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blue1986 : 11/10/2019 7:03 am
The Beckham and Vernon trades which got us Zeitler and Peppers has backfired for both teams, agreed. Zeitler is not going to the pro bowl and neither is Peppers. Vernon is injured as usual and Beckham is having a average year. Gentleman is not impressing me with any of his moves so far.
Pugh, Richburg and Flowers are playing well for their teams and our O-line is terrible right now via his moves. Flowers is playing guard well which he and Reese both misjudged.
Lawrence is working out just fine  
LauderdaleMatty : 11/10/2019 7:14 am : link
You leave him out on purpose? Zeitler injured is much better than anyone theyve had at RG in a long time
I was happy when Gettleman let Pugh go  
aGiantGuy : 11/10/2019 7:24 am : link
Pugh and Richburg have top 5 contracts for their respective positions to play slightly above average, both were put on IR last year. Iíll take Hernandez over Pugh any day, cheaper and better in the run game.
Your opening premise is stupid right off the bat  
Tuckrule : 11/10/2019 7:24 am : link
The trade was a massive success.

Zeitler is our best offensive lineman this year and one of two men worth keeping on the line for next season (Hernandez and Zeitler)

We unloaded vernons insane contract and odells and got back peppers. So we saved money right there and got a nice player.

The trade got us an extra pick which turned into dexter Lawrence who has been the best or second best 0 tech in the nfl. One of the best run stuffing DTs and a shockingly high pass rate success.

I suggest you do some more research before starting threads calling out the GM
And Xmen....who has flashed  
George from PA : 11/10/2019 7:32 am : link
We can question some of his FA signings....but hus trades and drafts have worked out.
RE: Lawrence is working out just fine  
ron mexico : 11/10/2019 8:25 am : link
In comment 14670623 LauderdaleMatty said:
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You leave him out on purpose? Zeitler injured is much better than anyone theyve had at RG in a long time


Iíd say Jamon brown played at an equal if not higher lever
Peppers playing better than any  
Biteymax22 : 11/10/2019 8:28 am : link
Of the 4 players involved in the trade. Saying that the most compensation was tied to Beckham and heís laying an egg, we definitely got the better of it.

Keep in mind there is massive cap benefits for the next couple years because we made this trade also. Next year we should be able to add 3 FA starters for the cap space we would have had to delegate to Beckham.
Sometimes the best moves are the ones you don't make.  
Ira : 11/10/2019 8:33 am : link
Not paying Landon Collins $14 m per year was a good non-move.
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christian : 11/10/2019 8:40 am : link
I understand Zeitler is banged up, but Jamon Brown the last 8 games of 2018 was a far superior run blocker and arguably pass protector.

The Beckham side of the trade looks promising, the Vernon side looks like a wash. For the money, cutting Vernon and signing Brown might have been the better investment.
Xman has flashed?  
arniefez : 11/10/2019 8:52 am : link
I didn't expect much from a small school rookie and I'm sure the Giants didn't expect to have him play this many snaps. I guess flash must mean a guy getting absolutely destroyed and targeted by every team he plays against. He is literally getting run over all game.
In regards to Jamon Brown  
aGiantGuy : 11/10/2019 9:29 am : link
The guy was clearing lanes in the run game but he was always letting very simple stunts lead to free hits on Eli...on the regular. I havenít seen that from Zeitler, nor have I seen the ability to move dtís off the ball like Jamon brown did. But Zeitler is also better in space which opens up our screen game, his climbs to the second level are better as well. I would pay the extra money for Zeitler just because I believe with a better rt and c his play will be much better. Go read Syís reviews of Jamon Brown last year.

On another note, what about signing Scherff to play RT, too much of a risk?
In hindsight,  
Simms11 : 11/10/2019 9:36 am : link
I think Richburg would have turned out to be a good signing. He appears to have developed into a decent Center.
RE: In hindsight,  
ron mexico : 11/10/2019 9:37 am : link
In comment 14670711 Simms11 said:
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I think Richburg would have turned out to be a good signing. He appears to have developed into a decent Center.


