NFT: 11/8 Knicks Chat: Porzingis admits he wanted traded

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In comment 14669394 nygiants16 said: Quote: they believed to much in dennis smith.. I also think they believe too much in their name and arena. Hopefully this was a wake up call that having a great arena and fan base just doesn’t cut it with the current generation of players anymore.

Wake up calls and Dolan don't mix.

In comment 14669416 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 14669413 Strahan91 said: Quote: In comment 14669408 DanMetroMan said: Quote: #Moron4Wiseman We all know how this goes. We end up with LaMelo and it turns into a complete shit show. I actually like what I've seen from LaMelo. Wiseman looks like a potential monster so he's "my guy" right now but LaMelo could be a nice player.

Oh I like LaMelo the prospect too. But Dolan and Lavar would not be a good mix.

Not trying to be insensitive but that’s a lot of time off. He’s back with the team so maybe they don’t think he’s ready and it’s a team decision. But they desperately need to get something out of Smith.

In comment 14669465 TyreeHelmet said:

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Not trying to be insensitive but that’s a lot of time off. He’s back with the team so maybe they don’t think he’s ready and it’s a team decision. But they desperately need to get something out of Smith.

I don't disagree but it's not like he was contributing before the absence. He clearly needed more practice time after coming back from the injury. Missing more practices since then likely doesn't bode well going forward.

In comment 14669465 TyreeHelmet said:

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Not trying to be insensitive but that’s a lot of time off. He’s back with the team so maybe they don’t think he’s ready and it’s a team decision. But they desperately need to get something out of Smith.

They made it sound like he's still grieving. They didn't make him available to the media and it's not as if they have these hard hitting questions for him.

In comment 14669472 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 14669465 TyreeHelmet said: Quote: Not trying to be insensitive but that’s a lot of time off. He’s back with the team so maybe they don’t think he’s ready and it’s a team decision. But they desperately need to get something out of Smith. They made it sound like he's still grieving. They didn't make him available to the media and it's not as if they have these hard hitting questions for him.

Again not trying to be disrespectful about someone losing a loved one- but doesn't 2 weeks seem long to mourn?

And I'm not saying start him and play him 40 mins tonight. But hes 21 years old and should be able to give some minutes even if he hasn't practiced. Especially when the Knicks are down to one healthy point guard...

In comment 14669465 TyreeHelmet said:

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Not trying to be insensitive but that’s a lot of time off. He’s back with the team so maybe they don’t think he’s ready and it’s a team decision. But they desperately need to get something out of Smith.

probably want him to get a couple of practices in before throwing him back onto the court

Bucher is reported Curry is done for the year.I wonder if they look to trade Russell when hes eligible.

Would you want the Knicks to go after him? As long as no 1st round picks are involved, I think they should pursue it.

Randle and DSJ for Russell?

In comment 14669536 TyreeHelmet said:

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Bucher is reported Curry is done for the year.I wonder if they look to trade Russell when hes eligible. Would you want the Knicks to go after him? As long as no 1st round picks are involved, I think they should pursue it. Randle and DSJ for Russell?

Why would the warriors do that?

In comment 14669544 Jon in NYC said:

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In comment 14669536 TyreeHelmet said: Quote: Bucher is reported Curry is done for the year.I wonder if they look to trade Russell when hes eligible. Would you want the Knicks to go after him? As long as no 1st round picks are involved, I think they should pursue it. Randle and DSJ for Russell? Why would the warriors do that?

They probably wouldn't and could get more for him. But there have been rumors ever since they signed him that they expect to trad him. I bet he gets moved and they go all in on the tank and reload for next season.

