NFT: 11/8 Knicks Chat: Porzingis admits he wanted traded

Kristaps Porzingis remained fully committed to remaining with the New York Knicks in the weeks prior to his trade to the Dallas Mavericks.

It is unclear what led him to alter the thinking of Porzingis and ask for a trade.

There’s something off with that guy. I don’t think he’ll end up being that consequential of a player but who knows. If I were guessing now I don’t think the Knicks gave up a ten year star, multi-time All NBA or All Star player. Time will tell.

In comment 14668961 DanMetroMan said:

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Kristaps Porzingis remained fully committed to remaining with the New York Knicks in the weeks prior to his trade to the Dallas Mavericks. It is unclear what led him to alter the thinking of Porzingis and ask for a trade.

Either the Knicks told him they were trading him or told him they were not going to offer full max..

or another team tried to recruit him..

Mavs will come to MSG on Thursday upcoming for a TNT game.

I don't really blame him. We stink and have terrible management. Why would you want to spend the prime of your career here, winning (maybe) 20 games?

mercilessly next Thursday.

Despite my being a fan, if my son were a dynamite player with lottery potential, I'd want the Knicks to stay far away from him. This is the worst organization in professional sports.

a bit of a diva and had every right to try and get out of NY. But the NBA CBA is specifically designed so that teams get to keep franchise players (or potential franchise players) on a second contract if they want them. Leave it to the Knicks to be the probably the first team to completely fuck up that built-in advantage and end up with a bunch of clowns on 1+1 deals to show for it.

and its why I never understood why people say "he should still be here" - clearly not. He didn't want to be here anymore and the Knicks got what they could before it got ugly. Sounds familiar...

he has all the control but he is going to be willing to have to sacrafice 1 less year of a max deal..

It was an epic fail that Mills could not get KP to buy in and then traded him for the purpose of landing KD.

My fiance is in TV and we were at a Sony event and I ran into Mark Cuban, this was before free agency and he told me the Knicks thought they were getting Durant and that is why they traded KP. I had complimented Cuban in being the latest to fleece the Knicks and he laughed and said they think they are getting KD.

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It was an epic fail that Mills could not get KP to buy in and then traded him for the purpose of landing KD. My fiance is in TV and we were at a Sony event and I ran into Mark Cuban, this was before free agency and he told me the Knicks thought they were getting Durant and that is why they traded KP. I had complimented Cuban in being the latest to fleece the Knicks and he laughed and said they think they are getting KD.

I don't know if the 2 scenarios are directly linked. They can think they are getting KD and also not want to deal with KP anymore. Cuban likes to talk too so much of that can just be him liking the sound of his voice.

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It was an epic fail that Mills could not get KP to buy in and then traded him for the purpose of landing KD. My fiance is in TV and we were at a Sony event and I ran into Mark Cuban, this was before free agency and he told me the Knicks thought they were getting Durant and that is why they traded KP. I had complimented Cuban in being the latest to fleece the Knicks and he laughed and said they think they are getting KD.

you framed that conversation differently when you first posted this

I can’t stand how the Knicks are run, and some of this is on them and their incompetence. But screw KP.
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The team is a laughingstock and that trade was as bad as the Isaiah trades of the past. When the team you root for is so brain dead that you’d take any BBIer as an alternate owner or GM, you know that you’re in trouble.

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Despite my being a fan, if my son were a dynamite player with lottery potential, I'd want the Knicks to stay far away from him. This is the worst organization in professional sports.

So it's the Knicks' fault he couldn't stay on the court for more than 57% of the games over a 4 year span? My problem is if you want to change the "culture", be available and help them change it on the court. A player can't do anything in his suit.

When a guy has an attitude and is never available, fuck him.

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In comment 14668981 Greg from LI said: Quote: Despite my being a fan, if my son were a dynamite player with lottery potential, I'd want the Knicks to stay far away from him. This is the worst organization in professional sports. So it's the Knicks' fault he couldn't stay on the court for more than 57% of the games over a 4 year span? My problem is if you want to change the "culture", be available and help them change it on the court. A player can't do anything in his suit. When a guy has an attitude and is never available, fuck him.

Melo was a bad influence on KP. He learned from Melo to expect that he should be treated like a superstar, when he hadn’t earned it yet.

acting like he's going to be here when the picks they got for KP are helping the Knicks lol

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a bit of a diva and had every right to try and get out of NY. But the NBA CBA is specifically designed so that teams get to keep franchise players (or potential franchise players) on a second contract if they want them. Leave it to the Knicks to be the probably the first team to completely fuck up that built-in advantage and end up with a bunch of clowns on 1+1 deals to show for it.

Is there any other recent comp for this situation? A young all star who forced his way out of the team who drafted him before his 2nd contract? It usually happens leading up to the 3rd contract where the player is UFA. Leave it to the Knicks to screw up a situation in a system designed to give the team all the power.

And while I'm sure KP wasn't some choir boy, the "dirt" Berman is reporting is pretty minor for an NBA star. I think it all boils down to a few factors.

- Porzingis was shopped around the league after his rookie season and until the end of his time with the Knicks. That's not how you build a trusting relationship with your star player. You think RJ Barett would like to hear he's being offered around the league? These guys are humans.
- KP had no trust in the Knicks front office- specifically Steve Mills.
- Steve Mills didn't want to offer the max to KP. He also thought he could get Durant and Irving and used KP to create the cap space.
- Dallas was in town and the Knicks had a trade they could sell to Dolan - especially with DSJ having a triple double that night. Don't discount that factor.

