Pat Shurmur To Players: It's Make or Break Time

know what kind of leader Shurmur is or if he's a long-term solution, but with a team full of young guys, it is important to send the message that this shit isn't acceptable. They need to learn that early on.

I'm sure this will get turned into another bash Shurmur thread, but this is a teaching moment for young players.

Shurmur is starting to feel the heat from under his seat.

In comment 14667892 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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know what kind of leader Shurmur is or if he's a long-term solution, but with a team full of young guys, it is important to send the message that this shit isn't acceptable. They need to learn that early on. I'm sure this will get turned into another bash Shurmur thread, but this is a teaching moment for young players.

Yeah, I agree with you.

This is actually positive to hear from me, especially about the guys who agree with him even under the condition of being anonymous.

I don't like Shurmur, but it's time for this and people need to start getting held accountable. Like Jenkins.

was about three weeks ago.

Now is just the time to see if the ship can be righted.

I agree but, why 2-7 to start "teaching"...

Both Chris Bisignano from Giants Insider and Patty Traina from Giants Locked On Podcast both have mentioned if that Shurmur loses the Jets game that he could be gone.

He's definitely feeling the heat. He knows he has to win games right now otherwise he's not getting another season.

He won't lose his job this year - but he's not coming back next year unless we start winning football games here. He knows that. This is probably his last-gasp as an NFL HC. Time is running out really fast.

In comment 14667904 jvm52106 said:

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I agree but, why 2-7 to start "teaching"...

We shouldn't be naive enough to think he just started teaching. The season is lost and he knows that young players need to understand that there are still games to play and that they can't just give up. Part of being a professional player

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he would bench a starter that is struggling. There are plenty to choose from, Halapio, Bethea, Solder, Remmers, Ogeltree, etc.

I am not a Pulley fan but it's time to give him a shot. Hopefully Halapio's injury causes him to sit out on Sunday. If he misses the game I have a feeling he won't get his starting job back unless Pulley suffers an injury.

We will not lose to the NYJ this week.

In comment 14667904 jvm52106 said:

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I agree but, why 2-7 to start "teaching"...

I know it should've been from day 1..

he's going to the bench?

i'm calling bullshit

In comment 14667905 nzyme said:

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Both Chris Bisignano from Giants Insider and Patty Traina from Giants Locked On Podcast both have mentioned if that Shurmur loses the Jets game that he could be gone.

Bisignano also mentioned that many of the veterans are tired of the rookie mistakes and don’t believe they are being professional in their preparation, in particular was mentioned D. Baker.

Someone put that on a shirt

2-7 this year. 7-18 so far. Now is the time.

would have been doing this in August.

he was a good coordinator but is a horrible HC.
with the talent on this team I believe they could have won a couple more games this year. Not a playoff team but something to build on.

he's finally stepping out and saying something AFTER we started 2-7. How about have some fucking urgency in August? September?

I like that he's doing this, but it's too late. It doesn't matter if you deliver this message and you wind up 6-10.

Read this freaking article. The title doesn't tell the story. Read the quotes from the players especially from Golden Tate.... This should NOT happen under a competent head coach!

Disgusting

this is definitely not a bash Shurmur session, but how can you ignore his record and pretty much terrible coaching to date? We've really seen nothing from him that would be a positive. He was hired to be a great play caller and good head coach for this team moving forward, a steady hand. He has been none of that.

In comment 14667930 Mr. Bungle said:

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would have been doing this in August.

Ding ding.

The Giants could win out and I wouldn't care. You can't do anything if you're starting 2-7 or 1-8.

A loss Sunday probably is a death sentence to this buffoon. That's why I'm hoping we lose.

In comment 14667945 nzyme said:

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Read this freaking article. The title doesn't tell the story. Read the quotes from the players especially from Golden Tate.... This should NOT happen under a competent head coach! Disgusting

Thanks good read. Wish more guys had Tate s attitude

spread throughout the coaching ranks also as well as himself.

As Sy pointed out in his review, it is Shurmur's job to figure out ways to get the ball in the hands of our best playmaker as other teams do with their top running backs. My issue with Shurmur, outside of the fact his record is 7-18, is that he is a system coach...there does not seem to be any flexibility to his coaching. My god, you have a player like Saquon and you have to figure out multiple ways to get him the ball, not just running it and I agree he is not running it very well right now.

The best trait BB has is his ability to adapt...outside of Brady and maybe Gronk, their offensive talent is at best good. But he finds ways to put players in positions to succeed and use their strengths. Shurmur has shown no ability to do this.

