Quote. Belichick doesn't think the Giants job is attractive. He told both Josh McDaniels and Matt Patricia that is not the job you want.
That's a pretty bold statement to make if it's just his opinion. He said it as if its a fact like everyone inside the NFL knows it's true.
Anyone else hear it?
...but it's quite believable.
Why would anyone want to come to a losing, bottom-of-the-barrel franchise like the New York Football Giants?
This roster has more holes than swiss cheese. Soon the holes will merge and there'll be no cheese left whatsoever.
Just air.
No substance.
But the rest of the NFL thinking that? Hmmm. scary
Shurnur's next.
The Giants are highly visible and in the most notorious media market in the world.
Is that really an attractive job?
I think Mara meddles way too much and can't make the tough, but obvious decisions.
On the other hand, I don't want any Belichick assistants anyway. Patricia is 9-14-1 so far in Detroit - anyone bereft that we missed out on him?
Not sure how Canty would know about this, anyway. Does he have some connection to Belichick I don't know about?
Think what that same brain power would do to building a football team.
Meanwhile Jerry is grabassing strippers with his liver spotted hands in palatial ATT stadium fist bumping Ellen Degeneres and George Bush on his way to the playoffs.
was there more context?
I don't doubt it could be true that Bill said this, but I also wouldn't be surprised if he didn't.
Just not clear on why Canty would make it up.
Seems like one of those things to file away and access when/if more information like this leaks.
BB could have meant it strictly within the context that NYG had just hired Gettleman (so the coach wouldn't significant personnel control) and seemed 100% intent that bringing Manning back was a priority.
Second, note to BB - two of your rings wound up on Tom Coughlin's fingers.
Finally, WGAF?
Has anything that's happened since that time disproven it? If anything, it would have been bolstered.
I still doubt Belichick actually said it.
Right now, based on who is in charge and the quality of the roster, it's one of the worst jobs in football.
THE only reason to take the job is if you believe in Jones. Which is a fair hedge against everything else...
Dipietro loves to just hear himself talk, and a lot of the things he says are out of his ass..
Rothenburg is just a whiny little bitch, he claims he is some diehard fan but he is just a pessimistic cry baby
Hot coaches prefer loaded roster
However, Bill generally has an ulterior motive for doing the things he does. So I don’t buy that he is just concerned about what’s best for Matt Patricia or Josh McDsniels
1. Established franchise (top 10) QB - rare, but did happen with Rodgers this year
2. Young QB (1-2 years experience) that has shown potential to be a franchise QB, but needs that last step or some consistency. Potentially the Giants after this season or 2020.
3. Top 3 pick that I can use to select my QB. Similar to #2, but more risk around the pick since they haven't faced NFL competition, though they'd probably get a bit more of a leash,
I wouldn't want to take over a team with a average/mediocre QB, like a Kirk Cousins. If you have a solid team around that QB, the expectations are always going to be sky high even though you're limited at the most critical position.
Of course, it's rare for a coordinator to turn down a HC opportunity.
ummm I assume he knows Jerry Reese and Tom Coughlin are no longer with the Giants.
Unless you think his almost 7 year old grudge extends to anyone and everyone associated with the Giants for eternity.
Confidence in Stafford? Stafford was (is) a much better QB than Eli heading into 2018. And young enough to be there for 5+ years.
But the biggest issue, in retrospect, is that there was no plan in place for Eli. There clearly was a mandate from meddling ownership that Eli is starting QB for life, and any HC hire had to be OK with making a good-faith effort to get "one more run" out of Eli. That saga is thankfully behind us, but will take some time for us to totally lap.
I'm not sure if he would still consider the Giants job the same way since there's a few quality young pieces in the building that would theoretically grow with a new HC.
The next comment Canty made was that the Giants job isn't that attractive either and then the quote about Belichick telling his guys you don't want that job. So there was some inference about the Giants model.
This wasn't a pre planned shot at the Giants. Just came across as two guys talking and Canty making it sound like NFL insiders know Belichick looks at the Giants as place where a HC wouldn't have a good structure.
Keep in mind this is my take on it and most of you know how I feel about all things Giants.
But the quote was what it was and not taken out of context or inaccurate.
Second, note to BB - two of your rings wound up on Tom Coughlin's fingers.
Finally, WGAF?
Meanwhile, BB has won 3 SB's since, and the Giants have 0 playoff wins in that time period.
I doubt that Canty just made this up, but it is true that we don't know what context he heard it in. That said, there were rumors that Patricia jilted the Giants last time. Don't know how true that is, and I don't think we're necessarily worse off for that, but if it's true, it is very concerning.
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He has said some nasty comments before.
Second, note to BB - two of your rings wound up on Tom Coughlin's fingers.
Finally, WGAF?
Meanwhile, BB has won 3 SB's since, and the Giants have 0 playoff wins in that time period.
I doubt that Canty just made this up, but it is true that we don't know what context he heard it in. That said, there were rumors that Patricia jilted the Giants last time. Don't know how true that is, and I don't think we're necessarily worse off for that, but if it's true, it is very concerning.
those runors were from the dailynews who said patricia to giants was a done deal...
The dailynews go to in all sports they cover, if they get something wrong blame the team and make the team look bad, that is how they do business
Remember Bob Quinn is the GM of the Lions. He had been with Belichick and the Patriots since 2000 which actually predates Patricia's time with Belichick and the Patriots.
At the time, better QB, Luck, and better GM, Ballard.
There's a telling joke in the BBC "Chernobyl" series that applies to the Giants:
"What’s as big as a house, burns 20 liters of fuel every hour, puts out a shit-load of smoke and noise, and cuts an apple into three pieces? A Soviet machine made to cut apples into four pieces!"
Replace the Soviets with the Giants. A bloated mechanism that doesn't function properly. Ironic, I suppose, given Wellington's five year plans.
Then again, if Bill wins the SuperBowl this year, he may want the Giants GM job anyway if Mara fires PS, and DG decides to "retire".
Taking the tinfoil hat off, I doubt any of Canty's statements, are true here. McDaniels wants the HC job in New England after Bill moves on, Patricia had close connections in Detroit, and those are what determined what happened.
They hire the coaches.
They hire the GM
Chris is a bigwig in the active running of the team.
John has been known to interfere with the draft.
It's been known for quite a while there are multiple power groups in the building running the team, with the Maras being one of them.
Tisch is a hands off owner. The Maras are hands on.
no, he fired him
vagenda -hehehe- i'm going to use that, thx
I really don't want to re-litigate this, but your comments are the exact opposite of what actually transpired.
That is fair, but don't think other candidates didn't notice when Mara threw McAdoo head first under that bus when the Eli benching decision went south.
I think McAdoo was awful (even during the playoff season, it was smoke and mirrors), but Mara went along with the plan, and then blamed McAdoo when fans got outraged.