And I'm sure the basketball gods will reward them over the Knicks LOL

In comment 14669554 TyreeHelmet said:

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In comment 14669544 Jon in NYC said: Quote: In comment 14669536 TyreeHelmet said: Quote: Bucher is reported Curry is done for the year.I wonder if they look to trade Russell when hes eligible. Would you want the Knicks to go after him? As long as no 1st round picks are involved, I think they should pursue it. Randle and DSJ for Russell? Why would the warriors do that? They probably wouldn't and could get more for him. But there have been rumors ever since they signed him that they expect to trad him. I bet he gets moved and they go all in on the tank and reload for next season.

oh yeah agree. i just dont think the Knicks are in a position to grab him. He'll go to a borderline competitor like Detroit or something

won't want expirings for Russell because they're over the cap anyway for the foreseeable future. If I'm them I want multiple quality players so I can round out the roster and build some depth. Maybe they have interest in some of the vets the Knicks signed but I doubt it.

and the Celtics bit. THe report says "treasure trove return" but no specifics other than Jaylon Brown was a piece. The speculation is that Ainge also put the #3 (was #1 before the Philly trade) on the table (article wasn't sure on the timing of the Celtics offer relative to the draft) which became Taytum, although apparently it would have been Markkanen if the pick went to the Knicks.

the story is that Jackson refused because of Dolan.

In comment 14669586 Bill L said:

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and the Celtics bit. THe report says "treasure trove return" but no specifics other than Jaylon Brown was a piece. The speculation is that Ainge also put the #3 (was #1 before the Philly trade) on the table (article wasn't sure on the timing of the Celtics offer relative to the draft) which became Taytum, although apparently it would have been Markkanen if the pick went to the Knicks.

Knicks would of taken josh jackson and markannen at their pick that was the rumor..

also phil was getting killed for wanting to trade kp

you probably would have to put up a couple firsts and maybe the charlotte 2nd round picks with expirings because the knicks do not have that young prospect to trade..

you are not trading barrett or mitch, and i dont know how the warriors value knox..

for trying to spin Porzingis while his value was still sky high, but his desire to take Josh Jackson completely nullifies that. I could've lived with trading KP for Fox or Tatum, even at the time. Jackson did not have much upside offensively to warrant that type of move.

In comment 14669605 bceagle05 said:

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for trying to spin Porzingis while his value was still sky high, but his desire to take Josh Jackson completely nullifies that. I could've lived with trading KP for Fox or Tatum, even at the time. Jackson did not have much upside offensively to warrant that type of move.

yup i was completely fine trading kp for a haul at the time

It really seems like Boston and Ainge wanted KP badly. They definitely could have put together a better package than Dallas.

I just wish they focused on receiving the maximum return for KP when they decided to trade him. They should have ignored dumping the contracts and gotten the best possible picks and players back. If the summer came and they needed the cap space, they could have always used picks- their own or whatever they received to free up cap space once for sure they knew they had a commitment.

In comment 14669619 TyreeHelmet said:

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It really seems like Boston and Ainge wanted KP badly. They definitely could have put together a better package than Dallas. I just wish they focused on receiving the maximum return for KP when they decided to trade him. They should have ignored dumping the contracts and gotten the best possible picks and players back. If the summer came and they needed the cap space, they could have always used picks- their own or whatever they received to free up cap space once for sure they knew they had a commitment.

i wish dolan let phil make the trade..

In comment 14669619 TyreeHelmet said:

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It really seems like Boston and Ainge wanted KP badly. They definitely could have put together a better package than Dallas. I just wish they focused on receiving the maximum return for KP when they decided to trade him. They should have ignored dumping the contracts and gotten the best possible picks and players back. If the summer came and they needed the cap space, they could have always used picks- their own or whatever they received to free up cap space once for sure they knew they had a commitment.

This was widely reported at the time. I believe the Knicks wanted Brown, their pick and the Nets pick. Boston said they could have Brown and one of the picks, but not all three assets and Phil walked away. Better than what they got (most likely, Dallas picks tbd) but it wouldn't have been a franchise-changing move. Plus, this was before KP tore his ACL.

Phil negotiating with Ainge terrified me then and terrifies me now.

everyone on this team except for Barrett for Cole Anthony. I'm on the bandwagon after one game.

In comment 14669619 TyreeHelmet said:

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It really seems like Boston and Ainge wanted KP badly. They definitely could have put together a better package than Dallas. I just wish they focused on receiving the maximum return for KP when they decided to trade him. They should have ignored dumping the contracts and gotten the best possible picks and players back. If the summer came and they needed the cap space, they could have always used picks- their own or whatever they received to free up cap space once for sure they knew they had a commitment.

ironically, it would appear Mills/Perry properly valued KP in the Dallas trade. If you believe the reports (from Lowe IIRC) that it would have taken one first rounder to move Lee and two first round picks to move Hardaway, that's a pretty hefty theoretical return. Even if it were only 4 picks coming back (maybe some swap rights as well), that's still a lot.

