I agree with you on the Kris Richard mention - not that I really know his work, but when everyone else is looking for the next big offensive guru to work their magic with Jones, I'd rather have a defensive minded coach for the next guy. I'd rather someone else have the responsibility for getting the most out of the QB, someone whose full time job isn't getting the entire team to produce and who can narrow in their focus on just Jones.
I ragged on Peppers after the last game, and he played better. Maybe I should try Saquon. He ran soft in school, but last year I had hopes he would be able to change his game enough to be a consistently effective NFL RB. Consistency is the best trait a RB can offer an NFL team, and vital for the way the Giants are trying to play offense. I spent much of the game wondering how much more effective Ahmad Bradshaw would have been playing in it.
Saquon is a wonderful athlete in incredible shape. I wonder if he's in love with his own physical perfection, and protecting it is his top priority? I remember a play of his I watched in college where two tacklers converged on him who were sure to make the tackle. His response? He lay down and curled up. Literally.
I remember a Bradshaw opponent say that trying to tackle him was like trying to tackle an alligator. Maybe Saquon needs a little gator.
I ragged on Peppers after the last game, and he played better. Maybe I should try Saquon. He ran soft in school, but last year I had hopes he would be able to change his game enough to be a consistently effective NFL RB. Consistency is the best trait a RB can offer an NFL team, and vital for the way the Giants are trying to play offense. I spent much of the game wondering how much more effective Ahmad Bradshaw would have been playing in it.
Saquon is a wonderful athlete in incredible shape. I wonder if he's in love with his own physical perfection, and protecting it is his top priority? I remember a play of his I watched in college where two tacklers converged on him who were sure to make the tackle. His response? He lay down and curled up. Literally.
I remember a Bradshaw opponent say that trying to tackle him was like trying to tackle an alligator. Maybe Saquon needs a little gator.
Love Bradshaw, but his style was really hard on his body. He has the hardware to show for it though.
Week after week this clueless coaching staff plays halapio Â
Sy: -Center Jon Halapio didn’t get any push against a defensive line that is known for being undersized. I’m not sure why he continues to get the nod...Spencer Pulley. He just looks slow. DAL sent a couple long-developing stunts and blitzes right up the middle and he barely even acknowledged them. His reaction time isn’t good enough.
He's the worst center in the NFL. Between Hunter and Shurmur I don't know who shoulders more blame for the mistake of first choosing this guy and now stubbornly keeps rolling him out there. Pulley isn't some stud but he's a functional player and was part of an improved unit last season. For fucksake try him in there. He literally can't be worse.
RE: Week after week this clueless coaching staff plays halapio Â
Sy: -Center Jon Halapio didn’t get any push against a defensive line that is known for being undersized. I’m not sure why he continues to get the nod...Spencer Pulley. He just looks slow. DAL sent a couple long-developing stunts and blitzes right up the middle and he barely even acknowledged them. His reaction time isn’t good enough.
He's the worst center in the NFL. Between Hunter and Shurmur I don't know who shoulders more blame for the mistake of first choosing this guy and now stubbornly keeps rolling him out there. Pulley isn't some stud but he's a functional player and was part of an improved unit last season. For fucksake try him in there. He literally can't be worse.
Jon is hurt now and a free agent. Hoping him and Bethea never see the field again wearing a giant uniform. They have cost us games more than anyone else on this team.
In Barkley's defense, it's difficult to run hard and downhill Â
when your team's offense is primarily in the shotgun. That's also true of offensive linemen when it comes to physical run-blocking. And yet Shurmur for some inconceivable reason has fallen in love with the shotgun formation ever since Daniel Jones was inserted into the starting lineup. Look at Barkley's highlight film from last season. Look at Jones' success in the preseason. You will see a lot more of the QB under center, downhill running, and play-action passing off of it. As for the refusal to run the ball outside/off tackle or the lack of plays in which Barkley is in space, blame the play caller/designer. As I said weeks ago, this offense should look the way Minnesota's does right now. Dalvin Cook running with a fullback and tight end or multiple tight ends in front of him, then downfield play action passing off of it. Elijhaa Penny is as much of a waste of a roster spot as Tanney if the coach refuses to use him. I'm not completely absolving Barkley of blame (I don't think he's been the same since the injury), but I don't see how any back could be successful lining up in the shotgun this much behind this offensive line.
You can envy EE, but he's just a different player than Barkley. EE is a steady pounder, while Saquon is a HR hitter. Barkley has more 40 yard plays already than EE has in his entire career. Since the start of last season, Saquon has more 20+ yard runs than EE despite 113 less carries. Imagine if the play caller/designer actually ran the ball outside/off the edges.
I'm still not sure how the Jones' run is a fumble if the play is supposed to be dead as soon as he dives headfirst or slides.
Carter and Ximines get blocked WAY too easily on running plays by opposing tight ends.
