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Longtimelurker : 11/8/2019 8:35 am
Multiple reports saying he took money from an agent.
Still a top 5 pick.
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That's  
Jon in NYC : 11/8/2019 8:37 am : link
a shame. Couldn't have happened to a cleaner more upstanding program.
RE: That's  
jvm52106 : 11/8/2019 8:39 am : link
In comment 14668943 Jon in NYC said:
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a shame. Couldn't have happened to a cleaner more upstanding program.


Keeps him healthy for the NFL!

Puts a dent in OSU's title run.
Would not factor this in at all at draft time  
Oscar : 11/8/2019 8:41 am : link
No issue getting paid in the NFL. And now he won’t get hurt either.
We want this guy to drop, no?  
jcn56 : 11/8/2019 8:44 am : link
I don't think the Giants will be bad enough for him to be within reach.

So yeah, if I were an NFL team I wouldn't touch this guy in the first 9 picks...
Hope he drops  
Giantimistic : 11/8/2019 8:55 am : link
Past all the college players that are taking money and not getting caught so the Giants can take him.
Why aren't agents  
section125 : 11/8/2019 9:03 am : link
arrested for this?

Yes, keeps him fresh for the draft..
RE: We want this guy to drop, no?  
Diver_Down : 11/8/2019 9:08 am : link
In comment 14668953 jcn56 said:
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I don't think the Giants will be bad enough for him to be within reach.

So yeah, if I were an NFL team I wouldn't touch this guy in the first 9 picks...


Wait. You think we are picking #10? That would imply that we are the best of the bottom third of the league. I think a more realistic take is that we hope some QB needy teams position themselves ahead of us so that we can take him at #4-6.
RE: RE: We want this guy to drop, no?  
Big Rick in FL : 11/8/2019 9:20 am : link
In comment 14668983 Diver_Down said:
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I don't think the Giants will be bad enough for him to be within reach.

So yeah, if I were an NFL team I wouldn't touch this guy in the first 9 picks...



Wait. You think we are picking #10? That would imply that we are the best of the bottom third of the league. I think a more realistic take is that we hope some QB needy teams position themselves ahead of us so that we can take him at #4-6.


We're at 6 right now. With the lowest SOS of any team in the top 15. Probably a better chance we pick top 4 than picking 10.
The Giants control their own destiny  
arniefez : 11/8/2019 9:22 am : link
If they can pull out a loss on Sunday they have a real shot at a top 3 pick. The IR parade will begin with a loss. It will probably take a loss to either Miami or Washington if not both too. But they can do it with this coaching staff.
The Giants control their own destiny  
arniefez : 11/8/2019 9:25 am : link
If they can pull out a loss on Sunday they have a real shot at a top 3 pick. The IR parade will begin with a loss. It will probably take a loss to either Miami or Washington if not both too. But they can do it with this coaching staff.
This is the biggest reason why  
lightemup : 11/8/2019 9:25 am : link
I hate the NCAA. They make these kids look like criminals or a bad person for doing something smart and hiring an agent. Why would he drop in the draft for this? You think GMs would care that he got representation when hes about to be a top 5 pick in the draft? He just violated another stupid rule set by the NCAA. This is like getting suspended for getting paid for autograph signings
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Diver_Down : 11/8/2019 9:27 am : link
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I don't think the Giants will be bad enough for him to be within reach.

So yeah, if I were an NFL team I wouldn't touch this guy in the first 9 picks...



Wait. You think we are picking #10? That would imply that we are the best of the bottom third of the league. I think a more realistic take is that we hope some QB needy teams position themselves ahead of us so that we can take him at #4-6.



We're at 6 right now. With the lowest SOS of any team in the top 15. Probably a better chance we pick top 4 than picking 10.


That 4-6 range is where I think the Giants end up. There is stiff competition to be one of the top 3 worst teams in the league. I know our Giants are up for the challenge so gave them the cushion of picking #4. But there is no way that we end up picking #10.
RE: RE: We want this guy to drop, no?  
jcn56 : 11/8/2019 9:27 am : link
In comment 14668983 Diver_Down said:
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I don't think the Giants will be bad enough for him to be within reach.

So yeah, if I were an NFL team I wouldn't touch this guy in the first 9 picks...



Wait. You think we are picking #10? That would imply that we are the best of the bottom third of the league. I think a more realistic take is that we hope some QB needy teams position themselves ahead of us so that we can take him at #4-6.


I'd bet good money they're top 4, but I'd like a little room if there's a good trade down opportunity or if there's more of a logjam on the shitshow highway than currently forecasted.
We need a  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/8/2019 9:28 am : link
playmaker like this. Badly.
RE: Why aren't agents  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/8/2019 9:30 am : link
In comment 14668975 section125 said:
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arrested for this?

