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superspynyg : 11/9/2019 8:28 am
Some rumors:

Reds have interest in Sir Didi. Since he don’t be back with the Tanks good place for him. Out of the AL. They gave other hitters in Suarez, Votto, Senzel. Plus a good rotation.


Phillies and Rangers interested in Josh Donaldson. Braces want to resign him. He was great for them.

Any others?
If Lindor leaves it sounds like Cleveland is  
robbieballs2003 : 11/9/2019 8:36 am : link
interested in Didi.
Question  
5BowlsSoon : 11/9/2019 8:42 am : link
When can teams start signing free agents? Can they sign one today?
This may have been answered elsewhere- Conceivably....  
GiantBlue : 11/9/2019 9:31 am : link
Is Cespedes back for the Mets next year or is he a FA?

Does he bring anything to the table?

If he comes back and has a typical Cespedes year....it would be like signing a big FA.

He doesn't seem to be mentioned anymore.
Braves are very interested in Bumgarner  
Jay on the Island : 11/9/2019 9:32 am : link
Probably won’t commit to the years though as he’s looking for at least 4.

Personally I am not a fan of this move at all unless it’s for 1-2 years.
RE: This may have been answered elsewhere- Conceivably....  
Eric on Li : 11/9/2019 10:27 am : link
In comment 14670070 GiantBlue said:
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Is Cespedes back for the Mets next year or is he a FA?

Does he bring anything to the table?

If he comes back and has a typical Cespedes year....it would be like signing a big FA.

He doesn't seem to be mentioned anymore.


They said they don't even know if he will be healthy - since it wasn't their usual rose colored propaganda I wouldn't be shocked if that's a signal they will try to get out of the contract somehow (or just plan on playing the insurance money game again).

The guy has barely played baseball since 2016, his athleticism was rapidly deteriorating even when he was on the field, and now he's had multiple major surgeries back to back. If he's ever a meaningful contributor again anywhere it will be a surprise IMO.
Mets and Red Sox  
Earl the goat : 11/9/2019 10:29 am : link
Syndergaard and Cano plus prospect for Mookie Betts plus catcher prospect
why would the Red Sox take on Cano instead of just paying Betts?  
Eric on Li : 11/9/2019 10:31 am : link
Syndergaard only has 1 more year left beyond Betts so they would have to pay him too.

The only way we are getting rid of Cano's deal is by taking on a similar or worse deal, of which very few exist. In other words, he's here to stay. Just need to hope he tests positive for a PED.
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Danny Kanell : 11/9/2019 11:19 am : link
The OP is an auto correct nightmare
RE: Mets and Red Sox  
Danny Kanell : 11/9/2019 11:19 am : link
In comment 14670107 Earl the goat said:
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Syndergaard and Cano plus prospect for Mookie Betts plus catcher prospect


Lol!!
RE: Mets and Red Sox  
arcarsenal : 11/9/2019 11:20 am : link
In comment 14670107 Earl the goat said:
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Syndergaard and Cano plus prospect for Mookie Betts plus catcher prospect


Yeah, that's not gonna happen...
With Wheeler leaving I would  
Rory : 11/9/2019 11:41 am : link
love to see Mets take a run at Drew Pomeranz to replace and allow Lugo to move to the rotation.
Read earlier that Sabathia has talked "at length"  
jgambrosio : 11/9/2019 12:10 pm : link
with Cole about pitching in New York. We'll see what that means...
RE: With Wheeler leaving I would  
Vanzetti : 11/9/2019 4:27 pm : link
In comment 14670135 Rory said:
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love to see Mets take a run at Drew Pomeranz to replace and allow Lugo to move to the rotation.


Why would you move Lugo to the rotation? He has been
Mediocre as a starter and fantastic as a reliever. Plus, you would be weakening the already weak pen.

It doesn't matter  
giants_10_88 : 11/9/2019 4:28 pm : link
what CC said, the Yankees likely aren't giving Cole big money.
RE: RE: With Wheeler leaving I would  
Metnut : 11/9/2019 5:43 pm : link
In comment 14670352 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 14670135 Rory said:


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love to see Mets take a run at Drew Pomeranz to replace and allow Lugo to move to the rotation.



