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NFT: 11/8 Knicks Chat: Porzingis admits he wanted traded

LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/8/2019 8:42 am
Mavs are in town tonight. KP admitted yesterday during an interview he asked to be traded. I know there's some back and forth on this board about he did/didn't want out. KP is soft.

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Still, there had been some pushback about whether Porzingis actually requested a trade.

Today, Porzingis confirmed he did.

SNY:


•Reporter: “You had the trade request, right?”


•Porzingis: [nodding] “Yeah”


No Mitchell Robinson tonight. It's a shame, I wanted to see him D up against KP. Maybe Randle slides down to the 5.
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Begley  
DanMetroMan : 11/8/2019 8:49 am : link
Kristaps Porzingis remained fully committed to remaining with the New York Knicks in the weeks prior to his trade to the Dallas Mavericks.

It is unclear what led him to alter the thinking of Porzingis and ask for a trade.
Oh well who cares he’s gone  
Oscar : 11/8/2019 8:52 am : link
There’s something off with that guy. I don’t think he’ll end up being that consequential of a player but who knows. If I were guessing now I don’t think the Knicks gave up a ten year star, multi-time All NBA or All Star player. Time will tell.
RE: Begley  
nygiants16 : 11/8/2019 8:53 am : link
In comment 14668961 DanMetroMan said:
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Kristaps Porzingis remained fully committed to remaining with the New York Knicks in the weeks prior to his trade to the Dallas Mavericks.

It is unclear what led him to alter the thinking of Porzingis and ask for a trade.


Either the Knicks told him they were trading him or told him they were not going to offer full max..

or another team tried to recruit him..
Tonight's game is in Dallas 8:30 pm start  
shyster : 11/8/2019 8:55 am : link
Mavs will come to MSG on Thursday upcoming for a TNT game.
I mean  
crackerjack465 : 11/8/2019 9:03 am : link
I don't really blame him. We stink and have terrible management. Why would you want to spend the prime of your career here, winning (maybe) 20 games?
He's going to get booed  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/8/2019 9:06 am : link
mercilessly next Thursday.
I don't blame him at all  
Greg from LI : 11/8/2019 9:07 am : link
Despite my being a fan, if my son were a dynamite player with lottery potential, I'd want the Knicks to stay far away from him. This is the worst organization in professional sports.
KP may have been  
Enzo : 11/8/2019 9:12 am : link
a bit of a diva and had every right to try and get out of NY. But the NBA CBA is specifically designed so that teams get to keep franchise players (or potential franchise players) on a second contract if they want them. Leave it to the Knicks to be the probably the first team to completely fuck up that built-in advantage and end up with a bunch of clowns on 1+1 deals to show for it.
wasn't this obvious  
UConn4523 : 11/8/2019 9:19 am : link
and its why I never understood why people say "he should still be here" - clearly not. He didn't want to be here anymore and the Knicks got what they could before it got ugly. Sounds familiar...
If a player badly enough wants to leave  
nygiants16 : 11/8/2019 9:22 am : link
he has all the control but he is going to be willing to have to sacrafice 1 less year of a max deal..
KP  
Pete44 : 11/8/2019 9:25 am : link
It was an epic fail that Mills could not get KP to buy in and then traded him for the purpose of landing KD.

My fiance is in TV and we were at a Sony event and I ran into Mark Cuban, this was before free agency and he told me the Knicks thought they were getting Durant and that is why they traded KP. I had complimented Cuban in being the latest to fleece the Knicks and he laughed and said they think they are getting KD.
RE: KP  
UConn4523 : 11/8/2019 9:31 am : link
In comment 14669011 Pete44 said:
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It was an epic fail that Mills could not get KP to buy in and then traded him for the purpose of landing KD.

My fiance is in TV and we were at a Sony event and I ran into Mark Cuban, this was before free agency and he told me the Knicks thought they were getting Durant and that is why they traded KP. I had complimented Cuban in being the latest to fleece the Knicks and he laughed and said they think they are getting KD.


I don't know if the 2 scenarios are directly linked. They can think they are getting KD and also not want to deal with KP anymore. Cuban likes to talk too so much of that can just be him liking the sound of his voice.
RE: KP  
nygiants16 : 11/8/2019 9:42 am : link
In comment 14669011 Pete44 said:
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It was an epic fail that Mills could not get KP to buy in and then traded him for the purpose of landing KD.