Yep, saw that about Barkley..He hesitates far too much. I see holes, that close because he hasn't hit it quick enough. And why does Shurmur always take the guy out after a big play? Always. Is his conditioning so bad he can't stay out.
I think Jones takes far too long to pull the trigger on checkdowns. You can see Barkley or Gallman in the flat, wideopen and Jones just ignores it until a LB gets there leaving no gain. Maybe that goes to your thoughts on not using Barkley in space.
Thought Carter was giving the LT fits - 2 holding penalties. But too much overpusuit by the back side end or LB gave Zeke all those yards.
Mayo and Ogletree are just too damn slow. Mayo sees the play, he tries to get there, just too late, always a step late.
Agree that Ballentine was good to see out there and much better than Haley.
That would be funny if it were not for the fact that it is tragic.
It looks like he will finally not be starting, but only because of an injury.
Thought that was a strange quote. If he was just standing there, why did Saquon just run into him? Yes it did happen and yes I did see that and said WTF. I also saw another one where Saquon either tripped over his own feet or Michael Bennett seemed to stick his foot out to trip him - 4th qtr -but there was a huge hole and Barkley got two yards.
He’s injured with a bad leg (running backs use their legs sometimes don’t they?) and playing behind a line that can’t block with a rookie QB that probably can’t read the defense and a clueless coaching staff that doesn’t know enough to sit him. But sure, he’s soft and tentative. Ridiculous.
RE: Week after week this clueless coaching staff plays halapio Â
Sy: -Center Jon Halapio didn’t get any push against a defensive line that is known for being undersized. I’m not sure why he continues to get the nod...Spencer Pulley. He just looks slow. DAL sent a couple long-developing stunts and blitzes right up the middle and he barely even acknowledged them. His reaction time isn’t good enough.
He's the worst center in the NFL. Between Hunter and Shurmur I don't know who shoulders more blame for the mistake of first choosing this guy and now stubbornly keeps rolling him out there. Pulley isn't some stud but he's a functional player and was part of an improved unit last season. For fucksake try him in there. He literally can't be worse.
Between Hunter and Shurmur you don't know who shoulders more blame for choosing him?
Does Gettleman get any credit for picking the players on the roster?
I ragged on Peppers after the last game, and he played better. Maybe I should try Saquon. He ran soft in school, but last year I had hopes he would be able to change his game enough to be a consistently effective NFL RB. Consistency is the best trait a RB can offer an NFL team, and vital for the way the Giants are trying to play offense. I spent much of the game wondering how much more effective Ahmad Bradshaw would have been playing in it.
Saquon is a wonderful athlete in incredible shape. I wonder if he's in love with his own physical perfection, and protecting it is his top priority? I remember a play of his I watched in college where two tacklers converged on him who were sure to make the tackle. His response? He lay down and curled up. Literally.
I remember a Bradshaw opponent say that trying to tackle him was like trying to tackle an alligator. Maybe Saquon needs a little gator.
I recall announcers saying that Bradshaw used to run "angry"!
He’s injured with a bad leg (running backs use their legs sometimes don’t they?) and playing behind a line that can’t block with a rookie QB that probably can’t read the defense and a clueless coaching staff that doesn’t know enough to sit him. But sure, he’s soft and tentative. Ridiculous.
I wouldn't call him soft but he has been tentative and hesitates to hit a hole where he could get 4 yds but instead tries for the big move resulting in no yds, 2nd and 6 is a lot better than 2nd and 10.
the draft. I don't think he's suggesting that Barkley is soft, I think he sees his play regressing and isn't sure how much of it is getting popped behind the line on a regular basis and how much of it is the injury.
But if you see Barkley now and think he's the same player as last season, I don't think we're watching the same game.
Great review Sy. And yes that's the exact word for Barkley right now. Â
Soft. Between how he's being used by Shurmur and how he's running it's a big disappointment and so obvious. And at this point I don't know how they stop Jones fumbling issues but it can't continue. Rookie or no rookie. I expect interceptions by a rookie but not this epidemic of fumbles.
Just a clarification, he has fumbled 10 times. He has lost 8 of those fumbles. He recovered one and an OL recovered another. It needs to stop.
The bigger concern is his pocket presence and internal clock. He has been sacked 26 times. Yes, we know the OL isn't good. It has been the NY Giants legacy for a decade. But he needs to speed up his reads and get rid of the ball. Being a tackling dummy isn't courageous/heroic.
poor in-line blocking, but he was supposed to be a good blocker v lb's and db's, yet it seems that dopey ps has him regularly blocking DE's straight up
Just a clarification, he has fumbled 10 times. He has lost 8 of those fumbles. He recovered one and an OL recovered another. It needs to stop.
The bigger concern is his pocket presence and internal clock. He has been sacked 26 times. Yes, we know the OL isn't good. It has been the NY Giants legacy for a decade. But he needs to speed up his reads and get rid of the ball. Being a tackling dummy isn't courageous/heroic.