Why would you move Lugo to the rotation? He has been
Mediocre as a starter and fantastic as a reliever. Plus, you would be weakening the already weak pen.


Because the Mets still need 5 starters and have little SP depth in the organization. They might not be able to afford Wheeler because they traded their best prospects to pay Cano $20M in 2020 and add Edwin Diaz.
RE: RE: With Wheeler leaving I would  
Rory : 11/9/2019 5:59 pm : link
In comment 14670352 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 14670135 Rory said:


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love to see Mets take a run at Drew Pomeranz to replace and allow Lugo to move to the rotation.



Why would you move Lugo to the rotation? He has been
Mediocre as a starter and fantastic as a reliever. Plus, you would be weakening the already weak pen.


He hasn't started since early 2018 and had a 2.66 ERA for that time frame, he's also evolved as a pitcher since then.

An I'm pretty sure its his desire to get a shot so he might be the best option.

An did you not read the part about signing Pomeranz to replace?
Mets  
Archer : 11/9/2019 6:08 pm : link
Mets will have beaucoup money after this year
If they want Wheeler they can back load the contract
RE: Mets  
Rory : 11/9/2019 6:39 pm : link
In comment 14670435 Archer said:
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Mets will have beaucoup money after this year
If they want Wheeler they can back load the contract


Need to resign Conforto/Thor and extend Rosario.
RE: It doesn't matter  
Justlurking : 11/9/2019 8:11 pm : link
In comment 14670353 giants_10_88 said:
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what CC said, the Yankees likely aren't giving Cole big money.


completely disagree. They are going to make him a huge offer.
RE: RE: It doesn't matter  
giants_10_88 : 11/9/2019 8:58 pm : link
In comment 14670522 Justlurking said:
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In comment 14670353 giants_10_88 said:


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what CC said, the Yankees likely aren't giving Cole big money.



completely disagree. They are going to make him a huge offer.


I would love nothing more than for you to be right.

Been reading good things about Clarke Schmidt too.

Cole
Tanaka
Severino
Paxton
Schmidt/Montgomery

Looks good.
I am glad we have a loaded minor league pitching system  
xman : 11/9/2019 9:12 pm : link
with Gil Medina Schmidt Nelson and Garcia. If I had a choice to sign and pay Cole 35 million a year or have these 5 young arms, I take the latter. I know we can have both but history has shown that these big contracts rarely work out and they hamstring you .
Cole is the one guy who’d make us odds on favorite for the  
yatqb : 11/9/2019 9:21 pm : link
next 5 years. Aces are almost impossible to land in FA, and we haven’t developed one in decades. Sevi is closest but not in that category.

And German will be in the rotation or part of a trade for a major piece. The kid is a talent.
RE: RE: RE: It doesn't matter  
Nine-Tails : 11/9/2019 9:42 pm : link
In comment 14670538 giants_10_88 said:
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In comment 14670353 giants_10_88 said:


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what CC said, the Yankees likely aren't giving Cole big money.



completely disagree. They are going to make him a huge offer.



I would love nothing more than for you to be right.

Been reading good things about Clarke Schmidt too.

Cole
Tanaka
Severino
Paxton
Schmidt/Montgomery

Looks good.


Schmidt had a great second half last year. He was the guy Cash didn’t want to give up for Robbie Ray. I’m expecting big things from him
RE: I am glad we have a loaded minor league pitching system  
HomerJones45 : 11/9/2019 10:40 pm : link
In comment 14670545 xman said:
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with Gil Medina Schmidt Nelson and Garcia. If I had a choice to sign and pay Cole 35 million a year or have these 5 young arms, I take the latter. I know we can have both but history has shown that these big contracts rarely work out and they hamstring you .
"History" has shown no such thing. The Yanks don't get to the WS in 2009 without that A-Rod guy. The D'Backs don't beat the Yankees without Randy Johnson. The Sawx don't win last season without Martinez and Sale. Nothing more than toleration of the Yankess turning themselves into a small market team. How are they doing getting to the WS lately?
True but that Sale deal doesn't look too good now  
xman : 11/9/2019 10:48 pm : link
Yanks did make the WS a few times in the late 90's without signing big pitcher contracts. They'd pick up a Cone or Wells much like a Sonny Grey. Times have changed but plenty of todays big deals blow up.
Contracts  
Bill2 : 11/10/2019 1:27 am : link
So the Yankees eventually made Babe Ruth the highest paid player of his era ($80,000). Ditto DiMaggio in his time. Ditto Mantle several years of his time.

