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That’s Gold, Jerry : 11/6/2019 2:25 pm
on CNN.
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CNN?  
ron mexico : 11/6/2019 2:31 pm : link
that article is trash

the trade deadline has passed but he doesn't seem to realize it and he got OBJ's dead cap hit wrong in the event that Cle found a time machine and could do a trade


I said two years tops in Cleveland.  
MOOPS : 11/6/2019 2:35 pm : link
Seems I might have been overestimating his stay.
That article and if Beckham has lost his relevance  
Go Terps : 11/6/2019 2:35 pm : link
He was ever actually relevant?
RE: That article and if Beckham has lost his relevance  
figgy2989 : 11/6/2019 2:39 pm : link
In comment 14667252 Go Terps said:
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He was ever actually relevant?


Like a moth to a flame...

RE: That article and if Beckham has lost his relevance  
BillKo : 11/6/2019 2:39 pm : link
In comment 14667252 Go Terps said:
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He was ever actually relevant?


Terps, c'mon..after his catch versus Dallas he was HUGE.

I'm glad he's gone, but c'mon already!!!!
RE: RE: That article and if Beckham has lost his relevance  
Go Terps : 11/6/2019 2:42 pm : link
In comment 14667258 BillKo said:
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He was ever actually relevant?



Terps, c'mon..after his catch versus Dallas he was HUGE.

I'm glad he's gone, but c'mon already!!!!


Oh I didn't know relevant meant popular with kids and fanboys on Instagram. I thought it meant doing something on a football field that actually mattered. My fault.
I think it's an okay article and a reasonable thesis  
Bill L : 11/6/2019 2:46 pm : link
but I sort of question him talking about OBJ's past dominance over the previous 5 years as well as talking about 400 nfl teams wanting him, without mentioning the distraction issues at all. I might not be a significant issue but it is something that provides context to a gloabl discussion of him, his past, present, and future.
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GiantEgo : 11/6/2019 2:49 pm : link
That stupid catch distorted his whole career he would have been better off if it never happened.
What an entertaining article  
arniefez : 11/6/2019 2:51 pm : link
Beckham remains one of the most electric, talented and deadly receivers the game has ever seen?

Based on what? He once was. Now he's a diminished injury prone WR who shys away from contact.

But that's not the best part. This is even better. talking about the Jets and Browns coaching hires for 2019:

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Both coaching moves, for two of the most important franchises in the NFL, have been disasters.


The Jets and the Browns are tow of the most important NFL franchises? The Jets by virtue of being the #2 team in NY are probably around #20 the Browns? Probably around #30.
RE: What an entertaining article  
GiantEgo : 11/6/2019 2:57 pm : link
In comment 14667275 arniefez said:
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Beckham remains one of the most electric, talented and deadly receivers the game has ever seen?




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I agree he is deadly
RE: That article and if Beckham has lost his relevance  
UConn4523 : 11/6/2019 3:04 pm : link
In comment 14667252 Go Terps said:
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He was ever actually relevant?


This is where you lose me man. I really like some of what you bring, but you are dumpster diving right now.

Yes, he was immensely relevant and almost single handedly brought us to the playoffs in 2016. It didn't end well but it happened.
RE: RE: RE: That article and if Beckham has lost his relevance  
BillKo : 11/6/2019 3:13 pm : link
In comment 14667265 Go Terps said:
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He was ever actually relevant?



Terps, c'mon..after his catch versus Dallas he was HUGE.

I'm glad he's gone, but c'mon already!!!!



Oh I didn't know relevant meant popular with kids and fanboys on Instagram. I thought it meant doing something on a football field that actually mattered. My fault.


Seriously, your hatred for the team is off the charts.

He was all over the place, every pregame show, documentaries, interviews, everywhere. Jersey sales. Even on BBI.

Even after he left he was a relvant talking point.
Offer from SF  
Samiam : 11/6/2019 3:16 pm : link
I remember reading last year that the 49er GM claims he made a better offer to the Giants for Beckham or would have made a better offer but Gettleman never called back. It was said that Gettleman wanted to punish Beckham by sending him to Cleveland because he wouldn’t like the town. Hard to believe Gettleman would pass on a better offer. Was that story ever confirmed? Was it just BS?
Someone  
MtDizzle : 11/6/2019 3:17 pm : link
on Bbi said it perfectly “he might be an asshole but he was our asshole.”
I have absolutely nothing to back this up  
arniefez : 11/6/2019 3:20 pm : link
except my own bias. We know the Giants spoke to two teams about Beckham. The Browns and the Bills. I will never believe that was by accident and that the Mara's weren't right in the middle of it.
RE: Someone  
Go Terps : 11/6/2019 3:27 pm : link
In comment 14667314 MtDizzle said:
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on Bbi said it perfectly “he might be an asshole but he was our asshole.”


