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| Before the Giants’ first practice of the week Wednesday, Shurmur delivered a stern message to his team. He also issued an ultimatum. “Guys understand those mistakes are unacceptable and if individuals don’t get it corrected, they probably won’t be playing anymore,” said one player. NJ Advance Media surveyed several players following Wednesday’s practice about the meeting. The players were granted anonymity so they could reveal Shurmur’s message. “It’s time," the player said. "There’s no more waiting around. It’s not about growing pains. It’s time to get it done.” Added one special teams player: “It isn’t a sense of panic, it’s a sense of urgency.” After five consecutive losses, Shurmur cut music from Wednesday’s jog-through practice and tried to put the commitment he’s asking of his players into perspective. |
I wonder if he got some private reassurance this week from Mara and DG that he is safe for next year, so now he's pulling this tough guy routine.
The product we have is a reflection of DG's talent assessment and Shumur's player development and game planning. So they are much more to blame for what we are watching than the players.
Shurmur is such a nightmare...
What's next? He pushing "all his chips to the center of the table?"
Such a loser...
I wonder if he got some private reassurance this week from Mara and DG that he is safe for next year, so now he's pulling this tough guy routine.
The product we have is a reflection of DG's talent assessment and Shumur's player development and game planning. So they are much more to blame for what we are watching than the players.
Shurmur is such a nightmare...
What's next? He pushing "all his chips to the center of the table?"
Such a loser...
He hasn't done anything to warrant reassurance from them. But with Mara, he definitely could have said something positive behind closed doors. After "firing" coughlin, we didnt get much interest in our job, I always wondered why that was with the long leash Mara affords.
So I wouldn’t put anything past them when it comes to Shurmur. They are trapped over there in their “Giants Way” bubble and simply can’t be trusted anymore...
So I wouldn’t put anything past them when it comes to Shurmur. They are trapped over there in their “Giants Way” bubble and simply can’t be trusted anymore...
Radio silence from "Jints Central" mid-season is nothing new, you can let your conspiracy theories rest.
So I wouldn’t put anything past them when it comes to Shurmur. They are trapped over there in their “Giants Way” bubble and simply can’t be trusted anymore...
Yea I don't know how you arrive at the conclusion that Shurmur has gotten a vote of confidence.
This type of report seems to support the opposite of that argument.
I wonder if he got some private reassurance this week from Mara and DG that he is safe for next year, so now he's pulling this tough guy routine.
The product we have is a reflection of DG's talent assessment and Shumur's player development and game planning. So they are much more to blame for what we are watching than the players.
Shurmur is such a nightmare...
What's next? He pushing "all his chips to the center of the table?"
Such a loser...
This type of report seems to support the opposite of that argument.
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It’s been awfully quiet at Jints Central lately. Nothing from Mara. Nothing from Tisch. Nothing from Gettleman. They are laying real low...
So I wouldn’t put anything past them when it comes to Shurmur. They are trapped over there in their “Giants Way” bubble and simply can’t be trusted anymore...
Yea I don't know how you arrive at the conclusion that Shurmur has gotten a vote of confidence.
This type of report seems to support the opposite of that argument.
I was actually wondering about the possibility. I didn't say it was conclusive.
From the recent Eli Saga to the recent OBJ Saga, I don't know how anyone can take anything off the table at this point...
In a normal football operation, yes, Shurmur should be desperate.
But there is nothing normal about this organization...
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Yea I don't know how you arrive at the conclusion that Shurmur has gotten a vote of confidence.
This type of report seems to support the opposite of that argument.
i also read this as meaning that Shurmur is feeling intense pressure. Recall that he lost control of himself in the 4th quarter on Monday night. You’ve got to feel for him on the human level. I’m sure he’s a good person. He actually might be a good HC prospect at the college level.
Why do the Giants realize you need the not too big for me ice water veins QB in NYC, but not coach?
I mean fucking joke Mcadoo and Shemur ffs?
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I think it’s more that he is desperate. Mara typically doesn’t make rash decisions in season , Geno-gate aside.
In a normal football operation, yes, Shurmur should be desperate.
But there is nothing normal about this organization...
Shurmur can't change who he is. The players will not respect that and will not respond. Is there a part of him that can demand accountability and precision? We will see.
The biggest problem with the Giants is not our schemes, game management could improve but even that is not the largest problem. I don't even think its players, for the most part we are not getting physically beaten. I think they are good enough players to be a 500 team.
