Mavs are in town tonight. KP admitted yesterday during an interview he asked to be traded. I know there's some back and forth on this board about he did/didn't want out. KP is soft.
Still, there had been some pushback about whether Porzingis actually requested a trade.
Today, Porzingis confirmed he did.
SNY:
•Reporter: “You had the trade request, right?”
•Porzingis: [nodding] “Yeah”
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No Mitchell Robinson tonight. It's a shame, I wanted to see him D up against KP. Maybe Randle slides down to the 5.
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It is unclear what led him to alter the thinking of Porzingis and ask for a trade.
It is unclear what led him to alter the thinking of Porzingis and ask for a trade.
Either the Knicks told him they were trading him or told him they were not going to offer full max..
or another team tried to recruit him..
My fiance is in TV and we were at a Sony event and I ran into Mark Cuban, this was before free agency and he told me the Knicks thought they were getting Durant and that is why they traded KP. I had complimented Cuban in being the latest to fleece the Knicks and he laughed and said they think they are getting KD.
My fiance is in TV and we were at a Sony event and I ran into Mark Cuban, this was before free agency and he told me the Knicks thought they were getting Durant and that is why they traded KP. I had complimented Cuban in being the latest to fleece the Knicks and he laughed and said they think they are getting KD.
I don't know if the 2 scenarios are directly linked. They can think they are getting KD and also not want to deal with KP anymore. Cuban likes to talk too so much of that can just be him liking the sound of his voice.
My fiance is in TV and we were at a Sony event and I ran into Mark Cuban, this was before free agency and he told me the Knicks thought they were getting Durant and that is why they traded KP. I had complimented Cuban in being the latest to fleece the Knicks and he laughed and said they think they are getting KD.
you framed that conversation differently when you first posted this
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So it's the Knicks' fault he couldn't stay on the court for more than 57% of the games over a 4 year span? My problem is if you want to change the "culture", be available and help them change it on the court. A player can't do anything in his suit.
When a guy has an attitude and is never available, fuck him.
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Despite my being a fan, if my son were a dynamite player with lottery potential, I'd want the Knicks to stay far away from him. This is the worst organization in professional sports.
So it's the Knicks' fault he couldn't stay on the court for more than 57% of the games over a 4 year span? My problem is if you want to change the "culture", be available and help them change it on the court. A player can't do anything in his suit.
When a guy has an attitude and is never available, fuck him.
Melo was a bad influence on KP. He learned from Melo to expect that he should be treated like a superstar, when he hadn’t earned it yet.
Is there any other recent comp for this situation? A young all star who forced his way out of the team who drafted him before his 2nd contract? It usually happens leading up to the 3rd contract where the player is UFA. Leave it to the Knicks to screw up a situation in a system designed to give the team all the power.
And while I'm sure KP wasn't some choir boy, the "dirt" Berman is reporting is pretty minor for an NBA star. I think it all boils down to a few factors.
- Porzingis was shopped around the league after his rookie season and until the end of his time with the Knicks. That's not how you build a trusting relationship with your star player. You think RJ Barett would like to hear he's being offered around the league? These guys are humans.
- KP had no trust in the Knicks front office- specifically Steve Mills.
- Steve Mills didn't want to offer the max to KP. He also thought he could get Durant and Irving and used KP to create the cap space.
- Dallas was in town and the Knicks had a trade they could sell to Dolan - especially with DSJ having a triple double that night. Don't discount that factor.
As for the Irving/ Durant angle. Either the Knicks had bad info that they were coming or those guys changed their minds once finding out more information ( maybe from Deandre Jordan who saw it firsthand after the trade). Or maybe they simply were flat out beat by Brooklyn. Either situation is an awful look for the Knicks.
But the many of the top NBA stars do as well.
Leonard, Davis, George, Curry, Klay, Durant, Embiid all have had major injuries. Just the nature of the game.
no he wanted magic, and then magic suggested isiah
Supposedly Zeke and Mills are not on good terms at all.
Mills takes a lot of cover from Jackson for some of those bad moves. But when he was solely in charge, he signed Hardaway to that contrat, signed Baker to two-years, $8.9M, including a player option and traded a 2nd round pick to hire Scott Perry. Those were his moves alone.
His record is 164-336 as GM or President. Never made the playoffs. He's presided over a team that has lost at least 50 games 5 seasons in a row.
In all of sports, is there any comparable with someone with a similar record being able to keep his job for so long?
It was weird, cringe and reeked of lolKnicks.
The Knicks being bad is really bad for the NBA. It costs them money and having a perennial laughingstock in Manhattan is a bad image for the league.
It’s funny we are sucking more now that we are not tanking, wonder how he’s going to spin this...
So if they get rid of Dolan, they'll win the lottery next year?
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Something to the level of 'not enough to just hire someone, get the fuck out'. As long as he owns the team he's always going to have a stoolie somewhere mucking with the works.
So if they get rid of Dolan, they'll win the lottery next year?
Any time they've rid themselves of Dolan they'll have won the lottery.
Hehe
I’ve shared this before, but I have a friend who’s in “the know” in NBA circles...he used to work for an NBA front office, and has several friends among players and agents.
Way back when, he told me Lebron was signing with Miami 2 days before it happened. I called bullshit. Fucker turned out to be right.
Anyway, this time around he told me back in about February not to sleep on Brooklyn for KD and Kyrie. I asked why, he said Kyrie really wanted Brooklyn (as we know), but also because the negativity around the Knicks is a real thing that deters some players from wanting to come to MSG.
A couple of months ago I was at a luncheon where they had Plaxico come in and talk to the group in a Q&A situation. One of the things he mentioned was the huge adjustment around the media. In Pitt, there were like 7 or 8 media members they had to interact with after games. After coming to NY, it was 60 members of the media they had to address. He said it was insane and he wasn't a fan of it.
With young guys like Knox, rj, Mitch, etc, a pg who can kind of tie it all together was a must. Instead they gave big one yr deals to bad players like portis and Gibson.
Russel, RJ, Knox, Randle, Mitch would have been a fun team to root for.
ITA. This was highly evident before last season even ended and free agency started. 99% of the Knicks/NY hating basketball media says, "You can't go there. They suck. You'll suck. Everything sucks." It creates such a negativity around the Knicks that a player would really need some big stones to take on the responsibility. IDC what he says now, but I truly believe KD was strongly considering being that guy until he got hurt.
I agree though, a steady hand at PG would make the whole team better. We spent $75+ million over the summer and didn't secure one guy who'll be an integral part of the team in two years. Brogdon would've been a big help.
With young guys like Knox, rj, Mitch, etc, a pg who can kind of tie it all together was a must. Instead they gave big one yr deals to bad players like portis and Gibson.
Russel, RJ, Knox, Randle, Mitch would have been a fun team to root for.
i was one of the people on here saying russell and randle, but once the warriors started to talk to the nets about sign and trade there was zero chance knicks could sign russell
We all know how this goes. We end up with LaMelo and it turns into a complete shit show.
I also think they believe too much in their name and arena. Hopefully this was a wake up call that having a great arena and fan base just doesn’t cut it with the current generation of players anymore.
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We all know how this goes. We end up with LaMelo and it turns into a complete shit show.
I actually like what I've seen from LaMelo. Wiseman looks like a potential monster so he's "my guy" right now but LaMelo could be a nice player.