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Hypothetical: The Giants name you the next head coach.

Beezer : 11/7/2019 3:38 pm
(Some of you will have jokes ... feel free.)

But ...

A lot of us have probably thought about that "what if" day a time or two - when the Giants (or your favorite team in other sports) decide that, you know what, it might be worth the gamble, it couldn't get much worse, so as a PR move "for the fans," the Giants hire YOU (from a crazily huge pool of candidates) as the next head coach.

Assuming you've been introduced to the media, and all the other preliminary things are under your belt (paperwork, intros to the staff, players, etc.), it's 6 a.m. that first day and you've parked your car and you're headed in.

What the hell do you do that first day? What's your to-do list look like?

A couple ground rules:
* Ownership is the same.
* Gettleman is still the GM, but he's on board with your hire and wants to follow your lead because, frankly, things need to be shaken up around this place.
* It's late February - a few weeks after the NFL has folded up for this season.

I haven't thought it al the way through. Would take a bit, and plenty of notebook space ... but I see an early-morning meeting with the assistants/coordinators as the first move on my Day 1, and go from there.

Fantasy, of course. But whattaya got? How do you fix this shit?
Draft 3 to 5 future HOF players in the draft  
90.Cal : 11/7/2019 3:50 pm : link
Sign another 3 to 5 all pro players. Fire Shurmur, Shula and Bettcher and replace them with Tomlin, Cutcliffe and Rex Ryan. Boom.
If DG is following my lead  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/7/2019 3:51 pm : link
I'd start with canning Abrams and bringing in someone who doesn't use the same boilerplate contract structure and bonus language for every single FA contract the team issues.

Then I'd separate cap management from analytics and form an analytics department that isn't run by the same guy who manages the cap - the valuations team and the negotiations team will both work better at arms length from each other. Can't allow pride of authorship to interfere with either of these key functions.

I'd love to kick Chris Mara to the curb as part of this, but I'm not trying to collect the buyout on day one.
probably  
crackerjack465 : 11/7/2019 3:55 pm : link
panic because I'm about to injure 53 players with bad playcalling and get booed at by 90,000, drunk, screaming New Yorkers after spending 23 hours a day watching film and not truly knowing whats going on despite what I read on BBI...

I would never want to win this contest.

But I guess I'd give barkley more carries
If I get an INT on the first play of the game  
cjac : 11/7/2019 3:57 pm : link
and i'm on the 8 yard line.

I roll out my mobile QB to create an opportunity at least once in my 3 downs.


I also hire a DC who knows what he's doing.

Oh and I talk a lot about protecting the Duke
Find that black cat  
gapofstrahan : 11/7/2019 4:00 pm : link
and sign it to a five year contract.
I think this exercise is a little bit harder as the hypothetical HC  
Chris684 : 11/7/2019 4:01 pm : link
considering how involved and specific schemes can be and since we don't know what other HCs will be canned, we don't yet know the crop of coordinators who might be available.

I can tell you I would gut this staff with the exception of McGaughey.

I would not run a draw on 3rd and 18 just to turn around and go for it on 4th and 15.

I would not punt the ball to Tom Brady on 4th and 2 late in the game when I need two scores.

I would probably stop deferring the winning coin toss after weeks of my defense giving up first possession/first quarter points.

If my OL still sucked I would be constantly moving the pocket with a QB like Jones who is both mobile and has a great arm.

I would treat 2nd half timeouts like gold.

I would stop challenging specific types of calls if the league trends tell me I have no chance of winning them, as right as I might be.

First play  
V.I.G. : 11/7/2019 4:01 pm : link
Flea Flicker
I'd do the smart thing  
montanagiant : 11/7/2019 4:03 pm : link
And fire me the same day I got hired
RE: I think this exercise is a little bit harder as the hypothetical HC  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/7/2019 4:03 pm : link
In comment 14668531 Chris684 said:
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considering how involved and specific schemes can be and since we don't know what other HCs will be canned, we don't yet know the crop of coordinators who might be available.

What do other fired HCs have to do with available coordinators other than to say that some of them will become HCs themselves?

Firing the HC does not release assistants who are under contract to become assistants elsewhere. This is basic stuff.
RE: Draft 3 to 5 future HOF players in the draft  
Beezer : 11/7/2019 4:04 pm : link
In comment 14668519 90.Cal said:
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Sign another 3 to 5 all pro players. Fire Shurmur, Shula and Bettcher and replace them with Tomlin, Cutcliffe and Rex Ryan. Boom.