Defense
Maintain proper leverage
Gap integrity and pass rush lanes
Assignment sound
Rally to the ball
Tackle
Offense
Proper position and technique
Assignment sound: Pick up stunts, proper angles
Catch the ball
Do not fumble the ball
This all basic stuff.
Yes, we can use Barkley and Engram better, but it won't matter if we don't have the basics down.
The OL coach and LB coach in particular should be all over their guys as they area playing with all the disciplne of frightened squirrels.
The 'culture' excuse is tired. Its performance, not 'culture'. Performance from ownership, from the front office, and from the coaching staff.
I m not a coach basher, leave that up to the experts. But the certainty with which many speak of his incompetence is making me really pull hard for him.
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got beat deep by Slayton on that TD
and Zimmer grabbed his facemask and yelled at him even though the Vikings were still winning that game.
Thats the kind of shit we need
Shurmur be like it's all right we can fix it. Now lift your head son, all is right in the world.
If Shurmur grabbed anyone's facemask he'd get his bobble penis head ripped off his neck in return.
bahahahahaha ... this thread ... LOL
Right. Because the giants haven’t fired 2 HCs over the last 5 seasons or anything...
Shurmur's got no chips to push.
Fassel gets a bad rap around here, he got them to a Super Bowl. Shurmur's still waiting on that first playoff appearance.
Do some of you truly believe that shurmur hasn’t been conveying urgency to the team all season long? The guy may be a mess here but this article or quote isn’t telling us anything relevant. “It took this long” ——cmon already!
Do some of you truly believe that shurmur hasn’t been conveying urgency to the team all season long? The guy may be a mess here but this article or quote isn’t telling us anything relevant. “It took this long” ——cmon already!
Watch out everybody, djm has his pom poms waving and he's ready to use them as weapons!
Do some of you truly believe that shurmur hasn’t been conveying urgency to the team all season long? The guy may be a mess here but this article or quote isn’t telling us anything relevant. “It took this long” ——cmon already!
Do some of you truly believe that shurmur hasn’t been conveying urgency to the team all season long? The guy may be a mess here but this article or quote isn’t telling us anything relevant. “It took this long” ——cmon already!
He doesn't deserve any benefit of the doubt from anyone at this point. All he's proven is that he's a bad HC.
Truly, I bet Pat Shurmur is a really nice dude - I'd have no problem grabbing a beer with the guy. He's just sucks at coaching this football team and his career record speaks for itself at this point.
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and not one Jim Fassel reference.
Shurmur's got no chips to push.
Fassel gets a bad rap around here, he got them to a Super Bowl. Shurmur's still waiting on that first playoff appearance.
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And this is not directed at terps who I just responded to, but some of you sound really fucking stupid despite trying to come off a smart ass.
Do some of you truly believe that shurmur hasn’t been conveying urgency to the team all season long? The guy may be a mess here but this article or quote isn’t telling us anything relevant. “It took this long” ——cmon already!
He doesn't deserve any benefit of the doubt from anyone at this point. All he's proven is that he's a bad HC.
Truly, I bet Pat Shurmur is a really nice dude - I'd have no problem grabbing a beer with the guy. He's just sucks at coaching this football team and his career record speaks for itself at this point.
As long as he has a Giants logo on his shirt, Shurmur is bulletproof for djm and his allergic reaction to critical thought toward the Giants.
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Right. Because the giants haven’t fired 2 HCs over the last 5 seasons or anything...
We're getting to the part of the year where you start telling us how the progress we make now will carry over into 2020. It's the BBI post Halloween tradition - talking current chicken shit into future chicken salad.
Bears - Chase Daniels nuff said
Redskins - in utter turmoil at the QB position and OLine starting two weeks before we played them - their season fell apart
Titans - we got dominated, but it was rainy wah
Colts - they had a helluva run to end the season and they came into the Giants game thinking they were getting a break, doesnt work that way in NFL, and handled us in the second half
Cowboys - literally nothing to play for and benched/limited star players on top of that
There were way too many people with their head in the sand about why this team "performed" down the stretch.
Unlike many of you I think we got some nice pieces in place, but this coaching staff is a joke.