To me, it is on everyone on the Giants...coaches and players. No more excuses...time to step up.

In comment 14667945 nzyme said:

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Read this freaking article. The title doesn't tell the story. Read the quotes from the players especially from Golden Tate.... This should NOT happen under a competent head coach! Disgusting

I didnt see in there where a veteran was pointing a finger at any of the rookies. It should have said

"Giants players getting tired of losing amid their own mistakes"

No one on this team is playing well, its not just the rookies

in which the season was completely lost.

3 weeks too late.

In comment 14667964 cjac said:

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In comment 14667945 nzyme said: Quote: Read this freaking article. The title doesn't tell the story. Read the quotes from the players especially from Golden Tate.... This should NOT happen under a competent head coach! Disgusting I didnt see in there where a veteran was pointing a finger at any of the rookies. It should have said "Giants players getting tired of losing amid their own mistakes" No one on this team is playing well, its not just the rookies

That's not the article that was pulled from, joeinpa above mentions it was Bisignano's podcast.

we are going to beat the Jets, Dolphins, maybe the Skins, and then probably squeak out another win somehow to finish 6-10. The narrative from Shurmur is that we "fought" and "improved" down the stretch and went 4-3 in our last 7 games and hey, "if we had started out that way, our season would have been great" and also we "made strides" from last year, winning a total of 1 more game than last season.

Then in 2020 we will start out 1-4 and wonder why the hell he is still the coach.

In comment 14667892 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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know what kind of leader Shurmur is or if he's a long-term solution, but with a team full of young guys, it is important to send the message that this shit isn't acceptable. They need to learn that early on. I'm sure this will get turned into another bash Shurmur thread, but this is a teaching moment for young players.

Shurmur has merited every bashing he has received. And yes, the time to "send the message that this shit isn't acceptable" to rookies is during OTA's, not more than halfway through the season. If Shurmur has been doing this all along as you believe, then no one is listening which is a problem in of itself.

In comment 14667976 ryanmkeane said:

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we are going to beat the Jets, Dolphins, maybe the Skins, and then probably squeak out another win somehow to finish 6-10. The narrative from Shurmur is that we "fought" and "improved" down the stretch and went 4-3 in our last 7 games and hey, "if we had started out that way, our season would have been great" and also we "made strides" from last year, winning a total of 1 more game than last season. Then in 2020 we will start out 1-4 and wonder why the hell he is still the coach.

I won't be surprised at all if we lose to two of those three teams.

I see a 4-12 finish, personally. We'll win one or two of those 3 games and if it's one, we'll get some bullshit win somewhere else somehow.

We can discuss and entertain improvement if the Giants go 6-1 or 5-2 the rest of the way. (They won't) 3-4 the rest of the way should do nothing but get the coach and the entire staff fired.

Time to shut the barn door.

In comment 14667976 ryanmkeane said:

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we are going to beat the Jets, Dolphins, maybe the Skins, and then probably squeak out another win somehow to finish 6-10. The narrative from Shurmur is that we "fought" and "improved" down the stretch and went 4-3 in our last 7 games and hey, "if we had started out that way, our season would have been great" and also we "made strides" from last year, winning a total of 1 more game than last season. Then in 2020 we will start out 1-4 and wonder why the hell he is still the coach.

Don't be so sure this team reaches 6 wins. I'm still not sure they make it to 5.

The NFL is weird. I don't love Sam Darnold as a long-term answer for the Jets but his problems the last few weeks have been with pressure, something we can't consistently generate.

I don't know if we win or lose but I guarantee you we are going to see the Darnold that showed up against Dallas vs. the Darnold of the last few weeks.

while nice to hear its disappointing that he didn't have this kind of urgency prior to us basically getting eliminated from the playoffs.

I hope our next HC has the stones to rock these players on day 1. There's so many young guys and so few vets that you can establish a new culture immediately and move on from this mess. They really need to nail the next hire, whenever the hell that is.

In comment 14667904 jvm52106 said:

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I agree but, why 2-7 to start "teaching"...

And also, is anyone delivering a version of Shurmur's message to Shurmur himself?

If you manage folks now in your real life, you know getting to this point is really POOR management . Its desperation

Players who have respect for their coach and bring it day to day with top of their game don't need this type of desperation speech

Its 9 games too late and shows me that he isn't the type of coach that not only is good for young guys but also a head coach

they smell desperation. And this messaging is piss poor

In comment 14667892 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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know what kind of leader Shurmur is or if he's a long-term solution, but with a team full of young guys, it is important to send the message that this shit isn't acceptable. They need to learn that early on. I'm sure this will get turned into another bash Shurmur thread, but this is a teaching moment for young players.