Dude. You're the new head coach.
hire an OC that believes in the QB under center...  
BillKo : 11/7/2019 4:08 pm : link
...for starters. Make play action a huge part of the offense.

Hire someone whose sole responsibility is time management at the end of halves. Only want to hear from him in my headset with less than 5 minutes to go in either half.




RE: RE: I think this exercise is a little bit harder as the hypothetical HC  
Chris684 : 11/7/2019 4:11 pm : link
In comment 14668534 Gatorade Dunk said:
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considering how involved and specific schemes can be and since we don't know what other HCs will be canned, we don't yet know the crop of coordinators who might be available.



What do other fired HCs have to do with available coordinators other than to say that some of them will become HCs themselves?

Firing the HC does not release assistants who are under contract to become assistants elsewhere. This is basic stuff.


Fired head coach = New head coach = new staff = available coordinators and assistants
RE: hire an OC that believes in the QB under center...  
BillKo : 11/7/2019 4:12 pm : link
In comment 14668540 BillKo said:
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...for starters. Make play action a huge part of the offense.

Hire someone whose sole responsibility is time management at the end of halves. Only want to hear from him in my headset with less than 5 minutes to go in either half.


Also take my best player, or best leader, and send only him out for the coin flip.

Hire energy type assistants who demand 100% all the time, but also are classroom oriented.
I would  
Gman11 : 11/7/2019 4:24 pm : link
hand in my resignation. I'm getting too old for this shit.
Clean out the front office  
Go Terps : 11/7/2019 4:26 pm : link
Replace the existing Politburo structure with a top down structure where there is only one agenda and one timeline - we all done or swim together in the same effort.
*sink  
Go Terps : 11/7/2019 4:26 pm : link
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RE: Clean out the front office  
Beezer : 11/7/2019 4:28 pm : link
In comment 14668559 Go Terps said:
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Replace the existing Politburo structure with a top down structure where there is only one agenda and one timeline - we all done or swim together in the same effort.


In other words, Belichick'd.
Marshall Newhouse is the Patriots LT.  
x meadowlander : 11/7/2019 4:29 pm : link
Therefore all O-line coaches are fired. New offensive coordinator.

Strength and Conditioning must improve.

Trade Engram.

Draft a linebacker in the first round to make BBI instantly fall in love with me.

Shop Barkley for Herschel Walker type deal.

Focus on O-Line and for the love of God, defense.

Oh, and get rid of the crappy road whites. Back to 80's style white jerseys.

Lastly, only halftime show allowed is the Hawthorne Caballero's Marching Band.
RE: RE: RE: I think this exercise is a little bit harder as the hypothetical HC  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/7/2019 4:36 pm : link
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considering how involved and specific schemes can be and since we don't know what other HCs will be canned, we don't yet know the crop of coordinators who might be available.



What do other fired HCs have to do with available coordinators other than to say that some of them will become HCs themselves?

Firing the HC does not release assistants who are under contract to become assistants elsewhere. This is basic stuff.



Fired head coach = New head coach = new staff = available coordinators and assistants

You're missing an important step - the new HC has to decide not to keep the existing coordinators or assistants. If they're good enough that you want them, aren't they good enough that that team's new HC wants them too? And even if that team's new HC doesn't want them, their GM can hold them hostage if he so desires, in pursuit of compensation. The NFL rules only provide an out for assistant coaches under contract to pursue a HC opportunity.

Wanna dig your heels in further instead of admitting that you didn't know the rules?
Obviously look over the roster, if you are a vet and not playing like  
Rudy5757 : 11/7/2019 4:40 pm : link
a vet they would be traded or released. I would rather have a young guy with great effort than a vet who just cant play anymore. Keep only 2 QBs. 3 QBs doesnt help the team and if we have to use the 3rd one we are fucked. the 3rd QB can be a practice squad guy.

I think a lot of the NFL teams give playing time instead of earning playing time. The OL, if a player is getting beaten like a drum try the next guy. I wouldnt embarrass the player but they also have to know that the job is earned and not given. I would have tried Slade and Gates at the tackle position and Pully at center sooner rather than later. Continuity is one thing, sometimes one guy can make a difference or at least the guys will know that they better play or get replaced.