Bears - Chase Daniels nuff said
Redskins - in utter turmoil at the QB position and OLine starting two weeks before we played them - their season fell apart
Titans - we got dominated, but it was rainy wah
Colts - they had a helluva run to end the season and they came into the Giants game thinking they were getting a break, doesnt work that way in NFL, and handled us in the second half
Cowboys - literally nothing to play for and benched/limited star players on top of that
There were way too many people with their head in the sand about why this team "performed" down the stretch.
Unlike many of you I think we got some nice pieces in place, but this coaching staff is a joke.
It's not just the coaching staff. The front office is an equally bad joke.
I know not everyone loves Mike Lombardi, but his podcast today contained this nugget:
- Mara wants to hire Belichick and implement the Patriot program, but he can't hire Belichick
- He wanted McDaniels, but Gettleman blew that up in the interview because he wanted total control on personnel
Shurmur is not the fundamental problem.
Get a HC who can operate as a GM, and who will have complete program oversight and accountability. Have them bring in scouts that they can work with to find players that fit the schemes they're looking to employ, and to hire coordinators and position coaches that all align themselves accordingly.
If it doesn't work, pull the plug, flush the whole lot, start from scratch. No sense in making tweaks here or there, you just end up with some Frankenstein combination of used parts that don't fit together well.
Get a HC who can operate as a GM, and who will have complete program oversight and accountability. Have them bring in scouts that they can work with to find players that fit the schemes they're looking to employ, and to hire coordinators and position coaches that all align themselves accordingly.
If it doesn't work, pull the plug, flush the whole lot, start from scratch. No sense in making tweaks here or there, you just end up with some Frankenstein combination of used parts that don't fit together well.
God bless you for seeing the light on this. This indeed the way to go. Have all the coordinators, scouts, administrators (e.g. Capologist), etc report directly up the HC/GM. Let that dual position select the exact players he wants to fit his scheme and game-planning for Sundays.
Enough of this extra layer of football fat - the GM...
Get a HC who can operate as a GM, and who will have complete program oversight and accountability. Have them bring in scouts that they can work with to find players that fit the schemes they're looking to employ, and to hire coordinators and position coaches that all align themselves accordingly.
If it doesn't work, pull the plug, flush the whole lot, start from scratch. No sense in making tweaks here or there, you just end up with some Frankenstein combination of used parts that don't fit together well.
100%
No; McDaniels didn't want to work with Gettleman and turned down the job.
turned the ball over and settled for FG's . Dallas
used the same defense around the goal line and PS had
no answer for it . Even on defense Bethea has lost three
steps at some point you make a change same on offense
Remmers and Halpio have been dreadful . We can see it
what is he not seeing on the coaches tape .
Cripes you have a FB sitting on the bench and your
Giving Engram carries . Put Barkley in on 1st down
Everybody knows he is gonna run SB Shurmur never fools
anyone ever !
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I'm not exactly buying that.
No; McDaniels didn't want to work with Gettleman and turned down the job.
That is fucking horrid.
McDaniels was the guy I was pounding the pavement for last year. If you want the Patriots program and can’t get BB, you get the guy who is most likely to be the next young BB, who took his learning lumps early, and understands that program. Is innovative, creative, adaptive.
I was advocating for Riddick at GM too bc those two were rumored to WANT to work together, as a package deal.
How can you have high level of respect for a potential coach, and then saddle them with a GM that might not perfectly align with their vision? It’s stupidity at its highest level, and at best a gross catering to egos and keeping the good old boys happy. .
Disgusted with this franchise.
Have some f’n vision. Grow some fucking balls.
Is that like present tense? If so, Mara needs to move heaven & earth to get BB. I don't care what it takes.
I m not a coach basher, leave that up to the experts. But the certainty with which many speak of his incompetence is making me really pull hard for him.
So if he were 14-36 early in his fourth season, you'd really, REALLY pull hard for him! He'd really deserve it!
Is that like present tense? If so, Mara needs to move heaven & earth to get BB. I don't care what it takes.
This is the impression I got from listening to Lombardi. Mara wants Belichick but Belichick isn't available.
So far I know you don’t like Rhule or McDaniels - any name you want? Of course, we all want Belichick, but I have to assume that isn’t an option.
Sure Josh freaking McDaniels without BB or Ernie Adams is going to come here and do what Belichick did. Unreal.
There is one guy on the planet who can do that. The Pats without Lil Bill are the worst team in football. Trying to copy the Pats without BB is a fool’s errand and why NO ONE else in the NFL has been able to do so.