This is, I believe, correct. He just takes too long. It is why I said he doesn't get the ball to the outlet quick enough. He tries to extend plays and by the time he determines nothing is there he is either late to the outlet or sacked.
He’s injured with a bad leg (running backs use their legs sometimes don’t they?) and playing behind a line that can’t block with a rookie QB that probably can’t read the defense and a clueless coaching staff that doesn’t know enough to sit him. But sure, he’s soft and tentative. Ridiculous.
No offense to you or your opinion but, I see the same damn thing. He waits to make a move and runs laterally a lot when forward is the best option. Yes, he is a homerun hitter but he takes losses way way too much and tends to not take the gap that would guarantee 3 to 4 yards and try for something else, resulting in losses way more often this year. A lot goes into it but, Barkley is not immune from criticism jsut because he is our "star" player.
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Would be huge if we can count on these guys as main pieces on the D moving forward. Hopefully L. Williams can join them. I still think Baker is going to be an answer moving forward. Let him take his lumps this year.
I don't know that I'd say Saquon is playing soft. I think the injury might have him off his game. If anything though, he seems to be trying to do too much since he came back.
...who said Jon Halapio would be fine in this newly constructed offensive line.
That list was pretty long.
Ahhh… how the Giants looked legit in the warm glow of mid-July.
I think your "list" wasn't that long. It isn't revisionist on my part. The consensus was that so long as Zeitler was healthy (he has not been) and Hernandez continues to progress that Halapio would be fine with superior talent around him. It was accepted that if Halapio was the worst/weakest link on the OL than the OL would be much improved.
It was the fallacy of placing our eggs in the Remmers basket. There were a vocal minority that was absolutely against it. Yet, many were celebrating the signing after the draft as finally addressing RT. Eric was posting pictures of Remmers as a Viking boasting that this is what a RT looks like. Yet, he wasn't even healthy enough to participate in non-contact drills in shorts/t-shirt 2 months from opening day.
We would have been better served in secreting Wheeler away to an Eastern European girls gymnast camp to get "stronger" while stockpiling clean piss for him to use with a Whizzinator. We all know that Wheeler sucked, but it wasn't for lack of effort. He was just weak and slow.
Really did kind of completely gloss over the fact that remmers Â
was coming off back surgery for an offensive lineman. So many people wanted to be positive about this offseason that any excuse was used to justify saying pleased about it.
Betting on a tackle with a bad back and being fully aware they had no roster depth at the position. It's stupid.
lost in all the Danielmania is the fact that Barkley is the marked man in this offense. He draws a crowd wherever he goes. Jesus, he's even got a couple of guys waiting for him on swing passes. Barkley is a great back, but he can't run through 3 guys laying in wait for him. This offense, with its emphasis on short passes and its lack of a deep threat outside of a raw rookie, helps DC's to crowd the middle of the field and stay closer to the LOS.
If you were a DC, isn't this exactly how you would play it? Stop the home run hitter and make the TO-prone rookie passer beat you.
The 'consensus' (if there was one) was that Halapio would be better than Pulley (not a high bar) and that with Hernandez and Zeitler around him the interior OL would be a plus.
As for Remmers, few thought he was a long term solution. Most (including the front office) viewed him as a below average RT and a stopgap that would be better than Wheeler.
RE: Really did kind of completely gloss over the fact that remmers Â
was coming off back surgery for an offensive lineman. So many people wanted to be positive about this offseason that any excuse was used to justify saying pleased about it.
Betting on a tackle with a bad back and being fully aware they had no roster depth at the position. It's stupid.
Was that directed at me? I didn't mean to gloss over his injury. I've been pointing it out since the idea of signing him was proposed. I also didn't want Williams in FA coming off an ACL. Williams has signed a prove-it deal and has shown to be healthy so I wouldn't be opposed this year. I just don't think we are good enough with depth to take chances on players with prove-it deals.
I think a better strategy outside of the juiced Wheeler plan would have been to draft OL early instead of DG opting to cluster draft an entire defensive secondary and then settle for Big George.
Fixing the OL was one of the priorities of DG. Addressing the OL with late round draft picks or players coming off the ambulatory squad is not going to fix the OL.
...who said Jon Halapio would be fine in this newly constructed offensive line.
That list was pretty long.
Ahhh… how the Giants looked legit in the warm glow of mid-July.
So what? I was one of those that expected Halapio to be pretty decent. Are we also supposed to turn in our Giants secret decoder rings because we thought he'd be decent? As fans we hope that the players we have can be league average or better. We all hoped that a healthy Solder, a bigger Halapio, adding Zeitler and Remmers would give the offense a spark, Hernandez would further develop into a top 10 guard.
