The guys filling in for Dan Patrick this morning have this as their poll question. I’m blown away by people calling in to say if they could take one career or the other, they’d take Rivers’ body of work.
One guy even summed it up this way: California, nine babies, and infinite wealth.
Really?
What about two championship MVPs on top of the two rings. NYC, three babies and infinite wealth? (With which you can vacation in California, or anywhere. Hell, everywhere!)
It seems a silly question and not only because I’m a Giants Fam and have enjoyed this era of Eli. It’s just an easy pick because isn’t the whole point of this for players to win the big one? Eli did it twice, while Rivers has failed to play in one.
Yeah, okay.... He has more wins. Great. Let's say the Football is a team game. You could say Eli's 2 Superbowl's outweigh Rivers' regular season wins but for this argument let's call it a wash.
They're both top ten all time in statistical categories like passing yards and TD's.
Yeah, Eli threw more picks, but is only 15th all time. Rivers is 35th all time so it's not some great divide.
Ben is right in the mix, too.
These three QB's are all in the top 10 all times in major statistical categories, and all have been major parts of the story of the NFL in the past 15 years. MAJOR parts.
The only other QB class that is even comparable is 1983 and they are all in.
IMO, if one of them is in, all of them are in. That's the story.
And with nine babies to feed clothe board educate and entertain Rivers is going to have to do a lot of post career endorsement work to maintain that wealth
And if we are talking money, Eli has that over Rivers as well. Also plays in an infinitely better city.
It isnt remotely close. And fuck off with 9 kids.
I lived in SD from 2003-2010, the, Chargers used to get blacked on b/c they couldn't sell enough tickets. When the Giants played there for their first time, the Chargers made you buy a bulk NFC East opponent package as that was their only hope of selling tickets.
2 Super Bowls and 2 SB MVPs outweighs any regular season success Rivers has had
I think the ? is, if I'm reading it correctly, whose career would you rather, not who is better.
9 kids, and what else?
Eli has two rings, Rivers never got to the SB.
California as a plus? 13.5% income tax...Beautiful state, full of wacky people, weird ideas and rampant natural disasters.....(It truly is a beautiful place when it is not burning or mud sliding)
As far as 4 or 9 kids, neither have to worry about paying for them. But River's wife must be ready to cut that thing off by now[j/k].
So with that said screw him...I take Eli!
Rivers BLEW his chances of winning the ring. Chargers had a number of good teams to do it with, but he couldn't beat the GOAT.
Eli could.
End of discussion.
Maybe he did, and that's one of the few notches in River's belt. But are you taking a consistent career in San Diego where you're luck to not get your game blacked out to hoisting 2 Lombardi's for New York City, all while being in or around the top 10 in every major statistical category for the position?
He's also got more money and less kids (a good thing in my book). And if he wants to move to sunny San Diego, he can do that.
Maybe... just maybe, both guys are great NFL quarterbacks and the separation between the two comes down to what you think about their performance over the recent (last 5 years) past?
Recall Tiki Barber's statement in the mid-2000s about how comical it was to see Eli try to take command.
He's a great person and it could have been a lot worse over the past 15 years, but I'm not going to look back at the Eli era overly fondly as many here will. How can anyone sit here and confidently say that the team overall would have been less successful with Ben or Rivers? We'll never know, but as Bill Parcells said, you are what your record says you are - and he is a .500 QB who happened to have two great playoff runs, but little more.
Sorry.
You have to admit, there was a lot of ugly with Eli.
When all is said and done, they'll both be in the Hall of Fame.
Recall Tiki Barber's statement in the mid-2000s about how comical it was to see Eli try to take command.
He's a great person and it could have been a lot worse over the past 15 years, but I'm not going to look back at the Eli era overly fondly as many here will. How can anyone sit here and confidently say that the team overall would have been less successful with Ben or Rivers? We'll never know, but as Bill Parcells said, you are what your record says you are - and he is a .500 QB who happened to have two great playoff runs, but little more.
Sorry.
This is a pathetic take and I feel sorry for you as a Giants fan if that's how you view all that. You really missed the boat.
I'll recall the 2007 and 2011 playoffs fondly. The 2011 playoffs were the pinnacle of his career. But he did nothing after that.
We're talking about playing football. San Diego was such a football paradise that the Chargers moved to.... LA.
Not only those 2 SB victories, but handling all that comes with being a QB in NY. My answer is always no.
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another dumb interception. The BS about him being a "quiet leader" - I watched enough complete stinkers over the Eli/Coughlin era to know that no one was scared of Eli's reaction if they didn't give 100% effort or otherwise messed up.
Recall Tiki Barber's statement in the mid-2000s about how comical it was to see Eli try to take command.
He's a great person and it could have been a lot worse over the past 15 years, but I'm not going to look back at the Eli era overly fondly as many here will. How can anyone sit here and confidently say that the team overall would have been less successful with Ben or Rivers? We'll never know, but as Bill Parcells said, you are what your record says you are - and he is a .500 QB who happened to have two great playoff runs, but little more.
