if we want real change to happen. I think many here are underplaying a loss to the Jets. I suspect Mara was too trusting in DG and with DG's health a question (he has been noticeably out of the public eye for a guy who loves to hear himself talk and be in front of the cameras)and I think that may be the "excuse/reason" he is removed after the season and PS gone so the new GM can pick his own coach.
This game, if the Gmen lose badly will be the death knell for PS!
if we want real change to happen. I think many here are underplaying a loss to the Jets. I suspect Mara was too trusting in DG and with DG's health a question (he has been noticeably out of the public eye for a guy who loves to hear himself talk and be in front of the cameras)and I think that may be the "excuse/reason" he is removed after the season and PS gone so the new GM can pick his own coach.
This game, if the Gmen lose badly will be the death knell for PS!
Unfortunately, if the Giants do move on from Gettleman we all know that Mara will just orchestrate another BS GM search and end up handing the job over to Kevin Abrams who has very little experience as a talent evaluator.
That being said, I honestly think the Jets are going to win. I have such little faith in the Giants' defense that I expect Sam Darnold to suddenly "find the light" and play well. Sam won't see ghosts... he'll see Robby Anderson uncovered on a deep in route or 5 yards behind Antoine Bethea.
As for the Giants offense, all I know is they'll probably be in the fucking shotgun formation all damn day and not score TDs when/if they get into the red zone.
Guy is terrible.
I'm nowhere near the fire Gettleman club though. I may be in the minority but I think he has made mostly really good changes for this team and it has been a refreshing change from Reese. While it appears on the surface that we have a talent issue, to me the bad play is so widespread that it looks more like poor preparation and strategy. Piss poor coaching can make even very talented teams look like dogshit.
PS is the only major bad choice I see but I wouldn't be surprised to learn he was a Mara choice.
I may not even watch sunday. We cant even get 2 solid months of football anymore. In todays NFL all we need to be is competitive...yet we cant even do that.
That being said, I honestly think the Jets are going to win. I have such little faith in the Giants' defense that I expect Sam Darnold to suddenly "find the light" and play well. Sam won't see ghosts... he'll see Robby Anderson uncovered on a deep in route or 5 yards behind Antoine Bethea.
As for the Giants offense, all I know is they'll probably be in the fucking shotgun formation all damn day and not score TDs when/if they get into the red zone.
You just agreed with me but I'm supposed to step off the ledge?
Management and ownership of this team haven't the slightest clue. Three years of being one of the league's laughingstocks, and I increasingly believe that the "next year we have cap room" argument will turn out to be a mirage.
I'm never going to stop being a fan, but I'm gonna need to start finding better things to do than actively support and take valuable time out of my life to devote to this fucking loser organization.
Although, the offense has actually given up at least a couple of TDs, and so many turnovers, that they need to be responsible for some of those aggregate points.
In a few games this year, as much as they suck, the Defense has played good enough to win.
based on what metric? DG has had 2 years and this team is as bad as it was 2 years ago, even with Barkley. I do still like the Jones pick, but that is still up in the air in terms of panning out. We know Reese wanted to move on from Eli in 2017. DG has picked 2nd and 6th overall, and will, most likely, be picking 6th or higher again because the team his put together sucks. His FA signings, by in large, have been terrible. He said he would fix the O-line and quick, major fail.
Having said all that, I'm ok with giving him another year as long as Shurmur is canned.
lose 2 of those 3 games. Let alone all three. It's possible. If that's the case wow. Heads need to roll. Shurmur for sure and Betcher with him. Of course if Shurmur goes they all go.
The franchise is a mess, i.e. the late 1970's. Even Barkley isn't playing well, ankle or no ankle.
I'm not necessarily ready to give up on Gettleman...he has made some tough calls (Beckham, drafting DJ very high, etc). He has shown that he has some balls, I'll give him that.
But...they might need to do the "George Young" thing and get someone outside the "crony" network to fix this. The Mara's need to step back and let someone who knows what they are doing fix this pile of s*it.
The Jets will beat the Giants on Sunday and the shit show will accelerate to a new level.
