Yesterday in a few seperate threads there was some debate over Pat Shurmurs handling of things with the team publicly/privately and when this should have started
Some defended Shurmur by saying you cant call out players publicly and some were saying Shurmur needed to do so a long time ago
So I found this article on Bill Belichicks first year as Pats HC. Not the "genuis" BB of today but the fired, 36-44 former HC of Browns taking over the historically losing Pats.
Highlights of article:
One of the first items Bill Belichick crossed off his to-do list after taking over as head coach of the New England Patriots was calling his team fat.
A coach as experienced as Belichick knows there are three things that get under a professional player's skin: cutting his salary, questioning his heart or calling him waistline-challenged.
His harsh words were followed by swift action. Belichick recently cut the backup tackle Ed Ellis for failing his physical and banned four out-of-shape players, including quarterback John Friesz, from practice for a day.
And just in case players still did not get the message, they picked up the newspaper the next day and read these blistering words from their new leader:
'We've got too many people who are overweight, too many guys who are out of shape, and too many guys who just haven't paid the price they need to pay at this time of the season. You can't win with 40 good players while the other team has 53.''
''I've been with some very successful franchises,'' he said. '' And not just X's and O's, with everything, including conditioning. So I am trying to do here what we did with those franchises. I'm telling the players, 'This works. It's proven. So let's follow it.' ''
And how did players respond:
Soon to be Super Bowl Champion defensive back Lawyer Milloy said. ''And we needed a chewing out. I respect a coach who can walk up to you and say, 'You're not cutting it.' ''
Food for thought.
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There has to be some reasonable level of competency for a coach that you can establish where you're not asking too much in a comparison.
The problem right now is this guy would need a complete career rebirth to make it up to Rich Kotite's level.
Guy s fighting to turn their season around, gets tough, as some were suggesting he do, what s the reaction...........too late.
Guy is obviously a very competitive person, or he wouldy be where he is. Fights back against a question suggesting he might not be up to this challenge by saying, “I was born for this”. ..... gets compared to MacAdoo.
Hard to defend 7-18, so I won’t, but I would love for this guy to stick it in the face of his critics by turning this thing around
There's a pretty wide gap in how Belichick is able to conduct himself and a guy with Shurmur's record. I do wish he's be more of a hardass but that will only get you so far. My biggest issues with him are scheme and clock management which is 100% on him.
There's a pretty wide gap in how Belichick is able to conduct himself and a guy with Shurmur's record. I do wish he's be more of a hardass but that will only get you so far. My biggest issues with him are scheme and clock management which is 100% on him.
Did you even read what I posted?
This was the FIRED, LOSING career record as HC Bill Belichick and what he did in his FIRST training camp taking over in NE.
Just a weird puff piece on normal coach stuff, IMO.
Isn't that the genius of winning coaches/managers in all sports?
Those days are over. The modern day coach is way more player friendly. I don't think even TC's style would play any more - he wanted to keep coaching - but he didn't get a job despite being a 2X SB winner.
The ping pong tables are gone, too. What else do you want!!
That s funny
There is nothing so misrepresented as Belichik's time with the Browns. He took over a team that had gone 3-13, went 6-10 the following year, went 7-9 the year after that and went 11-5 to make the playoffs. The following year, they were 4-5 when goofball Modell announced they were all moving to Baltimore whether they liked it or not. Then after promising Belichik he would be the coach in Baltimore, fired him after announcing they had moved (in the middle of the night mind you).
Juxtapose those type of personalities with that of people like Parcells and Coughlin. These are coaches will disagree with you if they think it's wrong and lay down the law with their players.
I just don't get that feeling with Shurmur and neither do most other fans which is why there is this feeling he's not the guy to move this franchise forward.
Give me a defensive coach who's not afraid to tell ownership when their wrong.
He was friends with my younger brother and used to come over our house and eat every shred of food we had.
I didn't remember these Belichick comments about him, but reading them made me smile remembering him sitting with a chair in front of our refrigerator.
Guy s fighting to turn their season around, gets tough, as some were suggesting he do, what s the reaction...........too late.
Guy is obviously a very competitive person, or he wouldy be where he is. Fights back against a question suggesting he might not be up to this challenge by saying, “I was born for this”. ..... gets compared to MacAdoo.
Hard to defend 7-18, so I won’t, but I would love for this guy to stick it in the face of his critics by turning this thing around
I'll never understand posters such as yourself but respect you and some others that are optimists without an attitude. With that said, why do you make it a point to give a hit what the media says? The media has people like you so psyched out.
Why "throwing it int he face of the media" is even 1% important to posters like you to me is just mind-boggling. It's all about the team performance. Why the fuck some of you give the media any thought of importance while the GMEN suck is just so freaking weird and silly.