and rookie QB. Why we didn't follow that example baffles me.
Bump  
cosmicj : 11/11/2019 8:15 am : link
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