As for the Irving/ Durant angle. Either the Knicks had bad info that they were coming or those guys changed their minds once finding out more information ( maybe from Deandre Jordan who saw it firsthand after the trade). Or maybe they simply were flat out beat by Brooklyn. Either situation is an awful look for the Knicks.

They were wise to keep their mouths shut ever since - nobody wants to hear Steve Mills' bullshit anymore.

Not that I wish them on anyone, but KP, Irving, Durant and even Zion all have major durability question marks going forward.

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Not that I wish them on anyone, but KP, Irving, Durant and even Zion all have major durability question marks going forward.

But the many of the top NBA stars do as well.

Leonard, Davis, George, Curry, Klay, Durant, Embiid all have had major injuries. Just the nature of the game.

This guy's like Rasputin or something - has the favor of the Czar and uses it to ruin everything.

I used to beat that drum when Knicks fans would obsess over KP's durability concerns - basketball takes a brutal toll on these guys.

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This guy's like Rasputin or something - has the favor of the Czar and uses it to ruin everything.

no he wanted magic, and then magic suggested isiah

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This guy's like Rasputin or something - has the favor of the Czar and uses it to ruin everything.

Supposedly Zeke and Mills are not on good terms at all.

Mills takes a lot of cover from Jackson for some of those bad moves. But when he was solely in charge, he signed Hardaway to that contrat, signed Baker to two-years, $8.9M, including a player option and traded a 2nd round pick to hire Scott Perry. Those were his moves alone.

His record is 164-336 as GM or President. Never made the playoffs. He's presided over a team that has lost at least 50 games 5 seasons in a row.

In all of sports, is there any comparable with someone with a similar record being able to keep his job for so long?

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and gets them fired. Not sure who could possibly influence Dolan enough to fire Mills. Adam Silver? Don Henley? Mike Francesa? We need a hero to emerge.

When they struck out on the big FAs says much about people like Mills and the franchise itself. Has there been another instance ever in any sport where a franchise makes a public statement just because they didn't sign the top FA on the open market?

It was weird, cringe and reeked of lolKnicks.

If things keep going the way are, I wouldn't be surprised if Silver asks Dolan to make a change. Stern did it 10 years ago when he nudged Dolan to hire Walsh or Colangelo.

The Knicks being bad is really bad for the NBA. It costs them money and having a perennial laughingstock in Manhattan is a bad image for the league.

of being drug addicts in that July press release. Baby steps for Baby Dolan.

comparison. We need to drug him and shoot him before the Knicks can get out from his evil influences.

It’s funny we are sucking more now that we are not tanking, wonder how he’s going to spin this...

Something to the level of 'not enough to just hire someone, get the fuck out'. As long as he owns the team he's always going to have a stoolie somewhere mucking with the works.

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Something to the level of 'not enough to just hire someone, get the fuck out'. As long as he owns the team he's always going to have a stoolie somewhere mucking with the works.

So if they get rid of Dolan, they'll win the lottery next year?

ever reflects on the fact that every single Knicks fan in the world prays he sells the team. There would be a raucous celebration if it happened.

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In comment 14669257 jcn56 said: Quote: Something to the level of 'not enough to just hire someone, get the fuck out'. As long as he owns the team he's always going to have a stoolie somewhere mucking with the works. So if they get rid of Dolan, they'll win the lottery next year?

Any time they've rid themselves of Dolan they'll have won the lottery.

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of being drug addicts in that July press release. Baby steps for Baby Dolan.

Hehe

I’ve shared this before, but I have a friend who’s in “the know” in NBA circles...he used to work for an NBA front office, and has several friends among players and agents.

Way back when, he told me Lebron was signing with Miami 2 days before it happened. I called bullshit. Fucker turned out to be right.

Anyway, this time around he told me back in about February not to sleep on Brooklyn for KD and Kyrie. I asked why, he said Kyrie really wanted Brooklyn (as we know), but also because the negativity around the Knicks is a real thing that deters some players from wanting to come to MSG.

to players (media, notoriety, huge market) is now such a deterrent to players. The media absolutely kills the desire players may have to play in NY. And then they kill the team for not being able to sign those players. It aint the fans for the most part - the garden still sells out even with the team being an albatross. I'm sure that Dolan is a part of it but I don't think it's that big of a factor as some. Dolan is hardly the only moron owner out there. Him selling the team would help a little but not much IMO.

A couple of months ago I was at a luncheon where they had Plaxico come in and talk to the group in a Q&A situation. One of the things he mentioned was the huge adjustment around the media. In Pitt, there were like 7 or 8 media members they had to interact with after games. After coming to NY, it was 60 members of the media they had to address. He said it was insane and he wasn't a fan of it.

What makes no sense to me is why the knicks didn’t make a play for Angelo Russell or another PG (maybe Rubio). At some point they have to stop playing the cap space game and acquire good players and try to be a playoff caliber team.

With young guys like Knox, rj, Mitch, etc, a pg who can kind of tie it all together was a must. Instead they gave big one yr deals to bad players like portis and Gibson.

Russel, RJ, Knox, Randle, Mitch would have been a fun team to root for.

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to players (media, notoriety, huge market) is now such a deterrent to players. The media absolutely kills the desire players may have to play in NY. And then they kill the team for not being able to sign those players.

ITA. This was highly evident before last season even ended and free agency started. 99% of the Knicks/NY hating basketball media says, "You can't go there. They suck. You'll suck. Everything sucks." It creates such a negativity around the Knicks that a player would really need some big stones to take on the responsibility. IDC what he says now, but I truly believe KD was strongly considering being that guy until he got hurt.

aren't stars. But in hindsight, I probably would've thrown a lot of money at Malcolm Brogdon. THAT is the type of guy who should've gotten a Tim Hardaway Jr. unmatched contract.

