Unsure if anyone has been following this story, but essentially, NYC wants to reward recently released inmates and give them gifts for showing up to court dates.
I mean, really?
Nearly 900 city jailbirds could be celebrating Christmas early courtesy of Gov. Andrew Cuomo and a plan to quietly free them before the state’s bail-reform law goes into effect next year, The Post has learned.
And if that weren’t enough of a gift, Mayor Bill de Blasio is promising to follow up with even more presents for the lucky accused criminals — by giving them free baseball tickets, movie passes and gift cards to encourage them to return to court, sources familiar with the program said.
“You’re literally rewarding them for committing a crime,’’ said a disgusted senior staffer in Manhattan Criminal Court. |
| A law-enforcement source noted that the tickets would be for the Mets — whose games are in considerably less demand than the Yankees. |
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Can we get any rational person with the slightest semblance of a clue to run for NYC mayor in 2021? Hello? Bueller?
DeBlasio is a damn embarrassment so I assume this was his idea.
Can we get any rational person with the slightest semblance of a clue to run for NYC mayor in 2021? Hello? Bueller?
Only thing better would be including a free beer voucher!
Huh? No, they're accused criminals who couldn't make bail and are being released as the city and state move forward with bail reform. (I mean, some of them may have past convictions, but the current releases aren't early releases from current sentences, they're releases of people who are being held pending trials).
Section, if this article is true, some of the inmates in question would not be considered choir boys:
Guilty or not, those are some pretty serious crimes. Giving these accused suspects gifts for simply showing up to court is the real story here.
We don't know if they've broken the law, we only know that they've been accused of breaking the law. But I guess innocent until proven guilty doesn't matter for the "law & order" crowd.
Maybe the Wilpons are DeBlasio donors?
Can he force the Mets to spend any increased revenue that is directly related to this "program"?
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they are defendants who could not afford bail. Without commenting on the merits of this plan, we can acknowledge that our bail system is overly punitive.
Section, if this article is true, some of the inmates in question would not be considered choir boys:
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The more than 400 offenses include such heinous acts as criminally negligent homicide, aggravated assault on a child under 11 and selling drugs on or near school grounds, according to a memo being circulated by prosecutors across the state and obtained by The Post.
Guilty or not, those are some pretty serious crimes. Giving these accused suspects gifts for simply showing up to court is the real story here.
I think anyone credibly accused of a violent crime should not be given bail at all. And I am not commenting on the merits of this policy, because I don't see many. My comment is only about those already assuming that these are convicted criminals.
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Not "Accused" criminals?
Huh? No, they're accused criminals who couldn't make bail and are being released as the city and state move forward with bail reform. (I mean, some of them may have past convictions, but the current releases aren't early releases from current sentences, they're releases of people who are being held pending trials).
Interesting, I didn't know that. Either way, what some of them are accused of is quite startling.
If you put this in a film or on a series people would balk at how unrealistic it is. But hey not in SJW territory.
Unfuckingbelievable.
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Let people who don’t break laws know the date of the tickets. I wouldn’t want to be in attendance.
We don't know if they've broken the law, we only know that they've been accused of breaking the law. But I guess innocent until proven guilty doesn't matter for the "law & order" crowd.
Well, most importantly, this is not that. "Innocent until proven guilty" would be with respect to conviction and punishment. Here' we're talking about rewards.
Also, I wonder what percentage of accused defendants in NYC end up being guilty versus acquitted. Secondly, I wonder what percentage of innocent people need to be incentivized to show up for the trial as compared to (eventual) guilty people.
Instead of setting absurd cash bonds with the goal of holding people, set bonds they can make if they are appropriate candidates for bond and hold them without if they're not.
Knicks/Rangers still likely draw better than the Mets.
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There is someone who came up with this idea, pitched it to the powers that be and they agreed to move forward with this? Is this real life here?
DeBlasio is a damn embarrassment so I assume this was his idea.
Warren Wilhelm Jr.
However...a fair minded assessment of his tenure as mayor, uncorrupted by the vapid needling of frivolous prominent national outlets who upbraid NYC in a disingenuous & agenda driven manner, allows that some of his policies have been soberly arrived at. I didn’t support the guy like I did his mostly sensible predecessor but:
Investing in children is one of the most effective long-term anti-poverty measures. This is proven. One can argue the relative sagacity of similar programs for adults, but for children it’s smart & largely efficacious policy.
Riker’s Island is an outdated disgrace to our city (and nation). Its shuttering is long, long overdue. Read about Kalief Browder if you disagree. Its advocates are not “tough on crime”. They’re flailing sadists.
It’s also prime NYC real estate that should have been part of the LGA renovations, which themselves should have taken place 15-20 years ago. We were of course spending money in...other areas instead.
Anyway, go Mets.
All they have to do is commit some crimes, do some, and they will get the free tickets
Also, I guess this is how they will fill up Citi Field too.
They are rewarded. They don't need to attend a Mets game as as a condition of their parole.
Now, add the optics of giving rewards to people accused of committing a crime for making an appearance they're obligated by law to make, and the fact that the de Blasio administration could fuck up a winning lottery ticket and well, the Mets - and here we are.