What a load of bullshit.

The guy is a fucking clown that could have been a great player, but he preferred being... Whatever the hell he is. That was clear from about 2015 on.

Generational, LT, Jerry Rice - these terms would frequently get brought up to defend this joke of a Giant. Hilarious in retrospect.
Does this make sense to you?  
Gman11 : 11/6/2019 3:27 pm : link
"Thus far, Beckham has been professional in Cleveland, .... Beckham walked off the field and could be heard saying, according to CBS' Jay Feely: "I can't get the ball to save my life."


Seems pretty contradictory to me. He's professional, but all he's worried about is whether the ball is thrown to him or not. And, people wonder why Gettleman traded him.
RE: Offer from SF  
ArizonaBlue : 11/6/2019 3:27 pm : link
In comment 14667311 Samiam said:
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I remember reading last year that the 49er GM claims he made a better offer to the Giants for Beckham or would have made a better offer but Gettleman never called back. It was said that Gettleman wanted to punish Beckham by sending him to Cleveland because he wouldn’t like the town. Hard to believe Gettleman would pass on a better offer. Was that story ever confirmed? Was it just BS?


I believe SF was interested, but NYG wanted the #2 overall pick and Lynch wasn't willing to pay that
RE: RE: Offer from SF  
japanhead : 11/6/2019 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14667327 ArizonaBlue said:
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I remember reading last year that the 49er GM claims he made a better offer to the Giants for Beckham or would have made a better offer but Gettleman never called back. It was said that Gettleman wanted to punish Beckham by sending him to Cleveland because he wouldn’t like the town. Hard to believe Gettleman would pass on a better offer. Was that story ever confirmed? Was it just BS?



I believe SF was interested, but NYG wanted the #2 overall pick and Lynch wasn't willing to pay that


i think it was about keeping him out of the conference.
RE: CNN?  
montanagiant : 11/6/2019 4:28 pm : link
In comment 14667243 ron mexico said:
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that article is trash

the trade deadline has passed but he doesn't seem to realize it and he got OBJ's dead cap hit wrong in the event that Cle found a time machine and could do a trade


He's talking about trading him next year
49ers  
Gruber : 11/6/2019 6:01 pm : link
I always thought he should have gone to the 49ers. I reckon he does too.
That he didn't go to the 49ers because they're in the NFC  
Go Terps : 11/6/2019 6:16 pm : link
was another mark of how backwards and lost the Giants are. A smart GM gets picks from SF and has them throw in Nick Mullens (who averaged 8YPA in 2018) as an afterthought. Then you use the #6 overall pick on something other than a quarterback.

But we can't have Beckham in the NFC, so let's get Jabrill Peppers.
Terps it’s funny  
hitdog42 : 11/6/2019 6:29 pm : link
You do victory laps about “being right” about a guy after injuries have hindered his career.
Before injuries he has the best first 3 years as a wr in nfl history and carried an offense to the playoffs despite whether you think that was a model team or not. You were entirely wrong. Not really debatable. Now you are like mr “I was right” after he was thrown some shit passes and got hurt and hasn’t been entirely the same. You are right because you are lucky he got hurt not because you made the right call on the player and his impact on games.
I hope  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 11/6/2019 7:11 pm : link
Terps is seeing a therapist. This isn't healthy.
RE: That he didn't go to the 49ers because they're in the NFC  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 11/6/2019 7:13 pm : link
In comment 14667470 Go Terps said:
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was another mark of how backwards and lost the Giants are. A smart GM gets picks from SF and has them throw in Nick Mullens (who averaged 8YPA in 2018) as an afterthought. Then you use the #6 overall pick on something other than a quarterback.

But we can't have Beckham in the NFC, so let's get Jabrill Peppers.


..and who exactly who was supposed to quarterback this team?
RE: RE: That he didn't go to the 49ers because they're in the NFC  
japanhead : 11/6/2019 7:21 pm : link
In comment 14667517 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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was another mark of how backwards and lost the Giants are. A smart GM gets picks from SF and has them throw in Nick Mullens (who averaged 8YPA in 2018) as an afterthought. Then you use the #6 overall pick on something other than a quarterback.

But we can't have Beckham in the NFC, so let's get Jabrill Peppers.