I'm sure he wasn't on the Mills/Perry radar.

I agree though, a steady hand at PG would make the whole team better. We spent $75+ million over the summer and didn't secure one guy who'll be an integral part of the team in two years. Brogdon would've been a big help.

Scott Perry likes to wax poetic about his days in Detroit when that championship core was together, and all the lessons he learned about team building. Well, a guy like Brogdon would've fit right in on those Detroit teams. You'd think Perry would be all over him.

But as long as those decimal points and comma's are in the right spots,that's all there concerned with.If the place is filled with foreign exchange students on Christmas Day,so be it

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What makes no sense to me is why the knicks didn’t make a play for Angelo Russell or another PG (maybe Rubio). At some point they have to stop playing the cap space game and acquire good players and try to be a playoff caliber team. With young guys like Knox, rj, Mitch, etc, a pg who can kind of tie it all together was a must. Instead they gave big one yr deals to bad players like portis and Gibson. Russel, RJ, Knox, Randle, Mitch would have been a fun team to root for.

i was one of the people on here saying russell and randle, but once the warriors started to talk to the nets about sign and trade there was zero chance knicks could sign russell

they believed to much in dennis smith..

#Moron4Wiseman

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#Moron4Wiseman

We all know how this goes. We end up with LaMelo and it turns into a complete shit show.

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they believed to much in dennis smith..

I also think they believe too much in their name and arena. Hopefully this was a wake up call that having a great arena and fan base just doesn’t cut it with the current generation of players anymore.

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In comment 14669408 DanMetroMan said: Quote: #Moron4Wiseman We all know how this goes. We end up with LaMelo and it turns into a complete shit show.

I actually like what I've seen from LaMelo. Wiseman looks like a potential monster so he's "my guy" right now but LaMelo could be a nice player.

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In comment 14669394 nygiants16 said: Quote: they believed to much in dennis smith.. I also think they believe too much in their name and arena. Hopefully this was a wake up call that having a great arena and fan base just doesn’t cut it with the current generation of players anymore.

Wake up calls and Dolan don't mix.

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In comment 14669413 Strahan91 said: Quote: In comment 14669408 DanMetroMan said: Quote: #Moron4Wiseman We all know how this goes. We end up with LaMelo and it turns into a complete shit show. I actually like what I've seen from LaMelo. Wiseman looks like a potential monster so he's "my guy" right now but LaMelo could be a nice player.

Oh I like LaMelo the prospect too. But Dolan and Lavar would not be a good mix.

Not trying to be insensitive but that’s a lot of time off. He’s back with the team so maybe they don’t think he’s ready and it’s a team decision. But they desperately need to get something out of Smith.

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Not trying to be insensitive but that’s a lot of time off. He’s back with the team so maybe they don’t think he’s ready and it’s a team decision. But they desperately need to get something out of Smith.

I don't disagree but it's not like he was contributing before the absence. He clearly needed more practice time after coming back from the injury. Missing more practices since then likely doesn't bode well going forward.

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Not trying to be insensitive but that’s a lot of time off. He’s back with the team so maybe they don’t think he’s ready and it’s a team decision. But they desperately need to get something out of Smith.

They made it sound like he's still grieving. They didn't make him available to the media and it's not as if they have these hard hitting questions for him.

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In comment 14669465 TyreeHelmet said: Quote: Not trying to be insensitive but that’s a lot of time off. He’s back with the team so maybe they don’t think he’s ready and it’s a team decision. But they desperately need to get something out of Smith. They made it sound like he's still grieving. They didn't make him available to the media and it's not as if they have these hard hitting questions for him.

Again not trying to be disrespectful about someone losing a loved one- but doesn't 2 weeks seem long to mourn?

And I'm not saying start him and play him 40 mins tonight. But hes 21 years old and should be able to give some minutes even if he hasn't practiced. Especially when the Knicks are down to one healthy point guard...

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Not trying to be insensitive but that’s a lot of time off. He’s back with the team so maybe they don’t think he’s ready and it’s a team decision. But they desperately need to get something out of Smith.

probably want him to get a couple of practices in before throwing him back onto the court

Bucher is reported Curry is done for the year.I wonder if they look to trade Russell when hes eligible.

Would you want the Knicks to go after him? As long as no 1st round picks are involved, I think they should pursue it.

Randle and DSJ for Russell?

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Bucher is reported Curry is done for the year.I wonder if they look to trade Russell when hes eligible. Would you want the Knicks to go after him? As long as no 1st round picks are involved, I think they should pursue it. Randle and DSJ for Russell?

Why would the warriors do that?

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In comment 14669536 TyreeHelmet said: Quote: Bucher is reported Curry is done for the year.I wonder if they look to trade Russell when hes eligible. Would you want the Knicks to go after him? As long as no 1st round picks are involved, I think they should pursue it. Randle and DSJ for Russell? Why would the warriors do that?

They probably wouldn't and could get more for him. But there have been rumors ever since they signed him that they expect to trad him. I bet he gets moved and they go all in on the tank and reload for next season.