Mara has said over and over that the worse thing is apathy Â
This review has it in spades. Will the Giants win? Who cares. What will happen if they lose? Probably nothing, but if its not a complete strip down from the front office on down, again who cares. Half measures like Bettcher losing his job wouldn't change the fact that his side of the ball doesn't have a player that scares the other team.
Clash of the young quarterbacks? Again, who cares? Jones will fumble, get sacked a ton and perhaps throw a pick or two. It won't mean much since the defense won't be able to stop Darnold or Bell if he plays.
I don't mind rebuilding. Every team goes through it. What I do mind is dumb decisions, like trading away draft assets for a player not signed after this year that only make a difficult process harder. Point is, I don't see light at the end of the tunnel. I don't see a unit that has improved last year to this to say the team is building around. We are mired in mediocrity that is likely to continue because I'm not sure the people steering the ship no how to get the team out of it. Again, who cares?
Clearly the coaching staff needs to if we end up
2-14 they will have no choice !
Maybe they some how win a few more it just hurts the
draft position .They should have moved Engram and Jenkins
It seems we have put resources into DT's and not
DE's .The poor numbers are staggering !
You wonder how long Mara is content to sit in the owners box Â
and watch fans of other teams come in and take over his stadium and mock his team while he just assumes things are about to get better.
It's a sad state this team has fallen into. Firing Shurmur is a start, but it's past time he realizes the organization is rotting and wholesale changes are needed to out it back on the right track.
Putting a football guy in charge of football operations would be a good start.
I have to admit, this was an excellent opening line.... Â
Yet AGAIN a season that has finished before Halloween and pitiful games to be played out.
I'm sure there's excuses, as always, by ownership et al, and few on here, but nothing solidifies a loseing org by their putrid record year in and year out nowadays.
They'll never learn
At least Manning isn't getting bashed for it anymore. Â
are already quiting on PS and making business decisions. I expect that attitude to spread this week. And JJ was making some asking a lot from your CBs tough tackles on the edge earlier in the year.
I blame Eli of course.
RE: You wonder how long Mara is content to sit in the owners box Â
and watch fans of other teams come in and take over his stadium and mock his team while he just assumes things are about to get better.
It's a sad state this team has fallen into. Firing Shurmur is a start, but it's past time he realizes the organization is rotting and wholesale changes are needed to out it back on the right track.
Putting a football guy in charge of football operations would be a good start.
Even Jones had sense to realize OMG Switzer-Gailey-Campo hell he was in and brought in Parcells.
I expect Mike Smith to be our coach next.
I hope they don't wait until the whole thing blows up before they make Â
and watch fans of other teams come in and take over his stadium and mock his team while he just assumes things are about to get better.
It's a sad state this team has fallen into. Firing Shurmur is a start, but it's past time he realizes the organization is rotting and wholesale changes are needed to out it back on the right track.
Putting a football guy in charge of football operations would be a good start.
Even Jones had sense to realize OMG Switzer-Gailey-Campo hell he was in and brought in Parcells.
I expect Mike Smith to be our coach next.
Switzer won a Super Bowl?! Additionally, do you think Garrett is some great coach? He’s got tremendous coordinators and assistants there and let’s them handle their side of the ball without too much meddling. He looks good.
RE: RE: At least Manning isn't getting bashed for it anymore. Â
I think the Jets will win. At this point, the rest of the season is just like the preseason in that we need to see the younger players for an extended period of time to better assess what we need in the offseason.
He has the worst lbs in the league, no pass rushers, no FS, and 1 NFL CB. These are the results. You cant scheme around it.
Not to mention an offense with an offensive line that can't run black or pass block and QB with seven games of experience. But we should somehow be better than 2-7?
that I cared less about a Giants game. I sat through an ice storm to see the Giants play the Bears when Csonka was on the Giants with both teams at 5-10 or 5-11...I sat through a Seahawks game in Parcells 1st year, IIRC, when they were 3-12 or something in December.
I could care less after 56 years...even through the the late 60s and 70s I cared every game, every week.
to write, but it's truth. As far as your game previews go, that was by far one of the best well crafted. Maybe it was the pain of reality that inspired you, but most good writers do their best work when they're in pain.
