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NFT: DeBlasio to give released inmates free tix to Mets Games

figgy2989 : 11/7/2019 11:55 am
Unsure if anyone has been following this story, but essentially, NYC wants to reward recently released inmates and give them gifts for showing up to court dates.

I mean, really?

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Nearly 900 city jailbirds could be celebrating Christmas early courtesy of Gov. Andrew Cuomo and a plan to quietly free them before the state’s bail-reform law goes into effect next year, The Post has learned.

And if that weren’t enough of a gift, Mayor Bill de Blasio is promising to follow up with even more presents for the lucky accused criminals — by giving them free baseball tickets, movie passes and gift cards to encourage them to return to court, sources familiar with the program said.

“You’re literally rewarding them for committing a crime,’’ said a disgusted senior staffer in Manhattan Criminal Court.


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A law-enforcement source noted that the tickets would be for the Mets — whose games are in considerably less demand than the Yankees.




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Follow up story from NY Post  
figgy2989 : 11/7/2019 11:56 am : link
Where they are unsure who is going to be funding the free tickets.

Unbelievable. - ( New Window )
I thought they banned cruel and unusual punishment  
BH28 : 11/7/2019 11:58 am : link
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As a Mets fan  
figgy2989 : 11/7/2019 12:00 pm : link
Believe me, I do get the irony here.
Wouldn't these be "convicted" criminals  
bradshaw44 : 11/7/2019 12:00 pm : link
Not "Accused" criminals?
There are unintended, unforeseeable consequences...  
Dunedin81 : 11/7/2019 12:01 pm : link
and there are utterly foreseeable consequences that only a dolt wouldn't anticipate.
I thought the aim is to encourage  
lawguy9801 : 11/7/2019 12:02 pm : link
them to show up? Because this would have the opposite effect.
That's a pretty sweet use of my tax money.  
fivehead : 11/7/2019 12:03 pm : link
I'm totally fine with ex-cons going to games on my dime, as long as it takes food off my table.
I'm sure the Mets are thrilled  
lawguy9801 : 11/7/2019 12:04 pm : link
that NYC is providing free tickets for criminals to attend their games.

Can we get any rational person with the slightest semblance of a clue to run for NYC mayor in 2021? Hello? Bueller?
Jeepers  
Bill L : 11/7/2019 12:06 pm : link
can you imagine the length of the line to steal a base?
I'm sure there's a bunch of kids that have never been  
Blue21 : 11/7/2019 12:13 pm : link
to a ball game that would like these.
I mean  
figgy2989 : 11/7/2019 12:18 pm : link
There is someone who came up with this idea, pitched it to the powers that be and they agreed to move forward with this? Is this real life here?

RE: I mean  
Jay on the Island : 11/7/2019 12:20 pm : link
In comment 14668235 figgy2989 said:
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There is someone who came up with this idea, pitched it to the powers that be and they agreed to move forward with this? Is this real life here?

DeBlasio is a damn embarrassment so I assume this was his idea.
What a brilliant idea  
Jay on the Island : 11/7/2019 12:21 pm : link
Not only using tax payer money to give free baseball tickets to criminals but also putting all of these criminals together with law abiding citizens who are there with their families. What could possibly go wrong!
They aren't criminals,  
Section331 : 11/7/2019 12:23 pm : link
they are defendants who could not afford bail. Without commenting on the merits of this plan, we can acknowledge that our bail system is overly punitive.
New York City:  
Giant John : 11/7/2019 12:24 pm : link
Your mayor is an idiot. You elected him.
RE: I'm sure the Mets are thrilled  
giants#1 : 11/7/2019 12:25 pm : link
In comment 14668200 lawguy9801 said:
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that NYC is providing free tickets for criminals to attend their games.

Can we get any rational person with the slightest semblance of a clue to run for NYC mayor in 2021? Hello? Bueller?


Only thing better would be including a free beer voucher!
RE: Wouldn't these be  
Mad Mike : 11/7/2019 12:26 pm : link
In comment 14668184 bradshaw44 said:
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Not "Accused" criminals?