I mean why did he do this now and not 3 or 4 weeks ago? The season is over now.

In comment 14667892 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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know what kind of leader Shurmur is or if he's a long-term solution, but with a team full of young guys, it is important to send the message that this shit isn't acceptable. They need to learn that early on. I'm sure this will get turned into another bash Shurmur thread, but this is a teaching moment for young players.

Agree, but maybe he could have had this discussion in August.

not being snarky, but in all seriousness would having this discussion before the team was 2 - 7 have changed anything?

Probably not, but at 2 - 7 it just seems a little late (for this year at least)

In comment 14667914 Go Terps said:

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Indeed. If the Giants cobble together a few blowouts against the Jets, Dolphins and perhaps the Redskins, he'll be able to pitch it as an improvement, or as exceeding expectations of a very young team addled by injuries.

In comment 14667990 UConn4523 said:

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while nice to hear its disappointing that he didn't have this kind of urgency prior to us basically getting eliminated from the playoffs. I hope our next HC has the stones to rock these players on day 1. There's so many young guys and so few vets that you can establish a new culture immediately and move on from this mess. They really need to nail the next hire, whenever the hell that is.

Amen.

There is no reason this team can't be 4-5 right now with a big game to get to .500 before the BYE.

This year went off the rails against AZ and Detroit. Two extremely winnable games.

In comment 14667892 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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know what kind of leader Shurmur is or if he's a long-term solution, but with a team full of young guys, it is important to send the message that this shit isn't acceptable. They need to learn that early on. I'm sure this will get turned into another bash Shurmur thread, but this is a teaching moment for young players.

Problem is... should have been done right after the first Dallas game. Shurmur is a little late here. Translation: He's an ex-NFL coach at the end of this season.

Now I don't care if they lose as long as Jones plays well and limits the fumbles. If they finish with a poor enough record it not only increases their chances of landing Andrew Thomas, Chase Young, or Jerry Jeudy but it also makes it more likely that ownership will fire Shurmur.

There are some good HC options but I like the idea of raiding the Cowboys staff. Not only do I think Kris Richard can be a very good HC but it would also be a huge blow to the Cowboys defense. He might also be able to bring Rod Marinelli along with him.

And yeah - I agree with you guys. 9 games into the year isn't where this type of urgency should just start to surface.

This is a message that needed to be delivered in August. You should coach with urgency from Day 1. It's a 16 game season. You can't just 'ease in' and then tell the guys they're now more accountable for their play in November.

He just seems like he's constantly behind the ball.

In comment 14667906 arcarsenal said:

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He's definitely feeling the heat. He knows he has to win games right now otherwise he's not getting another season. He won't lose his job this year - but he's not coming back next year unless we start winning football games here. He knows that. This is probably his last-gasp as an NFL HC. Time is running out really fast.

I said this before the season. It was why I was so bullish on Jones getting the start early. If Shurmur fails he will not get another HC job...no way. The arrow needs to point up and the players can sink him...they might choose to. Very curious to see the EFFORT of players Sunday. I think Shurmur HAS to beat the Jets.

a horrible head coach.

with a young QB and Pro Bowl Running Back making mistakes? Will he yank them too?! I don't think so.

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In comment 14667923 joeinpa said:

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In comment 14667905 nzyme said: Quote: Both Chris Bisignano from Giants Insider and Patty Traina from Giants Locked On Podcast both have mentioned if that Shurmur loses the Jets game that he could be gone. Bisignano also mentioned that many of the veterans are tired of the rookie mistakes and don’t believe they are being professional in their preparation, in particular was mentioned D. Baker.

I heard him mention this as well. It's really a shame because the Giants needed Baker to be productive this season. Apparently he still thinks he's hot shit and doesn't want to study film like a professional.

like this are about as impactful as a parent saying "don't make me turn this car around"

Janoris Jenkins is still playing. Other players see this.

In comment 14667892 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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know what kind of leader Shurmur is or if he's a long-term solution, but with a team full of young guys, it is important to send the message that this shit isn't acceptable. They need to learn that early on. I'm sure this will get turned into another bash Shurmur thread, but this is a teaching moment for young players.

Shouldnt this message have been delivered in August?