McL trying to rile up FMIC to have the same exact argument.
Jay, are you ever going to call him out on anything?
And, Yep...
Let's see if he has any self awareness that he is usually the one to stir things up. And lets see if he has enough character to admit when he's made a mistake.
I'm betting its neither.
He will come on to this thread and curse me, and call me arrogant. He will take what I wrote out of its context and twist it yet again.
But when you look at what I wrote, it was highlighting the exact same issue and the plays I linked were the exact kind of plays that Sy writes about. What I wrote, I put a as a doubt, which is even milder than what Sy has written here. I just didn't take the time to draft it the way Sy did.
Why would I call him out? Am I the thread police? You're clearly instigating a fight and then trying to play the victim. If you don't like the guy ignore what he says.
There is no reason to get so worked up over someone's opposing viewpoint.
RE: RE: It's great to see Peppers have a great game Â
Maybe Greg will stop acting like he's CC Brown 2.0. I think Peppers will take a huge step forward if the Giants put a decent FS next to him. Honestly I think some of his issues this season are due to him trying to overcompensate for Bethea.
At worst, Peppers is a poor man's Collins at 1/5th (or less) the cost. With his athleticism, he has the potential to be better in coverage, but we'll see if he ever develops the instincts. If not, his ceiling is probably Collins, which is still very valuable at his current cost.
Yes, he had a lot of tackles against the run 7 and 8 yards down the field. Fantastic. Who the heck was he covering? Witten and Barwin combined for 9 catches 100 yards and a td and made monkeys out of us again.
RE: RE: RE: It's great to see Peppers have a great game Â
Maybe Greg will stop acting like he's CC Brown 2.0. I think Peppers will take a huge step forward if the Giants put a decent FS next to him. Honestly I think some of his issues this season are due to him trying to overcompensate for Bethea.
At worst, Peppers is a poor man's Collins at 1/5th (or less) the cost. With his athleticism, he has the potential to be better in coverage, but we'll see if he ever develops the instincts. If not, his ceiling is probably Collins, which is still very valuable at his current cost.
Yes, he had a lot of tackles against the run 7 and 8 yards down the field. Fantastic. Who the heck was he covering? Witten and Barwin combined for 9 catches 100 yards and a td and made monkeys out of us again.
Are you blaming Peppers for Jarwin's long td run? That was Ogletree's man. Maybe go back and watch to see who was responsible for Witten and Jarwin before you just assume it was Peppers. Bethea has been abysmal all season long.
RE: RE: Really did kind of completely gloss over the fact that remmers Â
was coming off back surgery for an offensive lineman. So many people wanted to be positive about this offseason that any excuse was used to justify saying pleased about it.
Betting on a tackle with a bad back and being fully aware they had no roster depth at the position. It's stupid.
Was that directed at me? I didn't mean to gloss over his injury. I've been pointing it out since the idea of signing him was proposed. I also didn't want Williams in FA coming off an ACL. Williams has signed a prove-it deal and has shown to be healthy so I wouldn't be opposed this year. I just don't think we are good enough with depth to take chances on players with prove-it deals.
I think a better strategy outside of the juiced Wheeler plan would have been to draft OL early instead of DG opting to cluster draft an entire defensive secondary and then settle for Big George.
Fixing the OL was one of the priorities of DG. Addressing the OL with late round draft picks or players coming off the ambulatory squad is not going to fix the OL.
Wasnt directed at anyone. I didnt have a problem with signing . There was just a lot depending on a surgically repaired back.
McL trying to rile up FMIC to have the same exact argument.
Jay, are you ever going to call him out on anything?
And, Yep...
Let's see if he has any self awareness that he is usually the one to stir things up. And lets see if he has enough character to admit when he's made a mistake.
I'm betting its neither.
He will come on to this thread and curse me, and call me arrogant. He will take what I wrote out of its context and twist it yet again.
But when you look at what I wrote, it was highlighting the exact same issue and the plays I linked were the exact kind of plays that Sy writes about. What I wrote, I put a as a doubt, which is even milder than what Sy has written here. I just didn't take the time to draft it the way Sy did.
Why would I call him out? Am I the thread police? You're clearly instigating a fight and then trying to play the victim. If you don't like the guy ignore what he says.
There is no reason to get so worked up over someone's opposing viewpoint.
Don't you see the hypocrasy in what you are saying.
You are calling me out, playing "Thread Polics". But yet when he goes off the farm, cursing, calling names, twisting things and generally being foul, you are OK with that.
When people talk about self awareness if they are aware we all suffer from lack of awareness time and time again throughout our lives. The goal is to lessen it, but I don't think we ever escape it.
crick, I know exactly what I am doing.
Whether you like itor not.
Yes, I don't like the guy, but it's not just how he treats me, its how he behaves in general.
I don't really care if you like what I am doing or not. I don't care what you in particular think of me.
My goal when I make the comment I made above, is to expose him so that that other posters are not intimidated by his BS. To expose him for what he is.
If FMiCjr signed up for the board today and behaved the way he does, that poster would get run off in a NY minute. Why does anybody on here treat FMiC any different. He screams, he shouts, he is foul, and he tries to intimidate people. All the while accusing other's of arrogance.
The day his voice is muted because either he leaves, or he has lost respect from every other poster on the board, it will be a very good day for this board.
So, I go back to 1 very specific incident where he was foul... I will hammer it, and let him continue to embarrass himself. Regardless if other posters think I am being petty. I have my reasons.
what would you do to fix this offensive line? Do you think that much of Solder's issues are technique related? If they hire a competent OL coach and perhaps move him to RT do you think he could rebound or has he just begun breaking down?
what would you do to fix this offensive line? Do you think that much of Solder's issues are technique related? If they hire a competent OL coach and perhaps move him to RT do you think he could rebound or has he just begun breaking down?
Problem with Solder is that he is not a mauler type. He has always relied on his ability to adjust and recover quickly to what his opponent does. Whether its through athletic ability, quick reactions, or good anticipation. I don't think that plays as well on the right side where you tend to have bigger stronger defenders. I fear he would just get pushed back all the time.
what would you do to fix this offensive line? Do you think that much of Solder's issues are technique related? If they hire a competent OL coach and perhaps move him to RT do you think he could rebound or has he just begun breaking down?
Problem with Solder is that he is not a mauler type. He has always relied on his ability to adjust and recover quickly to what his opponent does. Whether its through athletic ability, quick reactions, or good anticipation. I don't think that plays as well on the right side where you tend to have bigger stronger defenders. I fear he would just get pushed back all the time.
If he could just be a league average RT for one season it would allow the Giants to wait another year to find the long term answer. That or they could draft a day 3 OT and hope he develops behind Solder and takes over in 2021.
I just hope they come away with a LT in round 1 or 2 and also address C. If they fix those two spots then they would be fine with Solder at RT especially if they land a potential stud in Thomas.
No more bullshit, we hopefully have our franchise QB now it's time to protect the kid.
what would you do to fix this offensive line? Do you think that much of Solder's issues are technique related? If they hire a competent OL coach and perhaps move him to RT do you think he could rebound or has he just begun breaking down?
Problem with Solder is that he is not a mauler type. He has always relied on his ability to adjust and recover quickly to what his opponent does. Whether its through athletic ability, quick reactions, or good anticipation. I don't think that plays as well on the right side where you tend to have bigger stronger defenders. I fear he would just get pushed back all the time.
If he could just be a league average RT for one season it would allow the Giants to wait another year to find the long term answer. That or they could draft a day 3 OT and hope he develops behind Solder and takes over in 2021.
I just hope they come away with a LT in round 1 or 2 and also address C. If they fix those two spots then they would be fine with Solder at RT especially if they land a potential stud in Thomas.
No more bullshit, we hopefully have our franchise QB now it's time to protect the kid.
Well, I agree we need to find at least 2 OL next year, preferable an LT as one of them.
I have my doubts about Solder at RT, but it can't be any worse than Remmers with a bad back.
jcn...'Does Gettleman get any credit for picking the players' Â
You realize he re-signed Spencer Pulley who was part of an improved unit last season. He's on a longer term deal and making more money than halapio. As he should be. He also should have been playing this entire season.
I'd suggest you brush up on your roster, acquisitions and cap before debating. It will save you some embarrassing moments...like now.
what would you do to fix this offensive line? Do you think that much of Solder's issues are technique related? If they hire a competent OL coach and perhaps move him to RT do you think he could rebound or has he just begun breaking down?
I think Solder is done.
It is hard to buy a left tackle, teams rarely let the good ones go. I think they should toss a lot of money at a RT in FA, there will be a couple good ones, and go hard after the top LT in the draft even if it warrants a trade up.
You realize he re-signed Spencer Pulley who was part of an improved unit last season. He's on a longer term deal and making more money than halapio. As he should be. He also should have been playing this entire season.
I'd suggest you brush up on your roster, acquisitions and cap before debating. It will save you some embarrassing moments...like now.
That's fucking hysterical - that's your defense, that he paid good money to a stiff like Pulley?
Some of you deserve this shit football, that's for damn sure. I can imagine back in the 70's you'd be running out behind that plane trying to pull the banner down yelling 'Just give Welly another 5 years, he's almost there!'.
My original post criticized the coaches for playing halapio.
You argued isn't DG culpable for the roster.
I then pointed out DG supplied him with another better option. Which they chose not to use.
How that doesn't make sense to you baffles me.
The O-line was better last season when they played Pulley. That is the point.
I can't make you smarter or improve your ability to make a coherent argument so I'm moving on from this one.