I never really got why it went so south for him here
How can anyone look at the pathetic team we're fielding  
WillieYoung : 11/10/2019 10:00 am : link
and say Gettleman's drafts and trades have worked out? 40 of the players on this roster are his. Time to stop blaming Reese for this shitshow. it's Gettleman's now.
Willie Young  
Marty866b : 11/10/2019 11:02 am : link
Spot on! This is Gettleman's team and this one may be the worst one yet and that says a lot.
RE: Lawrence is working out just fine  
lecky : 11/10/2019 11:16 am : link
In comment 14670623 LauderdaleMatty said:
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You leave him out on purpose? Zeitler injured is much better than anyone theyve had at RG in a long time


I hear from a lot of sources this guy is playing well. What I don't hear is this guys name during a game. Zeitler's certainly not having a good year but I do blame that on being one of the most poorly coached O-Lines in the league.
Flaw in argument - 1 team made the move to win now the other to rebuid  
Eric on Li : 11/10/2019 11:25 am : link
and I think we all know which team was which. I mean, honestly look no further than the ages of the players involved.

Giants - Zeitler (29), Peppers (23), Lawrence (21), Xman (22)

Browns - Vernon (29), OBJ (27)
Why..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/10/2019 11:30 am : link
is the perception that Flowers is playing much better so far??

If he's playing for us the same way he has so far, we're calling him hot garbage. Somehow when he does it for a different team, it is a positive?

Let me guess, Eli Apple is doing great too?
RE: Why..  
section125 : 11/10/2019 12:01 pm : link
In comment 14670816 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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is the perception that Flowers is playing much better so far??

If he's playing for us the same way he has so far, we're calling him hot garbage. Somehow when he does it for a different team, it is a positive?

Let me guess, Eli Apple is doing great too?


which also goes with Richburg(run out of town on a rail by BBI faithful), Pugh(on the very next rail), Flowers(couldn't be tied to the rail as he kept whiffing).

If you think that DG whiffed on the Cleveland trades, then you really should not be starting threads like this.
RE: RE: Lawrence is working out just fine  
LauderdaleMatty : 11/10/2019 1:11 pm : link
In comment 14670646 ron mexico said:
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In comment 14670623 LauderdaleMatty said:


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You leave him out on purpose? Zeitler injured is much better than anyone theyve had at RG in a long time



Iíd say Jamon brown played at an equal if not higher lever


You would be the only one. Agree to disagree I guess bit that take seems to just be anti DG. This thread premise leaving out Dex L is beyond stupid
RE: RE: Lawrence is working out just fine  
blue1986 : 11/10/2019 1:32 pm : link
In comment 14670803 lecky said:
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In comment 14670623 LauderdaleMatty said:


I have not mentioned Lawrence what are you talking about
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You leave him out on purpose? Zeitler injured is much better than anyone theyve had at RG in a long time



I hear from a lot of sources this guy is playing well. What I don't hear is this guys name during a game. Zeitler's certainly not having a good year but I do blame that on being one of the most poorly coached O-Lines in the league.
RE: Lawrence is working out just fine  
blue1986 : 11/10/2019 1:34 pm : link
In comment 14670623 LauderdaleMatty said:
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You leave him out on purpose? Zeitler injured is much better than anyone theyve had at RG in a long time
nI have not mentioned lawrence what are you talking about?
RE: Your opening premise is stupid right off the bat  
blue1986 : 11/10/2019 1:35 pm : link
In comment 14670627 Tuckrule said:
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The trade was a massive success.

Zeitler is our best offensive lineman this year and one of two men worth keeping on the line for next season (Hernandez and Zeitler)

We unloaded vernons insane contract and odells and got back peppers. So we saved money right there and got a nice player.