Baker and Bethea would be on that list as well. baker never earned his spot and I think Ballentine would have been a better option to start the season. Love would have been sighted on the field.

the O would be designed around Barkley with the idea that he would be getting minimum of 25 touches, most of them out in space. he would be lined all over the field. Engram would be a WR, he is a one dimensional TE, he can be a very good WR imo probably our #1 WR spot solved. getting a TE is easier. Hes not getting it done as a TE and I would either use a tackle or one of the other TEs to get the plays blocked. RBs would chip the ends to help the tackles.

Creativity on D. pass rush is not getting it done but Ogletree has had some success blitzing. I think that could be a good role for him.

First thing on Day 1?  
Diver_Down : 11/7/2019 4:50 pm : link
Line them up for haircuts. Hair will not protrude from the helmet. Players want to bitch and demand a trade? Tough shit. It is a safety issue. A properly fitted helmet will protect the player better than an a poor fit due to dreadlocks.

Remove the individual element and reinforce that they are all players on a team. Remove the nameplates. They are just a number. Refer to them as such. #8, #26, #99, etc.

Implement a fine structure that would make Coughlin envious.
RE: First thing on Day 1?  
AndyMilligan : 11/7/2019 4:58 pm : link
In comment 14668586 Diver_Down said:
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Line them up for haircuts. Hair will not protrude from the helmet. Players want to bitch and demand a trade? Tough shit. It is a safety issue. A properly fitted helmet will protect the player better than an a poor fit due to dreadlocks.

Remove the individual element and reinforce that they are all players on a team. Remove the nameplates. They are just a number. Refer to them as such. #8, #26, #99, etc.

Implement a fine structure that would make Coughlin envious.


yea that will do the trick. treat the players like it's the army. Does that shit ever work? Or is it something you think will be good because you are afraid of the world and want to insist on uniformity. No good teams are doing this - just bad teams. We need coaches that think outside the box. not more fascist NFL uniformity...
Hire Madea to crack heads on the sidelines  
Since1965 : 11/7/2019 5:14 pm : link
when a player can't remember a blocking scheme or a defensive responsibility.
Simple  
jvm52106 : 11/7/2019 5:21 pm : link
1) Get my staff together, and seek out Bill Parcells for council on this.
2) Quality control guy hired immediately. I want a guy who knows the time outs, the challenge abilities, player sub issues at a moment notice. A guy who Ray Handley was for Bill P!
3) I immediatley explore trading EE to a team that uses move TE's and H-Backs more than us and look to rebuild in the draft.

4) I get David Cutcliff on the phone and see what he suggest for Jones's development and I look to hire a recently former QB- Alex Smith maybe as QB coach and development OC down the road (ala Kellen Moore)

5) I scour the FA list to be ready with guys who are suited to play standard 3-4 alignment.

6) I get Ogletree, Jenkins, Solder etc. ready to be cut.. Though Solder can stay if he restructures and moves to RT.

7) I get Slayton to an eye doctor (how do passes not get tracked - Detroit, INT against Cowboys or go right between your hands and hit you in the shoulder, without a vision problem.

8) I sit down with Barkley and tell him be prepared for 25-30 touches a game, some times more, ala CM in Carolina.

9)I thank Eli for years of service and tell him I wish him the best. I would prefer he retires a Giant but understand if he wants to try and latch on somewhere else.

10) I offer BB's kid the Def Co- asst HC job.

11) I get with scouts and DG and decide how to best combine FA effort with our draft outlook and amke it clear I want 1 OT in RDs 1 and 2 and a Center by end of RD 4.

12) I make sure all (press, fans, players, staff, GM and ownership) know that the BS of the last 5 to 7 years is done. We will be a physical team with speed and we will be Disciplined. Nobody is guaranteed a spot if their effort is not there and their results are not matching the spot.
12b) With that I will make sure everyone knows that no position is single (minus K and P) and you may be asked to contribute in places and roles like never before. A LB is a LB but could play Dline, could be a blocking FB in right situations and could be a TE. Same with Ol and TE could be played out wide. I want game versatility and our schemes will be designed for an end result and those schemes will be fluid (ala NE).

13) Jones will learn to hold the ball and not fumble and I want him getting rid of the ball with a timed rhythm. No need to take hits and hold the ball.

14) I want an open competition for Punter with at least 1 punter being left footed.

15) A two way TE is a MUST. I want to be able to run or pass with the TE on the line and not worry that I am basically playing 10 guys if my TE is a horrible blocker..

That would be a good start.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I think this exercise is a little bit harder as the hypothetical HC  
GiantGiantsFan : 11/7/2019 5:23 pm : link
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considering how involved and specific schemes can be and since we don't know what other HCs will be canned, we don't yet know the crop of coordinators who might be available.