You'd better move quickly, before more people stop by to laugh at you.
You're asserting that Pulley is a better player because the line played better last year? What does that say for Gettleman's other acquisitions in Zeitler and Remmers?
Pulley is trash - he maybe marginally better or worse than Halapio, but both of them are barely replacement level players, let alone quality starters.
RE: RE: It's great to see Peppers have a great game Â
Maybe Greg will stop acting like he's CC Brown 2.0. I think Peppers will take a huge step forward if the Giants put a decent FS next to him. Honestly I think some of his issues this season are due to him trying to overcompensate for Bethea.
At worst, Peppers is a poor man's Collins at 1/5th (or less) the cost. With his athleticism, he has the potential to be better in coverage, but we'll see if he ever develops the instincts. If not, his ceiling is probably Collins, which is still very valuable at his current cost.
What Collins are we talking about?
Peppers isn't perfect or a Pro Bowler but he has made more plays in 8 games than Collins did the past two seasons in NY. Collins tackling Was nice but he didn't force turnovers.
Disagree about the take on Jenkins ability to tackle. Â
It wasn’t about inability, it was about willingness to tackle on that TD play. He had no interest in trying. And it wasn’t the only time he made that kind of decision during the game, or at other times this season. He’s checked out effort wise.
Engram should have been traded even a 2nd round pick would
do . Never wanted a tweener . Cowboys built a powerful
O-line and promptly put the best back in football behind
it . They added a big TE in Jarwin who already owns us .
Agree Barkley would have have 200 yards behind that line ..
Were hopeful Jones is the goods but he is a turnover
machine right now . Patty is a disaster he has no idea
how to score in the redzone . His use of Barkley is criminal
The play calls make no sense none .
The defense takes half the game by the time they figure
things out then the opposition counters them I don't
see another win on the schedule do you ?
RE: Disagree about the take on Jenkins ability to tackle. Â
It wasn’t about inability, it was about willingness to tackle on that TD play. He had no interest in trying. And it wasn’t the only time he made that kind of decision during the game, or at other times this season. He’s checked out effort wise.
Likely the beginning of where Shroomur loses the team. I would bet money on it.
Thanks for the efforts. Must be brutal watching this team a 2nd and 3rd time.
I think the biggest thing I take is that the Giants will be competitive again when they become tough on the lines. This will make things easier for Jones, Barkley and the WR's. It is really that simple. Win the lines and this team wins again.
Coaching....he just does not have it. I think he is flustered and when I watch the games it is like he is picking something from his playsheet that works. I have no idea why he is "Air Shurmur" . Protect your QB
FMIC has been a ass for a long time....maybe he got cut too many times in little league.
RE: RE: RE: Week after week this clueless coaching staff plays halapio Â
Sy: -Center Jon Halapio didn’t get any push against a defensive line that is known for being undersized. I’m not sure why he continues to get the nod...Spencer Pulley. He just looks slow. DAL sent a couple long-developing stunts and blitzes right up the middle and he barely even acknowledged them. His reaction time isn’t good enough.
He's the worst center in the NFL. Between Hunter and Shurmur I don't know who shoulders more blame for the mistake of first choosing this guy and now stubbornly keeps rolling him out there. Pulley isn't some stud but he's a functional player and was part of an improved unit last season. For fucksake try him in there. He literally can't be worse.
Thanks Sy. Great review as usual...
Where is FMiC now?
Sy is making the exact same point I made, on the exact same type of players.
In my thread I when I questioned his mental abilities, I made it clear that it wasn't raw intelligence, it was speed of processing.
FMiC, are you willing to admit yet, that it is possible that I saw a pattern early on, perhaps before others, a pattern that has continued unabated?
Why are you provoking an argument? I believe fmic took issue with you claiming Halapio didn't have the smarts to play the position. Also you were claiming you knew without doubt what players assignments were. I believe if you wouldn't state ideas that aren't proven as if they are there wouldn't be much issue.
How far up FMiC’s ass do you think you are at this point? I would say its hard to tell where you start and he leaves off...
When people talk about self awareness if they are aware we all suffer from lack of awareness time and time again throughout our lives. The goal is to lessen it, but I don't think we ever escape it.
crick, I know exactly what I am doing.
Whether you like itor not.
Yes, I don't like the guy, but it's not just how he treats me, its how he behaves in general.
I don't really care if you like what I am doing or not. I don't care what you in particular think of me.
My goal when I make the comment I made above, is to expose him so that that other posters are not intimidated by his BS. To expose him for what he is.
If FMiCjr signed up for the board today and behaved the way he does, that poster would get run off in a NY minute. Why does anybody on here treat FMiC any different. He screams, he shouts, he is foul, and he tries to intimidate people. All the while accusing other's of arrogance.
The day his voice is muted because either he leaves, or he has lost respect from every other poster on the board, it will be a very good day for this board.
So, I go back to 1 very specific incident where he was foul... I will hammer it, and let him continue to embarrass himself. Regardless if other posters think I am being petty. I have my reasons.
This is now the 4th time you've called me out on posts. What the fuck is your problem? For somebody who doesn't seemingly care what I think - you keep calling me out proactively.
I will repeat what I said initially. You said that Halapio lacked the "mental acuity" to play the C position. And you've been patting yourself on the back continually everytime someone posts that Halapio is playing poorly. Are you that much of an smugly, arrogant guy that you look at this as validation of a terrible take?
And you don't even know what the fuck you are arguing about. You will not find a post from me talking about Halapio being a great player. You will not find a post saying Halapio should be gifted the position. I entered that discussion for the sole purpose of pointing out your arrogance in questioning a professional football player's mental fitness.
But this is nothing new for you. You continually ascribe arguments to me I don't make. Just like the analytics discussion. I entered that fray to dismiss the notion that Gettleman didn't use analytics at Carolina (not a claim you made) - and to again question the smug arrogance of basing the qualifications of a person to run a department based on his LinkedIn profile - something you did post about.
The pattern with you is a continued smug arrogance is telling us what professional football people are and aren't doing.
You talk about screaming, shouting and being foul as if you are above the fray - yet this is another instance of you calling me out when you still can't get it fucking straight why I went after your Halapio comments in the first place. The arbiter of mental acuity?
Smug arrogance is the shoe that fits - and I'll point that out everytime your insecure ass feels the need to call me out unprovoked.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Week after week this clueless coaching staff plays halapio Â
Sy: -Center Jon Halapio didn’t get any push against a defensive line that is known for being undersized. I’m not sure why he continues to get the nod...Spencer Pulley. He just looks slow. DAL sent a couple long-developing stunts and blitzes right up the middle and he barely even acknowledged them. His reaction time isn’t good enough.
He's the worst center in the NFL. Between Hunter and Shurmur I don't know who shoulders more blame for the mistake of first choosing this guy and now stubbornly keeps rolling him out there. Pulley isn't some stud but he's a functional player and was part of an improved unit last season. For fucksake try him in there. He literally can't be worse.
Thanks Sy. Great review as usual...
Where is FMiC now?
Sy is making the exact same point I made, on the exact same type of players.
In my thread I when I questioned his mental abilities, I made it clear that it wasn't raw intelligence, it was speed of processing.
FMiC, are you willing to admit yet, that it is possible that I saw a pattern early on, perhaps before others, a pattern that has continued unabated?
Why are you provoking an argument? I believe fmic took issue with you claiming Halapio didn't have the smarts to play the position. Also you were claiming you knew without doubt what players assignments were. I believe if you wouldn't state ideas that aren't proven as if they are there wouldn't be much issue.
How far up FMiC’s ass do you think you are at this point? I would say its hard to tell where you start and he leaves off...
"Take it down a notch"
RE: RE: RE: RE: It's great to see Peppers have a great game Â
Maybe Greg will stop acting like he's CC Brown 2.0. I think Peppers will take a huge step forward if the Giants put a decent FS next to him. Honestly I think some of his issues this season are due to him trying to overcompensate for Bethea.
At worst, Peppers is a poor man's Collins at 1/5th (or less) the cost. With his athleticism, he has the potential to be better in coverage, but we'll see if he ever develops the instincts. If not, his ceiling is probably Collins, which is still very valuable at his current cost.
Yes, he had a lot of tackles against the run 7 and 8 yards down the field. Fantastic. Who the heck was he covering? Witten and Barwin combined for 9 catches 100 yards and a td and made monkeys out of us again.
Are you blaming Peppers for Jarwin's long td run? That was Ogletree's man. Maybe go back and watch to see who was responsible for Witten and Jarwin before you just assume it was Peppers. Bethea has been abysmal all season long.
Oh I did. Let me tell you what Peppers was doing on that play: sitting with his thumb in his ass the entire time watching the play unfold in front of him. Uninformed individuals, say, like yourself, will blame Ogletree who was apparently supposed to let Prescott run for 20 yards or Bethea, who had a man, instead of the one guy on the defense who was unoccupied the entire time and sat there. He should have bought a ticket. Sometimes you have to play football. Slow to recognize; slow to react.
McL (the Op):
...
The reason I focus on this play is because of the play of Halapio and what I keep saying about him, and why I don't think he is a starting center.
My contention is that he does a poor job of reading the defense, calling the right protections , and putting himself in the right position to affect a play. And although he only played in 2 games last year, plus some time in the preseason, what we see on this play is on many many plays in his short tenure.
...
BigBlueShock :
You do realize That he was new to the center position, right? Apparently patience is not your strong suit. Let’s judge a guy playing a brand new position, an extremely difficult position, based on a few plays in all of two games...