Maybe Greg will stop acting like he's CC Brown 2.0. I think Peppers will take a huge step forward if the Giants put a decent FS next to him. Honestly I think some of his issues this season are due to him trying to overcompensate for Bethea.
Kris Richard is on my wishlist of HC options. I love hearing that he gets the best out of his players. He is exactly what this franchise needs.
If Jason Garrett is fired, which I think he will be, then the Giants could bring Rod Marinelli over as the DC. They would need a top OC because of Daniel Jones but I would look to Jay Gruden asa OC and do whatever it took to bring Bill Callahan over as OL coach. That would be an impressive coaching staff.
Barkley is "Playing Soft" wouldnt that make him a terrible pick? He has all the tools to be the best in the league, but the #2 overall pick as a RB needs to be better that that year 2.
He is the 6th highest paid RB in the league in his 2nd year. I just cant see how this was a good pick considering that the position usually has quality players available in FA that can be had at a similar cost. Quentin Nelson on the other hand is the 23rd highest paid player at his position getting paid less than half of what the top OG is getting and $4 million less than we are paying Zeitler.
The value of a RB at #2 for a bad team just isnt there. I love the kid and he is everything you want to root for in a player, we just over drafted him since we needed so many other players that could offer better value for the spot taken.
So if we can’t establish the run to keep the heat off Jones why did we Â
Draft Barkley at #2?
I saw what most saw the last few games that Barkley looks tentative and reluctant to pick up the dirty yards. His pass blocking needs work. He needs to be the engine behind this offense. I know the OL is not great but he needs to put his nose in there and stop waiting for the home run. I thought I would never say that Elliott is much better. I question his toughness at this point. If he is still hurt then feature Gallman. He gets the dirty yards.
Barkley is "Playing Soft" wouldnt that make him a terrible pick? He has all the tools to be the best in the league, but the #2 overall pick as a RB needs to be better that that year 2.
He is the 6th highest paid RB in the league in his 2nd year. I just cant see how this was a good pick considering that the position usually has quality players available in FA that can be had at a similar cost. Quentin Nelson on the other hand is the 23rd highest paid player at his position getting paid less than half of what the top OG is getting and $4 million less than we are paying Zeitler.
The value of a RB at #2 for a bad team just isnt there. I love the kid and he is everything you want to root for in a player, we just over drafted him since we needed so many other players that could offer better value for the spot taken.
1. There's a salary scale which is distorting your "rankings". If Nelson was taken #2 overall, he'd be earning nearly $8M average which would be the 5th highest for LGs (he's 7th highest paid LG now) or 17th highest paid OG.
2. By including all "guards", you're doubling the number of players and starting positions which is obviously going to skew the ranking.
Maybe Greg will stop acting like he's CC Brown 2.0. I think Peppers will take a huge step forward if the Giants put a decent FS next to him. Honestly I think some of his issues this season are due to him trying to overcompensate for Bethea.
At worst, Peppers is a poor man's Collins at 1/5th (or less) the cost. With his athleticism, he has the potential to be better in coverage, but we'll see if he ever develops the instincts. If not, his ceiling is probably Collins, which is still very valuable at his current cost.
Good review but I was on the barkley train in early 2017 Â
Speaking of SB, he doesnt look the same but I think a lot of that is due to how bad halapio and the rest of the line has been. I really don't see what in the world the staff sees in that guy.
..that said over the summer that Halapio's level of performance would have a HUGE impact on the overall offensive production? Assuming he would be the 4th 'dud' this week.
The interior 3 as a unit is one of the biggest disappointments of the season, and the inside run game & cleanliness of the pocket is really below league average.
Interesting list of guys running the four teams Sy cites as being able to get their playmakers into space; Turner, McVay, Peyton, and Kubiak (Stefanski is OC, but is still learning on the job). Room to grow there for Shurmur. Better get going on the self-scouting, Coach.
Thanks, Sy. Best read on the GMen on a week-to-week basis, even if the evaluations aren't putting smiles on anybody's faces!
RE: Week after week this clueless coaching staff plays halapio Â
Sy: -Center Jon Halapio didn’t get any push against a defensive line that is known for being undersized. I’m not sure why he continues to get the nod...Spencer Pulley. He just looks slow. DAL sent a couple long-developing stunts and blitzes right up the middle and he barely even acknowledged them. His reaction time isn’t good enough.
He's the worst center in the NFL. Between Hunter and Shurmur I don't know who shoulders more blame for the mistake of first choosing this guy and now stubbornly keeps rolling him out there. Pulley isn't some stud but he's a functional player and was part of an improved unit last season. For fucksake try him in there. He literally can't be worse.
Thanks Sy. Great review as usual...
Where is FMiC now?
Sy is making the exact same point I made, on the exact same type of players.
In my thread I when I questioned his mental abilities, I made it clear that it wasn't raw intelligence, it was speed of processing.
FMiC, are you willing to admit yet, that it is possible that I saw a pattern early on, perhaps before others, a pattern that has continued unabated?