What do other fired HCs have to do with available coordinators other than to say that some of them will become HCs themselves?

Firing the HC does not release assistants who are under contract to become assistants elsewhere. This is basic stuff.



Fired head coach = New head coach = new staff = available coordinators and assistants


You're missing an important step - the new HC has to decide not to keep the existing coordinators or assistants. If they're good enough that you want them, aren't they good enough that that team's new HC wants them too? And even if that team's new HC doesn't want them, their GM can hold them hostage if he so desires, in pursuit of compensation. The NFL rules only provide an out for assistant coaches under contract to pursue a HC opportunity.

Wanna dig your heels in further instead of admitting that you didn't know the rules?


I think the original commenter meant that he doesn't know who he would hire as OC/DC because he doesnt know which head coaches will be fired from other teams. Seems obvious enough to me, but then again I'm not a football encyclopedia.
I'd hire 2 great coordinators  
Metnut : 11/7/2019 5:26 pm : link
who could make me look good.
Steve Belichick...  
nzyme : 11/7/2019 5:29 pm : link
No way Bill will let his son fail and will constantly be giving him advice. We essentially get Bill as HC by proxy :)
Step 1. Sumos on the goal line  
Davisian : 11/7/2019 5:34 pm : link
Step 2. Schedule all night games so there's no wind

Step 3. Profit


If it were me...  
GiantGiantsFan : 11/7/2019 5:38 pm : link
1. Make Daniel Jones do wrist curls and reverse curls to improve his grip strength.

2. Give Saquon Barkley the ball in space instead of running him up the middle. Also, do some more pitches instead of direct handoffs.

3. Ditch the 2-4-5 in favor of a 3-4-4 or 3-3-5.

4. Pray and hope for the best with fingers crossed.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I think this exercise is a little bit harder as the hypothetical HC  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/7/2019 5:43 pm : link
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considering how involved and specific schemes can be and since we don't know what other HCs will be canned, we don't yet know the crop of coordinators who might be available.



What do other fired HCs have to do with available coordinators other than to say that some of them will become HCs themselves?

Firing the HC does not release assistants who are under contract to become assistants elsewhere. This is basic stuff.



Fired head coach = New head coach = new staff = available coordinators and assistants


You're missing an important step - the new HC has to decide not to keep the existing coordinators or assistants. If they're good enough that you want them, aren't they good enough that that team's new HC wants them too? And even if that team's new HC doesn't want them, their GM can hold them hostage if he so desires, in pursuit of compensation. The NFL rules only provide an out for assistant coaches under contract to pursue a HC opportunity.

Wanna dig your heels in further instead of admitting that you didn't know the rules?



I think the original commenter meant that he doesn't know who he would hire as OC/DC because he doesnt know which head coaches will be fired from other teams. Seems obvious enough to me, but then again I'm not a football encyclopedia.

That would only apply to hiring those fired HCs as coordinators, which he basically showed was not his intended message with his follow up. He very clearly thought that assistants of fired HCs were fair game to poach for other assistant positions. I guarantee we were one more back and forth away from having to explain that coordinator is not considered a promotion from position coach according too NFL rules, too.
RE: Step 1. Sumos on the goal line  
Diver_Down : 11/7/2019 5:44 pm : link
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Step 2. Schedule all night games so there's no wind

Step 3. Profit



Step 4. Get some spank mags for Danny to improve his grip strength.
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Chris684 : 11/7/2019 6:46 pm : link
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considering how involved and specific schemes can be and since we don't know what other HCs will be canned, we don't yet know the crop of coordinators who might be available.



What do other fired HCs have to do with available coordinators other than to say that some of them will become HCs themselves?

Firing the HC does not release assistants who are under contract to become assistants elsewhere. This is basic stuff.



Fired head coach = New head coach = new staff = available coordinators and assistants


You're missing an important step - the new HC has to decide not to keep the existing coordinators or assistants. If they're good enough that you want them, aren't they good enough that that team's new HC wants them too? And even if that team's new HC doesn't want them, their GM can hold them hostage if he so desires, in pursuit of compensation. The NFL rules only provide an out for assistant coaches under contract to pursue a HC opportunity.

Wanna dig your heels in further instead of admitting that you didn't know the rules?