That said, that is some bitter medicine to taste. But taste it we must.
Guy is terrible.
I'm nowhere near the fire Gettleman club though. I may be in the minority but I think he has made mostly really good changes for this team and it has been a refreshing change from Reese. While it appears on the surface that we have a talent issue, to me the bad play is so widespread that it looks more like poor preparation and strategy. Piss poor coaching can make even very talented teams look like dogshit.
PS is the only major bad choice I see but I wouldn't be surprised to learn he was a Mara choice.
I agree. The OL is a work in progress and the LBs suck but you can see the core taking shape.
This coaching staff is making the team look less talented than it actually is. Hell Barkley is supposed to be a generational back and he’s looked very average.
Great job here. Couldn't agree with you more. I haven't seen the Bengals play this year but I think there's a good chance we lose to both the Jets and Dolphins. The owners need to clean house and start a true rebuild.
RE: At least Manning isn't getting bashed for it anymore. Â
All those assholes were feeling pretty vindicated after Tampa...
They sure are scarce now. The problems on this team are so obviously deeper and more myriad than the QB. Fucking ingrate simpletons.
And Eli was veteran enough to throw "innacurate" passes to take the incompletion and a "Sir Collapse Alot" safe short sacks or check downs that would have the jagaloons on bbi enraged at Eli. Panicked Shermur is throwing DJ8 to the wolves shaping him up to be a David Carr turnover machine.
All those assholes were feeling pretty vindicated after Tampa...
They sure are scarce now. The problems on this team are so obviously deeper and more myriad than the QB. Fucking ingrate simpletons.
And Eli was veteran enough to throw "innacurate" passes to take the incompletion and a "Sir Collapse Alot" safe short sacks or check downs that would have the jagaloons on bbi enraged at Eli. Panicked Shermur is throwing DJ8 to the wolves shaping him up to be a David Carr turnover machine.
All those assholes were feeling pretty vindicated after Tampa...
They sure are scarce now. The problems on this team are so obviously deeper and more myriad than the QB. Fucking ingrate simpletons.
And Eli was veteran enough to throw "innacurate" passes to take the incompletion and a "Sir Collapse Alot" safe short sacks or check downs that would have the jagaloons on bbi enraged at Eli. Panicked Shermur is throwing DJ8 to the wolves shaping him up to be a David Carr turnover machine.
incoherent as usual
A bad coach and stubborn to boot what a bad mix !
It takes a very special person to be a head coach in the NFL Â
I don't agree with everything suggested by Eric. Engram is oft-injured, but when healthy he's a force. Is he injury prone? No more than the early Phil Simms. If Engram is traded, it's likely he'll find health and be lights out for his new team. The contract given to Sheperd was excessive, but was his propensity to concuss known at the time? I don't think so. As for Shurmur's inability to design an offense that exploits Barkley's talent, I presume Eric means the Giants need to use SB as a receiver rather than a runner. In college, against superior defenses, SB either got stuffed at the line of scrimmage or failed to break tackles when he passed the line of scrimmage. He doesn't seem to be a running back who can create when the holes are not there.
As for the Giants allowing 30 points and scoring only 17, this stat would be dramatically different if Jones wouldn't turn the ball over.
How did this happen? Where did the optimism of youth in the mid 90's disappear to? The glory days of the old Giants Stadium and the promise of better days ahead. Not so much anymore. A once great game has been gutted by PC bullshit and soft, two hand touch schemes and rules. And our once great New York Football Giants have returned to being the laughing stock of the NFL. I'm sad.
This game, if the Gmen lose badly will be the death knell for PS!
...Shurmur is now 17-41 (.293).
This game, if the Gmen lose badly will be the death knell for PS!
Unfortunately, if the Giants do move on from Gettleman we all know that Mara will just orchestrate another BS GM search and end up handing the job over to Kevin Abrams who has very little experience as a talent evaluator.
...Shurmur is now 17-41 (.293).
Thanks. Didn't included the last loss.
Can anyone make the case that Shurmur coaches this team above .500 next year? Anyone at all?
