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Morning career discussion: You take Eli or Rivers?

Beezer : 11/8/2019 9:38 am
The guys filling in for Dan Patrick this morning have this as their poll question. I’m blown away by people calling in to say if they could take one career or the other, they’d take Rivers’ body of work.

One guy even summed it up this way: California, nine babies, and infinite wealth.

Really?

What about two championship MVPs on top of the two rings. NYC, three babies and infinite wealth? (With which you can vacation in California, or anywhere. Hell, everywhere!)

It seems a silly question and not only because I’m a Giants Fam and have enjoyed this era of Eli. It’s just an easy pick because isn’t the whole point of this for players to win the big one? Eli did it twice, while Rivers has failed to play in one.
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The whole point of sports is to win.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/8/2019 9:40 am : link
Eli 2, Philip 0. And I bet Rivers would rather have Eli's rings than any personal career accomplishments.
Not even a discussion..  
Sean : 11/8/2019 9:42 am : link
Eli.
Eli's career  
Chris684 : 11/8/2019 9:42 am : link
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What's funny is....  
Britt in VA : 11/8/2019 9:45 am : link
what accomplishments does Rivers have that Eli doesn't, really?

Yeah, okay.... He has more wins. Great. Let's say the Football is a team game. You could say Eli's 2 Superbowl's outweigh Rivers' regular season wins but for this argument let's call it a wash.

They're both top ten all time in statistical categories like passing yards and TD's.

Yeah, Eli threw more picks, but is only 15th all time. Rivers is 35th all time so it's not some great divide.

Ben is right in the mix, too.

These three QB's are all in the top 10 all times in major statistical categories, and all have been major parts of the story of the NFL in the past 15 years. MAJOR parts.

The only other QB class that is even comparable is 1983 and they are all in.

IMO, if one of them is in, all of them are in. That's the story.
The  
Les in TO : 11/8/2019 9:45 am : link
Comparison of babies and locations made it seem like it was which life you’d rather have not career

And with nine babies to feed clothe board educate and entertain Rivers is going to have to do a lot of post career endorsement work to maintain that wealth
Are they going to say Rivers is an Iron Man?  
Britt in VA : 11/8/2019 9:46 am : link
Well, so is Eli.

Giants fandom aside  
UConn4523 : 11/8/2019 9:46 am : link
I don’t see how anyone can chose Rivers’ career over Eli’s. Elis 2 playoff runs will forever be remembered throughout the history of the game. No one will remember Rivers’ almost SB birth.

And if we are talking money, Eli has that over Rivers as well. Also plays in an infinitely better city.

It isnt remotely close. And fuck off with 9 kids.
Yea, the whole 9 kids thing...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/8/2019 9:47 am : link
Should we applaud him for that? I only have 1 so far & the thought of 8 more...(banging head on desk).
caller  
jestersdead : 11/8/2019 9:48 am : link
why would the caller cite having 9 kids as a positive? 9 kids is going to cost more money than 4 kids. Plus, Im pretty sure Eli has made more off the field than Rivers. Only advantage Rivers has is playing in Southern California and a market that barely knows they exist.

I lived in SD from 2003-2010, the, Chargers used to get blacked on b/c they couldn't sell enough tickets. When the Giants played there for their first time, the Chargers made you buy a bulk NFC East opponent package as that was their only hope of selling tickets.

2 Super Bowls and 2 SB MVPs outweighs any regular season success Rivers has had
Tony Romo had a lot of regular season wins too.  
Britt in VA : 11/8/2019 9:50 am : link
Is he a HOF'er?
Hilarious question.  
bceagle05 : 11/8/2019 9:50 am : link
There’s absolutely no comparison, and deep down even Rivers knows he’d take Eli’s career.
I don't see much of a case for Rivers there.  
bigbluehoya : 11/8/2019 9:52 am : link
The more interesting one is Eli vs Ben, most especially if you ring-fence it to football / on-field stuff.
A lot of blinded homers here  
lawguy9801 : 11/8/2019 9:54 am : link
Yes, it is a reasonable question to ask, and arguments can be made both ways. Yes, the two SBs, and no one can take that from Eli. But year in, year out, you can argue that Rivers has played more consistently at a high level.
RE: A lot of blinded homers here  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/8/2019 9:56 am : link
In comment 14669064 lawguy9801 said:
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Yes, it is a reasonable question to ask, and arguments can be made both ways. Yes, the two SBs, and no one can take that from Eli. But year in, year out, you can argue that Rivers has played more consistently at a high level.


