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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/10/2019 9:23 am
Heres todays theme...  
bw in dc : 11/10/2019 9:27 am : link
If we lose to the miserable Jets and petrified Darnold its time for Mara and Tisch to put up a shingle outside of Jints Central...

FOR SALE

RE: Heres todays theme...  
section125 : 11/10/2019 9:30 am : link
In comment 14670700 bw in dc said:
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If we lose to the miserable Jets and petrified Darnold its time for Mara and Tisch to put up a shingle outside of Jints Central...

FOR SALE


There we go, that will solve everything...
I honestly  
rocco8112 : 11/10/2019 9:31 am : link
have no idea what to expect today.
.  
arcarsenal : 11/10/2019 9:31 am : link
The Toilet Bowl.

Can't wait.
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arcarsenal : 11/10/2019 9:32 am : link
For whatever it's worth, I do think NYG are better than the Jets right now. We really should win this game... but I totally expect this to be a 'get right' game for Darnold, so we'll see.
The excitement in my house for this game is  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/10/2019 9:36 am : link
off the charts...
Dan Duggan's tweet re: Jones playing under center.  
Diver_Down : 11/10/2019 9:38 am : link
I've been harping on this since preseason. Ron and I have discussed the snap-counts of Jones under center. Not just for the benefit of play-action or running, but it breaks up the tendency of predominant passing from the shotgun. There have been very few play-action plays from under center. The simplified scouting report is that whenever DJ is under center, it is a run. A defense certainly has picked up the tendency. DJ is smart enough and more than capable. Shurmur himself made the proclamation before DJ was even drafted that an NFL QB needs to have to play under center. Yet, DJ is now the starter and Shurmur is reluctant to put DJ under center.
Giants, especially DJ,  
Simms11 : 11/10/2019 9:40 am : link
need to stop turning the ball over. If they can do that, they have a good chance at winning every game. If you give any team a short field and some momentum, they will most likely take advantage. JETs safeties are very good and so DJ needs to take extra care.
I want a Giants win, Gentlemen  
Drewcon40 : 11/10/2019 9:47 am : link
But I’m nervous about losing and being the talk of the week of the Jets are bad but the Giants are worse.

I hope the porous o line of the Jets and maybe L Williams having some insight won’t allow Sam to throw.

I keep going back and forth as expectation. I want this win but can see a loss and all the embarrassment that comes with it.

Like arc - on paper we should win but we’ve lost games like this in the past.
After feeling apathetinc and indifferent all week long  
truebluelarry : 11/10/2019 9:50 am : link
I surprisingly woke up this morning ready for action. Let's kick the Jets asses today! Go Giants!
This is a game  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 11/10/2019 9:55 am : link
You have to win. And not on a last second play.
The loser of this game  
giants_10_88 : 11/10/2019 9:55 am : link
gets a better draft pick and their incompetent head coach fired imo. So why should we root for a win?

I'll root for a 38-45 loss with Jones throwing 5 TDs.
RE: The loser of this game  
Drewcon40 : 11/10/2019 9:59 am : link
In comment 14670732 giants_10_88 said:
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gets a better draft pick and their incompetent head coach fired imo. So why should we root for a win?

I'll root for a 38-45 loss with Jones throwing 5 TDs.


giants_10_88 - I would tend to agree but nothing is going to happen based off this game. Let;s get a win here and we can always drop a loss later against Miami.
Isn't like 'Groundhog Day' for a few seasons with this team  
micky : 11/10/2019 10:00 am : link
They lose the week before. All week it's bashing them and looking to draft etc etc etc and once gameday rolls up next week, there's this hope for a win and you get your hopes up prior.

Then....game time comes about

And it goes south again and again and again..

Wearing on one just to keep going..
Giants need to lose embarrasingly  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 11/10/2019 10:13 am : link
to fucking Gase and Darnold, only then will Mara/Tisch wake up (unlikely) or the fans will openly revolt.

This culture of hiring people with no resumes, Shermur and Mcadoo being the most recent, and keeping around non productive mascots, and ass canning the greatest Giants OC of all time who bought us Moon and Manning and a HoF HC who turned around 3 shit programs, needs to be completely flushed down the toilet.
RE: RE: The loser of this game  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/10/2019 10:16 am : link
In comment 14670735 Drewcon40 said:
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In comment 14670732 giants_10_88 said:


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gets a better draft pick and their incompetent head coach fired imo. So why should we root for a win?

I'll root for a 38-45 loss with Jones throwing 5 TDs.



giants_10_88 - I would tend to agree but nothing is going to happen based off this game. Let;s get a win here and we can always drop a loss later against Miami.