And I'm sure the basketball gods will reward them over the Knicks LOL

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In comment 14669544 Jon in NYC said: Quote: In comment 14669536 TyreeHelmet said: Quote: Bucher is reported Curry is done for the year.I wonder if they look to trade Russell when hes eligible. Would you want the Knicks to go after him? As long as no 1st round picks are involved, I think they should pursue it. Randle and DSJ for Russell? Why would the warriors do that? They probably wouldn't and could get more for him. But there have been rumors ever since they signed him that they expect to trad him. I bet he gets moved and they go all in on the tank and reload for next season.

oh yeah agree. i just dont think the Knicks are in a position to grab him. He'll go to a borderline competitor like Detroit or something

won't want expirings for Russell because they're over the cap anyway for the foreseeable future. If I'm them I want multiple quality players so I can round out the roster and build some depth. Maybe they have interest in some of the vets the Knicks signed but I doubt it.

and the Celtics bit. THe report says "treasure trove return" but no specifics other than Jaylon Brown was a piece. The speculation is that Ainge also put the #3 (was #1 before the Philly trade) on the table (article wasn't sure on the timing of the Celtics offer relative to the draft) which became Taytum, although apparently it would have been Markkanen if the pick went to the Knicks.

the story is that Jackson refused because of Dolan.

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and the Celtics bit. THe report says "treasure trove return" but no specifics other than Jaylon Brown was a piece. The speculation is that Ainge also put the #3 (was #1 before the Philly trade) on the table (article wasn't sure on the timing of the Celtics offer relative to the draft) which became Taytum, although apparently it would have been Markkanen if the pick went to the Knicks.

Knicks would of taken josh jackson and markannen at their pick that was the rumor..

also phil was getting killed for wanting to trade kp

you probably would have to put up a couple firsts and maybe the charlotte 2nd round picks with expirings because the knicks do not have that young prospect to trade..

you are not trading barrett or mitch, and i dont know how the warriors value knox..

for trying to spin Porzingis while his value was still sky high, but his desire to take Josh Jackson completely nullifies that. I could've lived with trading KP for Fox or Tatum, even at the time. Jackson did not have much upside offensively to warrant that type of move.

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for trying to spin Porzingis while his value was still sky high, but his desire to take Josh Jackson completely nullifies that. I could've lived with trading KP for Fox or Tatum, even at the time. Jackson did not have much upside offensively to warrant that type of move.

yup i was completely fine trading kp for a haul at the time

It really seems like Boston and Ainge wanted KP badly. They definitely could have put together a better package than Dallas.

I just wish they focused on receiving the maximum return for KP when they decided to trade him. They should have ignored dumping the contracts and gotten the best possible picks and players back. If the summer came and they needed the cap space, they could have always used picks- their own or whatever they received to free up cap space once for sure they knew they had a commitment.

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It really seems like Boston and Ainge wanted KP badly. They definitely could have put together a better package than Dallas. I just wish they focused on receiving the maximum return for KP when they decided to trade him. They should have ignored dumping the contracts and gotten the best possible picks and players back. If the summer came and they needed the cap space, they could have always used picks- their own or whatever they received to free up cap space once for sure they knew they had a commitment.

i wish dolan let phil make the trade..

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It really seems like Boston and Ainge wanted KP badly. They definitely could have put together a better package than Dallas. I just wish they focused on receiving the maximum return for KP when they decided to trade him. They should have ignored dumping the contracts and gotten the best possible picks and players back. If the summer came and they needed the cap space, they could have always used picks- their own or whatever they received to free up cap space once for sure they knew they had a commitment.

This was widely reported at the time. I believe the Knicks wanted Brown, their pick and the Nets pick. Boston said they could have Brown and one of the picks, but not all three assets and Phil walked away. Better than what they got (most likely, Dallas picks tbd) but it wouldn't have been a franchise-changing move. Plus, this was before KP tore his ACL.

Phil negotiating with Ainge terrified me then and terrifies me now.

everyone on this team except for Barrett for Cole Anthony. I'm on the bandwagon after one game.

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It really seems like Boston and Ainge wanted KP badly. They definitely could have put together a better package than Dallas. I just wish they focused on receiving the maximum return for KP when they decided to trade him. They should have ignored dumping the contracts and gotten the best possible picks and players back. If the summer came and they needed the cap space, they could have always used picks- their own or whatever they received to free up cap space once for sure they knew they had a commitment.

ironically, it would appear Mills/Perry properly valued KP in the Dallas trade. If you believe the reports (from Lowe IIRC) that it would have taken one first rounder to move Lee and two first round picks to move Hardaway, that's a pretty hefty theoretical return. Even if it were only 4 picks coming back (maybe some swap rights as well), that's still a lot.

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everyone on this team except for Barrett for Cole Anthony. I'm on the bandwagon after one game.

Our next high draft pick - presumably this season - is gonna make or break us going forward. Usually you get to draft two good young players before you graduate out of the ranks of the bottom-feeders. It would've been KP and Barrett, but KP came and went. Now it's Barrett + the next guy. Cole Anthony, James Wiseman, Anthony Edwards - I'll take my chances with them.

I know randle has played bad to start but randle, morris and rj are the teams best scorers right?

why does he not stagger them with his rotations? you can keep 2 of them in all game, why does he always start the 2md and 4th with none of them on the court?

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The NCAA has ruled Memphis F/C James Wiseman -- the possible No. 1 overall pick in 2020 NBA Draft -- ineligible, his lawyers said in Memphis.

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Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn · 39s The NCAA has ruled Memphis F/C James Wiseman -- the possible No. 1 overall pick in 2020 NBA Draft -- ineligible, his lawyers said in Memphis.

probably took money

penny hardaway helped them move

so when he was 7 penny hardaway knew he would be good and that he would coach for memphis

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so when he was 7 penny hardaway knew he would be good and that he would coach for memphis

I don't think that's right. Wiseman didn't move to Memphis until his sophomore year of HS. Must be a typo meaning 2018, not 2008.