RE: RE: Week after week this clueless coaching staff plays halapio Â
Sy: -Center Jon Halapio didn’t get any push against a defensive line that is known for being undersized. I’m not sure why he continues to get the nod...Spencer Pulley. He just looks slow. DAL sent a couple long-developing stunts and blitzes right up the middle and he barely even acknowledged them. His reaction time isn’t good enough.
He's the worst center in the NFL. Between Hunter and Shurmur I don't know who shoulders more blame for the mistake of first choosing this guy and now stubbornly keeps rolling him out there. Pulley isn't some stud but he's a functional player and was part of an improved unit last season. For fucksake try him in there. He literally can't be worse.
Thanks Sy. Great review as usual...
Where is FMiC now?
Sy is making the exact same point I made, on the exact same type of players.
In my thread I when I questioned his mental abilities, I made it clear that it wasn't raw intelligence, it was speed of processing.
FMiC, are you willing to admit yet, that it is possible that I saw a pattern early on, perhaps before others, a pattern that has continued unabated?
Why are you provoking an argument? I believe fmic took issue with you claiming Halapio didn't have the smarts to play the position. Also you were claiming you knew without doubt what players assignments were. I believe if you wouldn't state ideas that aren't proven as if they are there wouldn't be much issue.
RE: In Barkley's defense, it's difficult to run hard and downhill Â
when your team's offense is primarily in the shotgun. That's also true of offensive linemen when it comes to physical run-blocking. And yet Shurmur for some inconceivable reason has fallen in love with the shotgun formation ever since Daniel Jones was inserted into the starting lineup. Look at Barkley's highlight film from last season. Look at Jones' success in the preseason. You will see a lot more of the QB under center, downhill running, and play-action passing off of it. As for the refusal to run the ball outside/off tackle or the lack of plays in which Barkley is in space, blame the play caller/designer. As I said weeks ago, this offense should look the way Minnesota's does right now. Dalvin Cook running with a fullback and tight end or multiple tight ends in front of him, then downfield play action passing off of it. Elijhaa Penny is as much of a waste of a roster spot as Tanney if the coach refuses to use him. I'm not completely absolving Barkley of blame (I don't think he's been the same since the injury), but I don't see how any back could be successful lining up in the shotgun this much behind this offensive line.
You can envy EE, but he's just a different player than Barkley. EE is a steady pounder, while Saquon is a HR hitter. Barkley has more 40 yard plays already than EE has in his entire career. Since the start of last season, Saquon has more 20+ yard runs than EE despite 113 less carries. Imagine if the play caller/designer actually ran the ball outside/off the edges.
I'm still not sure how the Jones' run is a fumble if the play is supposed to be dead as soon as he dives headfirst or slides.
Carter and Ximines get blocked WAY too easily on running plays by opposing tight ends.
A downhill running RB, FB and pulling G wears out a D, let alone takes the ball out of the hands of a TO machine QB.
McL trying to rile up FMIC to have the same exact argument.
Jay, are you ever going to call him out on anything?
And, Yep...
Let's see if he has any self awareness that he is usually the one to stir things up. And lets see if he has enough character to admit when he's made a mistake.
I'm betting its neither.
He will come on to this thread and curse me, and call me arrogant. He will take what I wrote out of its context and twist it yet again.
But when you look at what I wrote, it was highlighting the exact same issue and the plays I linked were the exact kind of plays that Sy writes about. What I wrote, I put a as a doubt, which is even milder than what Sy has written here. I just didn't take the time to draft it the way Sy did.
When people talk about self awareness if they are aware we all suffer from lack of awareness time and time again throughout our lives. The goal is to lessen it, but I don't think we ever escape it.
I agree with you on the Kris Richard mention - not that I really know his work, but when everyone else is looking for the next big offensive guru to work their magic with Jones, I'd rather have a defensive minded coach for the next guy. I'd rather someone else have the responsibility for getting the most out of the QB, someone whose full time job isn't getting the entire team to produce and who can narrow in their focus on just Jones.
I ragged on Peppers after the last game, and he played better. Maybe I should try Saquon. He ran soft in school, but last year I had hopes he would be able to change his game enough to be a consistently effective NFL RB. Consistency is the best trait a RB can offer an NFL team, and vital for the way the Giants are trying to play offense. I spent much of the game wondering how much more effective Ahmad Bradshaw would have been playing in it.
Saquon is a wonderful athlete in incredible shape. I wonder if he's in love with his own physical perfection, and protecting it is his top priority? I remember a play of his I watched in college where two tacklers converged on him who were sure to make the tackle. His response? He lay down and curled up. Literally.
I remember a Bradshaw opponent say that trying to tackle him was like trying to tackle an alligator. Maybe Saquon needs a little gator.