..and who exactly who was supposed to quarterback this team?


um.. im presuming nick mullens? smdh
RE: I hope  
UConn4523 : 11/6/2019 7:28 pm : link
In comment 14667515 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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Terps is seeing a therapist. This isn't healthy.


It’s pretty bad. He conveniently ignores my comment above which is amusing.

We get it, you hate Beckham and hate how the whole ordeal was handled. You remind us daily.
you win with trips  
WillieYoung : 11/6/2019 7:30 pm : link
a great QB, WR, RB. I was waiting for the last two to pair with OBJ. Added SB then traded OBJ

Still waiting . Darius Slayon got 1 catch for 6 yards. And he may be our best wideout.
Beckham  
darren in pdx : 11/6/2019 7:42 pm : link
was a good part of why they got to 11-5 in 2016. That team was defense and Eli throwing to Beckham and nothing else. Post-injury Beckham has lost what made him special in 2015/2016, on top of lack of ability to control himself mentally.
RE: Offer from SF  
EricJ : 11/6/2019 7:56 pm : link
In comment 14667311 Samiam said:
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I remember reading last year that the 49er GM claims he made a better offer to the Giants for Beckham or would have made a better offer but Gettleman never called back. It was said that Gettleman wanted to punish Beckham by sending him to Cleveland because he wouldn’t like the town. Hard to believe Gettleman would pass on a better offer. Was that story ever confirmed? Was it just BS?


So, do you really think GMs talk about their private conversations with other GMs? Sounds more like clickbait to me
RE: That he didn't go to the 49ers because they're in the NFC  
EricJ : 11/6/2019 7:58 pm : link
In comment 14667470 Go Terps said:
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But we can't have Beckham in the NFC, so let's get Jabrill Peppers.


Right now, Peppers has the same # of TDs as OBJ and Peppers also have more interceptions and tackles.
OBJ did not want to be here anymore...  
EricJ : 11/6/2019 8:02 pm : link
he made that clear. Not sure why people just dont get that. I also am amused at those who think our GM (who needs as many picks as possible to fix this mess) would intentionally pass on a better deal simply out of spite.

If you believe that, then you probably need help cutting your own meat too.
RE: RE: RE: That article and if Beckham has lost his relevance  
djm : 11/6/2019 8:51 pm : link
In comment 14667265 Go Terps said:
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He was ever actually relevant?



Terps, c'mon..after his catch versus Dallas he was HUGE.

I'm glad he's gone, but c'mon already!!!!



Oh I didn't know relevant meant popular with kids and fanboys on Instagram. I thought it meant doing something on a football field that actually mattered. My fault.


Other than the 90 yard Td he had last month he’s merely been good this season. Not great but he’s still a force at wr. In the right system right qb he’d probably shine.

Things haven’t exactly been ideal for Beckham the last 5 years or so. I hate defending him but with you it’s over the top. The guy has had a great career.
OBJ far from done  
bc4life : 11/6/2019 10:19 pm : link
Cleveland's a mess. Think Kitchens may be in serious trouble.

You think he still can't play at a very high level - you don't know what you're looking at or you're lying.
don't try arguing with Terps  
bc4life : 11/6/2019 10:23 pm : link
for some reason he latched onto this anti-Beckham crusade. For soem bizarre reason he needs this. very strange
RE: don't try arguing with Terps  
montanagiant : 11/7/2019 12:13 am : link
In comment 14667715 bc4life said:
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for some reason he latched onto this anti-Beckham crusade. For soem bizarre reason he needs this. very strange

But has he been wrong? So far, it seems he called it perfectly
RE: Beckham  
rocco8112 : 11/7/2019 6:55 am : link
In comment 14667543 darren in pdx said:
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was a good part of why they got to 11-5 in 2016. That team was defense and Eli throwing to Beckham and nothing else. Post-injury Beckham has lost what made him special in 2015/2016, on top of lack of ability to control himself mentally.


You are right about the regular season. Then, for the playoff game Beckham is most known for:

--partying on a boat during game week
--running around shirtless with some other idiots prior to the biggest game of his career
--shitting the bed during the game, dropping scores and being an LVP
-bashing something (head,helmet) and leaving a whole in the Lambeau locker room

There is your "generational" player on the biggest stage, failings, embarrassing the team and losing

let's roll the Beckham Giant highlights, one handed catch in a loss, slant to the house against the Ravens which was likely his peak NYG win moment, failing in playoffs, signing deal and shitting on team/QB sitting next to lil'Wayne

Good riddance
RE: I hope  
English Alaister : 11/7/2019 7:09 am : link
In comment 14667515 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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Terps is seeing a therapist. This isn't healthy.