I think the original commenter meant that he doesn't know who he would hire as OC/DC because he doesnt know which head coaches will be fired from other teams. Seems obvious enough to me, but then again I'm not a football encyclopedia.


That would only apply to hiring those fired HCs as coordinators, which he basically showed was not his intended message with his follow up. He very clearly thought that assistants of fired HCs were fair game to poach for other assistant positions. I guarantee we were one more back and forth away from having to explain that coordinator is not considered a promotion from position coach according too NFL rules, too.


Actually I know that already. Not sure what your attitude is about it keep flexing your muscles!


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RE: If DG is following my lead  
Scuzzlebutt : 11/7/2019 10:33 pm : link
In comment 14668520 Gatorade Dunk said:
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I'd start with canning Abrams and bringing in someone who doesn't use the same boilerplate contract structure and bonus language for every single FA contract the team issues.

Then I'd separate cap management from analytics and form an analytics department that isn't run by the same guy who manages the cap - the valuations team and the negotiations team will both work better at arms length from each other. Can't allow pride of authorship to interfere with either of these key functions.

I'd love to kick Chris Mara to the curb as part of this, but I'm not trying to collect the buyout on day one.


What contract structure are you referring to? What would you do differently?
I would turn the music back on  
Jimmy Googs : 11/7/2019 10:58 pm : link
during practices but turn it off within the front offices...
RE: RE: If DG is following my lead  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/8/2019 8:34 am : link
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I'd start with canning Abrams and bringing in someone who doesn't use the same boilerplate contract structure and bonus language for every single FA contract the team issues.

Then I'd separate cap management from analytics and form an analytics department that isn't run by the same guy who manages the cap - the valuations team and the negotiations team will both work better at arms length from each other. Can't allow pride of authorship to interfere with either of these key functions.

I'd love to kick Chris Mara to the curb as part of this, but I'm not trying to collect the buyout on day one.



What contract structure are you referring to? What would you do differently?

I'm referring to Abrams' over-reliance on things like roster bonuses and workout bonuses, including for players with no leverage. Someone like Alex Tanney, whether you subscribe to his value "in the room" or not, would have cost the team dead money to cut even before the season started. That's wasteful and unnecessary.

For some players, like an OBJ, the workout bonus is a worthwhile incentive to include because either it gets the player to come to OTAs, or you can recover some cap space. But Alex Tanney? If he's the mentor that he's supposed to be to justify his roster spot in the first place, he shouldn't need bonus incentive (at the risk of dead money) to come to every single team activity.

And if you're completely set on giving the guy a roster bonus, then don't also give him a signing bonus on top of that (minimal as it may be, I'm talking strictly about the structure and systemic practice of doing this) to also create a dead money liability in the following year as well.

I'm not even asking for Abrams to be innovative, though that would be nice. I just want him to not create a disadvantage anymore.
I'd fire bettcher  
Torrag : 11/8/2019 11:26 am : link
I have no clue what defense he's running and neither do his players.
Demand a $10MM per year contract...  
BMac : 11/8/2019 1:25 pm : link
...lead the team to an 0-16 season, retire.
What BMac said. But I would  
Bubba : 11/8/2019 2:04 pm : link
sign a 10 year deal for $10mil per first. I could learn to live with the shame of the 0-16 season.
RE: What BMac said. But I would  
Jimmy Googs : 11/8/2019 2:27 pm : link
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sign a 10 year deal for $10mil per first. I could learn to live with the shame of the 0-16 season.


It wouldn't be far from what we have now anyway...
I lobby ownership to fire Gettleman and hire a new GM  
Mike from SI : 11/8/2019 2:31 pm : link
and once they hire someone competent I tell the new GM to fire me because I don't know what I'm doing and want that good severance.

(Something like this would maximize the future of the Giants and one's own financial position, and should be everyone's real answer.)

If forced to stay in the position I know a few guys who coach in the league and/or college FB and would just hire them to actually run everything and I'd just be in charge of shit like clock management during games.
Have meeting with team & staff  
Thegratefulhead : 11/8/2019 3:51 pm : link
All together, fucking super early.

My way or GTFO. 3 ways to do things here.

My way
My way
and
My way

First person who looks disinterested or is smirking, gets fired on the spot.

message of speech.

No one should feel safe. Looking for warriors to get on this train with me, you ain't ...GET THE FUCK OUT!

I would spend the day meeting one on one with players and find out who "my guys" are.
Id grow a mustache.  
cosmicj : 11/8/2019 9:06 pm : link
A really bushy mustache.
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