Huh? No, they're accused criminals who couldn't make bail and are being released as the city and state move forward with bail reform. (I mean, some of them may have past convictions, but the current releases aren't early releases from current sentences, they're releases of people who are being held pending trials).
Can somebody...  
Giant John : 11/7/2019 12:27 pm : link
Let people who don’t break laws know the date of the tickets. I wouldn’t want to be in attendance.
NYC  
beatrixkiddo : 11/7/2019 12:27 pm : link
Where fake crimes are real crimes and real crimes are fake crimes. This will certainly end well.
though to be fair (not saying I agree with this idea)  
giants#1 : 11/7/2019 12:28 pm : link
It's probably cheaper to give them Mets tickets ($50 apiece?) then to lock these individuals up for days/weeks while they await trial.
RE: They aren't criminals,  
figgy2989 : 11/7/2019 12:28 pm : link
In comment 14668250 Section331 said:
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they are defendants who could not afford bail. Without commenting on the merits of this plan, we can acknowledge that our bail system is overly punitive.


Section, if this article is true, some of the inmates in question would not be considered choir boys:

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The more than 400 offenses include such heinous acts as criminally negligent homicide, aggravated assault on a child under 11 and selling drugs on or near school grounds, according to a memo being circulated by prosecutors across the state and obtained by The Post.


Guilty or not, those are some pretty serious crimes. Giving these accused suspects gifts for simply showing up to court is the real story here.
LOL at anybody who voted for that idiot.  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/7/2019 12:28 pm : link
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RE: Can somebody...  
Section331 : 11/7/2019 12:29 pm : link
In comment 14668265 Giant John said:
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Let people who don’t break laws know the date of the tickets. I wouldn’t want to be in attendance.


We don't know if they've broken the law, we only know that they've been accused of breaking the law. But I guess innocent until proven guilty doesn't matter for the "law & order" crowd.
I read a profile about de Blasio a couple of months back  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/7/2019 12:29 pm : link
when he was on his vanity presidential bid. It didn't seem like the dude even wanted to be NYC mayor anymore. I'm sure this won't endear himself to many NYers.
RE: I mean  
giants#1 : 11/7/2019 12:29 pm : link
In comment 14668235 figgy2989 said:
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There is someone who came up with this idea, pitched it to the powers that be and they agreed to move forward with this? Is this real life here?


Maybe the Wilpons are DeBlasio donors?

Can he force the Mets to spend any increased revenue that is directly related to this "program"?
RE: RE: They aren't criminals,  
Section331 : 11/7/2019 12:31 pm : link
In comment 14668270 figgy2989 said:
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In comment 14668250 Section331 said:


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they are defendants who could not afford bail. Without commenting on the merits of this plan, we can acknowledge that our bail system is overly punitive.



Section, if this article is true, some of the inmates in question would not be considered choir boys:



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The more than 400 offenses include such heinous acts as criminally negligent homicide, aggravated assault on a child under 11 and selling drugs on or near school grounds, according to a memo being circulated by prosecutors across the state and obtained by The Post.



Guilty or not, those are some pretty serious crimes. Giving these accused suspects gifts for simply showing up to court is the real story here.


I think anyone credibly accused of a violent crime should not be given bail at all. And I am not commenting on the merits of this policy, because I don't see many. My comment is only about those already assuming that these are convicted criminals.
RE: RE: Wouldn't these be  
bradshaw44 : 11/7/2019 12:32 pm : link
In comment 14668264 Mad Mike said:
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Not "Accused" criminals?


Huh? No, they're accused criminals who couldn't make bail and are being released as the city and state move forward with bail reform. (I mean, some of them may have past convictions, but the current releases aren't early releases from current sentences, they're releases of people who are being held pending trials).


Interesting, I didn't know that. Either way, what some of them are accused of is quite startling.
LOL, New York is such a joke  
ZogZerg : 11/7/2019 12:33 pm : link
I would never move back to that state.
It’s a nefarious plan to circumvent NY’s lack of the death penalty  
Jim in Fairfax : 11/7/2019 12:36 pm : link
Watching the Mets makes a lot of people want to kill themselves.
Honestly WTF is wrong with this guy  
Torrag : 11/7/2019 12:38 pm : link
They should be in jail. OK they decide to give them early release. Felis navidad right? But NO, let's give them GIFTS too.

If you put this in a film or on a series people would balk at how unrealistic it is. But hey not in SJW territory.