I'd disagree, Diehl just said that fans have no idea how important this game is to both ownership groups. A loss here and a loss to Miami at home in December would seal Shurmur's fate. I'm hoping for a 35-21 loss with three Jones TDs and a clean game. Too many points scored and dopey Mara will tell himself well its clearly the defense that is the problem and just fire Betcher.
....  
riceneggs : 11/10/2019 10:16 am : link
great day to get some yard work done. not watching this trash today
A Loss  
lax counsel : 11/10/2019 10:18 am : link
Today, needs to bring about a change to the whole regime, without question. This would be bottom for this franchise. This might be the worst Jets team since the mid 90s. I dont want to hear injury excuses, etc.
Just have Bethea play by the LOS all day  
Jimmy Googs : 11/10/2019 10:19 am : link
its not like he matters when playing deeper anyway...
The best way to watch this game ...  
Spider56 : 11/10/2019 10:22 am : link
is in a bar with 6 other games on at the same time ... it dulls the pain. The Bills and Browns should be entertaining.
We hung with DAL for 3 1/2 quarters  
Y.A. : 11/10/2019 10:30 am : link
With no turnovers' we should be good enough to beat NYJ. Go Giants!
Rooting for an embarrassing loss to Jets  
Steve in ATL : 11/10/2019 10:38 am : link
That will trigger change. No turnovers for Jones. No injuries.
RE: We hung with DAL for 3 1/2 quarters  
M.S. : 11/10/2019 10:40 am : link
In comment 14670763 Y.A. said:
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With no turnovers' we should be good enough to beat NYJ. Go Giants!

Yelberton Abraham -- maybe we hung close based on the score, but the Giants were savaged all day long at the line of scrimmage both sides of the ball. That last Dallas game felt like we were getting the stuffing kicked out of us from the starting whistle to the final whistle!
I'm always on the fence with these lost seasons  
SuperGiantMan : 11/10/2019 11:01 am : link
Like I'm sure all of you, I love the Giants and hate to see them lose. I'd love to see them dominate the Jets and win this here Toilet Bowl and feel good about ourselves for a minute. Getting some momentum, and some positive experiences for DJ, Saquon and young D can really add up into positive future gains.

But on the flip side, winning today will almost definitely hurt our draft slot and might saddle us with another year of this coaching regime. Maybe not all of the coaches, and maybe not just on this one game, but maybe... right? We've been theorizing that a loss here would be more than the Maras can take. So I'm on the fence. I hate for the Giants to lose any game, but its debatable that a win is really good for the franchise right now.

For me, I guess it'll be a win if everyone just stays healthy.
RE: I'm always on the fence with these lost seasons  
truebluelarry : 11/10/2019 11:04 am : link
In comment 14670790 SuperGiantMan said:
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Like I'm sure all of you, I love the Giants and hate to see them lose. I'd love to see them dominate the Jets and win this here Toilet Bowl and feel good about ourselves for a minute. Getting some momentum, and some positive experiences for DJ, Saquon and young D can really add up into positive future gains.

But on the flip side, winning today will almost definitely hurt our draft slot and might saddle us with another year of this coaching regime. Maybe not all of the coaches, and maybe not just on this one game, but maybe... right? We've been theorizing that a loss here would be more than the Maras can take. So I'm on the fence. I hate for the Giants to lose any game, but its debatable that a win is really good for the franchise right now.

For me, I guess it'll be a win if everyone just stays healthy.


I agree, but I'm rooting for a win today, then lose out, finish 3-13 and clean house.
RE: RE: We hung with DAL for 3 1/2 quarters  
Y.A. : 11/10/2019 11:06 am : link
M.S. No argument with you on any of that. And still we hung in, yes based on the score but that's what counts at the end, isn't it.

Of course we have major issues on multiple fronts. Still, a win is a win and this one is winnable, IMO.

In comment 14670775 M.S. said:
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In comment 14670763 Y.A. said:


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With no turnovers' we should be good enough to beat NYJ. Go Giants!


Yelberton Abraham -- maybe we hung close based on the score, but the Giants were savaged all day long at the line of scrimmage both sides of the ball. That last Dallas game felt like we were getting the stuffing kicked out of us from the starting whistle to the final whistle!
I'd never root for a loss  
Marty866b : 11/10/2019 11:08 am : link
Come on guys. The draft is a crap shoot where 50% of the players selected in the first round will be busts. We're playing the Jets today and some folks here are concerned about draft position? Good grief!
RE: RE: We hung with DAL for 3 1/2 quarters  
Eli Wilson : 11/10/2019 11:09 am : link
In comment 14670775 M.S. said:
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In comment 14670763 Y.A. said:


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With no turnovers' we should be good enough to beat NYJ. Go Giants!


Yelberton Abraham -- maybe we hung close based on the score, but the Giants were savaged all day long at the line of scrimmage both sides of the ball. That last Dallas game felt like we were getting the stuffing kicked out of us from the starting whistle to the final whistle!