I ragged on Peppers after the last game, and he played better. Maybe I should try Saquon. He ran soft in school, but last year I had hopes he would be able to change his game enough to be a consistently effective NFL RB. Consistency is the best trait a RB can offer an NFL team, and vital for the way the Giants are trying to play offense. I spent much of the game wondering how much more effective Ahmad Bradshaw would have been playing in it.
Saquon is a wonderful athlete in incredible shape. I wonder if he's in love with his own physical perfection, and protecting it is his top priority? I remember a play of his I watched in college where two tacklers converged on him who were sure to make the tackle. His response? He lay down and curled up. Literally.
I remember a Bradshaw opponent say that trying to tackle him was like trying to tackle an alligator. Maybe Saquon needs a little gator.
He's the worst center in the NFL. Between Hunter and Shurmur I don't know who shoulders more blame for the mistake of first choosing this guy and now stubbornly keeps rolling him out there. Pulley isn't some stud but he's a functional player and was part of an improved unit last season. For fucksake try him in there. He literally can't be worse.
He's the worst center in the NFL. Between Hunter and Shurmur I don't know who shoulders more blame for the mistake of first choosing this guy and now stubbornly keeps rolling him out there. Pulley isn't some stud but he's a functional player and was part of an improved unit last season. For fucksake try him in there. He literally can't be worse.
Jon is hurt now and a free agent. Hoping him and Bethea never see the field again wearing a giant uniform. They have cost us games more than anyone else on this team.
You can envy EE, but he's just a different player than Barkley. EE is a steady pounder, while Saquon is a HR hitter. Barkley has more 40 yard plays already than EE has in his entire career. Since the start of last season, Saquon has more 20+ yard runs than EE despite 113 less carries. Imagine if the play caller/designer actually ran the ball outside/off the edges.
I'm still not sure how the Jones' run is a fumble if the play is supposed to be dead as soon as he dives headfirst or slides.
Carter and Ximines get blocked WAY too easily on running plays by opposing tight ends.
I think Jones takes far too long to pull the trigger on checkdowns. You can see Barkley or Gallman in the flat, wideopen and Jones just ignores it until a LB gets there leaving no gain. Maybe that goes to your thoughts on not using Barkley in space.
Thought Carter was giving the LT fits - 2 holding penalties. But too much overpusuit by the back side end or LB gave Zeke all those yards.
Mayo and Ogletree are just too damn slow. Mayo sees the play, he tries to get there, just too late, always a step late.
Agree that Ballentine was good to see out there and much better than Haley.
It looks like he will finally not be starting, but only because of an injury.
It looks like he will finally not be starting, but only because of an injury.
Thought that was a strange quote. If he was just standing there, why did Saquon just run into him? Yes it did happen and yes I did see that and said WTF. I also saw another one where Saquon either tripped over his own feet or Michael Bennett seemed to stick his foot out to trip him - 4th qtr -but there was a huge hole and Barkley got two yards.
It is so stark how much more physical, agressive and productive Elliot looks compared to Barkley. Not good.
As a theme in your review, the team is physically soft and mentally soft as well.
10 - 31 since the start of 2017
Horrible
He's the worst center in the NFL. Between Hunter and Shurmur I don't know who shoulders more blame for the mistake of first choosing this guy and now stubbornly keeps rolling him out there. Pulley isn't some stud but he's a functional player and was part of an improved unit last season. For fucksake try him in there. He literally can't be worse.
Between Hunter and Shurmur you don't know who shoulders more blame for choosing him?
Does Gettleman get any credit for picking the players on the roster?
I ragged on Peppers after the last game, and he played better. Maybe I should try Saquon. He ran soft in school, but last year I had hopes he would be able to change his game enough to be a consistently effective NFL RB. Consistency is the best trait a RB can offer an NFL team, and vital for the way the Giants are trying to play offense. I spent much of the game wondering how much more effective Ahmad Bradshaw would have been playing in it.
Saquon is a wonderful athlete in incredible shape. I wonder if he's in love with his own physical perfection, and protecting it is his top priority? I remember a play of his I watched in college where two tacklers converged on him who were sure to make the tackle. His response? He lay down and curled up. Literally.
I remember a Bradshaw opponent say that trying to tackle him was like trying to tackle an alligator. Maybe Saquon needs a little gator.
I recall announcers saying that Bradshaw used to run "angry"!
I wouldn't call him soft but he has been tentative and hesitates to hit a hole where he could get 4 yds but instead tries for the big move resulting in no yds, 2nd and 6 is a lot better than 2nd and 10.
But if you see Barkley now and think he's the same player as last season, I don't think we're watching the same game.
The bigger concern is his pocket presence and internal clock. He has been sacked 26 times. Yes, we know the OL isn't good. It has been the NY Giants legacy for a decade. But he needs to speed up his reads and get rid of the ball. Being a tackling dummy isn't courageous/heroic.