Unfuckingbelievable.
The Mets are actually a winning team  
Metnut : 11/7/2019 12:40 pm : link
They should give these guys Rangers tickets. That's a team going nowhere fast.
Knicks tickets would be  
Metnut : 11/7/2019 12:41 pm : link
appropriate too.
RE: RE: Can somebody...  
Bill L : 11/7/2019 12:41 pm : link
In comment 14668272 Section331 said:
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Let people who don’t break laws know the date of the tickets. I wouldn’t want to be in attendance.



We don't know if they've broken the law, we only know that they've been accused of breaking the law. But I guess innocent until proven guilty doesn't matter for the "law & order" crowd.


Well, most importantly, this is not that. "Innocent until proven guilty" would be with respect to conviction and punishment. Here' we're talking about rewards.

Also, I wonder what percentage of accused defendants in NYC end up being guilty versus acquitted. Secondly, I wonder what percentage of innocent people need to be incentivized to show up for the trial as compared to (eventual) guilty people.
Cash bail set at a reasonable level to encourage attendance...  
Dunedin81 : 11/7/2019 12:43 pm : link
at trial is not a crime against humanity.

Instead of setting absurd cash bonds with the goal of holding people, set bonds they can make if they are appropriate candidates for bond and hold them without if they're not.
'They should give these guys Rangers tickets.'  
Torrag : 11/7/2019 12:44 pm : link
The Rangers have talent and youth and more on the way. You just have no patience and unrealistic expectations for this season.
sounds like a complete waste of time and money  
UConn4523 : 11/7/2019 12:46 pm : link
why not put that same effort in cost into keeping them free and hopefully productive members of society?
RE: Knicks tickets would be  
giants#1 : 11/7/2019 12:48 pm : link
In comment 14668310 Metnut said:
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appropriate too.


Knicks/Rangers still likely draw better than the Mets.
RE: RE: I mean  
madgiantscow009 : 11/7/2019 12:55 pm : link
In comment 14668244 Jay on the Island said:
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There is someone who came up with this idea, pitched it to the powers that be and they agreed to move forward with this? Is this real life here?



DeBlasio is a damn embarrassment so I assume this was his idea.


Warren Wilhelm Jr.
One thing that can unite us all as Americans  
Overseer : 11/7/2019 12:56 pm : link
is that de Blasio is a grandstanding blowhard who positively humiliated himself with his recent Prez run.

However...a fair minded assessment of his tenure as mayor, uncorrupted by the vapid needling of frivolous prominent national outlets who upbraid NYC in a disingenuous & agenda driven manner, allows that some of his policies have been soberly arrived at. I didn’t support the guy like I did his mostly sensible predecessor but:

Investing in children is one of the most effective long-term anti-poverty measures. This is proven. One can argue the relative sagacity of similar programs for adults, but for children it’s smart & largely efficacious policy.

Riker’s Island is an outdated disgrace to our city (and nation). Its shuttering is long, long overdue. Read about Kalief Browder if you disagree. Its advocates are not “tough on crime”. They’re flailing sadists.

It’s also prime NYC real estate that should have been part of the LGA renovations, which themselves should have taken place 15-20 years ago. We were of course spending money in...other areas instead.

Anyway, go Mets.

RE: I'm sure there's a bunch of kids that have never been  
Vanzetti : 11/7/2019 1:33 pm : link
In comment 14668225 Blue21 said:
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to a ball game that would like these.


All they have to do is commit some crimes, do some, and they will get the free tickets
No comment on this  
pjcas18 : 11/7/2019 1:54 pm : link
except somehow the Dukes (aka the Wilpons) found a way to profit on this or bump up attendance numbers artificially.
Can I get  
GMAN56 : 11/7/2019 2:33 pm : link
Giants or Yankee tickets for NOT going to jail? I mean for nearly 40 years Ive been a good law abiding citizen. Work and pay taxes. I think I deserve a break and I am sure most of you do too.