FFS man
McL:
I do realize he is new to the position...
You do realize that maybe, just maybe its not a great idea to throw a guy with no experience out there at center, which is by far the most complex position on the line.
You want to experiment with him at center... fine, let him backup for a year or two. But to just throw him out there when he has no clue what he is doing, and especialy to leave yourself no other viable alternative, is just asinine.
And now we are a year later and he has all of 2 games under his belt. I doubt much has changed yet. And yet again we are counting on him to man the position. Personally I am not a big fan of Pulley either, but he is lightyears ahead of Halapio.
HomerJones45 :
Halapio is 27, been kicking around for 5 season now and has been with 4 different teams. One would think he would have picked up a few things along the way. The OP is pointing out his miscues reading defensese, not center technique. Halapio must have the learning curve of a stump.
McL:
The problems with Halapio at center are manifest, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see them. You just have to watch.
I think the Giants are blinded by hope rather than reality. Perhaps Halapio is great in the film room and diagramming... Perhaps the Giants are hoping that that intelligence will translate to the field. But, I have my doubts that he has the mental faculty to play the position. Its not just smarts, its being able to process quickly when the bullets are flying. Its the same reason why most QBs fail in the NFL. The problems him at center, IMO, are too frequent and too egregious.
McL (in response to HomerJones immediately after I posted the above):
Thank you!
To add to your point that he is 27, by the time he learns to play the position, he will be done.
The post was made after HJ pointed out his age and that he was cut numerous times...
I NEVER STATED that he didn't have the "mental acuity", I said that
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I have my doubts that he has the mental faculty to play the position. ... its being able to process quickly when the bullets are flying.
But, the plays I linked were all slow developing stunts that that came right though his area, both guards were engaged... He didn't pay attention to them whatsoever, all displayed mental mistakes. Exactly the same as what Sy is pointing out.
EXACTLY
So you will accept this criticism when Sy says it, but relentlessly attack me when I said it. Call me foul names, call me arrogant, and not even look at the evidence. Of course the irony of YOU of all people calling anybody arrogant is completely lost on you. But you willfully keep yourself ignorant, and shout about how that is the right thing. And you pass judgement on me and others... And you call us arrogant. Ponderous.
There was nothing arrogant about what I said that was incorrect, or arrogant. It was a fair assessment that has become the common wisdom now.
The only difference is that I was the first to post about the specific issue that Sy is pointing out.
Frankly, you owe an apology, I know you will never give it. You lack even 1/10 of the character necessary to be honorable and respectable enough to admit your mistakes.
So I will keep tweaking you, and I will continue to get you riled up and focusing your foulness on me. I can take it. And every time you do, you prove my assessment of you!
By the way, I have the character, I do admit my mistakes, and have done so publicly on this board.
And yes we debated the Giants analytics department. Even then you said I made persuaive arguments. Now somehow you are trying to twist it into something else...
Frankly, you are a pathetic excuse for a human being.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Week after week this clueless coaching staff plays halapio Â
Sy: -Center Jon Halapio didn’t get any push against a defensive line that is known for being undersized. I’m not sure why he continues to get the nod...Spencer Pulley. He just looks slow. DAL sent a couple long-developing stunts and blitzes right up the middle and he barely even acknowledged them. His reaction time isn’t good enough.
He's the worst center in the NFL. Between Hunter and Shurmur I don't know who shoulders more blame for the mistake of first choosing this guy and now stubbornly keeps rolling him out there. Pulley isn't some stud but he's a functional player and was part of an improved unit last season. For fucksake try him in there. He literally can't be worse.
Thanks Sy. Great review as usual...
Where is FMiC now?
Sy is making the exact same point I made, on the exact same type of players.
In my thread I when I questioned his mental abilities, I made it clear that it wasn't raw intelligence, it was speed of processing.
FMiC, are you willing to admit yet, that it is possible that I saw a pattern early on, perhaps before others, a pattern that has continued unabated?
Why are you provoking an argument? I believe fmic took issue with you claiming Halapio didn't have the smarts to play the position. Also you were claiming you knew without doubt what players assignments were. I believe if you wouldn't state ideas that aren't proven as if they are there wouldn't be much issue.
How far up FMiC’s ass do you think you are at this point? I would say its hard to tell where you start and he leaves off...
"Take it down a notch"
And crick...
Nowhere did I say that I knew everybody's assignments. Absulutely nowhere did I say anything near that.
That makes you even worse than FMiC. You are the sycophant of a pathetic excuse for a human being. What does that make you?
If we are going to keep scorecards of past opinions which turned out to be right or wrong; we are all going to be wrong more than right and or we each going to have to defend real howlers 12-24 months later.
At any one time there are 1696 players on 32 teams playing 512 regular season games and about 76,800 plays in the regular season.
Every single poster on this board has a record 0 wins as a GM or as a HC or DC or OC in the 5,120 regular season games played over the last ten years.
Since they as a collective win about .500 percent of the time and meanwhile we have never won anything, we are likely right less than 50% of the time.
Nevertheless, we are all certain 100% of the time.
Its a humiliating sport to play, manage, assess, analyze or critique.
If we are going to keep scorecards of past opinions which turned out to be right or wrong; we are all going to be wrong more than right and or we each going to have to defend real howlers 12-24 months later.
At any one time there are 1696 players on 32 teams playing 512 regular season games and about 76,800 plays in the regular season.
Every single poster on this board has a record 0 wins as a GM or as a HC or DC or OC in the 5,120 regular season games played over the last ten years.
Since they as a collective win about .500 percent of the time and meanwhile we have never won anything, we are likely right less than 50% of the time.
Nevertheless, we are all certain 100% of the time.
Its a humiliating sport to play, manage, assess, analyze or critique.
But fun to watch in some years
Bill,
I wholeheartedly agree with you. And you know, I don't have an issue with somebody who disagrees with me, and wants to honestly debate the issue. You and I have done that often.
Also, I am not keeping score here. This is entirely about FMiC's behavior.
Let me make this clear, his general mode of behavior is to use foul language, shout at people, call them names, and general intimidation. He stirs issues things up, he gleefully foments and supports the culture of piling up on posters. He actively tries to cause meltdown threads. He encourages others to join him. He feeds off the acrimony that exists on this site. He tries to prevent honest debate.
Every single poster on this forum should find his behavior abhorrent. He should be called out by as many people as possible, everytime he does it. He should be forced to back down every single time. But, unfortunately, he has many people intimidated, these people get silenced because they are not willing to stand up to him.
When posters realize just how pathetic he really is, he will lose that power of intimidation. That is my goal. Recently, I am seeing more posters willing to call him out and stand up to him. I'm not going to claim responsibility for that, but I see it as a good thing, and I am going to keep playing a part in that.
Lets take a small sample of his behavior from the thread in question...
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/7/2019 8:13 am : link
What we know is that the Giants feel their current C's are adequate, and there's little motivation to feel that way just for the fuck of it.
it really makes people looking at "film" foolish when they think they can determine what's going on. That's certainly being closer to a chucklehead than an expert
By the way FMiC, since you are such a sycophant of anything that the teams FO & Coaching Staff do, I took that as you certification of the quality of Halapio's play.
Certainly now, it does seem foolish... Foolish that Giants thought anything positive about Halapio when there was clearly nothing there, and foolish to say that somebody couldn't see an issue by looking at the videos, since that is what Sy just did. Or are you saying the same thing about SY as you did on this thread about me?
Here is his willfill ignorance...
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As usual.. FatMan in Charlotte : 6/7/2019 4:47 pm : link you miss the fucking point completely:
What does looking at the "supporting evidence" accomplish if neither you nor I know what to make of it? What rational debate do you expect to take place when you've taken it upon yourself to be the arbiter of who is an NFL-caliber player and who has the mental acuity to succeed?
The main problem is you don't see the folly of making these sweeping judgements. That's what I'm pointing out. It has nothing to do with the "film". It has to do with smug arrogance.
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LOL.. FatMan in Charlotte : 6/7/2019 8:12 pm : link
It's like you are just a dense fucker for no reason:
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Do you know how I know you guys didn't even spend 1 minute to look
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at the plays?
Again - what does looking at the plays matter if you don't know what the fuck you are looking at. It really isn't more pointed or direct than that.
Stating it plainly - you don't know what the fuck you are looking at. You cannot possibly determine what is going on without knowing the playcall, the scheme or the assignments. 5 paragraphs of complete bullshit doesn't overcome that basic point.
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I'm not.. FatMan in Charlotte : 6/7/2019 9:19 pm : link
the one claiming to have some special insight on the video.
Again - two fools looking at something they don't know shit about proves what exactly??
Too arrogant to look? I'm openly admitting that I cannot assess what is going on without knowing the scheme, the assignments or the playcall.
You? Not only can you make an assessment, but you can say who is and who isn't a NFL caliber player and who has the mental acuity to play the position.
Are you sure you even know what the fuck arrogant means?? At this point, you are carrying on like a smug clueless assbag.
By the point we get here, other posters start calling him out on his behavior...
Does that slow him down in the slightest...
He is so self unaware, of course nope, not in the slightest.
Oh and I never said I was "cocksure", I said I doubted, typical FMiC twisting
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And let's bottom line.. FatMan in Charlotte : 6/7/2019 9:21 pm : link
this discussion.
Do you think you are qualified to determine what a OL player is doing right or wrong without knowing the assignments, the blocking schemes, the playcall and if an audible is called.
