So something that stuck out to me was a recent post, where Janoris Jenkins had to tell DB to take mental reps when he was on the bike during training camp. He took the position that he was injured so he didnt "have to do shit."
Now we are hearing reports about a shitty work ethic and quite frankly he sounds like a moron. Not that you need to be a genius to play CB in the NFL, but he seems to be on another level of stupidity. We traded up to get this guy. What is all this talk about culture when you are taking guys like this in the first round?
I'm a big believer in DG, but this pick, and what we know about him, is kind of making me start to question if he is the guy.
Him not understanding the defense is normal just like it’s normal for Jones to not understand what he’s seeing. It’s part of the process of being a young player in the NFL. There seems to be a lot of panic about baker but jones play has been just as uneven, if not worse, than Bakers IMO.
This thread wasn't started to discuss stupid play or even uneven play by Baker. Which is why it is silly that you are continuing to bring up Jones, as it seems you have an axe to grind with DJ. It isn't about making mistakes, its about work ethic, awareness, and the comments that Baker has made and the notes mentioned from scouting him. Cut the whataboutism out.
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about this during scouting process. So if I had access to that kind of info, so did they.
This entire front office needs to go. The fact that they traded UP to get Baker is laughable.
Yeah, why would anyone want the highest rated CB in the draft? What were they thinking?
I think some of you need to go.
You guys understand that the after QB(and in some cases before) the OLine are the smartest guys on the field. After that, who the heck knows..
Belichick got the guy after he already proved for several years he could play in the NFL, so that is not an apples to apples comparison at all.
I brought Talib up specifically in response to a comment to the effect of "Belichek doesn't take a chance on guys like that". I have zero disagreement that Talib was more proven when acquired, but he was still a guy like that.
If you agree that Belichek takes a chance on guys like that if they have enough talent then we are in agreement. Whether or not Baker has enough talent is a totally separate question. He may or he may not.
I knew he was very cocky but didn’t realize there may be some bigger issues as implied by Sy.
So if that’s true, did DG just ignore them and write them off as immaterial? Or did DG not do his homework and now we potentially have a problem player?
Let’s hope this is somewhat overblown. But it’s definitely now on the radar...
In watching and listening to Baker I believe he's improving as a player and overall I think he's a 'good guy'. If we can exhibit a little patience(/gasp) we'll have a good starting CB imo.
In watching and listening to Baker I believe he's improving as a player and overall I think he's a 'good guy'. If we can exhibit a little patience(/gasp) we'll have a good starting CB imo.
They are two distinct things but their tends to be a correlation between the two. Telling Janoris he doesn't need to do mental reps when he's riding the bike demonstrates a lack of both.
The way he went up to the podium, was interviewed. and his character getting off it, that’s all I needed to see to know that he makes Eli Apple look mature and like Einstein. Thats hard to do.
Not sure what you're agenda here is but you seem to have one.
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Belichick got the guy after he already proved for several years he could play in the NFL, so that is not an apples to apples comparison at all.
I brought Talib up specifically in response to a comment to the effect of "Belichek doesn't take a chance on guys like that". I have zero disagreement that Talib was more proven when acquired, but he was still a guy like that.
If you agree that Belichek takes a chance on guys like that if they have enough talent then we are in agreement. Whether or not Baker has enough talent is a totally separate question. He may or he may not.
There's a huge difference between having a questionable work ethic and being an asshole. You probably want a certain amount of assholes on a football team. I'll take assholes all day, but questionable work ethic? Get off my team. That shit is poisonous to a lockerroom, one guy isn't putting in the effort and that shit catches on. I don't think doing your job is asking too much
Yeah theres plent of assholes that work hard, actually I don't know too many assholes that don't work hard. Gotta cash those checks their mouth is making.
But fortunately football is not a game for geniuses, So he will get better . In contrast, Aaron Ross was very smart and played well his first yeAr but never got any better
However, understanding it and doing it are two different things.
I have no idea what John Ledyard's credentials are, but it aligns exactly with the OP.
@03:23 he drops the character bomb on Baker.
Listen from 2:00 mark - ( New Window )
Blame auto correct, that s what we all do.
They also would not have a guy like jackrabbit telling a rookie to fake an injury to get out of working hard. That shit simply will not happen there. Instead, most (not all) of their guys are likely telling rookies how hard they need to work to stay on the team and get into the starting lineup.
I have no idea what John Ledyard's credentials are, but it aligns exactly with the OP.
@03:23 he drops the character bomb on Baker.
Listen from 2:00 mark - ( New Window )
Bingo. Don't know who that guy is but this is what I'm essentially saying "I love the swagger, but the work ethic needs to match because he just isn't naturally talented enough." Thats exactly what I said! Is he going to be a solid number 2 corner in this league? Probably, maybe even a decent number 1. The problem I have is having guys with shitty work ethic, that behavior is contagious in a locker room, and he just doesn't have the talent to justify it.
Dre may turn out to stink but this talk is premature...just like any talk about jones being a franchise qb or not would be wildly premature.
Yup, great post.
Probably Byron Murphy, who would have been my target if we were going CB, but that is either here nor there.
Second, some players have harder time digesting play book
Third, being a rookie takes time to learn what it takes to be a pro.
Fourth, he has been playing much better since beginning of season
Fifth, probably not a good idea trying to evaluate a player based on media snippets
He's a rookie, it's an adjustment. Some guys do better than others
Prince ? Eli Apple ??? Come on man, these 2 were taken higher .
Our DB’s look bad at times but they can’t cover forever, lack of a consistent pass rush kills them.
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unlikely than likely. First round prospects should be as clean as possible, so we took a guy that has good film, but doesn't have the athletic profile of a good number 1, and has questionable work ethic issues to boot.
Prince ? Eli Apple ??? Come on man, these 2 were taken higher .
Our DB’s look bad at times but they can’t cover forever, lack of a consistent pass rush kills them.
Eli Apple was an awful, awful pick where we took him. His tape didn't even justify the pick, his measurable did. He was a grabby corner in college with no ball skills. Than you add in the zero life skills comment. I still can't be believe we took him there. And Prince wasn't a bad pick. He's going to finish with a nice career.
People are still missing the point of this thread, it isn't that Baker sucks, he's a rookie corner that isn't the point. The point is all this talk about culture and what not, and we traded up to get a guy with a known work ethic problem. I could probably live with that if he had the elite athletic profile to match the type, but he doesn't. This attitude is also infectious. Can he turn it around? Maybe, but all this talk about culture and than to trade up for a guy with questionable work ethic leaves me scratching my head.
Gonna hold judgement , But the Coach has to recognise and
call him out chew him out if needed this is why
I have zero faith in Shurmur .
It'd be an easy step to say that the Giants knew a shitload more about Baker than Sy did. And no one here knows anything about what the Giants knew or ultimately based their pick on.