Also, I guess this is how they will fill up Citi Field too.
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DC Gmen Fan : 11/7/2019 2:35 pm : link
I'm actually cool with this  
Knineteen : 11/7/2019 4:08 pm : link
so long as the city passes out 5 tickets to every law-abiding citizen. Surely, law abiding citizen should be rewarded as well, right?
RE: I'm actually cool with this  
pjcas18 : 11/7/2019 4:13 pm : link
In comment 14668541 Knineteen said:
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so long as the city passes out 5 tickets to every law-abiding citizen. Surely, law abiding citizen should be rewarded as well, right?


They are rewarded. They don't need to attend a Mets game as as a condition of their parole.
The idea was to reduce the cost associated  
jcn56 : 11/7/2019 4:19 pm : link
with rewarding these people with tickets for making court appearances is less than the cost of enforcement of rounding up people who miss court appearances. At a glance, it's not a terrible idea.

Now, add the optics of giving rewards to people accused of committing a crime for making an appearance they're obligated by law to make, and the fact that the de Blasio administration could fuck up a winning lottery ticket and well, the Mets - and here we are.
RE: Can I get  
BillKo : 11/7/2019 4:22 pm : link
In comment 14668457 GMAN56 said:
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Giants or Yankee tickets for NOT going to jail?


Trust me, going to Jints games the last few years HAS BEEN JAIL.........
RE: I'm actually cool with this  
Vanzetti : 11/7/2019 5:02 pm : link
In comment 14668541 Knineteen said:
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so long as the city passes out 5 tickets to every law-abiding citizen. Surely, law abiding citizen should be rewarded as well, right?


Part 2 of the plan is to put law abiding citizens into jail.
RE: They aren't criminals,  
TommyWiseau : 11/7/2019 5:43 pm : link
In comment 14668250 Section331 said:
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they are defendants who could not afford bail. Without commenting on the merits of this plan, we can acknowledge that our bail system is overly punitive.


You do realize most people who get bail in NYC are not first, second or third time offenders? These are people who have been arrested 30+ times.

As someone who works in law enforcement and has for the last 18 years, the city is in real bad shape. The NYPD brass can only cook the numbers for so long. The politicians and NYPD brass keep lamenting that crime is down, when in reality crime is up.. Way up. Homelessness is on the rise, the mentally ill are at ever bus stop and train station.

My daughter the other day was coming home from having lunch in Manhattan. While she was waiting for the train a homeless person asked her for money. When she responded with "I don't have any" the person swung his cane at her striking her in the leg. Unfortunately this is all to common now a days. I for one will not be taking my family into NYC anymore, I do not see it as a safe place and come January 1st, it will be even less safe then it is now.
News flash  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 11/7/2019 8:29 pm : link
It costs money to keep people in jail
What happens January 1st  
DC Gmen Fan : 11/7/2019 10:05 pm : link
?
RE: RE: They aren't criminals,  
BillKo : 11/7/2019 10:30 pm : link
In comment 14668621 TommyWiseau said:
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they are defendants who could not afford bail. Without commenting on the merits of this plan, we can acknowledge that our bail system is overly punitive.



The politicians and NYPD brass keep lamenting that crime is down, when in reality crime is up.. Way up.


Not being douchy, but do you have stats to back that up? I'm curious because it's tough getting a read on what's true.
RE: RE: RE: They aren't criminals,  
jcn56 : 11/8/2019 12:58 am : link
In comment 14668825 BillKo said:
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In comment 14668250 Section331 said:


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they are defendants who could not afford bail. Without commenting on the merits of this plan, we can acknowledge that our bail system is overly punitive.



The politicians and NYPD brass keep lamenting that crime is down, when in reality crime is up.. Way up.



Not being douchy, but do you have stats to back that up? I'm curious because it's tough getting a read on what's true.


What Tommy says is difficult to prove statistically because the stats do tell a different story.

Anecdotally though if you speak to enough people working in law enforcement and on community boards, crime is certainly on the uptick. Precincts have been reluctant to chase down some of the pettier crimes to avoid the hit to their numbers. Here in south Brooklyn, there has been a rise in the stats on attempted burglaries and car thefts, and if you speak to anyone on a community board the number of complaints is actually much higher but the police simply don't pursue a lot of them (you'll call and they won't turn up to take a report).