Oy vey...
As for the Giants offense, all I know is they'll probably be in the fucking shotgun formation all damn day and not score TDs when/if they get into the red zone.
I'm nowhere near the fire Gettleman club though. I may be in the minority but I think he has made mostly really good changes for this team and it has been a refreshing change from Reese. While it appears on the surface that we have a talent issue, to me the bad play is so widespread that it looks more like poor preparation and strategy. Piss poor coaching can make even very talented teams look like dogshit.
PS is the only major bad choice I see but I wouldn't be surprised to learn he was a Mara choice.
As for the Giants offense, all I know is they'll probably be in the fucking shotgun formation all damn day and not score TDs when/if they get into the red zone.
You just agreed with me but I'm supposed to step off the ledge?
You just agreed with me but I'm supposed to step off the ledge?
That piece was rather depressing. I'm simply matter-of-fact about the suckage.
I'm never going to stop being a fan, but I'm gonna need to start finding better things to do than actively support and take valuable time out of my life to devote to this fucking loser organization.
In a few games this year, as much as they suck, the Defense has played good enough to win.
Prediction: P! A! I! N! Pain! Pain! Pain!
Having said all that, I'm ok with giving him another year as long as Shurmur is canned.
One of these days, the Giants will go defense in the first round and get some playmakers.
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He has the worst lbs in the league, no pass rushers, no FS, and 1 NFL CB. These are the results. You cant scheme around it.
One of these days, the Giants will go defense in the first round and get some playmakers.
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He has the worst lbs in the league, no pass rushers, no FS, and 1 NFL CB. These are the results. You cant scheme around it.
One of these days, the Giants will go defense in the first round and get some playmakers.
It's not easy to dedicate time out of your busy life to reflect and write about the Giants' upcoming game.
It's got be a tedious task at this point.
I'm not necessarily ready to give up on Gettleman...he has made some tough calls (Beckham, drafting DJ very high, etc). He has shown that he has some balls, I'll give him that.
But...they might need to do the "George Young" thing and get someone outside the "crony" network to fix this. The Mara's need to step back and let someone who knows what they are doing fix this pile of s*it.
The Jets will beat the Giants on Sunday and the shit show will accelerate to a new level.
Clash of the young quarterbacks? Again, who cares? Jones will fumble, get sacked a ton and perhaps throw a pick or two. It won't mean much since the defense won't be able to stop Darnold or Bell if he plays.
I don't mind rebuilding. Every team goes through it. What I do mind is dumb decisions, like trading away draft assets for a player not signed after this year that only make a difficult process harder. Point is, I don't see light at the end of the tunnel. I don't see a unit that has improved last year to this to say the team is building around. We are mired in mediocrity that is likely to continue because I'm not sure the people steering the ship no how to get the team out of it. Again, who cares?
2-14 they will have no choice !
Maybe they some how win a few more it just hurts the
draft position .They should have moved Engram and Jenkins
It seems we have put resources into DT's and not
DE's .The poor numbers are staggering !
It's a sad state this team has fallen into. Firing Shurmur is a start, but it's past time he realizes the organization is rotting and wholesale changes are needed to out it back on the right track.
Putting a football guy in charge of football operations would be a good start.
I LOL'd
I'm sure there's excuses, as always, by ownership et al, and few on here, but nothing solidifies a loseing org by their putrid record year in and year out nowadays.
They'll never learn
I blame Eli of course.
It's a sad state this team has fallen into. Firing Shurmur is a start, but it's past time he realizes the organization is rotting and wholesale changes are needed to out it back on the right track.
Putting a football guy in charge of football operations would be a good start.
Even Jones had sense to realize OMG Switzer-Gailey-Campo hell he was in and brought in Parcells.
I expect Mike Smith to be our coach next.
You just couldn't resist huh? :)
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and watch fans of other teams come in and take over his stadium and mock his team while he just assumes things are about to get better.
It's a sad state this team has fallen into. Firing Shurmur is a start, but it's past time he realizes the organization is rotting and wholesale changes are needed to out it back on the right track.
Putting a football guy in charge of football operations would be a good start.