I think the ? is, if I'm reading it correctly, whose career would you rather, not who is better.
Yeah, blinded homers....  
Britt in VA : 11/8/2019 9:56 am : link
and what does Rivers have to show for that at the end of the day?

9 kids, and what else?
Football wise  
section125 : 11/8/2019 9:57 am : link
is there a comparison?

Eli has two rings, Rivers never got to the SB.

California as a plus? 13.5% income tax...Beautiful state, full of wacky people, weird ideas and rampant natural disasters.....(It truly is a beautiful place when it is not burning or mud sliding)

As far as 4 or 9 kids, neither have to worry about paying for them. But River's wife must be ready to cut that thing off by now[j/k].
Rivers threw high all night long last evening  
Jimmy Googs : 11/8/2019 9:58 am : link
and didn't help my fantasy team whatsoever as my normal starting QB had a bye.

So with that said screw him...I take Eli!
How is this even a question  
ZogZerg : 11/8/2019 9:59 am : link
A bunch know nothing clowns must be asking.

Rivers BLEW his chances of winning the ring. Chargers had a number of good teams to do it with, but he couldn't beat the GOAT.

Eli could.

End of discussion.
RE: A lot of blinded homers here  
UConn4523 : 11/8/2019 9:59 am : link
In comment 14669064 lawguy9801 said:
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Yes, it is a reasonable question to ask, and arguments can be made both ways. Yes, the two SBs, and no one can take that from Eli. But year in, year out, you can argue that Rivers has played more consistently at a high level.


Maybe he did, and that's one of the few notches in River's belt. But are you taking a consistent career in San Diego where you're luck to not get your game blacked out to hoisting 2 Lombardi's for New York City, all while being in or around the top 10 in every major statistical category for the position?

He's also got more money and less kids (a good thing in my book). And if he wants to move to sunny San Diego, he can do that.
If we're going back it time...  
BamaBlue : 11/8/2019 10:00 am : link
I'm killing Hitler and investing in Microsoft Stock, not picking the Giants quarterback.

Maybe... just maybe, both guys are great NFL quarterbacks and the separation between the two comes down to what you think about their performance over the recent (last 5 years) past?
"Eli face," immobility, the stupid backwards shoulder roll after  
lawguy9801 : 11/8/2019 10:02 am : link
another dumb interception. The BS about him being a "quiet leader" - I watched enough complete stinkers over the Eli/Coughlin era to know that no one was scared of Eli's reaction if they didn't give 100% effort or otherwise messed up.

Recall Tiki Barber's statement in the mid-2000s about how comical it was to see Eli try to take command.

He's a great person and it could have been a lot worse over the past 15 years, but I'm not going to look back at the Eli era overly fondly as many here will. How can anyone sit here and confidently say that the team overall would have been less successful with Ben or Rivers? We'll never know, but as Bill Parcells said, you are what your record says you are - and he is a .500 QB who happened to have two great playoff runs, but little more.

Sorry.
You have to count the playoffs and SBs  
cjac : 11/8/2019 10:03 am : link
but if you're just looking at numbers Rivers was the better QB. None of that matters without championships, but Rivers was better.

You have to admit, there was a lot of ugly with Eli.

When all is said and done, they'll both be in the Hall of Fame.
RE:  
Britt in VA : 11/8/2019 10:04 am : link
In comment 14669083 lawguy9801 said:
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another dumb interception. The BS about him being a "quiet leader" - I watched enough complete stinkers over the Eli/Coughlin era to know that no one was scared of Eli's reaction if they didn't give 100% effort or otherwise messed up.