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Seems a little odd considering this news.

about college basketball corruption? I see it had a real impact on him.

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about college basketball corruption? I see it had a real impact on him.

haha yup, and his mom in the movie gets a new house near the school

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a bit of a diva and had every right to try and get out of NY. But the NBA CBA is specifically designed so that teams get to keep franchise players (or potential franchise players) on a second contract if they want them. Leave it to the Knicks to be the probably the first team to completely fuck up that built-in advantage and end up with a bunch of clowns on 1+1 deals to show for it.

Bingo.

but man is he a big douche on the court

Try and get Timmy Hardaway
Back - overpay and then get rid of him?

Hallelujah.

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Try and get Timmy Hardaway Back - overpay and then get rid of him?

you shut your mouth right now

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In comment 14669605 bceagle05 said: Quote: for trying to spin Porzingis while his value was still sky high, but his desire to take Josh Jackson completely nullifies that. I could've lived with trading KP for Fox or Tatum, even at the time. Jackson did not have much upside offensively to warrant that type of move. yup i was completely fine trading kp for a haul at the time

I wasn’t but in retrospect we’d have been much better off doing it then vs last year.

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In comment 14669613 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 14669605 bceagle05 said: Quote: for trying to spin Porzingis while his value was still sky high, but his desire to take Josh Jackson completely nullifies that. I could've lived with trading KP for Fox or Tatum, even at the time. Jackson did not have much upside offensively to warrant that type of move. yup i was completely fine trading kp for a haul at the time I wasn’t but in retrospect we’d have been much better off doing it then vs last year.

i remember you hated people mentioning it haha, you yelled at me a few times

he makes one shot then starts trying to do to much, he doesnt have a handle, stop trying to take step back long twos jist stop

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In comment 14669843 djm said: Quote: In comment 14669613 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 14669605 bceagle05 said: Quote: for trying to spin Porzingis while his value was still sky high, but his desire to take Josh Jackson completely nullifies that. I could've lived with trading KP for Fox or Tatum, even at the time. Jackson did not have much upside offensively to warrant that type of move. yup i was completely fine trading kp for a haul at the time I wasn’t but in retrospect we’d have been much better off doing it then vs last year. i remember you hated people mentioning it haha, you yelled at me a few times

I did sorry. I yell often here lol... you were right to trade him then.

.. I was never this angry discussing sports but the Knicks and giants have just sucked the life out of any hope of sports escapism. One thing to be bad for 1-2-3 years but this is ridiculous.

to get a foul call

Love it.

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Love it.

they are going to overturn it

Can’t give KP a third foul.

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Can’t give KP a third foul.

which is absurd because he stuck his right arm in franks chest

Get him off the floor

The ball over

He has to get his

Hope the light bulb has gone on.

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move the fucking ball

Does anyone in the Knicks org
See how bad this guy is - team killer

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but you are not about that life, step back when portis and morris step to you

Still a game at the half and Knicks are winning

The only positive from that deal is not having to watch THJ anymore. That’s something everyone can agree on. The definition of a chucker.

he tries to reel me back in with performances like this.

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The only positive from that deal is not having to watch THJ anymore. That’s something everyone can agree on. The definition of a chucker.

even i didnt try to make that deal sound like a good one

In comment 14669874 bceagle05 said:

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he tries to reel me back in with performances like this.

he is doing exactly what we want, play defense and knock down the 3, all i want

And allow Ntilikina to take that next step offensively, in his development..

Consitently..

Even if the shots don't go down, why can't he take them with confidence and play like this?

Her looks like Jordan when he goes air. Holy shit.

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In comment 14669879 Mike from SI said:

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Even if the shots don't go down, why can't he take them with confidence and play like this?

It takes time he’s still only 21 years old. And he’s finally getting a long leash and opportunity due to the injuries. He’s looked great tonight and recently. He’s building game to game and it’s great to see. You can see his confidence growing which does wonders for a young player.

Anyone else having poor picture quality with MSG channel? I have Fios an doesnt look good.

Or is this an anomaly?

In comment 14669886 TyreeHelmet said:

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Anyone else having poor picture quality with MSG channel? I have Fios an doesnt look good.

Always. I have to double check to make sure I’m tuned into the HD channel every time, it always looks like shit. I have Xfinity so not just a Fios issue.

In comment 14669886 TyreeHelmet said:

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Anyone else having poor picture quality with MSG channel? I have Fios an doesnt look good.

I'm at my father's (not watching at home) and the picture is sh**. I have Verizon at home but he has something different.

Morris with the 3

In comment 14669888 Mike in NJ said:

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In comment 14669886 TyreeHelmet said: Quote: Anyone else having poor picture quality with MSG channel? I have Fios an doesnt look good. Always. I have to double check to make sure I’m tuned into the HD channel every time, it always looks like shit. I have Xfinity so not just a Fios issue.

Does look dark and in SD. The commercials look better than the game. I just got a new TV and thought something was wrong.

for, he’d be at the line 20 times a game. It’s hard to know which league is worse at officiating...NBA or NFL.

In comment 14669896 PhiPsi125 said:

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for, he’d be at the line 20 times a game. It’s hard to know which league is worse at officiating...NBA or NFL.

unless you are perceived superstar you do not get the benefit of the whistle..