The trade got us an extra pick which turned into dexter Lawrence who has been the best or second best 0 tech in the nfl. One of the best run stuffing DTs and a shockingly high pass rate success.

I suggest you do some more research before starting threads calling out the GM
No its not its an observation I'm asking opinions on and its not stupid don't judge people you don't know.
RE: RE: Your opening premise is stupid right off the bat  
blue1986 : 11/10/2019 3:44 pm : link
In comment 14671255 blue1986 said:
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In comment 14670627 Tuckrule said:


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The trade was a massive success. Look at Zeitler today and you no what i'm talking about barley 14 rushes for 1 yard the line stinks like I said.
Zeitler is our best offensive lineman this year and one of two men worth keeping on the line for next season (Hernandez and Zeitler)

We unloaded vernons insane contract and odells and got back peppers. So we saved money right there and got a nice player.

The trade got us an extra pick which turned into dexter Lawrence who has been the best or second best 0 tech in the nfl. One of the best run stuffing DTs and a shockingly high pass rate success.

I suggest you do some more research before starting threads calling out the GM

No its not its an observation I'm asking opinions on and its not stupid don't judge people you don't know.
RE: Lawrence is working out just fine  
blue1986 : 11/10/2019 3:45 pm : link
In comment 14670623 LauderdaleMatty said:
[quote] You leave him out on purpose? Zeitler injured is much better than anyone theyve had at RG in a long time [I /quote] I did not but look at Barley today 14 rushes for 1 yard that's pathetic
RE: I was happy when Gettleman let Pugh go  
blue1986 : 11/10/2019 3:47 pm : link
In comment 14670626 aGiantGuy said:
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Pugh and Richburg have top 5 contracts for their respective positions to play slightly above average, both were put on IR last year. Iíll take Hernandez over Pugh any day, cheaper and better in the run game.
Why after what I am seeing right now barley 14 rushes 1 yard thats pathetic
RE: How can anyone look at the pathetic team we're fielding  
jcn56 : 11/10/2019 4:01 pm : link
In comment 14670739 WillieYoung said:
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and say Gettleman's drafts and trades have worked out? 40 of the players on this roster are his. Time to stop blaming Reese for this shitshow. it's Gettleman's now.


Because it leaves open the misguided hope that all you need is a new coach and voila, everything's great again.
Fans tend to be deterministic about recruiting  
idiotsavant : 11/10/2019 4:11 pm : link
Outcomes despite glaring, repeated evidence that system plays it's part in that.

Since Macadoo I've been ranting about how this Packers lite system is very hard on OL development.

And we are still running the same shit with regards to: denying the trend about line ru action supporting pass outcomes and therefore helping OL development.

That said, no free safeties on the roster and no outstanding athletes at ilb either.
Typo line run action  
idiotsavant : 11/10/2019 4:12 pm : link
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Giants and Jets NEED to Trade DOWN  
giantstock : 11/10/2019 4:23 pm : link
Unless you think there is a better QB to be had but overall fuck getting the one pass rusher or one Left Tackle. Both teams NEED playerSSSSSSS.

****ANd what is most obvious both need OFENSIVE LINEMEN -- plural - they need MULTIPLE. SO either get in FA or draft or both.
RE: Your opening premise is stupid right off the bat  
blue1986 : 11/10/2019 5:03 pm : link
In comment 14670627 Tuckrule said:
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The trade was a massive success.

Zeitler is our best offensive lineman this year and one of two men worth keeping on the line for next season (Hernandez and Zeitler)

We unloaded vernons insane contract and odells and got back peppers. So we saved money right there and got a nice player.

The trade got us an extra pick which turned into dexter Lawrence who has been the best or second best 0 tech in the nfl. One of the best run stuffing DTs and a shockingly high pass rate success. But what happened today where was Zeitler or the whole O-line it stinks and Geetleman is responsible don't tell me to not post the truth.

I suggest you do some more research before starting threads calling out the GM
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