The bigger concern is his pocket presence and internal clock. He has been sacked 26 times. Yes, we know the OL isn't good. It has been the NY Giants legacy for a decade. But he needs to speed up his reads and get rid of the ball. Being a tackling dummy isn't courageous/heroic.
This is, I believe, correct. He just takes too long. It is why I said he doesn't get the ball to the outlet quick enough. He tries to extend plays and by the time he determines nothing is there he is either late to the outlet or sacked.
No offense to you or your opinion but, I see the same damn thing. He waits to make a move and runs laterally a lot when forward is the best option. Yes, he is a homerun hitter but he takes losses way way too much and tends to not take the gap that would guarantee 3 to 4 yards and try for something else, resulting in losses way more often this year. A lot goes into it but, Barkley is not immune from criticism jsut because he is our "star" player.
...leaves me with the unalterable impression that this franchise is not only a bottom-dweller, but will continue to be a bottom-dweller long term.
Not good when you're forced to focus on next year's spring Draft in late October.
Not good at all.
...who said Jon Halapio would be fine in this newly constructed offensive line.
That list was pretty long.
Ahhh… how the Giants looked legit in the warm glow of mid-July.
In other words, do you think we have players playing poorly that may be adequate under another coaching staff?
I don't know that I'd say Saquon is playing soft. I think the injury might have him off his game. If anything though, he seems to be trying to do too much since he came back.
...who said Jon Halapio would be fine in this newly constructed offensive line.
That list was pretty long.
Ahhh… how the Giants looked legit in the warm glow of mid-July.
I think your "list" wasn't that long. It isn't revisionist on my part. The consensus was that so long as Zeitler was healthy (he has not been) and Hernandez continues to progress that Halapio would be fine with superior talent around him. It was accepted that if Halapio was the worst/weakest link on the OL than the OL would be much improved.
It was the fallacy of placing our eggs in the Remmers basket. There were a vocal minority that was absolutely against it. Yet, many were celebrating the signing after the draft as finally addressing RT. Eric was posting pictures of Remmers as a Viking boasting that this is what a RT looks like. Yet, he wasn't even healthy enough to participate in non-contact drills in shorts/t-shirt 2 months from opening day.
We would have been better served in secreting Wheeler away to an Eastern European girls gymnast camp to get "stronger" while stockpiling clean piss for him to use with a Whizzinator. We all know that Wheeler sucked, but it wasn't for lack of effort. He was just weak and slow.
Betting on a tackle with a bad back and being fully aware they had no roster depth at the position. It's stupid.
If you were a DC, isn't this exactly how you would play it? Stop the home run hitter and make the TO-prone rookie passer beat you.
As for Remmers, few thought he was a long term solution. Most (including the front office) viewed him as a below average RT and a stopgap that would be better than Wheeler.
Betting on a tackle with a bad back and being fully aware they had no roster depth at the position. It's stupid.
Was that directed at me? I didn't mean to gloss over his injury. I've been pointing it out since the idea of signing him was proposed. I also didn't want Williams in FA coming off an ACL. Williams has signed a prove-it deal and has shown to be healthy so I wouldn't be opposed this year. I just don't think we are good enough with depth to take chances on players with prove-it deals.
I think a better strategy outside of the juiced Wheeler plan would have been to draft OL early instead of DG opting to cluster draft an entire defensive secondary and then settle for Big George.
Fixing the OL was one of the priorities of DG. Addressing the OL with late round draft picks or players coming off the ambulatory squad is not going to fix the OL.
...who said Jon Halapio would be fine in this newly constructed offensive line.
That list was pretty long.
Ahhh… how the Giants looked legit in the warm glow of mid-July.
So what? I was one of those that expected Halapio to be pretty decent. Are we also supposed to turn in our Giants secret decoder rings because we thought he'd be decent? As fans we hope that the players we have can be league average or better. We all hoped that a healthy Solder, a bigger Halapio, adding Zeitler and Remmers would give the offense a spark, Hernandez would further develop into a top 10 guard.
Are you gloating that Halapio added nothing?
If Jason Garrett is fired, which I think he will be, then the Giants could bring Rod Marinelli over as the DC. They would need a top OC because of Daniel Jones but I would look to Jay Gruden asa OC and do whatever it took to bring Bill Callahan over as OL coach. That would be an impressive coaching staff.
He is the 6th highest paid RB in the league in his 2nd year. I just cant see how this was a good pick considering that the position usually has quality players available in FA that can be had at a similar cost. Quentin Nelson on the other hand is the 23rd highest paid player at his position getting paid less than half of what the top OG is getting and $4 million less than we are paying Zeitler.
The value of a RB at #2 for a bad team just isnt there. I love the kid and he is everything you want to root for in a player, we just over drafted him since we needed so many other players that could offer better value for the spot taken.