Recall Tiki Barber's statement in the mid-2000s about how comical it was to see Eli try to take command.

He's a great person and it could have been a lot worse over the past 15 years, but I'm not going to look back at the Eli era overly fondly as many here will. How can anyone sit here and confidently say that the team overall would have been less successful with Ben or Rivers? We'll never know, but as Bill Parcells said, you are what your record says you are - and he is a .500 QB who happened to have two great playoff runs, but little more.

Sorry.


This is a pathetic take and I feel sorry for you as a Giants fan if that's how you view all that. You really missed the boat.
Lawguy  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/8/2019 10:04 am : link
He is a 2X Super Bowl champion. You're not going to recall his time here fondly? Come on man.
And if anything "isn't close,"  
lawguy9801 : 11/8/2019 10:04 am : link
it's a comparison of San Diego (basically paradise on earth in the lower 48 states) vs NYC.
Now go ahead and tell me that there aren't Giants fans....  
Britt in VA : 11/8/2019 10:06 am : link
that despise Eli and always have. Go ahead.
RE: Lawguy  
lawguy9801 : 11/8/2019 10:06 am : link
In comment 14669087 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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He is a 2X Super Bowl champion. You're not going to recall his time here fondly? Come on man.


I'll recall the 2007 and 2011 playoffs fondly. The 2011 playoffs were the pinnacle of his career. But he did nothing after that.
RE: And if anything  
Britt in VA : 11/8/2019 10:07 am : link
In comment 14669090 lawguy9801 said:
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it's a comparison of San Diego (basically paradise on earth in the lower 48 states) vs NYC.


We're talking about playing football. San Diego was such a football paradise that the Chargers moved to.... LA.
When ever you see these debates about Rivers/Eli/Ben  
figgy2989 : 11/8/2019 10:07 am : link
I always think, if it were Rivers or Ben who had been the Giants QB since 2004, do we still have 2 SB victories?

Not only those 2 SB victories, but handling all that comes with being a QB in NY. My answer is always no.

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lawguy9801 : 11/8/2019 10:08 am : link
In comment 14669085 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 14669083 lawguy9801 said:


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another dumb interception. The BS about him being a "quiet leader" - I watched enough complete stinkers over the Eli/Coughlin era to know that no one was scared of Eli's reaction if they didn't give 100% effort or otherwise messed up.

Recall Tiki Barber's statement in the mid-2000s about how comical it was to see Eli try to take command.

He's a great person and it could have been a lot worse over the past 15 years, but I'm not going to look back at the Eli era overly fondly as many here will. How can anyone sit here and confidently say that the team overall would have been less successful with Ben or Rivers? We'll never know, but as Bill Parcells said, you are what your record says you are - and he is a .500 QB who happened to have two great playoff runs, but little more.

Sorry.



This is a pathetic take and I feel sorry for you as a Giants fan if that's how you view all that. You really missed the boat.


This is the take of basically every NFL fan who is not a Giants homer.
RE: A lot of blinded homers here  
figgy2989 : 11/8/2019 10:10 am : link
In comment 14669064 lawguy9801 said:
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Yes, it is a reasonable question to ask, and arguments can be made both ways. Yes, the two SBs, and no one can take that from Eli. But year in, year out, you can argue that Rivers has played more consistently at a high level.


Just a terrible take here.
and it's certainly a blazing hot take.  
Britt in VA : 11/8/2019 10:10 am : link
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I'll take the guy who proved he could win the big game.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/8/2019 10:11 am : link
You can take the "body of work".
RE: I'll take the guy who proved he could win the big game.  
figgy2989 : 11/8/2019 10:12 am : link
In comment 14669105 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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You can take the "body of work".


RE: The whole point of sports is to win.  
Fort Mill Mike : 11/8/2019 10:25 am : link
In comment 14669041 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Eli 2, Philip 0. And I bet Rivers would rather have Eli's rings than any personal career accomplishments.