Sorry.
This is a pathetic take and I feel sorry for you as a Giants fan if that's how you view all that. You really missed the boat.
This is the take of basically every NFL fan who is not a Giants homer.
Just a terrible take here.
Has Rivers ever even a playoff game?
So how's playing in an empty stadium and it being blacked out locally?
I have no idea what your issue is but you really aren't making any sense. And people don't choose to live in NYC because of the weather, did you really not know that?
Recall Tiki Barber's statement in the mid-2000s about how comical it was to see Eli try to take command.
He's a great person and it could have been a lot worse over the past 15 years, but I'm not going to look back at the Eli era overly fondly as many here will. How can anyone sit here and confidently say that the team overall would have been less successful with Ben or Rivers? We'll never know, but as Bill Parcells said, you are what your record says you are - and he is a .500 QB who happened to have two great playoff runs, but little more.
Sorry.
Imagine being this miserable of a person
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Eli 2, Philip 0. And I bet Rivers would rather have Eli's rings than any personal career accomplishments.
Has Rivers ever even a playoff game?
Manning has been to the playoffs 6 times. He is 8-4
Rivers has been to the playoffs 6 times. He is 5-6
I really can't fathom a Giants fan saying to themselves, 'Ya know... 2 Super Bowls aside, I don't look back fondly on the Eli era.'
I just, uh, don't get it.
Eli is my guy, faced the best and won, carried the mail in the big city for a decade plus, two of the greatest plays/drives in Super Bowl history, class act all the way, face of the franchise, unreal durability, simply the best.
He made all his targets better, Smith was an all pro before being hurt, Boss and Ballard, he helped make Cruz a fucking champion and superstar, Manningham immortalized on NFL films and losing players who never sniffed a roster after leaving the Giants,like Reuben Randle,were productive with Eli. Beckham's career is in full nose dive now, think he can wake up from the haze of narcissm to realize the role Eli played in helping him reach his dream of being internet famous? Mayfield is on the train to bustville and looks lost and inaccurate? The Browns would kill to have Mayfield end up half as good and consistently productive as Easy-E.
It's not so easy to play QB week after week, year after year.
Watching San Diego last night and seeing how the Giants are still hot garbage despite kicking the king of lightning rods to the curb, makes me think Eli can still play.
Once Eli became a big boy in the league the Giants offenses produced season after season. Once tweedle dumb became coach in 2016 ( based on an OC career carried by Eli), the offense cratered. The Offense last year even started to improve with Eli at the helm. Eli's biggest issue is he was not good enough anymore to hoist a broken roster on his back and carry two consecutive incompetent head coaches, so the losses piled up. Eli also never got hurt so he was out there for the good, bad and the ugly.
Eli had two careers here, he was consisent, productive and available for them all. As the team collapsed around him and the front office scapegoated a HoF coach for two losers, Eli's record went south.
Eli should be be a stone cold lock for the Hall of Fame, Rivers has a case too, but give me Eli.
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another dumb interception. The BS about him being a "quiet leader" - I watched enough complete stinkers over the Eli/Coughlin era to know that no one was scared of Eli's reaction if they didn't give 100% effort or otherwise messed up.
Recall Tiki Barber's statement in the mid-2000s about how comical it was to see Eli try to take command.
He's a great person and it could have been a lot worse over the past 15 years, but I'm not going to look back at the Eli era overly fondly as many here will. How can anyone sit here and confidently say that the team overall would have been less successful with Ben or Rivers? We'll never know, but as Bill Parcells said, you are what your record says you are - and he is a .500 QB who happened to have two great playoff runs, but little more.
Sorry.
Imagine being this miserable of a person
I hope Jones has a career as average as you describe Eli's
Eli has two rings, Rivers never got to the SB.
California as a plus? 13.5% income tax...Beautiful state, full of wacky people, weird ideas and rampant natural disasters.....(It truly is a beautiful place when it is not burning or mud sliding)
As far as 4 or 9 kids, neither have to worry about paying for them. But River's wife must be ready to cut that thing off by now[j/k].
Doesn't NYC have a high income tax as well? And people live in NY because they have to, its where many of the high paying jobs are. California is somewhere where way more people would actually choose to live if money wasn't an issue.
I think of that too. Maybe not jail but I don't see him doing well in NY. That rape thing would have buried him here. I could also see him clashing with Coughlin. He ended up in the perfect spot.
Recall Tiki Barber's statement in the mid-2000s about how comical it was to see Eli try to take command.
He's a great person and it could have been a lot worse over the past 15 years, but I'm not going to look back at the Eli era overly fondly as many here will. How can anyone sit here and confidently say that the team overall would have been less successful with Ben or Rivers? We'll never know, but as Bill Parcells said, you are what your record says you are - and he is a .500 QB who happened to have two great playoff runs, but little more.
Sorry.
There are a lot more "Giants fans" who feel this way. A lot more.
I find it so weird.