WTF is going on with Frank? Playing great just in time to make me put foot in mouth. Well then Frankie, lets go!

can we get the same ticky tack bullshit call

In comment 14669897 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 14669896 PhiPsi125 said: Quote: for, he’d be at the line 20 times a game. It’s hard to know which league is worse at officiating...NBA or NFL. unless you are perceived superstar you do not get the benefit of the whistle..

Bullshit...RJ was bumped all the way to the basket with no foul (and a Maverick literally jumped on top of him after the shot). Ten seconds later ON THE SAME EXACT PLAY a no name Maverick player ran into Frank and got a whistle. Same exact play. It’s truly astounding.

yet still gets the benefit of the whistle

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with rj, morris and randle all on the bench? i mean come on

Beautiful. I think we have our starting point guard.

Frank has been incredible. Where has this been? Can we please see it more?

Light bulb stay on Please💡

All I ever said is give this guy 10-15 games of consistent minutes and let’s see what we got. What we have isa 21 year who is an absolute beast in defensive. Not a slightly above average defender an absolute beast. And a guy who is starting to buikd some confidence in offense. Still need to see it more but let’s keep giving him minutes

Early 3 by Knox and the quick 5 by Frank. That's it.

In comment 14669912 BigBlueShock said:

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Frank has been incredible. Where has this been? Can we please see it more?

He was drafted as a teenager from another country at the most difficult position to play. It would have been amazing if he had been big impact out of the gate, and injuries have slowed his progress. It’s too soon to say he’s the real deal yet, but the signs this year are certainly promising.

you are doing what we all wanted, stop worrying about being a ppint guard and just defend and hit the open shot, thank you

a defensive possession by Frank.

3 blocks lmao.

but tbf, he's basically NEVER looked like this, even on D. Yes he's good and came into the league as such, but even his motor tonight is fantastic. At best he was timid if not just low effort even on D quite often. He had his moments too, but nothing like this

still THJ'ing

but he has not played horrible tonight, some good defense, has a few stupid turnovers but he made some nice passes and hit some clutch shots

Finish!

My God, Hardaway is fucking atrocious. One of the Knicks' best players tonight.

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still THJ'ing

If you want 1 video clip to describe TH that was it.

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In comment 14669924 ChaChing said: Quote: still THJ'ing If you want 1 video clip to describe TH that was it.

Naw we can watch this whole game. Rapid fire bad shots for shitty FG%. $72M

Then he makes a big one, but shoot that many you'll make 1 eventually

Come the fuck on.

Need one more bucket.

FU

We're determined to blow it.

Fiz has a nice moment with KP. Classy, but I'd tell him to go fuck himself.

can't do the easiest thing even at a mediocre clip. Pressure shots are tough, but they haven't made any all season. Just awful

Let’s see if it gets them on track.

This egghead standing there mystified after they fouled Barrett.

this night belongs to Frank.

GROWN. MAN. GAME.

will kill a lot of easy bash-the-Knicks columns going into next week's game at MSG vs Mavs.

Frank found the rhythm tonight.

Very satisfying.

hope Frank keeps it going but I'm not holding my breath just yet. Even just that effort on D would make him such a valuable player, esp on a shit D team

Now don't let the party end. Keep it going.

cant leave until you make 80

And Randle beat him for the key rebound on RJ's missed FT.

Decent line in box score but not a winning effort.

mavericks have 2 players, when they are off the court that team is horrible..

He is a real talent, but quite the checker. And is it just me or does it look like he pushes off on almost every drive to the basket?

In comment 14669948 steve in ky said:

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He is a real talent, but quite the checker. And is it just me or does it look like he pushes off on almost every drive to the basket?

Ugh auto correct

Chucker not checker

In comment 14669948 steve in ky said:

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He is a real talent, but quite the checker. And is it just me or does it look like he pushes off on almost every drive to the basket?

His second half last year was awful..

they need to find a 3rd scorer otherwise him and kp will be done by the 2nd half of the season..

their opponent

Dame’s got 50 with 6 minutes left. Portland up three.

If this truly is the coming out party for Frank N — then there is light at the end of the tunnel for this franchise. RJ, Robinson, Knox, Frank = average age of 20.25 + five first round picks over the next three years + a healthy amount of cap space. . . .nothing should be more important to Fizdale than the development of these four guys and nothing should be more important to the scouts than watching every minute of the top 5-7 guys in this draft.
Knicks should send a shout to live in Australia.

Of course, if this was just one game and Ntilikina goes back to being tentative and playing with a lack of confidence then the Knicks road is a bit more rocky.

PS—RJ should shoot at least 200 free throws a day. Kid shot .690 at the free throw line in college, just get back there to start with.

but I'm kinda hoping he finds a home here. I'd have no problem giving him a 2-3 year deal this summer. Frank/Morris/Mitch/RJ makes for an excellent defensive unit. Find another scorer in the top 10 of this year's draft and we might have a little something to develop.

He's clearly going to live at the line in the pros. He NEEDS to be a good free throw shooter.

Yeah, he's erratic, but was coming back from a back injury when his stepmother died. He's only 21. I wouldn't mind him at all as a long-term back-up for Frank, assuming Frank is what he seemed to he tonight. Frank could shoot terrifically in the under 18s btw, 54% from the three. He just lost confidence. He is so long for a pg and a great defender for a pg that big.

And, Randle and Portis are 24 and worth something. Getting something out of the 5 first rounders over the next 3 years, and someone of quality for their cap space this year or next, and possibly even a trade for one of their players at trade time, and this could be a team. With the talent two years more mature, lots of cap space, and two first round picks in 2021, and they could fill up the roster. Talent won't be scared about coming here with the youth all two years more mature, and mostly much better.

