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Nate Solder or Ereck Flowers?

CromartiesKid21 : 11/6/2019 1:09 pm
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Nate Solder is the 2nd highest paid LT in the NFL. He has allowed 8 sacks so far this year. Thatís 2 more than Ereck Flowers ever allowed in a whole season.

Let that sink in.
A lot of that has to do with a Rookie QB  
Eli2020 : 11/6/2019 1:11 pm : link
and a gun-shy Eli throwing 0.00002 second throws
how about neither?  
Greg from LI : 11/6/2019 1:11 pm : link
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ah yes now I TOTALLY  
Dinger : 11/6/2019 1:17 pm : link
wish we had Flowers and his stellar tripping talents, superior holding ability and overall better attitude than Mr Overpaid.
The question shouldnt be  
NoPeanutz : 11/6/2019 1:29 pm : link
"Where would the Giants be today with Flowers vs Solder?"
It should be "Where would the Patriots have been with Flowers instead of Solder?"
want to hear another crazy stat  
ron mexico : 11/6/2019 1:32 pm : link
Saquon is on pace to have less rushing yards and TDs than Orleans Darkwa had in 2017

Of course the missed games greatly impact that and he has more receiving yards but still...
would you prefer  
fkap : 11/6/2019 1:37 pm : link
I shit in your sandwich

or piss in your soup?
Solder seems to be a mistake....but for the most part the BBI loved  
GiantBlue : 11/6/2019 1:40 pm : link
the signing when it happened.

Not everyone performs to their expectations or those of the fans. At the time, we just lost Andrew Norwell to Carolina and our OL was a shambles.

Did we overpay? YES

But we can't shoot Getts for that signing when there was little out there on the OL at the time. Remember, we drafted W. Hernandez later that draft...and Zeitler was this off-season.
BTW.....Lost Norwell....  
GiantBlue : 11/6/2019 1:40 pm : link
in terms of not signing him...he wasn't a Giant when he went to the Panthers.

Sorry.
Solder is better but that is not saying much  
MotownGIANTS : 11/6/2019 1:42 pm : link
what happen to make him look better was Eli just started throwing the ball to the check down as his 1st option. Which made life easier for Solder ... Jones is on the other end of the spectrum he is holding it too long make his job that much harder.

Jones needs to get his internal clock in order and he need better OLs to boot. Not to mention a WR that can cause some havoc on his own.
Over the Last Twenty Years,  
OntheRoad : 11/6/2019 2:28 pm : link
Other teams' OL seems to play into their mid-30s. Giants offensive linemen have tended to suddenly crap out once they hit 30. Solder is 31.
Our O system whereas it does  
idiotsavant : 11/6/2019 2:29 pm : link
Done good stuff with the wrs , it isn't up to standard with regards to line play method visa vis run/pass/roll and inside/outside zone runs.

Same method same results from different players over two coaches two gms
Sadly, adjusted for salary it's Flowers  
jcn56 : 11/6/2019 2:29 pm : link
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Short memories for some around here.  
Brown Recluse : 11/6/2019 3:37 pm : link
Solder is bad but Flowers was still worse. And it's not all about the sacks. Flowers openly admitted to not studying for his opponent. The guy didn't even try. Just a giant buffoon - no pun intended.
Also,  
Brown Recluse : 11/6/2019 3:48 pm : link
Solder didn't play this badly last year. He's obviously fallen off but you can't predict when it'll happen. Andrew Witworth went to the Pro Bowl at age 35 (who everyone lambasted Reese for not even looking at because of his age) and is still playing for the Rams at age 37. There are a lot of other linemen who play into their late 30's as well.

The gamble in signing an older player is not knowing when they'll stop being effective. It's a gamble they had to take at the time. I don't miss Flowers at all.

Lets just hope they finally fix this OL mess after the season.
RE: A lot of that has to do with a Rookie QB  
gmenatlarge : 11/6/2019 3:56 pm : link
In comment 14667096 Eli2020 said:
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and a gun-shy Eli throwing 0.00002 second throws


I thought a good LT was supposed to protect a rookie QB, not blame sacks on him.
This is one of the stupider questions...  
BMac : 11/6/2019 6:03 pm : link
...I've seen on BBI. And I've been here since 1995.
RE: Solder seems to be a mistake....but for the most part the BBI loved  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/6/2019 6:16 pm : link
In comment 14667150 GiantBlue said:
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the signing when it happened.

Not everyone performs to their expectations or those of the fans. At the time, we just lost Andrew Norwell to Carolina and our OL was a shambles.

Did we overpay? YES

But we can't shoot Getts for that signing when there was little out there on the OL at the time. Remember, we drafted W. Hernandez later that draft...and Zeitler was this off-season.

Still waiting for any Gettleman defender to answer the question: who was Gettleman's target at OLT if he had successfully signed Norwell? We can all agree that he couldn't afford both Norwell AND Solder, so if he had signed Norwell, he would have needed an option at OLT.

No matter how much you want to support Gettleman's signing of Solder, it is impossible to claim that he didn't have any other options at OLT unless you want to suggest that he was planning to just figure it out as he went along (or perhaps even keep Flowers at OLT) if he had signed Norwell. That, to me, seems even more difficult to defend than the Solder signing.

So which is it? Did DG never have an OLT plan for the scenario where he succeeded in signing Norwell? Or can we finally put to rest this silly argument that signing Solder was a good idea because there were no other options?

Either there were other options at OLT besides Solder or DG didn't ever have a plan for OLT to go along with signing Norwell. Which DG foolishness do you want to defend?
LT  
stretch234 : 11/6/2019 6:29 pm : link
It still amazes me Flowers was better as a R than at any other time at T. He seems to have figured it out playing G

Solder has been terrible. At no point was his play in NE as bad as it was last year and this year is worse

BTW Norwell Is playing just as bad as Solder
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christian : 11/6/2019 6:41 pm : link
Flowers had more blooper reel plays and is a real jerk in interviews, but Solder pound-for-pound is just as bad.

I really believe if he was a rookie or UDFA, he'd be on the pine.

Forget about value, forget about the contract. Just his play has been below replacement level.
Ginger or Mary Ann?  
Jimmy Googs : 11/6/2019 6:44 pm : link
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Solder any day of the week.  
barens : 11/6/2019 9:52 pm : link
Short memory for many here, but I remember Eli having to get rid of the ball much quicker than he should have because Flowers was getting beat all the time. As bad as Solder has been, not in the same ballpark. These comparisons need to stop.
titanic.....  
thrunthrublue : 11/6/2019 9:56 pm : link
or lusitania? both at the bottom......with the fishes.
Both first ballot HoF'ers  
micky : 11/7/2019 6:29 am : link
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