That might determine the true assessment of being cocksure.
RE: And let's bottom line.. WillVAB : 6/7/2019 9:56 pm : link
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this discussion.
Do you think you are qualified to determine what a OL player is doing right or wrong without knowing the assignments, the blocking schemes, the playcall and if an audible is called.
That might determine the true assessment of being cocksure.
What fucking value are you adding to the discussion?
Let’s say McL isn’t in the fucking film room dissecting the plays with Pat Shurmur. Do you know he’s wrong?
Are you saying Halapio is actually good? Do you even have a position? Or did you just blast the thread bc OP isn’t the fucking offensive coordinator of the Giants?
Value?? FatMan in Charlotte : 6/7/2019 10:25 pm : link Is there a value to this discussion??
You literally have an OP who claims to watch "film" and determine that the C is not NFL caliber nor has the mental acuity to play the position.
When a guy makes a fucking assessment like that without knowing the assignments, the scheme or the playcall, he most likely is wrong, but still feels the need to regale the board with his faux expertise.
I don't look at it as a matter of value - I look at it as pointing out the absurdity/smug arrogance of poster who thinks he can actually break down film and determine what the fuck is going on.
On the flip side, what fucking value is the OP bringing? That he can watch Youtube?
All this, and at the end of the day, I saw the same thing Sy saw. I even went further and linked 4 or 5 examples. But, according to FMiC, I brought no bleeping value.
But as you can see, not only is he foul, he wants to shut down the debate.
This is all just a typical day for FMiC.
So there is is for all to see.
So I will leave to the board to judge who was foul and arrogant, and who actually added value and had some foresight.
If you want a board with little or no honest debate, and nobody even trying to bring to the fore something they noticed, and a board that fights with each other all the time. By all means support and follow FMiC.
If that's not what you want. Call him out, call him out in numbers until he backs down. Its the best way to deal with bullies.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Week after week this clueless coaching staff plays halapio Â
Sy: -Center Jon Halapio didn’t get any push against a defensive line that is known for being undersized. I’m not sure why he continues to get the nod...Spencer Pulley. He just looks slow. DAL sent a couple long-developing stunts and blitzes right up the middle and he barely even acknowledged them. His reaction time isn’t good enough.
He's the worst center in the NFL. Between Hunter and Shurmur I don't know who shoulders more blame for the mistake of first choosing this guy and now stubbornly keeps rolling him out there. Pulley isn't some stud but he's a functional player and was part of an improved unit last season. For fucksake try him in there. He literally can't be worse.
Thanks Sy. Great review as usual...
Where is FMiC now?
Sy is making the exact same point I made, on the exact same type of players.
In my thread I when I questioned his mental abilities, I made it clear that it wasn't raw intelligence, it was speed of processing.
FMiC, are you willing to admit yet, that it is possible that I saw a pattern early on, perhaps before others, a pattern that has continued unabated?
Why are you provoking an argument? I believe fmic took issue with you claiming Halapio didn't have the smarts to play the position. Also you were claiming you knew without doubt what players assignments were. I believe if you wouldn't state ideas that aren't proven as if they are there wouldn't be much issue.
How far up FMiC’s ass do you think you are at this point? I would say its hard to tell where you start and he leaves off...
"Take it down a notch"
And crick...
Nowhere did I say that I knew everybody's assignments. Absulutely nowhere did I say anything near that.
That makes you even worse than FMiC. You are the sycophant of a pathetic excuse for a human being. What does that make you?
Me? I'm a flawed human being. You took my post quite personal, considering what I said was rather tame.
great to see how you spend the early morning hours, conversing with yourself on multiple posts.
Including posts where this is used to say that I think Halapio is a good player?
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What we know is that the Giants feel their current C's are adequate, and there's little motivation to feel that way just for the fuck of it.
I'm having flashbacks to a guy speaking poor Dutch because "Ok is just OK".....
Are you actually advocating that people challenge my opinions in "numbers"? The goal being to silence me? Isn't that the same thing you're up my ass about here and the several other threads you keep calling me out on without provocation?
The bottom line is you don't like me challenging you takes. And apparently using profanity assaults your delicate sensibilities. So in response to being challenged, what do you do? Cal me out, ask others to go after me and keep posting about me when I'm not even on a thread.
The irony of your "bully" comment is fucking rich.
You clearly have a problem with me. Because I had the audacity to challenge your take? You are missing the point that this thread reflects more on you than me there, Ace.
I like Sy's reviews, I really hate call out threads Â
I still come here a lot, not as much as I used to, but most days. There is information and opinion on NYG here that you cannot find other places.
Fights between posters here can be entertaining. Some in the past were classic. This isn't one of those. I come here less because smart, funny posters like FMIC don't post as much as they once did. Strident, weird posters like McL seem to set more of the tone around here now.
At the end of the day, this website is supposed to be enjoyable. Fat Man consistently brings something to his posts that I find readable. Not so much McL. I don't care to scroll through pages of old threads purporting to show...something. Whatever the point was, it is boring. And it seems way too personal. I don't have any interest in your lofty mission to fight FMIC until he...I dunno, changes his tone? Admits your brilliance? Whatever, it isn't that lofty a goal, you are only heroic in your own mind and none of this is a good read.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: It's great to see Peppers have a great game Â
Oh I did. Let me tell you what Peppers was doing on that play: sitting with his thumb in his ass the entire time watching the play unfold in front of him. Uninformed individuals, say, like yourself, will blame Ogletree who was apparently supposed to let Prescott run for 20 yards or Bethea, who had a man, instead of the one guy on the defense who was unoccupied the entire time and sat there. He should have bought a ticket. Sometimes you have to play football. Slow to recognize; slow to react.
I'm uninformed? Here is the video which proves that Peppers was on the opposite side of the field. Bethea just gingerly jogs towards Jarwin as he runs in for the score. Ogletree who abandoned his man to pick up Prescott who was being chased by Golden. He should have remained with Jarwin until Prescott passed the line of scrimmage. Link - ( New Window )
I still come here a lot, not as much as I used to, but most days. There is information and opinion on NYG here that you cannot find other places.
Fights between posters here can be entertaining. Some in the past were classic. This isn't one of those. I come here less because smart, funny posters like FMIC don't post as much as they once did. Strident, weird posters like McL seem to set more of the tone around here now.
At the end of the day, this website is supposed to be enjoyable. Fat Man consistently brings something to his posts that I find readable. Not so much McL. I don't care to scroll through pages of old threads purporting to show...something. Whatever the point was, it is boring. And it seems way too personal. I don't have any interest in your lofty mission to fight FMIC until he...I dunno, changes his tone? Admits your brilliance? Whatever, it isn't that lofty a goal, you are only heroic in your own mind and none of this is a good read.
I agree with most of this. The “call out” stuff is just dumb, and McL might be actually doing what he seems to be standing against. That being said, in my time reading here plenty of posters can be too abrasive and be much more annoying than whatever or whoever has annoyed them. FMiC is very funny and probably a fun dude, but other times he does come across poor and extremely “smug” He is pretty knowledgeable though and has good insights. I don’t know if bullying is the right choice of words, but I think plenty of time he feels the need to insult posters when it isn’t really necessary. Sometimes maybe a joke or even two is funny but I think it can come across pretty arrogant and lame at times. That’s also the just the way people feel the need to be on the internet though. There are plenty of others that also seem to feel the need to insult some posters if whatever they write isn’t up to whatever the genius level requirements of posting on a NY Giants message board. Not bothering to say anything is better than trashing someone, but some people have a persona online that probably isn’t anything like how they truly are in life. I don’t pay enough attention to everything FMiC posts to say whether or not he is like that constantly and I am really not trying to bash him. I only mean in the general sense a lot of people on here have gotten used to trying to be the first person to jump on someone first chance they get.
On the flip side, sports is a topic that always causes arguments or disagreements. When the Giants are this bad for this long us fans can get frustrated and annoyed quickly.
As for FMiC for the most part I think he is an intelligent guy who posts a lot of good stuff. Could he lay off some of the shit he gives people? Definitely. Small amounts is amusing, too much just stops being cool. He does post plenty of good stuff though and I don’t think he is unaware of how he acts or posts. I don’t see it as bullying myself. However, you never know when something you say will touch a nerve on someone else. Sometimes it’s all in good fun, sometimes people are too thin skinned, and plenty of times posters are just over the top and can’t seem to control themselves.
I do spend a lot less time reading here than I used to because of the way a lot of people attack others. It just becomes boring, lame and actually pretty sad that some adults feel the need to be or act that way so often. In my experience though, I don’t think FMiC is one of those people. I agree with McL that I’d like to see a lot of posters stop trying so hard to be funny at the expense of others, I just don’t really get that vibe from FMiC.
great to see how you spend the early morning hours, conversing with yourself on multiple posts.
Including posts where this is used to say that I think Halapio is a good player?
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What we know is that the Giants feel their current C's are adequate, and there's little motivation to feel that way just for the fuck of it.
I'm having flashbacks to a guy speaking poor Dutch because "Ok is just OK".....
Are you actually advocating that people challenge my opinions in "numbers"? The goal being to silence me? Isn't that the same thing you're up my ass about here and the several other threads you keep calling me out on without provocation?
The bottom line is you don't like me challenging you takes. And apparently using profanity assaults your delicate sensibilities. So in response to being challenged, what do you do? Cal me out, ask others to go after me and keep posting about me when I'm not even on a thread.
The irony of your "bully" comment is fucking rich.