In comment 14669642 Jon in NYC said:

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everyone on this team except for Barrett for Cole Anthony. I'm on the bandwagon after one game.

Our next high draft pick - presumably this season - is gonna make or break us going forward. Usually you get to draft two good young players before you graduate out of the ranks of the bottom-feeders. It would've been KP and Barrett, but KP came and went. Now it's Barrett + the next guy. Cole Anthony, James Wiseman, Anthony Edwards - I'll take my chances with them.

I know randle has played bad to start but randle, morris and rj are the teams best scorers right?

why does he not stagger them with his rotations? you can keep 2 of them in all game, why does he always start the 2md and 4th with none of them on the court?

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The NCAA has ruled Memphis F/C James Wiseman -- the possible No. 1 overall pick in 2020 NBA Draft -- ineligible, his lawyers said in Memphis.

In comment 14669727 Strahan91 said:

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Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn · 39s The NCAA has ruled Memphis F/C James Wiseman -- the possible No. 1 overall pick in 2020 NBA Draft -- ineligible, his lawyers said in Memphis.

probably took money

penny hardaway helped them move

so when he was 7 penny hardaway knew he would be good and that he would coach for memphis

In comment 14669732 nygiants16 said:

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so when he was 7 penny hardaway knew he would be good and that he would coach for memphis

I don't think that's right. Wiseman didn't move to Memphis until his sophomore year of HS. Must be a typo meaning 2018, not 2008.

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Seems a little odd considering this news.

about college basketball corruption? I see it had a real impact on him.

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about college basketball corruption? I see it had a real impact on him.

haha yup, and his mom in the movie gets a new house near the school

In comment 14668994 Enzo said:

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a bit of a diva and had every right to try and get out of NY. But the NBA CBA is specifically designed so that teams get to keep franchise players (or potential franchise players) on a second contract if they want them. Leave it to the Knicks to be the probably the first team to completely fuck up that built-in advantage and end up with a bunch of clowns on 1+1 deals to show for it.

Bingo.

but man is he a big douche on the court

Try and get Timmy Hardaway
Back - overpay and then get rid of him?

Hallelujah.

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In comment 14669834 GiantsUA said:

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Try and get Timmy Hardaway Back - overpay and then get rid of him?

you shut your mouth right now

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In comment 14669605 bceagle05 said: Quote: for trying to spin Porzingis while his value was still sky high, but his desire to take Josh Jackson completely nullifies that. I could've lived with trading KP for Fox or Tatum, even at the time. Jackson did not have much upside offensively to warrant that type of move. yup i was completely fine trading kp for a haul at the time

I wasn’t but in retrospect we’d have been much better off doing it then vs last year.

In comment 14669843 djm said:

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In comment 14669613 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 14669605 bceagle05 said: Quote: for trying to spin Porzingis while his value was still sky high, but his desire to take Josh Jackson completely nullifies that. I could've lived with trading KP for Fox or Tatum, even at the time. Jackson did not have much upside offensively to warrant that type of move. yup i was completely fine trading kp for a haul at the time I wasn’t but in retrospect we’d have been much better off doing it then vs last year.

i remember you hated people mentioning it haha, you yelled at me a few times

he makes one shot then starts trying to do to much, he doesnt have a handle, stop trying to take step back long twos jist stop

In comment 14669844 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 14669843 djm said: Quote: In comment 14669613 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 14669605 bceagle05 said: Quote: for trying to spin Porzingis while his value was still sky high, but his desire to take Josh Jackson completely nullifies that. I could've lived with trading KP for Fox or Tatum, even at the time. Jackson did not have much upside offensively to warrant that type of move. yup i was completely fine trading kp for a haul at the time I wasn’t but in retrospect we’d have been much better off doing it then vs last year. i remember you hated people mentioning it haha, you yelled at me a few times

I did sorry. I yell often here lol... you were right to trade him then.

.. I was never this angry discussing sports but the Knicks and giants have just sucked the life out of any hope of sports escapism. One thing to be bad for 1-2-3 years but this is ridiculous.

to get a foul call

Love it.

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Love it.

they are going to overturn it