I still like Knox's potential a lot, although this year he is stuck behind Morris.

Back of the lottery could be a good slot this year.

big if since it was only one game, i am ckmpletely ok playing robinson off thr bench, until he learns not to foul, he can still get 25 minutes a night..

shot 66% percent free throws in college. That blows.NBA players should be a least 75%

Mike Breen "Randle's spin move is a turnover waiting to happen" - ha ha ha

Seriously - he does have some positives - needs to be reeled in and disciplined if he goes off the reservation.

Fiz - yep -

Can't have sloppy mcsloppy bringing the ball up - dribbling east and west beyond the 3 point line. Trying to do "too much" - quite frankly out of control.

I am going to continue to complain. If he has some highlights great, but, the negatives far out weight the positives at this point.

In comment 14669998 GiantsUA said:

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Mike Breen "Randle's spin move is a turnover waiting to happen" - ha ha ha Seriously - he does have some positives - needs to be reeled in and disciplined if he goes off the reservation. Fiz - yep - Can't have sloppy mcsloppy bringing the ball up - dribbling east and west beyond the 3 point line. Trying to do "too much" - quite frankly out of control. I am going to continue to complain. If he has some highlights great, but, the negatives far out weight the positives at this point.

lets be fair, he had 21 8 and 4 last night, his defense was not horrible...i get the turnovers are annoying but he played well laat night..

clutch jumper and his defense was good in the 4th

In comment 14669998 GiantsUA said:

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Mike Breen "Randle's spin move is a turnover waiting to happen" - ha ha ha Seriously - he does have some positives - needs to be reeled in and disciplined if he goes off the reservation. Fiz - yep - Can't have sloppy mcsloppy bringing the ball up - dribbling east and west beyond the 3 point line. Trying to do "too much" - quite frankly out of control. I am going to continue to complain. If he has some highlights great, but, the negatives far out weight the positives at this point.

So, you’re going to continue to complain. Lovely. And what exactly is that accomplishing? Other than driving the rest of the board crazy because you keep repeating yourself day after day. We get it. You hate Randle. You’re on record. Why is that not good enough? Why must the rest of us suffer because you like to constantly complain about the same thing over and over again? You really like complaining that much? Ugh, there are some strange birds out there...

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I think Randle would be much better coming off bench with Portis

Starting 5

Frank
RJ
Knox
Morris
Mitch

Play Morris and trade him for a first

Developing the other 4 is so important to this teams future

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Wtf? You constantly complaining on BBI is going to get these glaring issues fixed? That’s some deep shit there man. Some random guy on a football fan website that the Knicks (basketball) have no idea even exits is sure to get this all turned around! Keep on complaining my friend! That’ll teach em!

I've crushed Frank like most people - but that was some performance last night. Wherever the fuck that came from, I want more of it.

Brutal game for RJ - it's going to happen. A lot of really great players struggled at first. He's still such a young kid. Just really hope he can improve on FT's. That almost lost us the game last night.

Nice win though. One of the best games the Knicks have played this year sans the sloppy close-out. Thought they did a lot of good things.

In comment 14670023 arcarsenal said:

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I've crushed Frank like most people - but that was some performance last night. Wherever the fuck that came from, I want more of it. Brutal game for RJ - it's going to happen. A lot of really great players struggled at first. He's still such a young kid. Just really hope he can improve on FT's. That almost lost us the game last night. Nice win though. One of the best games the Knicks have played this year sans the sloppy close-out. Thought they did a lot of good things.

he just needs to hit free throws, he is so agressive driving to the hoop,if he just hits feee throws he is going to score plenty of points even without a jumper..

No doubt. I love the way he attacks the rim and generates scoring chances. Even last night, he had a couple of big boy moves to get into the paint and get a high percentage shot off.

I have no real worries at all with RJ. Just needs to keep playing and he'll grow. He's got a great head on his shoulders.

Stephen Jackson was on with Boomer and Gio the other day and he was talking about how RJ is universally loved right now... pretty much everyone likes the kid and thinks he's got a great head on his shoulders and will have a great NBA career.

He looks so much more confident out there, you can tell that finally getting consistent minutes has really helped him.

Just saw a stat that Porzingis and Doncic were combined 5-15 with 5 turnovers and a blocked shot when Ntilikina was defending them. He made several “elite” level defensive plays.

Take away the 0/6 night against Chicago and his shooting has actually been pretty damn good. Over the last 5 he’s shooting 46% overall and 53% from 3.

In comment 14670019 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 14670013 GiantsUA said: Quote: . Wtf? You constantly complaining on BBI is going to get these glaring issues fixed? That’s some deep shit there man. Some random guy on a football fan website that the Knicks (basketball) have no idea even exits is sure to get this all turned around! Keep on complaining my friend! That’ll teach em!

Wow, relax, it's the weekend.

You want to pick a fight look elsewhere.

We may not havw gotten the W.

No doubt about it.

Fiz should tell Frank that if he passes up an open shot, he’s sitting.

I actually watched the MSG encore airing of the game. Best win in God knows how long. My man Frank.

I think the Knicks and Porzingis BOTH have some regrets about the breakup - everyone gave up on the relationship too quickly.

I know I’m beating a dead horse and not trying to revisit and litigate the trade again. But how excited would you be with KP on this team?

Robinson, KP, Morris, Knox, Frank, Barrett would be a fun and exiting nucleus. It was hard watching him in a Dallas uni. I know he’s not the perfect player but man did he look good last night.