You clearly have a problem with me. Because I had the audacity to challenge your take? You are missing the point that this thread reflects more on you than me there, Ace.
No, I am advocating that when you start attacking poster with your foul behavior, without addressing the debate, then folks should tell you to back off. Not to attack or demean you. I never condone that. But the only way you will get the message that your behavior is not welcomed, is if you hear it from multiple people.
In the example I posted above, you didn't address the substance of the debate at all. You refused to look at the evidence, you twisted and took what was written out of context, and most importantly you chose to attack the poster not the post..
If you want to engage in the debate, then do so, you don't think the post has merit, then by all means say so, and back it up.
There is a big difference between attacking and demeaning people/posters, versus taking an opposing position on a subject.
The fact that you cannot see that difference speaks volumes about who you are.
The fact remains, that in this particular case, you pulled your schtick, and in the end, the subject in question (my observation about Halapio) was fair, accurate, and supported with evidence. And now you continue to defend it, and cannot bring yourself to admit you were wrong, speaks volumes about you... Ace!
How many people have you chased off with your personal attacks, how many times have you been wrong?
And unlike a couple of your sycophants, I don't think your schtick is funny in way shape or form. And it's not just what you said to me. I'm not claiming any special status with you, you do it to lots of other posters, and its just as cringe worthy then as well.
I am not saying, lets take the fun out of the debates. People have heated debates all the time without stooping to your level.
Just read the BS on that one thread that you wrote. And all of it, every single word was designed to intimidate and demean, as well as shut down the debate, not foster it.
Bottom line is, you don't like me and posters like me. We present a view that challenges yours. In my case, you have tried, but have never been able to make me cower away. You don't look to have an honest but heated debate with me, you want to shut me, and others like me, down.
People say they come here for lively conversation expressing different points of view. That isn't what you do, you look to shut down and chase off any view that opposes yours, which is mostly just carrying the team's water, not a very thought provoking position.
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McL trying to rile up FMIC to have the same exact argument.
Jay, are you ever going to call him out on anything?
And, Yep...
Let's see if he has any self awareness that he is usually the one to stir things up. And lets see if he has enough character to admit when he's made a mistake.
I'm betting its neither.
He will come on to this thread and curse me, and call me arrogant. He will take what I wrote out of its context and twist it yet again.
But when you look at what I wrote, it was highlighting the exact same issue and the plays I linked were the exact kind of plays that Sy writes about. What I wrote, I put a as a doubt, which is even milder than what Sy has written here. I just didn't take the time to draft it the way Sy did.
Why would I call him out? Am I the thread police? You're clearly instigating a fight and then trying to play the victim. If you don't like the guy ignore what he says.
There is no reason to get so worked up over someone's opposing viewpoint.
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Maybe Greg will stop acting like he's CC Brown 2.0. I think Peppers will take a huge step forward if the Giants put a decent FS next to him. Honestly I think some of his issues this season are due to him trying to overcompensate for Bethea.
At worst, Peppers is a poor man's Collins at 1/5th (or less) the cost. With his athleticism, he has the potential to be better in coverage, but we'll see if he ever develops the instincts. If not, his ceiling is probably Collins, which is still very valuable at his current cost.
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Maybe Greg will stop acting like he's CC Brown 2.0. I think Peppers will take a huge step forward if the Giants put a decent FS next to him. Honestly I think some of his issues this season are due to him trying to overcompensate for Bethea.
At worst, Peppers is a poor man's Collins at 1/5th (or less) the cost. With his athleticism, he has the potential to be better in coverage, but we'll see if he ever develops the instincts. If not, his ceiling is probably Collins, which is still very valuable at his current cost.
Yes, he had a lot of tackles against the run 7 and 8 yards down the field. Fantastic. Who the heck was he covering? Witten and Barwin combined for 9 catches 100 yards and a td and made monkeys out of us again.
Are you blaming Peppers for Jarwin's long td run? That was Ogletree's man. Maybe go back and watch to see who was responsible for Witten and Jarwin before you just assume it was Peppers. Bethea has been abysmal all season long.
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was coming off back surgery for an offensive lineman. So many people wanted to be positive about this offseason that any excuse was used to justify saying pleased about it.
Betting on a tackle with a bad back and being fully aware they had no roster depth at the position. It's stupid.
Was that directed at me? I didn't mean to gloss over his injury. I've been pointing it out since the idea of signing him was proposed. I also didn't want Williams in FA coming off an ACL. Williams has signed a prove-it deal and has shown to be healthy so I wouldn't be opposed this year. I just don't think we are good enough with depth to take chances on players with prove-it deals.
I think a better strategy outside of the juiced Wheeler plan would have been to draft OL early instead of DG opting to cluster draft an entire defensive secondary and then settle for Big George.
Fixing the OL was one of the priorities of DG. Addressing the OL with late round draft picks or players coming off the ambulatory squad is not going to fix the OL.
Wasnt directed at anyone. I didnt have a problem with signing . There was just a lot depending on a surgically repaired back.
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McL trying to rile up FMIC to have the same exact argument.
Jay, are you ever going to call him out on anything?
And, Yep...
Let's see if he has any self awareness that he is usually the one to stir things up. And lets see if he has enough character to admit when he's made a mistake.
I'm betting its neither.
He will come on to this thread and curse me, and call me arrogant. He will take what I wrote out of its context and twist it yet again.
But when you look at what I wrote, it was highlighting the exact same issue and the plays I linked were the exact kind of plays that Sy writes about. What I wrote, I put a as a doubt, which is even milder than what Sy has written here. I just didn't take the time to draft it the way Sy did.
Why would I call him out? Am I the thread police? You're clearly instigating a fight and then trying to play the victim. If you don't like the guy ignore what he says.
There is no reason to get so worked up over someone's opposing viewpoint.
Don't you see the hypocrasy in what you are saying.
You are calling me out, playing "Thread Polics". But yet when he goes off the farm, cursing, calling names, twisting things and generally being foul, you are OK with that.
crick, I know exactly what I am doing.
Whether you like itor not.
Yes, I don't like the guy, but it's not just how he treats me, its how he behaves in general.
I don't really care if you like what I am doing or not. I don't care what you in particular think of me.
My goal when I make the comment I made above, is to expose him so that that other posters are not intimidated by his BS. To expose him for what he is.
If FMiCjr signed up for the board today and behaved the way he does, that poster would get run off in a NY minute. Why does anybody on here treat FMiC any different. He screams, he shouts, he is foul, and he tries to intimidate people. All the while accusing other's of arrogance.
The day his voice is muted because either he leaves, or he has lost respect from every other poster on the board, it will be a very good day for this board.
So, I go back to 1 very specific incident where he was foul... I will hammer it, and let him continue to embarrass himself. Regardless if other posters think I am being petty. I have my reasons.
Problem with Solder is that he is not a mauler type. He has always relied on his ability to adjust and recover quickly to what his opponent does. Whether its through athletic ability, quick reactions, or good anticipation. I don't think that plays as well on the right side where you tend to have bigger stronger defenders. I fear he would just get pushed back all the time.
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what would you do to fix this offensive line? Do you think that much of Solder's issues are technique related? If they hire a competent OL coach and perhaps move him to RT do you think he could rebound or has he just begun breaking down?
Problem with Solder is that he is not a mauler type. He has always relied on his ability to adjust and recover quickly to what his opponent does. Whether its through athletic ability, quick reactions, or good anticipation. I don't think that plays as well on the right side where you tend to have bigger stronger defenders. I fear he would just get pushed back all the time.
If he could just be a league average RT for one season it would allow the Giants to wait another year to find the long term answer. That or they could draft a day 3 OT and hope he develops behind Solder and takes over in 2021.
I just hope they come away with a LT in round 1 or 2 and also address C. If they fix those two spots then they would be fine with Solder at RT especially if they land a potential stud in Thomas.
No more bullshit, we hopefully have our franchise QB now it's time to protect the kid.
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what would you do to fix this offensive line? Do you think that much of Solder's issues are technique related? If they hire a competent OL coach and perhaps move him to RT do you think he could rebound or has he just begun breaking down?
Problem with Solder is that he is not a mauler type. He has always relied on his ability to adjust and recover quickly to what his opponent does. Whether its through athletic ability, quick reactions, or good anticipation. I don't think that plays as well on the right side where you tend to have bigger stronger defenders. I fear he would just get pushed back all the time.
If he could just be a league average RT for one season it would allow the Giants to wait another year to find the long term answer. That or they could draft a day 3 OT and hope he develops behind Solder and takes over in 2021.
I just hope they come away with a LT in round 1 or 2 and also address C. If they fix those two spots then they would be fine with Solder at RT especially if they land a potential stud in Thomas.
No more bullshit, we hopefully have our franchise QB now it's time to protect the kid.
Well, I agree we need to find at least 2 OL next year, preferable an LT as one of them.
I have my doubts about Solder at RT, but it can't be any worse than Remmers with a bad back.
I'd suggest you brush up on your roster, acquisitions and cap before debating. It will save you some embarrassing moments...like now.
I think Solder is done.
It is hard to buy a left tackle, teams rarely let the good ones go. I think they should toss a lot of money at a RT in FA, there will be a couple good ones, and go hard after the top LT in the draft even if it warrants a trade up.
I'd suggest you brush up on your roster, acquisitions and cap before debating. It will save you some embarrassing moments...like now.
That's fucking hysterical - that's your defense, that he paid good money to a stiff like Pulley?