Has Rivers ever even a playoff game?
RE: And if anything  
UConn4523 : 11/8/2019 10:26 am : link
In comment 14669090 lawguy9801 said:
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it's a comparison of San Diego (basically paradise on earth in the lower 48 states) vs NYC.


So how's playing in an empty stadium and it being blacked out locally?

I have no idea what your issue is but you really aren't making any sense. And people don't choose to live in NYC because of the weather, did you really not know that?
and I'd say doing this "poll"  
UConn4523 : 11/8/2019 10:27 am : link
makes a lot more sense for Eli vs. Ben. It doesn't make any sense with Rivers, his career is a distant 3rd to the other 2 (and I fucking hate Roethlisberger).
RE:  
Giants in 07 : 11/8/2019 10:29 am : link
In comment 14669083 lawguy9801 said:
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another dumb interception. The BS about him being a "quiet leader" - I watched enough complete stinkers over the Eli/Coughlin era to know that no one was scared of Eli's reaction if they didn't give 100% effort or otherwise messed up.

Recall Tiki Barber's statement in the mid-2000s about how comical it was to see Eli try to take command.

He's a great person and it could have been a lot worse over the past 15 years, but I'm not going to look back at the Eli era overly fondly as many here will. How can anyone sit here and confidently say that the team overall would have been less successful with Ben or Rivers? We'll never know, but as Bill Parcells said, you are what your record says you are - and he is a .500 QB who happened to have two great playoff runs, but little more.

Sorry.


Imagine being this miserable of a person
RE: RE: The whole point of sports is to win.  
Britt in VA : 11/8/2019 10:30 am : link
In comment 14669130 Fort Mill Mike said:
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In comment 14669041 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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Eli 2, Philip 0. And I bet Rivers would rather have Eli's rings than any personal career accomplishments.



Has Rivers ever even a playoff game?


Manning has been to the playoffs 6 times. He is 8-4

Rivers has been to the playoffs 6 times. He is 5-6
you don't have to imagine it  
UConn4523 : 11/8/2019 10:30 am : link
just read BBI daily and you will be reminded how miserable much of this board is.
2 super bowl MVP’s  
Giant John : 11/8/2019 10:35 am : link
Settle the case for me. And it’s not close.
RE: you don't have to imagine it  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/8/2019 10:35 am : link
In comment 14669141 UConn4523 said:
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just read BBI daily and you will be reminded how miserable much of this board is.


I really can't fathom a Giants fan saying to themselves, 'Ya know... 2 Super Bowls aside, I don't look back fondly on the Eli era.'

I just, uh, don't get it.
Eli  
rocco8112 : 11/8/2019 10:40 am : link
All of the big three from 2004 became franchise guys.

Eli is my guy, faced the best and won, carried the mail in the big city for a decade plus, two of the greatest plays/drives in Super Bowl history, class act all the way, face of the franchise, unreal durability, simply the best.

He made all his targets better, Smith was an all pro before being hurt, Boss and Ballard, he helped make Cruz a fucking champion and superstar, Manningham immortalized on NFL films and losing players who never sniffed a roster after leaving the Giants,like Reuben Randle,were productive with Eli. Beckham's career is in full nose dive now, think he can wake up from the haze of narcissm to realize the role Eli played in helping him reach his dream of being internet famous? Mayfield is on the train to bustville and looks lost and inaccurate? The Browns would kill to have Mayfield end up half as good and consistently productive as Easy-E.

It's not so easy to play QB week after week, year after year.

Watching San Diego last night and seeing how the Giants are still hot garbage despite kicking the king of lightning rods to the curb, makes me think Eli can still play.

Once Eli became a big boy in the league the Giants offenses produced season after season. Once tweedle dumb became coach in 2016 ( based on an OC career carried by Eli), the offense cratered. The Offense last year even started to improve with Eli at the helm. Eli's biggest issue is he was not good enough anymore to hoist a broken roster on his back and carry two consecutive incompetent head coaches, so the losses piled up. Eli also never got hurt so he was out there for the good, bad and the ugly.