Don't know why you'd wish that on a therapist!
He was right about Beckham not working out  
UConn4523 : 11/7/2019 7:43 am : link
and he’s running his endless victory lap. At first he was at least rational about it but lately it’s turned into over embellished and convoluted anger.

It’s just weird. The guy isn’t here anymore, you’d think a fan who hates him and wanted him gone would move on but I guess not.
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arcarsenal : 11/7/2019 8:06 am : link
In comment 14667778 English Alaister said:
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Terps is seeing a therapist. This isn't healthy.



Don't know why you'd wish that on a therapist!


Haha.
OBJ  
Gruber : 11/7/2019 9:10 am : link
I have a soft sport for Odell, I think he would be very good for us with Golden Tate. I don't believe his game has regressed, it's much more to do with Mayfield's inaccuracy and Kitchen's weak leadership.
Kitchens has one foot out the door already. The right HC at Cleveland will see Odell return to form.
RE: RE: I hope  
Go Terps : 11/7/2019 9:18 am : link
In comment 14667533 UConn4523 said:
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Terps is seeing a therapist. This isn't healthy.



It’s pretty bad. He conveniently ignores my comment above which is amusing.

We get it, you hate Beckham and hate how the whole ordeal was handled. You remind us daily.


Your comment wasn't interesting enough to respond to.

I don't really give a shit about Beckham, truth be told. The Giants are a disgrace with or without him.

If you want to see people who should be seeing therapists, go back and read what was being said to me in 2017 and 2018 when I had the temerity to criticize everybody's favorite Instagram star.

Like I've said before, the whole Beckham experience was a filter for which posters to take seriously, and which not to.
montanagiant  
bc4life : 11/7/2019 9:30 am : link
yeah he's been way wrong on some points and goes way overboard on others.

What he was right about - Beckham was gone because he became a headache for the staff. While some players talked about him being a good teammate and generous - you would think that if he truly got a bad deal, that, at least a player or two would say something publicly or privately to that effect. I didn't get the sense that his teammates were as shocked about the trade as he was. So, based on the available information - his teammates kind of understood why he was traded.

What he gets wrong - terps goes on to rant about what a lowlife and bad character guy OBJ was - this is a guy who is known for his generosity among his teammates, has worked hard for various charitable causes (kids with cancer, veterans). OBJ has never come close to getting arrested, never been accused on any domestic violence, no criminal activity.

take for example his statement on the this thread "when was he ever relevant" - that statement is so wildly off the mark, it makes you question the perspective of someone espousing it.

I didn't like the trade at first. But, unlike a lot of people on this site - I know that we have an extremely limited view of what happens on the inside of an organization that we are not a part of. I bitched about it at first, after a few days looked at a lot of the information that was available, including what they got in return. I moved on. It's a business, it's football.

Clearly, OBJ has physically returned to form. He is in a tough situation right now. Cleveland is a team with talent but is underperforming. It happens. To my mind, I just wonder why people latch onto the lives of OBJ or any other high profile figure and get such an emotional attachment re: their every failure of success. I find that strange. Very strange.
RE: RE: RE: I hope  
arcarsenal : 11/7/2019 9:36 am : link
In comment 14667901 Go Terps said:
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Terps is seeing a therapist. This isn't healthy.



It’s pretty bad. He conveniently ignores my comment above which is amusing.

We get it, you hate Beckham and hate how the whole ordeal was handled. You remind us daily.



Your comment wasn't interesting enough to respond to.

I don't really give a shit about Beckham, truth be told. The Giants are a disgrace with or without him.

If you want to see people who should be seeing therapists, go back and read what was being said to me in 2017 and 2018 when I had the temerity to criticize everybody's favorite Instagram star.

Like I've said before, the whole Beckham experience was a filter for which posters to take seriously, and which not to.


You don't really give a shit about Beckham?

Surely you jest...

Those 3 letters are enough to get you to open up any thread and you know it. At least be honest. You certainly give a shit; regardless of what end of the spectrum you're on when it comes to him as a player, person, or anything else.
I would add  
bc4life : 11/7/2019 9:42 am : link
joking about someone seeing a therapist, personally, is well something I would not do. Not cool, IMO.
arc  
Go Terps : 11/7/2019 9:44 am : link
And you don't open the thread when you've seen me post in it?

About Beckham himself, no I don't care anymore. He's not Giant, and he's barely a relevant NFL player. I expect he'll retire soon.