Some of you deserve this shit football, that's for damn sure. I can imagine back in the 70's you'd be running out behind that plane trying to pull the banner down yelling 'Just give Welly another 5 years, he's almost there!'.
You argued isn't DG culpable for the roster.
I then pointed out DG supplied him with another better option. Which they chose not to use.
How that doesn't make sense to you baffles me.
The O-line was better last season when they played Pulley. That is the point.
I can't make you smarter or improve your ability to make a coherent argument so I'm moving on from this one.
You argued isn't DG culpable for the roster.
I then pointed out DG supplied him with another better option. Which they chose not to use.
How that doesn't make sense to you baffles me.
The O-line was better last season when they played Pulley. That is the point.
I can't make you smarter or improve your ability to make a coherent argument so I'm moving on from this one.
You'd better move quickly, before more people stop by to laugh at you.
You're asserting that Pulley is a better player because the line played better last year? What does that say for Gettleman's other acquisitions in Zeitler and Remmers?
Pulley is trash - he maybe marginally better or worse than Halapio, but both of them are barely replacement level players, let alone quality starters.
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Maybe Greg will stop acting like he's CC Brown 2.0. I think Peppers will take a huge step forward if the Giants put a decent FS next to him. Honestly I think some of his issues this season are due to him trying to overcompensate for Bethea.
At worst, Peppers is a poor man's Collins at 1/5th (or less) the cost. With his athleticism, he has the potential to be better in coverage, but we'll see if he ever develops the instincts. If not, his ceiling is probably Collins, which is still very valuable at his current cost.
What Collins are we talking about?
Peppers isn't perfect or a Pro Bowler but he has made more plays in 8 games than Collins did the past two seasons in NY. Collins tackling Was nice but he didn't force turnovers.
do . Never wanted a tweener . Cowboys built a powerful
O-line and promptly put the best back in football behind
it . They added a big TE in Jarwin who already owns us .
Agree Barkley would have have 200 yards behind that line ..
Were hopeful Jones is the goods but he is a turnover
machine right now . Patty is a disaster he has no idea
how to score in the redzone . His use of Barkley is criminal
The play calls make no sense none .
The defense takes half the game by the time they figure
things out then the opposition counters them I don't
see another win on the schedule do you ?
Likely the beginning of where Shroomur loses the team. I would bet money on it.
I think the biggest thing I take is that the Giants will be competitive again when they become tough on the lines. This will make things easier for Jones, Barkley and the WR's. It is really that simple. Win the lines and this team wins again.
Coaching....he just does not have it. I think he is flustered and when I watch the games it is like he is picking something from his playsheet that works. I have no idea why he is "Air Shurmur" . Protect your QB
FMIC has been a ass for a long time....maybe he got cut too many times in little league.
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Sy: -Center Jon Halapio didn’t get any push against a defensive line that is known for being undersized. I’m not sure why he continues to get the nod...Spencer Pulley. He just looks slow. DAL sent a couple long-developing stunts and blitzes right up the middle and he barely even acknowledged them. His reaction time isn’t good enough.
He's the worst center in the NFL. Between Hunter and Shurmur I don't know who shoulders more blame for the mistake of first choosing this guy and now stubbornly keeps rolling him out there. Pulley isn't some stud but he's a functional player and was part of an improved unit last season. For fucksake try him in there. He literally can't be worse.
Thanks Sy. Great review as usual...
Where is FMiC now?
Sy is making the exact same point I made, on the exact same type of players.
In my thread I when I questioned his mental abilities, I made it clear that it wasn't raw intelligence, it was speed of processing.
FMiC, are you willing to admit yet, that it is possible that I saw a pattern early on, perhaps before others, a pattern that has continued unabated?
Why are you provoking an argument? I believe fmic took issue with you claiming Halapio didn't have the smarts to play the position. Also you were claiming you knew without doubt what players assignments were. I believe if you wouldn't state ideas that aren't proven as if they are there wouldn't be much issue.
How far up FMiC’s ass do you think you are at this point? I would say its hard to tell where you start and he leaves off...
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When people talk about self awareness if they are aware we all suffer from lack of awareness time and time again throughout our lives. The goal is to lessen it, but I don't think we ever escape it.
crick, I know exactly what I am doing.
Whether you like itor not.
Yes, I don't like the guy, but it's not just how he treats me, its how he behaves in general.
I don't really care if you like what I am doing or not. I don't care what you in particular think of me.
My goal when I make the comment I made above, is to expose him so that that other posters are not intimidated by his BS. To expose him for what he is.
If FMiCjr signed up for the board today and behaved the way he does, that poster would get run off in a NY minute. Why does anybody on here treat FMiC any different. He screams, he shouts, he is foul, and he tries to intimidate people. All the while accusing other's of arrogance.
The day his voice is muted because either he leaves, or he has lost respect from every other poster on the board, it will be a very good day for this board.
So, I go back to 1 very specific incident where he was foul... I will hammer it, and let him continue to embarrass himself. Regardless if other posters think I am being petty. I have my reasons.
This is now the 4th time you've called me out on posts. What the fuck is your problem? For somebody who doesn't seemingly care what I think - you keep calling me out proactively.
I will repeat what I said initially. You said that Halapio lacked the "mental acuity" to play the C position. And you've been patting yourself on the back continually everytime someone posts that Halapio is playing poorly. Are you that much of an smugly, arrogant guy that you look at this as validation of a terrible take?
And you don't even know what the fuck you are arguing about. You will not find a post from me talking about Halapio being a great player. You will not find a post saying Halapio should be gifted the position. I entered that discussion for the sole purpose of pointing out your arrogance in questioning a professional football player's mental fitness.
But this is nothing new for you. You continually ascribe arguments to me I don't make. Just like the analytics discussion. I entered that fray to dismiss the notion that Gettleman didn't use analytics at Carolina (not a claim you made) - and to again question the smug arrogance of basing the qualifications of a person to run a department based on his LinkedIn profile - something you did post about.
The pattern with you is a continued smug arrogance is telling us what professional football people are and aren't doing.
You talk about screaming, shouting and being foul as if you are above the fray - yet this is another instance of you calling me out when you still can't get it fucking straight why I went after your Halapio comments in the first place. The arbiter of mental acuity?
Smug arrogance is the shoe that fits - and I'll point that out everytime your insecure ass feels the need to call me out unprovoked.
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Sy: -Center Jon Halapio didn’t get any push against a defensive line that is known for being undersized. I’m not sure why he continues to get the nod...Spencer Pulley. He just looks slow. DAL sent a couple long-developing stunts and blitzes right up the middle and he barely even acknowledged them. His reaction time isn’t good enough.
He's the worst center in the NFL. Between Hunter and Shurmur I don't know who shoulders more blame for the mistake of first choosing this guy and now stubbornly keeps rolling him out there. Pulley isn't some stud but he's a functional player and was part of an improved unit last season. For fucksake try him in there. He literally can't be worse.
Thanks Sy. Great review as usual...
Where is FMiC now?
Sy is making the exact same point I made, on the exact same type of players.
In my thread I when I questioned his mental abilities, I made it clear that it wasn't raw intelligence, it was speed of processing.
FMiC, are you willing to admit yet, that it is possible that I saw a pattern early on, perhaps before others, a pattern that has continued unabated?
Why are you provoking an argument? I believe fmic took issue with you claiming Halapio didn't have the smarts to play the position. Also you were claiming you knew without doubt what players assignments were. I believe if you wouldn't state ideas that aren't proven as if they are there wouldn't be much issue.
How far up FMiC’s ass do you think you are at this point? I would say its hard to tell where you start and he leaves off...
"Take it down a notch"
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Maybe Greg will stop acting like he's CC Brown 2.0. I think Peppers will take a huge step forward if the Giants put a decent FS next to him. Honestly I think some of his issues this season are due to him trying to overcompensate for Bethea.
At worst, Peppers is a poor man's Collins at 1/5th (or less) the cost. With his athleticism, he has the potential to be better in coverage, but we'll see if he ever develops the instincts. If not, his ceiling is probably Collins, which is still very valuable at his current cost.
Yes, he had a lot of tackles against the run 7 and 8 yards down the field. Fantastic. Who the heck was he covering? Witten and Barwin combined for 9 catches 100 yards and a td and made monkeys out of us again.
Are you blaming Peppers for Jarwin's long td run? That was Ogletree's man. Maybe go back and watch to see who was responsible for Witten and Jarwin before you just assume it was Peppers. Bethea has been abysmal all season long.
FMiC...
You certainly don't disappoint do you!
Again, I will repost a summary of the thread...
McL (the Op):
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The reason I focus on this play is because of the play of Halapio and what I keep saying about him, and why I don't think he is a starting center.
My contention is that he does a poor job of reading the defense, calling the right protections , and putting himself in the right position to affect a play. And although he only played in 2 games last year, plus some time in the preseason, what we see on this play is on many many plays in his short tenure.
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BigBlueShock :
You do realize That he was new to the center position, right? Apparently patience is not your strong suit. Let’s judge a guy playing a brand new position, an extremely difficult position, based on a few plays in all of two games...
FFS man
McL:
I do realize he is new to the position...
You do realize that maybe, just maybe its not a great idea to throw a guy with no experience out there at center, which is by far the most complex position on the line.
You want to experiment with him at center... fine, let him backup for a year or two. But to just throw him out there when he has no clue what he is doing, and especialy to leave yourself no other viable alternative, is just asinine.
And now we are a year later and he has all of 2 games under his belt. I doubt much has changed yet. And yet again we are counting on him to man the position. Personally I am not a big fan of Pulley either, but he is lightyears ahead of Halapio.