Trust me, going to Jints games the last few years HAS BEEN JAIL.........
Part 2 of the plan is to put law abiding citizens into jail.
You do realize most people who get bail in NYC are not first, second or third time offenders? These are people who have been arrested 30+ times.
As someone who works in law enforcement and has for the last 18 years, the city is in real bad shape. The NYPD brass can only cook the numbers for so long. The politicians and NYPD brass keep lamenting that crime is down, when in reality crime is up.. Way up. Homelessness is on the rise, the mentally ill are at ever bus stop and train station.
My daughter the other day was coming home from having lunch in Manhattan. While she was waiting for the train a homeless person asked her for money. When she responded with "I don't have any" the person swung his cane at her striking her in the leg. Unfortunately this is all to common now a days. I for one will not be taking my family into NYC anymore, I do not see it as a safe place and come January 1st, it will be even less safe then it is now.
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they are defendants who could not afford bail. Without commenting on the merits of this plan, we can acknowledge that our bail system is overly punitive.
The politicians and NYPD brass keep lamenting that crime is down, when in reality crime is up.. Way up.
Not being douchy, but do you have stats to back that up? I'm curious because it's tough getting a read on what's true.
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they are defendants who could not afford bail. Without commenting on the merits of this plan, we can acknowledge that our bail system is overly punitive.
The politicians and NYPD brass keep lamenting that crime is down, when in reality crime is up.. Way up.
Not being douchy, but do you have stats to back that up? I'm curious because it's tough getting a read on what's true.
What Tommy says is difficult to prove statistically because the stats do tell a different story.
Anecdotally though if you speak to enough people working in law enforcement and on community boards, crime is certainly on the uptick. Precincts have been reluctant to chase down some of the pettier crimes to avoid the hit to their numbers. Here in south Brooklyn, there has been a rise in the stats on attempted burglaries and car thefts, and if you speak to anyone on a community board the number of complaints is actually much higher but the police simply don't pursue a lot of them (you'll call and they won't turn up to take a report).
Hard to say how directly it correlates to any of the moves being made to reduce the number of NYers in jail versus the overall economy and other factors, though. Anyone I know in LE seems to be convinced that there is going to be a significant rise once the new policies take effect and the finger pointing is going to delay anything being done to offset the increase.
The new Bail Reform laws and expansion of the desk appearance ticket (DAT) program will take effect. Rather then have someone go see a judge within 24 hours a DAT can be issued from the station house if one qualifies for it (no warrants etc). The person is released from the station house (within an hour or two of an arrest) with a court date that they are supposed to show up for. A DAT is for low level offenses (Suspended License, Petit Larceny etc) but the new expansion of the program will allow for many violent crimes to be eligible for Desk Appearance Tickets. So rather then keep a person in jail for the night (which gives a Judge enough time to issue an order of protection) who had just attacked and beat up his roommate, he will be released within an hour or two only to go back to his apartment... You can use your imagination as to what happens when he gets back to his apartment and see's his or her's roommate.
Hey let's give these guys free movie tickets, gift cards or tickets to a ball game. Not only should that sway them from committing further heinous crimes, but will definitely give them incentive to show up to a future court date.
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they are defendants who could not afford bail. Without commenting on the merits of this plan, we can acknowledge that our bail system is overly punitive.
The politicians and NYPD brass keep lamenting that crime is down, when in reality crime is up.. Way up.
Not being douchy, but do you have stats to back that up? I'm curious because it's tough getting a read on what's true.
To put it this way, there is one stat you cannot change. That is homicides and shootings. Homicides are up nearly 3% from 2018 and shootings are up almost 5% from 2018. They are what they are, you can't hide them. Every other crime (felony assaults, grand larceny, robbery) is free game for the powers that be to manipulate/downgrade them to be whatever category of crime it is that they want. It is a balancing act to give an illusion that crime is down. This is the reason for the modern day compstat.
Misdemeanors
Money bail is eliminated with only two exceptions: sex offense misdemeanors and criminal contempt charges for an order of protection violation in a domestic violence case. Also, straightpretrial detention (“remand”) is eliminated in all misdemeanor cases.
Nonviolent Felonies
Both money bail and pretrial detention are eliminated in virtually all nonviolent felonies, with a limited
number of exceptions: witness intimidation or tampering, conspiracy to commit murder, felony criminal contempt charges involving domestic violence, and a limited number of offenses against children, sex offenses, and terrorism-related charges.
No, it is for people who cannot afford bail and therefore are stuck in jail until their trial, if I understand it. I can understand trying to get low level accused from remaining in jail for 6 months or more for non-violent charges.
But it does seem unwarranted to give them gifts to show up for their hearings. It would seem that allowing them out without bail is a present in and of itself. But I can understand it.
The woman got diversion instead of jail time. Diversion is complete joke. If you do drugs you just call up and say your sick and they reschedule your drug test. I kid you not.
My uncle suffered a home invasion in which he opened the door and was hit in the face with a baseball bat. He is in his 60s and was severely beaten. All the perps walked
So basically people who live in a bubble support this stuff
Or people who think criminals are mistreated because of their identity