Yes, keeps him fresh for the draft..


You want people to go to jail for getting paid for their services? Like we don't have enough people in jail as it is. Just because the NCAA has asinine rules doesn't mean it should be illegal. And there is no way he drops, nobody gives a shit he took money from an agent.
RE: Why aren't agents  
Section331 : 11/8/2019 9:30 am : link
In comment 14668975 section125 said:
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arrested for this?

Yes, keeps him fresh for the draft..


Because it's against NCAA rules, but not against the law.
RE: The Giants control their own destiny  
BlueHurricane : 11/8/2019 9:30 am : link
In comment 14669009 arniefez said:
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If they can pull out a loss on Sunday they have a real shot at a top 3 pick. The IR parade will begin with a loss. It will probably take a loss to either Miami or Washington if not both too. But they can do it with this coaching staff.


Lets go Jets!!!

J-E-T-S JETS! JETS! JETS!
RE: RE: RE: We want this guy to drop, no?  
Diver_Down : 11/8/2019 9:32 am : link
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I don't think the Giants will be bad enough for him to be within reach.

So yeah, if I were an NFL team I wouldn't touch this guy in the first 9 picks...



Wait. You think we are picking #10? That would imply that we are the best of the bottom third of the league. I think a more realistic take is that we hope some QB needy teams position themselves ahead of us so that we can take him at #4-6.



I'd bet good money they're top 4, but I'd like a little room if there's a good trade down opportunity or if there's more of a logjam on the shitshow highway than currently forecasted.


There is little doubt that we face stiff competition for being the worst of the worst. I think 4 is our ceiling. I don't discount the possibility of a pileup on the shitshow highway. I can't see DG trading down. If we are in range for blue chip players, DG is taking one.
Interesting last paragraph...  
bw in dc : 11/8/2019 9:36 am : link
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”It should be noted that many sources cited are optimistic that Young will regain his eligibility before the year is up. That would lead many to believe that there is a gray area here, but with only four games remaining, there’s not a lot of time to sort it all out.”


This part sounds fairly bullish.

If I’m Young I shut it down, regardless. He’s going #1. Why risk injury at this point? Way too much at stake...


he might go #1 or he might not  
markky : 11/8/2019 9:48 am : link
depending on the thirst for QBs. there are some good ones coming out.

it's not crazy that we could be in position to get him. my bet is we miss him by 1 spot.
RE: he might go #1 or he might not  
BigBlueShock : 11/8/2019 9:59 am : link
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depending on the thirst for QBs. there are some good ones coming out.

it's not crazy that we could be in position to get him. my bet is we miss him by 1 spot.

Based on these new, enlightening “character concerns”, DG will pass on him anyways and take some random under the radar fullback that exhibits behavior much more aligned with the Giants way.
RE: RE: Why aren't agents  
section125 : 11/8/2019 10:06 am : link
In comment 14669025 Zeke's Alibi said:
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arrested for this?

Yes, keeps him fresh for the draft..



You want people to go to jail for getting paid for their services? Like we don't have enough people in jail as it is. Just because the NCAA has asinine rules doesn't mean it should be illegal. And there is no way he drops, nobody gives a shit he took money from an agent.


Hey Zeke - reading comprehension is important- the Agent and who said jail, he should be fined. They know it is not allowed(and IIRC and agent lost his license for doing this a few years back). It is tantamount to a bribe or quid pro quo...I'll give you cash if you remember me after the season.
Does not matter after this year, anyway.

I'm just pissed that agents keep tampering with kids they know they know they are not suppose to.
Good...maybe he drops into our lap.  
Blue21 : 11/8/2019 10:12 am : link
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This won't drop him a single spot  
AcesUp : 11/8/2019 10:13 am : link
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Why should the agent go to jail? He isn't doing anything illegal  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/8/2019 10:16 am : link
as far as I know. He is essentially loaning him money is the way I understand it.
You know how many people you would need to lock up  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/8/2019 10:17 am : link
under those standards? Shit congress wouldn't even exist.
Bad for College  
TommyWiseau : 11/8/2019 10:26 am : link
Football, probably good for Chase Young. He will not risk injury and keep his draft stock. I would love to add this kid to our team but we may be out of reach. I could see Washington pouncing on him.
Zero  
DanMetroMan : 11/8/2019 10:37 am : link
impact on his draft stock. He's going 1st overall to any team who is set at QB.
RE: Why should the agent go to jail? He isn't doing anything illegal  
Mad Mike : 11/8/2019 10:37 am : link
In comment 14669114 Zeke's Alibi said:
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as far as I know. He is essentially loaning him money is the way I understand it.