Eli had two careers here, he was consisent, productive and available for them all. As the team collapsed around him and the front office scapegoated a HoF coach for two losers, Eli's record went south.

Eli should be be a stone cold lock for the Hall of Fame, Rivers has a case too, but give me Eli.
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rocco8112 : 11/8/2019 10:41 am : link
In comment 14669138 Giants in 07 said:
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In comment 14669083 lawguy9801 said:


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another dumb interception. The BS about him being a "quiet leader" - I watched enough complete stinkers over the Eli/Coughlin era to know that no one was scared of Eli's reaction if they didn't give 100% effort or otherwise messed up.

Recall Tiki Barber's statement in the mid-2000s about how comical it was to see Eli try to take command.

He's a great person and it could have been a lot worse over the past 15 years, but I'm not going to look back at the Eli era overly fondly as many here will. How can anyone sit here and confidently say that the team overall would have been less successful with Ben or Rivers? We'll never know, but as Bill Parcells said, you are what your record says you are - and he is a .500 QB who happened to have two great playoff runs, but little more.

Sorry.



Imagine being this miserable of a person


I hope Jones has a career as average as you describe Eli's
RE: Football wise  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/8/2019 10:41 am : link
In comment 14669069 section125 said:
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is there a comparison?

Eli has two rings, Rivers never got to the SB.

California as a plus? 13.5% income tax...Beautiful state, full of wacky people, weird ideas and rampant natural disasters.....(It truly is a beautiful place when it is not burning or mud sliding)

As far as 4 or 9 kids, neither have to worry about paying for them. But River's wife must be ready to cut that thing off by now[j/k].


Doesn't NYC have a high income tax as well? And people live in NY because they have to, its where many of the high paying jobs are. California is somewhere where way more people would actually choose to live if money wasn't an issue.
You could argue that in good weather, with different teammates  
CT Charlie : 11/8/2019 10:44 am : link
and different coaching in the latter stage of his career, Eli would have had comparable year-to-year stats to Ben's. But it's hard to argue that Ben (or many QB's, really) could accomplish what Eli did on those historic underdog-beats-top-dog championship runs that Eli had. Sure, our dominant defenses were HUGE, but Eli's clutch play on the road and in the cold will be matched by few QB's ever, and should be celebrated by true fans of the game.
Vis a vis Big Ben...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/8/2019 10:48 am : link
I'm convinced that if we drafted him, knowing his past off the field lifestyle, he'd be in year 10 or so of a long jail sentence.
There was a reason  
joeinpa : 11/8/2019 10:49 am : link
Archie wouldn’t allow Eli to go to San Diego
RE: Vis a vis Big Ben...  
UConn4523 : 11/8/2019 10:53 am : link
In comment 14669165 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I'm convinced that if we drafted him, knowing his past off the field lifestyle, he'd be in year 10 or so of a long jail sentence.


I think of that too. Maybe not jail but I don't see him doing well in NY. That rape thing would have buried him here. I could also see him clashing with Coughlin. He ended up in the perfect spot.
RE:  
Chris684 : 11/8/2019 10:56 am : link
In comment 14669083 lawguy9801 said:
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another dumb interception. The BS about him being a "quiet leader" - I watched enough complete stinkers over the Eli/Coughlin era to know that no one was scared of Eli's reaction if they didn't give 100% effort or otherwise messed up.

Recall Tiki Barber's statement in the mid-2000s about how comical it was to see Eli try to take command.

He's a great person and it could have been a lot worse over the past 15 years, but I'm not going to look back at the Eli era overly fondly as many here will. How can anyone sit here and confidently say that the team overall would have been less successful with Ben or Rivers? We'll never know, but as Bill Parcells said, you are what your record says you are - and he is a .500 QB who happened to have two great playoff runs, but little more.

Sorry.


There are a lot more "Giants fans" who feel this way. A lot more.

I find it so weird.
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