My fiance is in TV and we were at a Sony event and I ran into Mark Cuban, this was before free agency and he told me the Knicks thought they were getting Durant and that is why they traded KP. I had complimented Cuban in being the latest to fleece the Knicks and he laughed and said they think they are getting KD.


you framed that conversation differently when you first posted this
Here’s another good article on the situation  
BigBlueShock : 11/8/2019 9:53 am : link
I can’t stand how the Knicks are run, and some of this is on them and their incompetence. But screw KP.
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Nope, screw Mills and Dolan for running an amateur FO.  
yatqb : 11/8/2019 10:08 am : link
The team is a laughingstock and that trade was as bad as the Isaiah trades of the past. When the team you root for is so brain dead that you’d take any BBIer as an alternate owner or GM, you know that you’re in trouble.
RE: I don't blame him at all  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/8/2019 10:19 am : link
In comment 14668981 Greg from LI said:
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Despite my being a fan, if my son were a dynamite player with lottery potential, I'd want the Knicks to stay far away from him. This is the worst organization in professional sports.


So it's the Knicks' fault he couldn't stay on the court for more than 57% of the games over a 4 year span? My problem is if you want to change the "culture", be available and help them change it on the court. A player can't do anything in his suit.

When a guy has an attitude and is never available, fuck him.
RE: RE: I don't blame him at all  
mfsd : 11/8/2019 10:22 am : link
In comment 14669118 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 14668981 Greg from LI said:


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Despite my being a fan, if my son were a dynamite player with lottery potential, I'd want the Knicks to stay far away from him. This is the worst organization in professional sports.



So it's the Knicks' fault he couldn't stay on the court for more than 57% of the games over a 4 year span? My problem is if you want to change the "culture", be available and help them change it on the court. A player can't do anything in his suit.

When a guy has an attitude and is never available, fuck him.


Melo was a bad influence on KP. He learned from Melo to expect that he should be treated like a superstar, when he hadn’t earned it yet.
Fizdale  
DanMetroMan : 11/8/2019 10:30 am : link
acting like he's going to be here when the picks they got for KP are helping the Knicks lol
RE: KP may have been  
TyreeHelmet : 11/8/2019 10:34 am : link
In comment 14668994 Enzo said:
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a bit of a diva and had every right to try and get out of NY. But the NBA CBA is specifically designed so that teams get to keep franchise players (or potential franchise players) on a second contract if they want them. Leave it to the Knicks to be the probably the first team to completely fuck up that built-in advantage and end up with a bunch of clowns on 1+1 deals to show for it.


Is there any other recent comp for this situation? A young all star who forced his way out of the team who drafted him before his 2nd contract? It usually happens leading up to the 3rd contract where the player is UFA. Leave it to the Knicks to screw up a situation in a system designed to give the team all the power.

And while I'm sure KP wasn't some choir boy, the "dirt" Berman is reporting is pretty minor for an NBA star. I think it all boils down to a few factors.

- Porzingis was shopped around the league after his rookie season and until the end of his time with the Knicks. That's not how you build a trusting relationship with your star player. You think RJ Barett would like to hear he's being offered around the league? These guys are humans.
- KP had no trust in the Knicks front office- specifically Steve Mills.
- Steve Mills didn't want to offer the max to KP. He also thought he could get Durant and Irving and used KP to create the cap space.
- Dallas was in town and the Knicks had a trade they could sell to Dolan - especially with DSJ having a triple double that night. Don't discount that factor.

As for the Irving/ Durant angle. Either the Knicks had bad info that they were coming or those guys changed their minds once finding out more information ( maybe from Deandre Jordan who saw it firsthand after the trade). Or maybe they simply were flat out beat by Brooklyn. Either situation is an awful look for the Knicks.

This past summer was an unmitigated disaster for the Knicks.  
bceagle05 : 11/8/2019 10:38 am : link
They were wise to keep their mouths shut ever since - nobody wants to hear Steve Mills' bullshit anymore.
Their only salvation is injuries.  
bceagle05 : 11/8/2019 10:42 am : link
Not that I wish them on anyone, but KP, Irving, Durant and even Zion all have major durability question marks going forward.
RE: Their only salvation is injuries.  
TyreeHelmet : 11/8/2019 10:45 am : link
In comment 14669156 bceagle05 said:
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Not that I wish them on anyone, but KP, Irving, Durant and even Zion all have major durability question marks going forward.


But the many of the top NBA stars do as well.

Leonard, Davis, George, Curry, Klay, Durant, Embiid all have had major injuries. Just the nature of the game.
Wasn't Mills the guy who suggested Dolan hire Isiah?  
Greg from LI : 11/8/2019 10:46 am : link
This guy's like Rasputin or something - has the favor of the Czar and uses it to ruin everything.
Oh I agree.  
bceagle05 : 11/8/2019 10:47 am : link
I used to beat that drum when Knicks fans would obsess over KP's durability concerns - basketball takes a brutal toll on these guys.
RE: Wasn't Mills the guy who suggested Dolan hire Isiah?  
nygiants16 : 11/8/2019 10:58 am : link
In comment 14669161 Greg from LI said:
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This guy's like Rasputin or something - has the favor of the Czar and uses it to ruin everything.


no he wanted magic, and then magic suggested isiah
RE: Wasn't Mills the guy who suggested Dolan hire Isiah?  
TyreeHelmet : 11/8/2019 10:58 am : link
In comment 14669161 Greg from LI said:
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This guy's like Rasputin or something - has the favor of the Czar and uses it to ruin everything.