In comment 14670152 TyreeHelmet said:

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I know I’m beating a dead horse and not trying to revisit and litigate the trade again. But how excited would you be with KP on this team? Robinson, KP, Morris, Knox, Frank, Barrett would be a fun and exiting nucleus. It was hard watching him in a Dallas uni. I know he’s not the perfect player but man did he look good last night.

until the 4th quarter where he comes up small..

In comment 14670065 Mike in NJ said:

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He looks so much more confident out there, you can tell that finally getting consistent minutes has really helped him. Just saw a stat that Porzingis and Doncic were combined 5-15 with 5 turnovers and a blocked shot when Ntilikina was defending them. He made several “elite” level defensive plays. Take away the 0/6 night against Chicago and his shooting has actually been pretty damn good. Over the last 5 he’s shooting 46% overall and 53% from 3.

With his defense, if hes even an average offensive player that can make an open 3 at a half decent clip AND can at least bring up the ball on the floor without turning it over he would be quite valuable.

In comment 14670029 arcarsenal said:

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No doubt. I love the way he attacks the rim and generates scoring chances. Even last night, he had a couple of big boy moves to get into the paint and get a high percentage shot off. I have no real worries at all with RJ. Just needs to keep playing and he'll grow. He's got a great head on his shoulders. Stephen Jackson was on with Boomer and Gio the other day and he was talking about how RJ is universally loved right now... pretty much everyone likes the kid and thinks he's got a great head on his shoulders and will have a great NBA career.

Paul Peirce-ish not explosive by any stretch but understands spacing and positioning of the body so well to get up shots with a body on him. It's really impressive. If he improves at the line (which he should) and from beyond the arc , he will be a bonafide star.

(Not sure he does), Ntilikina starts EVERY game rest of the year, gets at least 25 minutes, whether his offense is good or not. Now at 21, third year in the league, is when he should start to blossom. Encourage it, help it, he has a potentially elite skill ( his defense). Elite skills lead to wins and a winning team. It’s up to the coaching staff to get that out of him on a consistent basis. Controlling the other teams point guards is a great way to start getting this team straightened out. Set the tone defensively and with Robinson at center, an identity will start to emerge. When it carries over to Knox they would have a real good young player. He’s only 20. Barrett already competes at both ends, his long range shooting (and free throws have to improve. I suspect he knows that.

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Too bad Clyde wasn’t on the call for this one - he would’ve loved it.

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Ntilikina has put a stranglehold on the starting point guard job less than two weeks after the coach refused to given him the starting nod in Orlando, even though he was missing all three of his other point guards — Payton, Smith and Kadeem Allen. Fizdale made shaky excuses about wanting to keep Ntilikina out of foul trouble. Perhaps Fizdale didn’t trust him offensively to start the game. Rookie RJ Barrett instead started at point guard — out of position — and did not do well. The following day, Fizdale said he still was not going to start Ntilikina in the next game against Boston, but reversed his decision 24 hours later. The change of heart was suspicious, as Knicks president Steve Mills had a long chat with Ntilikina at the Boston practice. Mills has served as Ntilikina’s strongest supporter in the organization. Ntilikina has owned the job ever since, and his fourth straight start in Dallas turned magical.

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In comment 14670565 bceagle05 said:

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Quote: Ntilikina has put a stranglehold on the starting point guard job less than two weeks after the coach refused to given him the starting nod in Orlando, even though he was missing all three of his other point guards — Payton, Smith and Kadeem Allen. Fizdale made shaky excuses about wanting to keep Ntilikina out of foul trouble. Perhaps Fizdale didn’t trust him offensively to start the game. Rookie RJ Barrett instead started at point guard — out of position — and did not do well. The following day, Fizdale said he still was not going to start Ntilikina in the next game against Boston, but reversed his decision 24 hours later. The change of heart was suspicious, as Knicks president Steve Mills had a long chat with Ntilikina at the Boston practice. Mills has served as Ntilikina’s strongest supporter in the organization. Ntilikina has owned the job ever since, and his fourth straight start in Dallas turned magical. Berman - ( New Window )

Good, he needed a supporter in the organization since Fizdale never displayed a whole lot of it.

at Memphis.

Result: Mavs put up 138 points with a balanced scoring attack in easy win over the Grizzlies.

Mavs go to Boston Monday night, then get a couple off days before the rematch with Knicks at MSG on Thursday.

Get well Mitch.

Even for a 1st right now.

From my view this guy looks like the type of professional that the Knicks have lacked for a very long time. He seems like a leader and a culture setter for a team in desperate need of it. That is very very valuable.

This is a young team that needs to learn how to approach practice and games. It’s far better to have RJ Barrett and Knox and Ntilikina seeing how Morris approaches his day to day job then it was when say Porzingis was looking at Carmelo Anthony.

I wouldn’t consider moving Marcus Morris right now.

Morris and Randle are redundant. Morris has shown more and frankly is the better fit as the 4 with Robinson at the 5 (hopefully Knox at the 3 but still a wide open q). I’m fine giving it more time but if 40 games in its more of the same, question is will the front office admit Randle wasn’t a good signing and let him be moved to 6th man.

Has done many things well but unfortunately also many things poorly. I think much of it comes from his trying to do too much, probably in response to signing as the big FA the Knicks did get, and his feeling the need to justify that. If he can learn to play within his limits he can be a nice player it’s when he goes beyond that the wheels begin to fall off. The question is can the coaches get him to do that, or if not will he learn it himself. That will be the key to how well he does as a Knick.