I saw what most saw the last few games that Barkley looks tentative and reluctant to pick up the dirty yards. His pass blocking needs work. He needs to be the engine behind this offense. I know the OL is not great but he needs to put his nose in there and stop waiting for the home run. I thought I would never say that Elliott is much better. I question his toughness at this point. If he is still hurt then feature Gallman. He gets the dirty yards.
He is the 6th highest paid RB in the league in his 2nd year. I just cant see how this was a good pick considering that the position usually has quality players available in FA that can be had at a similar cost. Quentin Nelson on the other hand is the 23rd highest paid player at his position getting paid less than half of what the top OG is getting and $4 million less than we are paying Zeitler.
The value of a RB at #2 for a bad team just isnt there. I love the kid and he is everything you want to root for in a player, we just over drafted him since we needed so many other players that could offer better value for the spot taken.
1. There's a salary scale which is distorting your "rankings". If Nelson was taken #2 overall, he'd be earning nearly $8M average which would be the 5th highest for LGs (he's 7th highest paid LG now) or 17th highest paid OG.
2. By including all "guards", you're doubling the number of players and starting positions which is obviously going to skew the ranking.
At worst, Peppers is a poor man's Collins at 1/5th (or less) the cost. With his athleticism, he has the potential to be better in coverage, but we'll see if he ever develops the instincts. If not, his ceiling is probably Collins, which is still very valuable at his current cost.
The interior 3 as a unit is one of the biggest disappointments of the season, and the inside run game & cleanliness of the pocket is really below league average.
Interesting list of guys running the four teams Sy cites as being able to get their playmakers into space; Turner, McVay, Peyton, and Kubiak (Stefanski is OC, but is still learning on the job). Room to grow there for Shurmur. Better get going on the self-scouting, Coach.
Thanks, Sy. Best read on the GMen on a week-to-week basis, even if the evaluations aren't putting smiles on anybody's faces!
He's the worst center in the NFL. Between Hunter and Shurmur I don't know who shoulders more blame for the mistake of first choosing this guy and now stubbornly keeps rolling him out there. Pulley isn't some stud but he's a functional player and was part of an improved unit last season. For fucksake try him in there. He literally can't be worse.
Thanks Sy. Great review as usual...
Where is FMiC now?
Sy is making the exact same point I made, on the exact same type of players.
In my thread I when I questioned his mental abilities, I made it clear that it wasn't raw intelligence, it was speed of processing.
FMiC, are you willing to admit yet, that it is possible that I saw a pattern early on, perhaps before others, a pattern that has continued unabated?
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Sy: -Center Jon Halapio didn’t get any push against a defensive line that is known for being undersized. I’m not sure why he continues to get the nod...Spencer Pulley. He just looks slow. DAL sent a couple long-developing stunts and blitzes right up the middle and he barely even acknowledged them. His reaction time isn’t good enough.
He's the worst center in the NFL. Between Hunter and Shurmur I don't know who shoulders more blame for the mistake of first choosing this guy and now stubbornly keeps rolling him out there. Pulley isn't some stud but he's a functional player and was part of an improved unit last season. For fucksake try him in there. He literally can't be worse.
Thanks Sy. Great review as usual...
Where is FMiC now?
Sy is making the exact same point I made, on the exact same type of players.
In my thread I when I questioned his mental abilities, I made it clear that it wasn't raw intelligence, it was speed of processing.
FMiC, are you willing to admit yet, that it is possible that I saw a pattern early on, perhaps before others, a pattern that has continued unabated?
Why are you provoking an argument? I believe fmic took issue with you claiming Halapio didn't have the smarts to play the position. Also you were claiming you knew without doubt what players assignments were. I believe if you wouldn't state ideas that aren't proven as if they are there wouldn't be much issue.
You can envy EE, but he's just a different player than Barkley. EE is a steady pounder, while Saquon is a HR hitter. Barkley has more 40 yard plays already than EE has in his entire career. Since the start of last season, Saquon has more 20+ yard runs than EE despite 113 less carries. Imagine if the play caller/designer actually ran the ball outside/off the edges.
I'm still not sure how the Jones' run is a fumble if the play is supposed to be dead as soon as he dives headfirst or slides.
Carter and Ximines get blocked WAY too easily on running plays by opposing tight ends.
A downhill running RB, FB and pulling G wears out a D, let alone takes the ball out of the hands of a TO machine QB.
Jay, are you ever going to call him out on anything?
And, Yep...
Let's see if he has any self awareness that he is usually the one to stir things up. And lets see if he has enough character to admit when he's made a mistake.
I'm betting its neither.
He will come on to this thread and curse me, and call me arrogant. He will take what I wrote out of its context and twist it yet again.
But when you look at what I wrote, it was highlighting the exact same issue and the plays I linked were the exact kind of plays that Sy writes about. What I wrote, I put a as a doubt, which is even milder than what Sy has written here. I just didn't take the time to draft it the way Sy did.