HomerJones45 :
Halapio is 27, been kicking around for 5 season now and has been with 4 different teams. One would think he would have picked up a few things along the way. The OP is pointing out his miscues reading defensese, not center technique. Halapio must have the learning curve of a stump.
McL:
The problems with Halapio at center are manifest, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see them. You just have to watch.
I think the Giants are blinded by hope rather than reality. Perhaps Halapio is great in the film room and diagramming... Perhaps the Giants are hoping that that intelligence will translate to the field. But, I have my doubts that he has the mental faculty to play the position. Its not just smarts, its being able to process quickly when the bullets are flying. Its the same reason why most QBs fail in the NFL. The problems him at center, IMO, are too frequent and too egregious.
McL (in response to HomerJones immediately after I posted the above):
Thank you!
To add to your point that he is 27, by the time he learns to play the position, he will be done.
I NEVER STATED that he didn't have the "mental acuity", I said that
But, the plays I linked were all slow developing stunts that that came right though his area, both guards were engaged... He didn't pay attention to them whatsoever, all displayed mental mistakes. Exactly the same as what Sy is pointing out.
EXACTLY
So you will accept this criticism when Sy says it, but relentlessly attack me when I said it. Call me foul names, call me arrogant, and not even look at the evidence. Of course the irony of YOU of all people calling anybody arrogant is completely lost on you. But you willfully keep yourself ignorant, and shout about how that is the right thing. And you pass judgement on me and others... And you call us arrogant. Ponderous.
There was nothing arrogant about what I said that was incorrect, or arrogant. It was a fair assessment that has become the common wisdom now.
The only difference is that I was the first to post about the specific issue that Sy is pointing out.
Frankly, you owe an apology, I know you will never give it. You lack even 1/10 of the character necessary to be honorable and respectable enough to admit your mistakes.
So I will keep tweaking you, and I will continue to get you riled up and focusing your foulness on me. I can take it. And every time you do, you prove my assessment of you!
By the way, I have the character, I do admit my mistakes, and have done so publicly on this board.
And yes we debated the Giants analytics department. Even then you said I made persuaive arguments. Now somehow you are trying to twist it into something else...
Frankly, you are a pathetic excuse for a human being.
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Sy: -Center Jon Halapio didn’t get any push against a defensive line that is known for being undersized. I’m not sure why he continues to get the nod...Spencer Pulley. He just looks slow. DAL sent a couple long-developing stunts and blitzes right up the middle and he barely even acknowledged them. His reaction time isn’t good enough.
He's the worst center in the NFL. Between Hunter and Shurmur I don't know who shoulders more blame for the mistake of first choosing this guy and now stubbornly keeps rolling him out there. Pulley isn't some stud but he's a functional player and was part of an improved unit last season. For fucksake try him in there. He literally can't be worse.
Thanks Sy. Great review as usual...
Where is FMiC now?
Sy is making the exact same point I made, on the exact same type of players.
In my thread I when I questioned his mental abilities, I made it clear that it wasn't raw intelligence, it was speed of processing.
FMiC, are you willing to admit yet, that it is possible that I saw a pattern early on, perhaps before others, a pattern that has continued unabated?
Why are you provoking an argument? I believe fmic took issue with you claiming Halapio didn't have the smarts to play the position. Also you were claiming you knew without doubt what players assignments were. I believe if you wouldn't state ideas that aren't proven as if they are there wouldn't be much issue.
How far up FMiC’s ass do you think you are at this point? I would say its hard to tell where you start and he leaves off...
"Take it down a notch"
And crick...
Nowhere did I say that I knew everybody's assignments. Absulutely nowhere did I say anything near that.
That makes you even worse than FMiC. You are the sycophant of a pathetic excuse for a human being. What does that make you?
At any one time there are 1696 players on 32 teams playing 512 regular season games and about 76,800 plays in the regular season.
Every single poster on this board has a record 0 wins as a GM or as a HC or DC or OC in the 5,120 regular season games played over the last ten years.
Since they as a collective win about .500 percent of the time and meanwhile we have never won anything, we are likely right less than 50% of the time.
Nevertheless, we are all certain 100% of the time.
Its a humiliating sport to play, manage, assess, analyze or critique.
But fun to watch in some years
At any one time there are 1696 players on 32 teams playing 512 regular season games and about 76,800 plays in the regular season.
Every single poster on this board has a record 0 wins as a GM or as a HC or DC or OC in the 5,120 regular season games played over the last ten years.
Since they as a collective win about .500 percent of the time and meanwhile we have never won anything, we are likely right less than 50% of the time.
Nevertheless, we are all certain 100% of the time.
Its a humiliating sport to play, manage, assess, analyze or critique.
But fun to watch in some years
Bill,
I wholeheartedly agree with you. And you know, I don't have an issue with somebody who disagrees with me, and wants to honestly debate the issue. You and I have done that often.
Also, I am not keeping score here. This is entirely about FMiC's behavior.
Let me make this clear, his general mode of behavior is to use foul language, shout at people, call them names, and general intimidation. He stirs issues things up, he gleefully foments and supports the culture of piling up on posters. He actively tries to cause meltdown threads. He encourages others to join him. He feeds off the acrimony that exists on this site. He tries to prevent honest debate.
Every single poster on this forum should find his behavior abhorrent. He should be called out by as many people as possible, everytime he does it. He should be forced to back down every single time. But, unfortunately, he has many people intimidated, these people get silenced because they are not willing to stand up to him.
When posters realize just how pathetic he really is, he will lose that power of intimidation. That is my goal. Recently, I am seeing more posters willing to call him out and stand up to him. I'm not going to claim responsibility for that, but I see it as a good thing, and I am going to keep playing a part in that.
Lets take a small sample of his behavior from the thread in question...
To be continued.
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/7/2019 8:13 am : link
What we know is that the Giants feel their current C's are adequate, and there's little motivation to feel that way just for the fuck of it.
it really makes people looking at "film" foolish when they think they can determine what's going on. That's certainly being closer to a chucklehead than an expert
By the way FMiC, since you are such a sycophant of anything that the teams FO & Coaching Staff do, I took that as you certification of the quality of Halapio's play.
Certainly now, it does seem foolish... Foolish that Giants thought anything positive about Halapio when there was clearly nothing there, and foolish to say that somebody couldn't see an issue by looking at the videos, since that is what Sy just did. Or are you saying the same thing about SY as you did on this thread about me?
Here is his willfill ignorance...
As usual..
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/7/2019 4:47 pm : link
you miss the fucking point completely:
What does looking at the "supporting evidence" accomplish if neither you nor I know what to make of it? What rational debate do you expect to take place when you've taken it upon yourself to be the arbiter of who is an NFL-caliber player and who has the mental acuity to succeed?
The main problem is you don't see the folly of making these sweeping judgements. That's what I'm pointing out. It has nothing to do with the "film". It has to do with smug arrogance.
LOL..
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It's like you are just a dense fucker for no reason:
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at the plays?
Again - what does looking at the plays matter if you don't know what the fuck you are looking at. It really isn't more pointed or direct than that.
Stating it plainly - you don't know what the fuck you are looking at. You cannot possibly determine what is going on without knowing the playcall, the scheme or the assignments. 5 paragraphs of complete bullshit doesn't overcome that basic point.
I'm not..
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/7/2019 9:19 pm : link
the one claiming to have some special insight on the video.
Again - two fools looking at something they don't know shit about proves what exactly??
Too arrogant to look? I'm openly admitting that I cannot assess what is going on without knowing the scheme, the assignments or the playcall.
You? Not only can you make an assessment, but you can say who is and who isn't a NFL caliber player and who has the mental acuity to play the position.
Are you sure you even know what the fuck arrogant means?? At this point, you are carrying on like a smug clueless assbag.
By the point we get here, other posters start calling him out on his behavior...
Does that slow him down in the slightest...
He is so self unaware, of course nope, not in the slightest.
Oh and I never said I was "cocksure", I said I doubted, typical FMiC twisting
And let's bottom line..
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/7/2019 9:21 pm : link
this discussion.
Do you think you are qualified to determine what a OL player is doing right or wrong without knowing the assignments, the blocking schemes, the playcall and if an audible is called.
That might determine the true assessment of being cocksure.
RE: And let's bottom line..
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this discussion.
Do you think you are qualified to determine what a OL player is doing right or wrong without knowing the assignments, the blocking schemes, the playcall and if an audible is called.
That might determine the true assessment of being cocksure.
What fucking value are you adding to the discussion?
Let’s say McL isn’t in the fucking film room dissecting the plays with Pat Shurmur. Do you know he’s wrong?
Are you saying Halapio is actually good? Do you even have a position? Or did you just blast the thread bc OP isn’t the fucking offensive coordinator of the Giants?
Value??
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/7/2019 10:25 pm : link
Is there a value to this discussion??
You literally have an OP who claims to watch "film" and determine that the C is not NFL caliber nor has the mental acuity to play the position.
When a guy makes a fucking assessment like that without knowing the assignments, the scheme or the playcall, he most likely is wrong, but still feels the need to regale the board with his faux expertise.
I don't look at it as a matter of value - I look at it as pointing out the absurdity/smug arrogance of poster who thinks he can actually break down film and determine what the fuck is going on.
On the flip side, what fucking value is the OP bringing? That he can watch Youtube?
All this, and at the end of the day, I saw the same thing Sy saw. I even went further and linked 4 or 5 examples. But, according to FMiC, I brought no bleeping value.
