Quote. Belichick doesn't think the Giants job is attractive. He told both Josh McDaniels and Matt Patricia that is not the job you want.
That's a pretty bold statement to make if it's just his opinion. He said it as if its a fact like everyone inside the NFL knows it's true.
Anyone else hear it?
Things are bad fellas but the Giants are stil in NY and one of the flagship franchises in the league run by ownership who is respected in league circles.
You're right. So are the Knicks.
Let that one sink in.
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Chris has been saying this basically since the Shurmur hire. There’s no way in hell somebody would choose Shurmur over two of the hottest young coordinator head coaching candidates at the time.
I'd pick a broken action figure over Josh McDaniels
Which one? Hulk, maybe?
Agree with this. It gets stated as fact frequently that Giants ownership is meddling, but none of us have any idea if that is true. Just because he wants to be informed before they bench the franchise QB it does not equate to meddling.
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When they wanted to bench Eli and break his consecutive game streak for a nobody backup did he stop them. When they wanted to bench Eli this year after he said he wanted Eli to play the whole year did he stop them. These are two publicly know instances of Mara not meddling. Anyone have anything to back up "Mara is s meddling owner".
Agree with this. It gets stated as fact frequently that Giants ownership is meddling, but none of us have any idea if that is true. Just because he wants to be informed before they bench the franchise QB it does not equate to meddling.
He absolutely had to sign off on Eli's benching - he just walked it back after the backlash made them look so bad.
And do we know how involved the Maras are in personnel decisions? Well - look at Chris Mara's title:
https://www.giants.com/team/front-office-roster/chris-mara - ( New Window )
So, the first time he speaks out negatively about a player or organization will be the Giants? A team that he has some deep fondness for?
I will believe it when I hear it coming out of his mouth...not Canty's.
That being said, I would not be surprised if coaches and players determine on their own that this is not the place to be. I often argued that we end up with scraps in free agency because some of the better players simply dont want to play here.
Succeeding in NY is better than anywhere else and everyone knows it.
Succeeding in NY is better than anywhere else and everyone knows it.
Right - because what Canty is implying is it's not special to succeed in NY.
Look no further than the Knicks - everyone knows that the person(s) to take the Knicks to the promised land will be revered at probably a higher level than they deserve.
That hasn't made it any easier for them to land quality personnel, because the shitheel who owns the team is so caustic that he has hindered success.
Is Mara as bad? Probably not. Given the choice, would a Patricia want to go to Detroit, where the media pressure is much less and the GM is a former colleague from NE? Would he consider bypassing that for a team that had spent several years struggling and has a co-owner holding a senior personnel title?
Not sure why this is so difficult for people to understand.
Other people interviewed for the job, so it's safe to say they wanted it.
There are only 32 of these positions in the world. There isn't a HC job in the league that would only have one guy take interest.
Your best friend is an idiot, and you are naive.
I could see at the time of the last opening a concern with how the Eli situation would play out, and it has cost the franchise 2 years and substantial cap space. Other than that, what franchise that has had a job open over the last few years would you say is better?
Jets?
Cin?
Wash?
AZ (fired coach after 1 season)?
Browns?
Det?
Den (Elway running the franchise)?
Tampa?
....maybe GB, but then you inherit an aging Rodgers, both the good & bad.
All openings look bad at the time, but if you get the chance to be a HC in the NFL with a franchise like NYG, you grab hold of it.
[quote] That the Giants way of doing things is antiquated, must be a perception that’s out there. Specifically the approach of hiring a GM - particularly a dinosaur like Gettleman - then hiring a coach and having the coach report to the GM. You look around the league and top coaches have a ton of power, often they are the most powerful football person on staff. Belichick is an extreme example, but you see it elsewhere as well. Or you try to hire a coach and GM in tandem, guys who have a prior history together, share a philosophy, etc.
The Giants model will absolutely preclude them from landing most of the big names out there. Belichick would never come work for Gettleman, you’d have to clean house for his arrival. I assume that would even be true for McDaniels. You’re definitely not getting a big name college coach - Saban, Urban Meyer, Lincoln Riley, Jim Harbaugh, Dabo Swinney, David Shaw - to come in and work as #3 in the football org structure. Those guys are program builders, CEO types. They want to run everything and if you’re hiring them they should run everything.
Very well said. I think the job would still be attractive to many big name coaches if (and only if) they were given some major power in terms of personnel decisions. No big name guy is likely to come here to play second fiddle - especially to an egomaniac like Gettleman. If one did, I could see a power struggle taking place rather quickly.