What does still irk me is the amount of shit I had to eat here, only to see most of the people that have it to me since change their tune. And on top of that now the expectation is apparently that I'm just supposed to forget it.
RE: RE: RE: I hope  
UConn4523 : 11/7/2019 9:48 am : link
In comment 14667901 Go Terps said:
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Terps is seeing a therapist. This isn't healthy.



It’s pretty bad. He conveniently ignores my comment above which is amusing.

We get it, you hate Beckham and hate how the whole ordeal was handled. You remind us daily.



Your comment wasn't interesting enough to respond to.

I don't really give a shit about Beckham, truth be told. The Giants are a disgrace with or without him.

If you want to see people who should be seeing therapists, go back and read what was being said to me in 2017 and 2018 when I had the temerity to criticize everybody's favorite Instagram star.

Like I've said before, the whole Beckham experience was a filter for which posters to take seriously, and which not to.


Right, you cherry pick what you respond to, its all good. I just find your act pretty tiresome now, especially since you can't even muster up the courage to admit that he was actually a really good player for us.

It didn't work out for a myriad of reasons, mostly because of himself, but christ, you act like he stole your lunch money.
Someone is breathing in his own exhaust  
djm : 11/7/2019 9:51 am : link
Such a great line.
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UConn4523 : 11/7/2019 9:53 am : link
In comment 14667325 Go Terps said:
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on Bbi said it perfectly “he might be an asshole but he was our asshole.”



What a load of bullshit.

The guy is a fucking clown that could have been a great player, but he preferred being... Whatever the hell he is. That was clear from about 2015 on.

Generational, LT, Jerry Rice - these terms would frequently get brought up to defend this joke of a Giant. Hilarious in retrospect.


What an interesting comment to reply to. Ohh yeah, the ones you can go off on a rant about because you don't like that someone liked him.

Haha. Just admit it man, you'll feel so much better!
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arcarsenal : 11/7/2019 9:54 am : link
In comment 14667947 Go Terps said:
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And you don't open the thread when you've seen me post in it?

About Beckham himself, no I don't care anymore. He's not Giant, and he's barely a relevant NFL player. I expect he'll retire soon.

What does still irk me is the amount of shit I had to eat here, only to see most of the people that have it to me since change their tune. And on top of that now the expectation is apparently that I'm just supposed to forget it.


You really think the only reason I open these threads is for you?

I don't understand why it bothers you so much, honestly. What's the endgame here if you don't want to forget about it? Throw out hyperbolic hot takes like saying he was never relevant and take 20 more victory laps?

We argued about Beckham a billion times. In the end, I was wrong about him and I have no issue admitting that. Some of us changed our tune on him when we saw how he handled his new contract here. I was fooled into thinking he'd change or grow up or whatever.

If that means I can no longer be taken seriously in your world, that's fine.

I'm just surprised you're still holding such a grudge over it. You strike me more as a guy who would be comfortable knowing where you stood on the topic - knowing that everyone else here knows where you stood, and just leaving it there.

This revenge tour you've been on to make sure you remind everyone who had a dissenting opinion on Beckham doesn't seem necessary or productive. He's gone and things are going poorly in Cleveland just like a lot of us figured they would.

We sucked when he was here. We still suck without him.
Off topic..  
Sean : 11/7/2019 10:20 am : link
But, I can see Beckham in Philly next year. They need someone to stretch the field.
I just don't get why Terps is here  
figgy2989 : 11/7/2019 11:28 am : link
Other than trying to incite people.

If he is so smart and has all the answers, why is he on a fan message board? Shouldn't he be a GM or in an NFL front office somewhere. He constantly tells us how things should be and what moves should be made, but yet he still graces us with his presence on this board.

Bottom line is we are all fans. There are definitely some insightful people on this board and I used to appreciate what Terps would say on here, but he has become a caricature at this point.
he is going to Dallas or Philly.  
GMAN4LIFE : 11/7/2019 11:33 am : link
i have zero doubt
RE: I just don't get why Terps is here  
Sean : 11/7/2019 11:42 am : link
In comment 14668101 figgy2989 said:
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Other than trying to incite people.

If he is so smart and has all the answers, why is he on a fan message board? Shouldn't he be a GM or in an NFL front office somewhere. He constantly tells us how things should be and what moves should be made, but yet he still graces us with his presence on this board.

Bottom line is we are all fans. There are definitely some insightful people on this board and I used to appreciate what Terps would say on here, but he has become a caricature at this point.


The truth hurts. Terps is good to have around - knowledgeable and fair. Always has been.
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