But as you can see, not only is he foul, he wants to shut down the debate.
This is all just a typical day for FMiC.
So there is is for all to see.
So I will leave to the board to judge who was foul and arrogant, and who actually added value and had some foresight.
If you want a board with little or no honest debate, and nobody even trying to bring to the fore something they noticed, and a board that fights with each other all the time. By all means support and follow FMiC.
If that's not what you want. Call him out, call him out in numbers until he backs down. Its the best way to deal with bullies.
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Sy: -Center Jon Halapio didn’t get any push against a defensive line that is known for being undersized. I’m not sure why he continues to get the nod...Spencer Pulley. He just looks slow. DAL sent a couple long-developing stunts and blitzes right up the middle and he barely even acknowledged them. His reaction time isn’t good enough.
He's the worst center in the NFL. Between Hunter and Shurmur I don't know who shoulders more blame for the mistake of first choosing this guy and now stubbornly keeps rolling him out there. Pulley isn't some stud but he's a functional player and was part of an improved unit last season. For fucksake try him in there. He literally can't be worse.
Thanks Sy. Great review as usual...
Where is FMiC now?
Sy is making the exact same point I made, on the exact same type of players.
In my thread I when I questioned his mental abilities, I made it clear that it wasn't raw intelligence, it was speed of processing.
FMiC, are you willing to admit yet, that it is possible that I saw a pattern early on, perhaps before others, a pattern that has continued unabated?
Why are you provoking an argument? I believe fmic took issue with you claiming Halapio didn't have the smarts to play the position. Also you were claiming you knew without doubt what players assignments were. I believe if you wouldn't state ideas that aren't proven as if they are there wouldn't be much issue.
How far up FMiC’s ass do you think you are at this point? I would say its hard to tell where you start and he leaves off...
"Take it down a notch"
And crick...
Nowhere did I say that I knew everybody's assignments. Absulutely nowhere did I say anything near that.
That makes you even worse than FMiC. You are the sycophant of a pathetic excuse for a human being. What does that make you?
Me? I'm a flawed human being. You took my post quite personal, considering what I said was rather tame.
Including posts where this is used to say that I think Halapio is a good player?
What we know is that the Giants feel their current C's are adequate, and there's little motivation to feel that way just for the fuck of it.
I'm having flashbacks to a guy speaking poor Dutch because "Ok is just OK".....
Are you actually advocating that people challenge my opinions in "numbers"? The goal being to silence me? Isn't that the same thing you're up my ass about here and the several other threads you keep calling me out on without provocation?
The bottom line is you don't like me challenging you takes. And apparently using profanity assaults your delicate sensibilities. So in response to being challenged, what do you do? Cal me out, ask others to go after me and keep posting about me when I'm not even on a thread.
The irony of your "bully" comment is fucking rich.
You clearly have a problem with me. Because I had the audacity to challenge your take? You are missing the point that this thread reflects more on you than me there, Ace.
Fights between posters here can be entertaining. Some in the past were classic. This isn't one of those. I come here less because smart, funny posters like FMIC don't post as much as they once did. Strident, weird posters like McL seem to set more of the tone around here now.
At the end of the day, this website is supposed to be enjoyable. Fat Man consistently brings something to his posts that I find readable. Not so much McL. I don't care to scroll through pages of old threads purporting to show...something. Whatever the point was, it is boring. And it seems way too personal. I don't have any interest in your lofty mission to fight FMIC until he...I dunno, changes his tone? Admits your brilliance? Whatever, it isn't that lofty a goal, you are only heroic in your own mind and none of this is a good read.
Oh I did. Let me tell you what Peppers was doing on that play: sitting with his thumb in his ass the entire time watching the play unfold in front of him. Uninformed individuals, say, like yourself, will blame Ogletree who was apparently supposed to let Prescott run for 20 yards or Bethea, who had a man, instead of the one guy on the defense who was unoccupied the entire time and sat there. He should have bought a ticket. Sometimes you have to play football. Slow to recognize; slow to react.
I'm uninformed? Here is the video which proves that Peppers was on the opposite side of the field. Bethea just gingerly jogs towards Jarwin as he runs in for the score. Ogletree who abandoned his man to pick up Prescott who was being chased by Golden. He should have remained with Jarwin until Prescott passed the line of scrimmage.
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Fights between posters here can be entertaining. Some in the past were classic. This isn't one of those. I come here less because smart, funny posters like FMIC don't post as much as they once did. Strident, weird posters like McL seem to set more of the tone around here now.
At the end of the day, this website is supposed to be enjoyable. Fat Man consistently brings something to his posts that I find readable. Not so much McL. I don't care to scroll through pages of old threads purporting to show...something. Whatever the point was, it is boring. And it seems way too personal. I don't have any interest in your lofty mission to fight FMIC until he...I dunno, changes his tone? Admits your brilliance? Whatever, it isn't that lofty a goal, you are only heroic in your own mind and none of this is a good read.
I agree with most of this. The “call out” stuff is just dumb, and McL might be actually doing what he seems to be standing against. That being said, in my time reading here plenty of posters can be too abrasive and be much more annoying than whatever or whoever has annoyed them. FMiC is very funny and probably a fun dude, but other times he does come across poor and extremely “smug” He is pretty knowledgeable though and has good insights. I don’t know if bullying is the right choice of words, but I think plenty of time he feels the need to insult posters when it isn’t really necessary. Sometimes maybe a joke or even two is funny but I think it can come across pretty arrogant and lame at times. That’s also the just the way people feel the need to be on the internet though. There are plenty of others that also seem to feel the need to insult some posters if whatever they write isn’t up to whatever the genius level requirements of posting on a NY Giants message board. Not bothering to say anything is better than trashing someone, but some people have a persona online that probably isn’t anything like how they truly are in life. I don’t pay enough attention to everything FMiC posts to say whether or not he is like that constantly and I am really not trying to bash him. I only mean in the general sense a lot of people on here have gotten used to trying to be the first person to jump on someone first chance they get.
On the flip side, sports is a topic that always causes arguments or disagreements. When the Giants are this bad for this long us fans can get frustrated and annoyed quickly.
As for FMiC for the most part I think he is an intelligent guy who posts a lot of good stuff. Could he lay off some of the shit he gives people? Definitely. Small amounts is amusing, too much just stops being cool. He does post plenty of good stuff though and I don’t think he is unaware of how he acts or posts. I don’t see it as bullying myself. However, you never know when something you say will touch a nerve on someone else. Sometimes it’s all in good fun, sometimes people are too thin skinned, and plenty of times posters are just over the top and can’t seem to control themselves.
I do spend a lot less time reading here than I used to because of the way a lot of people attack others. It just becomes boring, lame and actually pretty sad that some adults feel the need to be or act that way so often. In my experience though, I don’t think FMiC is one of those people. I agree with McL that I’d like to see a lot of posters stop trying so hard to be funny at the expense of others, I just don’t really get that vibe from FMiC.
Including posts where this is used to say that I think Halapio is a good player?
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What we know is that the Giants feel their current C's are adequate, and there's little motivation to feel that way just for the fuck of it.
I'm having flashbacks to a guy speaking poor Dutch because "Ok is just OK".....
Are you actually advocating that people challenge my opinions in "numbers"? The goal being to silence me? Isn't that the same thing you're up my ass about here and the several other threads you keep calling me out on without provocation?
The bottom line is you don't like me challenging you takes. And apparently using profanity assaults your delicate sensibilities. So in response to being challenged, what do you do? Cal me out, ask others to go after me and keep posting about me when I'm not even on a thread.
The irony of your "bully" comment is fucking rich.
You clearly have a problem with me. Because I had the audacity to challenge your take? You are missing the point that this thread reflects more on you than me there, Ace.
No, I am advocating that when you start attacking poster with your foul behavior, without addressing the debate, then folks should tell you to back off. Not to attack or demean you. I never condone that. But the only way you will get the message that your behavior is not welcomed, is if you hear it from multiple people.
In the example I posted above, you didn't address the substance of the debate at all. You refused to look at the evidence, you twisted and took what was written out of context, and most importantly you chose to attack the poster not the post..
If you want to engage in the debate, then do so, you don't think the post has merit, then by all means say so, and back it up.
There is a big difference between attacking and demeaning people/posters, versus taking an opposing position on a subject.
The fact that you cannot see that difference speaks volumes about who you are.
The fact remains, that in this particular case, you pulled your schtick, and in the end, the subject in question (my observation about Halapio) was fair, accurate, and supported with evidence. And now you continue to defend it, and cannot bring yourself to admit you were wrong, speaks volumes about you... Ace!
How many people have you chased off with your personal attacks, how many times have you been wrong?
And unlike a couple of your sycophants, I don't think your schtick is funny in way shape or form. And it's not just what you said to me. I'm not claiming any special status with you, you do it to lots of other posters, and its just as cringe worthy then as well.
I am not saying, lets take the fun out of the debates. People have heated debates all the time without stooping to your level.
Just read the BS on that one thread that you wrote. And all of it, every single word was designed to intimidate and demean, as well as shut down the debate, not foster it.
Bottom line is, you don't like me and posters like me. We present a view that challenges yours. In my case, you have tried, but have never been able to make me cower away. You don't look to have an honest but heated debate with me, you want to shut me, and others like me, down.
People say they come here for lively conversation expressing different points of view. That isn't what you do, you look to shut down and chase off any view that opposes yours, which is mostly just carrying the team's water, not a very thought provoking position.