Supposedly Zeke and Mills are not on good terms at all.

Mills takes a lot of cover from Jackson for some of those bad moves. But when he was solely in charge, he signed Hardaway to that contrat, signed Baker to two-years, $8.9M, including a player option and traded a 2nd round pick to hire Scott Perry. Those were his moves alone.

His record is 164-336 as GM or President. Never made the playoffs. He's presided over a team that has lost at least 50 games 5 seasons in a row.

In all of sports, is there any comparable with someone with a similar record being able to keep his job for so long?

my mistake, then  
Greg from LI : 11/8/2019 11:06 am : link
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Mills is usually the guy who stabs everyone in the back  
bceagle05 : 11/8/2019 11:34 am : link
and gets them fired. Not sure who could possibly influence Dolan enough to fire Mills. Adam Silver? Don Henley? Mike Francesa? We need a hero to emerge.
The fact they felt compelled to release a statement  
moespree : 11/8/2019 11:40 am : link
When they struck out on the big FAs says much about people like Mills and the franchise itself. Has there been another instance ever in any sport where a franchise makes a public statement just because they didn't sign the top FA on the open market?

It was weird, cringe and reeked of lolKnicks.
Dolan  
TyreeHelmet : 11/8/2019 11:44 am : link
If things keep going the way are, I wouldn't be surprised if Silver asks Dolan to make a change. Stern did it 10 years ago when he nudged Dolan to hire Walsh or Colangelo.

The Knicks being bad is really bad for the NBA. It costs them money and having a perennial laughingstock in Manhattan is a bad image for the league.
At least they didn't accuse KD and Irving  
bceagle05 : 11/8/2019 11:51 am : link
of being drug addicts in that July press release. Baby steps for Baby Dolan.
Since we cannot fire Dolan, I want Mills gone. Rasputin is an apt  
Jim in Hoboken : 11/8/2019 11:56 am : link
comparison. We need to drug him and shoot him before the Knicks can get out from his evil influences.

It’s funny we are sucking more now that we are not tanking, wonder how he’s going to spin this...
We need some Steinbrenner level shit with Dolan  
jcn56 : 11/8/2019 11:59 am : link
Something to the level of 'not enough to just hire someone, get the fuck out'. As long as he owns the team he's always going to have a stoolie somewhere mucking with the works.
RE: We need some Steinbrenner level shit with Dolan  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/8/2019 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14669257 jcn56 said:
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Something to the level of 'not enough to just hire someone, get the fuck out'. As long as he owns the team he's always going to have a stoolie somewhere mucking with the works.


So if they get rid of Dolan, they'll win the lottery next year?
I wonder if Dolan  
bceagle05 : 11/8/2019 12:05 pm : link
ever reflects on the fact that every single Knicks fan in the world prays he sells the team. There would be a raucous celebration if it happened.
RE: RE: We need some Steinbrenner level shit with Dolan  
jcn56 : 11/8/2019 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14669267 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 14669257 jcn56 said:


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Something to the level of 'not enough to just hire someone, get the fuck out'. As long as he owns the team he's always going to have a stoolie somewhere mucking with the works.



So if they get rid of Dolan, they'll win the lottery next year?


Any time they've rid themselves of Dolan they'll have won the lottery.
RE: At least they didn't accuse KD and Irving  
mfsd : 11/8/2019 12:08 pm : link
In comment 14669245 bceagle05 said:
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of being drug addicts in that July press release. Baby steps for Baby Dolan.


Hehe

I’ve shared this before, but I have a friend who’s in “the know” in NBA circles...he used to work for an NBA front office, and has several friends among players and agents.

Way back when, he told me Lebron was signing with Miami 2 days before it happened. I called bullshit. Fucker turned out to be right.

Anyway, this time around he told me back in about February not to sleep on Brooklyn for KD and Kyrie. I asked why, he said Kyrie really wanted Brooklyn (as we know), but also because the negativity around the Knicks is a real thing that deters some players from wanting to come to MSG.

It's funny that the thing that used to make NYC such a draw  
PhiPsi125 : 11/8/2019 12:48 pm : link
to players (media, notoriety, huge market) is now such a deterrent to players. The media absolutely kills the desire players may have to play in NY. And then they kill the team for not being able to sign those players. It aint the fans for the most part - the garden still sells out even with the team being an albatross. I'm sure that Dolan is a part of it but I don't think it's that big of a factor as some. Dolan is hardly the only moron owner out there. Him selling the team would help a little but not much IMO.