Hard to say how directly it correlates to any of the moves being made to reduce the number of NYers in jail versus the overall economy and other factors, though. Anyone I know in LE seems to be convinced that there is going to be a significant rise once the new policies take effect and the finger pointing is going to delay anything being done to offset the increase.
A home crowd full  
Pete in MD : 11/8/2019 7:00 am : link
of criminals? What is this Philadelphia? ;-)
RE: What happens January 1st  
TommyWiseau : 11/8/2019 9:54 am : link
In comment 14668811 DC Gmen Fan said:
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The new Bail Reform laws and expansion of the desk appearance ticket (DAT) program will take effect. Rather then have someone go see a judge within 24 hours a DAT can be issued from the station house if one qualifies for it (no warrants etc). The person is released from the station house (within an hour or two of an arrest) with a court date that they are supposed to show up for. A DAT is for low level offenses (Suspended License, Petit Larceny etc) but the new expansion of the program will allow for many violent crimes to be eligible for Desk Appearance Tickets. So rather then keep a person in jail for the night (which gives a Judge enough time to issue an order of protection) who had just attacked and beat up his roommate, he will be released within an hour or two only to go back to his apartment... You can use your imagination as to what happens when he gets back to his apartment and see's his or her's roommate.
RE: RE: What happens January 1st  
figgy2989 : 11/8/2019 10:01 am : link
In comment 14669062 TommyWiseau said:
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So rather then keep a person in jail for the night (which gives a Judge enough time to issue an order of protection) who had just attacked and beat up his roommate, he will be released within an hour or two only to go back to his apartment...


Hey let's give these guys free movie tickets, gift cards or tickets to a ball game. Not only should that sway them from committing further heinous crimes, but will definitely give them incentive to show up to a future court date.

RE: RE: RE: They aren't criminals,  
TommyWiseau : 11/8/2019 10:02 am : link
In comment 14668825 BillKo said:
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In comment 14668250 Section331 said:


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they are defendants who could not afford bail. Without commenting on the merits of this plan, we can acknowledge that our bail system is overly punitive.



The politicians and NYPD brass keep lamenting that crime is down, when in reality crime is up.. Way up.



Not being douchy, but do you have stats to back that up? I'm curious because it's tough getting a read on what's true.


To put it this way, there is one stat you cannot change. That is homicides and shootings. Homicides are up nearly 3% from 2018 and shootings are up almost 5% from 2018. They are what they are, you can't hide them. Every other crime (felony assaults, grand larceny, robbery) is free game for the powers that be to manipulate/downgrade them to be whatever category of crime it is that they want. It is a balancing act to give an illusion that crime is down. This is the reason for the modern day compstat.
Cash bail eliminated for most misdemeanors and non-violent E felonies  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 11/8/2019 10:10 am : link

Misdemeanors

Money bail is eliminated with only two exceptions: sex offense misdemeanors and criminal contempt charges for an order of protection violation in a domestic violence case. Also, straightpretrial detention (“remand”) is eliminated in all misdemeanor cases.


Nonviolent Felonies

Both money bail and pretrial detention are eliminated in virtually all nonviolent felonies, with a limited
number of exceptions: witness intimidation or tampering, conspiracy to commit murder, felony criminal contempt charges involving domestic violence, and a limited number of offenses against children, sex offenses, and terrorism-related charges.




RE: Wouldn't these be  
section125 : 11/8/2019 1:40 pm : link
In comment 14668184 bradshaw44 said:
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Not "Accused" criminals?


No, it is for people who cannot afford bail and therefore are stuck in jail until their trial, if I understand it. I can understand trying to get low level accused from remaining in jail for 6 months or more for non-violent charges.

But it does seem unwarranted to give them gifts to show up for their hearings. It would seem that allowing them out without bail is a present in and of itself. But I can understand it.
I used to Support stuff like this  
Vanzetti : 11/11/2019 12:19 am : link
Then my elderly mom got robbed of a good part of her retirement savings by a woman she took in after she lost her apartment.

The woman got diversion instead of jail time. Diversion is complete joke. If you do drugs you just call up and say your sick and they reschedule your drug test. I kid you not.

My uncle suffered a home invasion in which he opened the door and was hit in the face with a baseball bat. He is in his 60s and was severely beaten. All the perps walked

So basically people who live in a bubble support this stuff
Or people who think criminals are mistreated because of their identity
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