Even Jones had sense to realize OMG Switzer-Gailey-Campo hell he was in and brought in Parcells.
I expect Mike Smith to be our coach next.
Switzer won a Super Bowl?! Additionally, do you think Garrett is some great coach? He’s got tremendous coordinators and assistants there and let’s them handle their side of the ball without too much meddling. He looks good.
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You just couldn't resist huh? :)
I'm glad that those exhaustive arguments are over, that's for sure. In some ways, I'm happy for Manning to end his career as a Giant quietly, now.
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He has the worst lbs in the league, no pass rushers, no FS, and 1 NFL CB. These are the results. You cant scheme around it.
One of these days, the Giants will go defense in the first round and get some playmakers.
I'm confused. I thought 2 of our 3 first round picks were defense?
I think the Jets will win. At this point, the rest of the season is just like the preseason in that we need to see the younger players for an extended period of time to better assess what we need in the offseason.
Not to mention an offense with an offensive line that can't run black or pass block and QB with seven games of experience. But we should somehow be better than 2-7?
In comment 14669723 MarkT said:
Let me simplify the preview for you:
WE SUCK
Any questions see the site owner
They sure are scarce now. The problems on this team are so obviously deeper and more myriad than the QB. Fucking ingrate simpletons.
Not joking, I almost posted the picture of that stupid owl instead.
I could care less after 56 years...even through the the late 60s and 70s I cared every game, every week.
That said, that is some bitter medicine to taste. But taste it we must.
On the other hand, I don't think I'll live to see them have another winning season.....
I'm nowhere near the fire Gettleman club though. I may be in the minority but I think he has made mostly really good changes for this team and it has been a refreshing change from Reese. While it appears on the surface that we have a talent issue, to me the bad play is so widespread that it looks more like poor preparation and strategy. Piss poor coaching can make even very talented teams look like dogshit.
PS is the only major bad choice I see but I wouldn't be surprised to learn he was a Mara choice.
I agree. The OL is a work in progress and the LBs suck but you can see the core taking shape.
This coaching staff is making the team look less talented than it actually is. Hell Barkley is supposed to be a generational back and he’s looked very average.
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He has the worst lbs in the league, no pass rushers, no FS, and 1 NFL CB. These are the results. You cant scheme around it.
One of these days, the Giants will go defense in the first round and get some playmakers.
Two of our 3 first rounders this past year were on defense.
They sure are scarce now. The problems on this team are so obviously deeper and more myriad than the QB. Fucking ingrate simpletons.
And Eli was veteran enough to throw "innacurate" passes to take the incompletion and a "Sir Collapse Alot" safe short sacks or check downs that would have the jagaloons on bbi enraged at Eli. Panicked Shermur is throwing DJ8 to the wolves shaping him up to be a David Carr turnover machine.
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All those assholes were feeling pretty vindicated after Tampa...
They sure are scarce now. The problems on this team are so obviously deeper and more myriad than the QB. Fucking ingrate simpletons.
And Eli was veteran enough to throw "innacurate" passes to take the incompletion and a "Sir Collapse Alot" safe short sacks or check downs that would have the jagaloons on bbi enraged at Eli. Panicked Shermur is throwing DJ8 to the wolves shaping him up to be a David Carr turnover machine.
incoherent as usual
Core of the team overall. The OL still needs a lot of work.
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All those assholes were feeling pretty vindicated after Tampa...
They sure are scarce now. The problems on this team are so obviously deeper and more myriad than the QB. Fucking ingrate simpletons.
And Eli was veteran enough to throw "innacurate" passes to take the incompletion and a "Sir Collapse Alot" safe short sacks or check downs that would have the jagaloons on bbi enraged at Eli. Panicked Shermur is throwing DJ8 to the wolves shaping him up to be a David Carr turnover machine.
incoherent as usual
A bad coach and stubborn to boot what a bad mix !
Someone who doesn't conflate patience with stubbornness and values attention to detail without wallowing in micro-management.
Do the Giants have such a head coach?
As for the Giants allowing 30 points and scoring only 17, this stat would be dramatically different if Jones wouldn't turn the ball over.