A couple of months ago I was at a luncheon where they had Plaxico come in and talk to the group in a Q&A situation. One of the things he mentioned was the huge adjustment around the media. In Pitt, there were like 7 or 8 media members they had to interact with after games. After coming to NY, it was 60 members of the media they had to address. He said it was insane and he wasn't a fan of it.
First post on BBI  
Touchdown maker : 11/8/2019 12:56 pm : link
What makes no sense to me is why the knicks didn’t make a play for Angelo Russell or another PG (maybe Rubio). At some point they have to stop playing the cap space game and acquire good players and try to be a playoff caliber team.

With young guys like Knox, rj, Mitch, etc, a pg who can kind of tie it all together was a must. Instead they gave big one yr deals to bad players like portis and Gibson.

Russel, RJ, Knox, Randle, Mitch would have been a fun team to root for.
RE: It's funny that the thing that used to make NYC such a draw  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/8/2019 12:56 pm : link
In comment 14669339 PhiPsi125 said:
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to players (media, notoriety, huge market) is now such a deterrent to players. The media absolutely kills the desire players may have to play in NY. And then they kill the team for not being able to sign those players.


ITA. This was highly evident before last season even ended and free agency started. 99% of the Knicks/NY hating basketball media says, "You can't go there. They suck. You'll suck. Everything sucks." It creates such a negativity around the Knicks that a player would really need some big stones to take on the responsibility. IDC what he says now, but I truly believe KD was strongly considering being that guy until he got hurt.
I understand the Knicks didn't want to be tied down to players who  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/8/2019 12:59 pm : link
aren't stars. But in hindsight, I probably would've thrown a lot of money at Malcolm Brogdon. THAT is the type of guy who should've gotten a Tim Hardaway Jr. unmatched contract.
Brogdon shoots the ball well and plays defense.  
bceagle05 : 11/8/2019 1:06 pm : link
I'm sure he wasn't on the Mills/Perry radar.

I agree though, a steady hand at PG would make the whole team better. We spent $75+ million over the summer and didn't secure one guy who'll be an integral part of the team in two years. Brogdon would've been a big help.
One more thing on Brogdon...  
bceagle05 : 11/8/2019 1:09 pm : link
Scott Perry likes to wax poetic about his days in Detroit when that championship core was together, and all the lessons he learned about team building. Well, a guy like Brogdon would've fit right in on those Detroit teams. You'd think Perry would be all over him.
League should have stepped in a long time ago  
ghost718 : 11/8/2019 1:11 pm : link
But as long as those decimal points and comma's are in the right spots,that's all there concerned with.If the place is filled with foreign exchange students on Christmas Day,so be it
RE: First post on BBI  
nygiants16 : 11/8/2019 1:18 pm : link
In comment 14669353 Touchdown maker said:
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What makes no sense to me is why the knicks didn’t make a play for Angelo Russell or another PG (maybe Rubio). At some point they have to stop playing the cap space game and acquire good players and try to be a playoff caliber team.

With young guys like Knox, rj, Mitch, etc, a pg who can kind of tie it all together was a must. Instead they gave big one yr deals to bad players like portis and Gibson.

Russel, RJ, Knox, Randle, Mitch would have been a fun team to root for.


i was one of the people on here saying russell and randle, but once the warriors started to talk to the nets about sign and trade there was zero chance knicks could sign russell
The knicks problem is  
nygiants16 : 11/8/2019 1:19 pm : link
they believed to much in dennis smith..
Tank is on!  
DanMetroMan : 11/8/2019 1:30 pm : link
#Moron4Wiseman
RE: Tank is on!  
Strahan91 : 11/8/2019 1:32 pm : link
In comment 14669408 DanMetroMan said:
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#Moron4Wiseman

We all know how this goes. We end up with LaMelo and it turns into a complete shit show.
RE: The knicks problem is  
Touchdown maker : 11/8/2019 1:33 pm : link
In comment 14669394 nygiants16 said:
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they believed to much in dennis smith..


I also think they believe too much in their name and arena. Hopefully this was a wake up call that having a great arena and fan base just doesn’t cut it with the current generation of players anymore.
RE: RE: Tank is on!  
DanMetroMan : 11/8/2019 1:33 pm : link
In comment 14669413 Strahan91 said:
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In comment 14669408 DanMetroMan said:


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#Moron4Wiseman


We all know how this goes. We end up with LaMelo and it turns into a complete shit show.


I actually like what I've seen from LaMelo. Wiseman looks like a potential monster so he's "my guy" right now but LaMelo could be a nice player.
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