Actually, he very well may be doing something illegal. In many states (no idea about Ohio specifically), it is illegal for agents to pay players to sign with them. I don't know if this is the instance section was referring to, but a few years ago an agent pled guilty to having paid some UNC football players (including our old friend Marvin Austin) to sign with him. It was "athlete-agent inducement", which violates NC law. (Regarding jail specifically, he didn't serve any time, but he was given a suspended sentence).
Good now he won't get hurt...  
Torrag : 11/8/2019 11:24 am : link
he's one of my top 3 targets for this Draft right now, but it's still early. Have to do the character work and watch every scrap of interview film I can find.
RE: This won't drop him a single spot  
bw in dc : 11/8/2019 11:26 am : link
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And it shouldn't. He's going #1 right now because he's the best player in the draft at a premium position.
RE: The Giants control their own destiny  
Gruber : 11/8/2019 11:34 am : link
In comment 14669012 arniefez said:
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If they can pull out a loss on Sunday they have a real shot at a top 3 pick. The IR parade will begin with a loss. It will probably take a loss to either Miami or Washington if not both too. But they can do it with this coaching staff.


I was going to say losing to Miami would take some doing, but the Jets just managed it.
Unfortunately, I don't think the Giants will be trying to tank, for the simple reason that Shurmur will be trying to hang on to his job.
And the NFL rejoices  
Anakim : 11/8/2019 12:10 pm : link
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RE: We want this guy to drop, no?  
Anakim : 11/8/2019 12:10 pm : link
In comment 14668953 jcn56 said:
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I don't think the Giants will be bad enough for him to be within reach.

So yeah, if I were an NFL team I wouldn't touch this guy in the first 9 picks...


He has Washington written all over him
RE: Why aren't agents  
Tom in NY : 11/8/2019 12:12 pm : link
In comment 14668975 section125 said:
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arrested for this?

Yes, keeps him fresh for the draft..


What law do you believe the agents are breaking that would require they be arrested? It's not good conduct by the agent, but I don't believe there is any state/federal law against giving players money.
RE: RE: Why aren't agents  
Mad Mike : 11/8/2019 12:14 pm : link
In comment 14669279 Tom in NY said:
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What law do you believe the agents are breaking that would require they be arrested? It's not good conduct by the agent, but I don't believe there is any state/federal law against giving players money.

There are many states with laws against it.
RE: RE: Why aren't agents  
montanagiant : 11/8/2019 12:19 pm : link
In comment 14669026 Section331 said:
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arrested for this?

Yes, keeps him fresh for the draft..



Because it's against NCAA rules, but not against the law.
For like two mins I thought you were answering your own question..lol
So agents can't pay players to sweeten the idea of signing with them  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/8/2019 12:21 pm : link
but congress can take money from lobbyists? Tremendous system we have. So you can buy influence in shit that actually affects countless amount of people for better or worse, but something that affects nobody is illegal. Makes sense.
RE: RE: We want this guy to drop, no?  
bw in dc : 11/8/2019 12:30 pm : link
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He has Washington written all over him


Which means we'd better have our to priority in the draft in getting the best T.
Were capable of losing out .  
Bluesbreaker : 11/8/2019 1:18 pm : link
Is that enough to get the 2nd pick ?
Miami going QB I damn sure don't want
the Skins getting Young that defense would be
over the top good !
Maryland Terps  
Pete in MD : 11/8/2019 1:24 pm : link
with the upset?

(Hey, it almost happened last year.)
This has to be the pick  
WillVAB : 11/8/2019 2:19 pm : link
If he’s there. The Giants need an elite pass rusher in the worst way and elite pass rushers simply don’t hit the market.
There is no chance in hell this guy drops because of this  
Leg of Theismann : 11/8/2019 2:34 pm : link
NO. CHANCE.

Every single NFL team is hoping this will make him drop to them. Which basically tells you he's most likely going either #1 or #2 overall (a la Bosa last year). Book it.
I bet we're going to just barely miss out  
Leg of Theismann : 11/8/2019 2:39 pm : link
on one of the elite talents at our main positions of need, simply because that would seem to be consistent with the history of this franchise (except for getting LT but that's when we were picking #2).

Everyone on here seems to want either Young or Thomas, so watch us pick #5 and it will go some order of Tua, Herbert, Young, Thomas, and then we'll get whoever is left (not saying it won't be a decent player of course but we NEED an elite OL and an elite pass rusher and one of those 2 dudes is the perfect fit, unfortunately it really does look like we're just not quite bad enough to get one of them (not trying to be negative it just really looks that way from where I'm sitting).
he can be the pick  
BigBlueCane : 11/8/2019 3:48 pm : link
but only if he brings OSU's Nutritionist with him.
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