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Rated 1-10 in three phases of his job:
-free agency
-draft
-trades
The ratings are weighted based on the performance/outlook of the player versus the cost to acquire/dispose. It's subjective, yes. But player evaluations/transactions are subjective and it's at least a structured attempt at evaluating DG. For these purposes, I'm leaving Eli out of it assuming Mara was the major decision influence there.
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Jamon Brown
Michael Thomas
Spencer Pulley
Big George
DeAndre Baker
Weston Richburg
Ryan Connelly (nice player, small sample size, serious injury)
and undervalue:
Antonie Bethea (but not by much)
Saquon Barkley
Darius Slayton
I like the kind of analysis you're doing here, though.
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I know that 3 for SB would be controversial. My view on using the #2 for any RB given the state of the franchise. If 5 is average return for the investment, I don't think a 3 is too harsh.
a special teams standout captain at his cost? Absolutely.
And I have my reservations about SB but to give him s 3 and Baker a 6?
You are not being consistent in considering the round. Sometimes it seems like you are and sometimes not
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To give Barkley a 3 yet you give Jones an 8. I get people were upset at taking a rb, even a generational one, with the 2nd pick. But given you gave Jones an 8 so now we potentially got our QB and stud RB defies logic.
Sorry, didn’t bother reading the rest after that.
I know that 3 for SB would be controversial. My view on using the #2 for any RB given the state of the franchise. If 5 is average return for the investment, I don't think a 3 is too harsh.
That’s not subjective...it’s personal based upon your contempt and not supported by any logic of what a value pick would have been. A 3 to a generational talent, even if taken too high based upon team need loses credibility. And most draft gurus hold to the theory not to draft on need. Would you have taken a guard or baker or Darnold instead?.....
The Giants have 13 players who have started or who starting potential from the drafts and college free agency
No matter how you feel about Giants management that is great productivity
The Giants are 7–18 under his watch. 3-18 vs teams with starting QBs. 2-19 if Gay makes a field goal he probably hits 99 times/100.
The arrow is pointing down and I have no faith he can fix it with his record to date. Jones and Barkley have flashed but much too early to declare their picks a success. But hey at least organizational culture survey scores are high and everyone is singing kumbaya
And I have my reservations about SB but to give him s 3 and Baker a 6?
You are not being consistent in considering the round. Sometimes it seems like you are and sometimes not
I think Slayton's potential for a 5th round investment scores slightly higher for Baker's 1st round investment.
FWIW, I was in the if they don't love a QB, trade for a ton of draft capital camp.
Even generational RBs [who get injured too...] need an OL
thank you
The Giants have 13 players who have started or who starting potential from the drafts and college free agency
No matter how you feel about Giants management that is great productivity
a starter label itself on a 2-7 team doesn't make it productive. performance is the key and I don't see his draft picks really outperforming their draft capital. A 5 rating on a 2nd rounder should contribute more than a 5 rating on a 5th rounder.
yes - but as an emergency fill in guard/center, i think pulley is a nice pickup for the cost by DG.
The Giants are 7–18 under his watch. 3-18 vs teams with starting QBs. 2-19 if Gay makes a field goal he probably hits 99 times/100.
The arrow is pointing down and I have no faith he can fix it with his record to date. Jones and Barkley have flashed but much too early to declare their picks a success. But hey at least organizational culture survey scores are high and everyone is singing kumbaya
well said. The point of this post is how much of this blame do you put on DG vs the coaching staff. IMO, this is not a winning roster that DG has put together.
Acting like there is something wrong with the people that suggest going with the data on RBs is the correct thing that's becoming an incredibly tiring trope. "Generational talent blah blah" at least bring something new to the table if you want to fly in the face of strong analytical evidence.
I also believe that is disingenuous to diminish the players drafted
There are 5-6 players that could start on any team
The other 7 players are good players who have a chance to be part of the Giants future
I also believe that is disingenuous to diminish the players drafted
There are 5-6 players that could start on any team
The other 7 players are good players who have a chance to be part of the Giants future
Sure - but do our 2nd/3rd rounders really outperform their draft slot? Or is their return so so compared to their investment? It's why for example, I give Slayton and Connelly higher grades than Hernandez.
Acting like there is something wrong with the people that suggest going with the data on RBs is the correct thing that's becoming an incredibly tiring trope. "Generational talent blah blah" at least bring something new to the table if you want to fly in the face of strong analytical evidence.
Can you provide this strong analytical data that you incessantly speak of? I’d like to check it out
What did he need to do for a 5, cure cancer?
Pretty much a waste of time.
It also seems strange that I'm a charter member of the Eli Fan Boy Club while my Uncle drafted his replacement.
Pretty much a waste of time.
i said it was subjective - besides the barkley lightning rod - where in your subjective opinion to you differ?
What did he need to do for a 5, cure cancer?
because pro bowl RBs do far less for a team's win / loss record than other positions. It's not the player, but the ROI on a #2.
The team is 10 games under .500 when the hand of God is starting...
The Giants are 7–18 under his watch. 3-18 vs teams with starting QBs. 2-19 if Gay makes a field goal he probably hits 99 times/100.
The arrow is pointing down and I have no faith he can fix it with his record to date. Jones and Barkley have flashed but much too early to declare their picks a success. But hey at least organizational culture survey scores are high and everyone is singing kumbaya
Kind of tired reading about that missed fg. Did you give them any extra wins for the 60+ yard field goals made against them the past few years..... didn’t think so
They WON the game because Daniel Jones did something that hasn’t happened in the previous 15 years, lead a comeback from 18 down.
They won, despite your spin on the game
So other than the Barkley pick, everyone is awesome regardless of on field performance? Would have maybe be easier to just write that.
The Giants are 7–18 under his watch. 3-18 vs teams with starting QBs. 2-19 if Gay makes a field goal he probably hits 99 times/100.
The arrow is pointing down and I have no faith he can fix it with his record to date. Jones and Barkley have flashed but much too early to declare their picks a success. But hey at least organizational culture survey scores are high and everyone is singing kumbaya
Hmm, so you point out a FG that probably is made 9 out of 10 times, but didn't mention 2 or 3 FGs that are made less than 1 out of 10 - the +58 yarders.
I also think you’re giving Baker way too high a grade. He’s shown some disturbing performance tendencies this season and is a 1sr rounder.
Most importantly, where’s the grade for picking Shurmur?
I want to see a v2.
The Giants are 7–18 under his watch. 3-18 vs teams with starting QBs. 2-19 if Gay makes a field goal he probably hits 99 times/100.
The arrow is pointing down and I have no faith he can fix it with his record to date. Jones and Barkley have flashed but much too early to declare their picks a success. But hey at least organizational culture survey scores are high and everyone is singing kumbaya
Oh poor Les, at least the cause of all that losing is on the bench now...you really are boobtastic!
I also think you�re giving Baker way too high a grade. He�s shown some disturbing performance tendencies this season and is a 1sr rounder.
Most importantly, where�s the grade for picking Shurmur?
The first jamon was the cost of picking him up on waivers. The second was the decision to let him go at his free agent contract he got elsewhere.
Thinking of Landon the same way. The decision not to match WAS contract was a good one versus his contribution.
I want to see a v2.
It’s based on the transaction decision
Connely a 10 for a 5th rounder, yes
Okwara cut a 1, yes
Flowers cut a 10, yes
Wouldn't his grade be "incomplete", but if you had to assign a number it be more in the 5-7 range? A 10 under any scale is the highest you can be.