In 1930, Lou Gehrig hit .379 and had 174 RBI's. His OBP was ,493 and his OPS was 1.194. Of course, he never missed a game.

He was paid $25,000 ( $260,000 in todays dollars)

He asked for a $5000 raise. He was denied. He was given the possibility of a $1000 bonus if at the end of 1931 he had an "MVP" type season.

He hit 46 Home Runs and drove in 185 RBIS had an OBP of .446 a BA of .341 and an OPS of 1.108. Of course, never missed a game.

Lefty Grove picked that year to go 31-4 so Gehrig was second in the MVP voting. The Yankees did not give him the $1000 bonus.

His lifetime BS was .340. His lifetime OBP was .447 and his lifetime OPS was 1.080.

He played in 2164 straight games from 1925 to 1939.

He made $39,000 in 1938.

Gehrig's quote: "Lets face it, I follow Babe to the plate. I could stand on my head and no one would notice"

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Bill2 : 11/10/2019 2:13 am : link
also stole 17 bases in 1931.

As usual, he was ranked first in most fielding stats for a 1st baseman most years of his career.

I don't care what era, that's an actual great baseball player.

Contract was year to year. Some years it went down when attendance went down no matter how well he played.
RE: RE: It doesn't matter  
section125 : 11/10/2019 2:48 am : link
In comment 14670522 Justlurking said:
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In comment 14670353 giants_10_88 said:


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what CC said, the Yankees likely aren't giving Cole big money.



completely disagree. They are going to make him a huge offer.


They may, but they will allow another team to out bid them and therefore not sign him, unless they ditch at least $20 mill in current contracts, imho.
RE: RE: I am glad we have a loaded minor league pitching system  
section125 : 11/10/2019 2:55 am : link
In comment 14670572 HomerJones45 said:
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with Gil Medina Schmidt Nelson and Garcia. If I had a choice to sign and pay Cole 35 million a year or have these 5 young arms, I take the latter. I know we can have both but history has shown that these big contracts rarely work out and they hamstring you .

"History" has shown no such thing. The Yanks don't get to the WS in 2009 without that A-Rod guy. The D'Backs don't beat the Yankees without Randy Johnson. The Sawx don't win last season without Martinez and Sale. Nothing more than toleration of the Yankees turning themselves into a small market team. How are they doing getting to the WS lately?


You were doing well until you said they were small market minded, except yeah the $218 mill in contracts which will be pushing $228 before $30 mll additional for Cole. Hal will not allow that.
RE: RE: This may have been answered elsewhere- Conceivably....  
ZGiants98 : 11/10/2019 2:39 pm : link
In comment 14670106 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 14670070 GiantBlue said:


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Is Cespedes back for the Mets next year or is he a FA?

Does he bring anything to the table?

If he comes back and has a typical Cespedes year....it would be like signing a big FA.

He doesn't seem to be mentioned anymore.



They said they don't even know if he will be healthy - since it wasn't their usual rose colored propaganda I wouldn't be shocked if that's a signal they will try to get out of the contract somehow (or just plan on playing the insurance money game again).

The guy has barely played baseball since 2016, his athleticism was rapidly deteriorating even when he was on the field, and now he's had multiple major surgeries back to back. If he's ever a meaningful contributor again anywhere it will be a surprise IMO.


This is made up. BVW simply said he just didn't know where Cespedes was in his rehab or much about when he would be ready to play. He never said he didn't know if he would play in 2020. Roc Nation, on the other hand, was quoted recently as saying Cespedes is planning on a big comeback in 2020. The guy broke his ankle in May 2019. He will almost 100% be healthy enough at some point in 2020 to give it a go, if not spring training.
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