To be fair - Giants won the time of possession battle too. So, it wasn't complete domination.
A loss  
WillVAB : 11/10/2019 11:13 am : link
Seems like the best outcome long term. Looking at the schedule theres a possibility the Giants could win 4 or 5 of their remaining games which will hurt their draft position and make Shurmur an easier sell for 2020.

RE: Rooting for an embarrassing loss to Jets  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 11/10/2019 11:17 am : link
In comment 14670773 Steve in ATL said:
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That will trigger change. No turnovers for Jones. No injuries.

A competent coach would gameplan and stick to it run out of the I often with the highest rated player since Peyton Manning and PA pass a lot to reduce the TOs that have been a clear problem since day 1.
RE: I'd never root for a loss  
micky : 11/10/2019 11:23 am : link
In comment 14670799 Marty866b said:
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Come on guys. The draft is a crap shoot where 50% of the players selected in the first round will be busts. We're playing the Jets today and some folks here are concerned about draft position? Good grief!


Yes still playoff possibility
just pray for a pisarchek moment today.....  
thrunthrublue : 11/10/2019 11:27 am : link
and Shurmur, d.g. etc. will be packing their bags!!!!!!!!
RE: The loser of this game  
bw in dc : 11/10/2019 11:35 am : link
In comment 14670732 giants_10_88 said:
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gets a better draft pick and their incompetent head coach fired imo. So why should we root for a win?

I'll root for a 38-45 loss with Jones throwing 5 TDs.


I'm usually right there with you during these brutal seasons, but I am willing to shelve that because it's the abyss losing to Jets College.
RE: I'd never root for a loss  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/10/2019 11:43 am : link
In comment 14670799 Marty866b said:
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Come on guys. The draft is a crap shoot where 50% of the players selected in the first round will be busts. We're playing the Jets today and some folks here are concerned about draft position? Good grief!


There is a huge delta between top 10 picks and the back half of the draft, especially at non QB. I don't really give a shit about draft position though, that shit takes care of itself. What matters is that there is zero argument for this coaching staff can come back, we know how Mara errs on that side of caution. I'd rather start fresh with a program builder, or a young d coordinator like salah or maybe richards.

I feel like everyone wants the next great offensive coordinator for HC and these defensive guys get overlooked and I think there is value there. Salah especially I think fits the profile of someone taht can become a very good head coach. Smart, analytical, experience both sides of the ball, energy. Guy seems to have it all but who knows if him and DG can coexist.
RE: RE: The loser of this game  
M.S. : 11/10/2019 11:43 am : link
In comment 14670819 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14670732 giants_10_88 said:


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gets a better draft pick and their incompetent head coach fired imo. So why should we root for a win?

I'll root for a 38-45 loss with Jones throwing 5 TDs.



I'm usually right there with you during these brutal seasons, but I am willing to shelve that because it's the abyss losing to Jets College.

No matter what the outcome, the equation remains the same: Giants = Abyss
We need a head coach that demands accountability of his players...  
M.S. : 11/10/2019 11:46 am : link

..and if that means getting in their grill and screaming in their earhole, fine with me. Giants players make the same mistakes game after game and no one really seems to give a shit!
Im hoping jones plays well obviously  
Giantfan21 : 11/10/2019 11:47 am : link
but im rooting for a loss. Yeah we'll be the laughingstock of the league but it's worth it in the long run if it will bring changes and wake up dufus mara . Not worried about draft position too much , but if it improves the chances that both shurmur and gettleman are gone then a loss to the jets while embarrassing is worth it to me .
RE: We need a head coach that demands accountability of his players...  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/10/2019 11:55 am : link
In comment 14670836 M.S. said:
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..and if that means getting in their grill and screaming in their earhole, fine with me. Giants players make the same mistakes game after game and no one really seems to give a shit!


PS doesn't hesitate to chew the refs ear off for half an hour, but when is the last time you seen him yell at a player? Never really thought about that, but its kind of telling. Its one thing if you aren't the type to yell and shit, but if your players see you yelling at the refs for a hot minute and then never at them, what type of message does that send?
I don't know  
Jimmy Googs : 11/10/2019 11:58 am : link
What type of message does it send to you?
Now That The Giants Have Their QB...  
Jim in Tampa : 11/10/2019 12:00 pm : link
Of the forseeable future (as in they wouldn't draft one this year now matter how high they picked) I refuse to root for a loss.

I'll root hard for a win and if they lose then I'll take comfort knowing that there will be some benefit.

Go Giants!
RE: Now That The Giants Have Their QB...  
TMS : 11/10/2019 12:04 pm : link
In comment 14670845 Jim in Tampa said:
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Of the forseeable future (as in they wouldn't draft one this year now matter how high they picked) I refuse to root for a loss.

I'll root hard for a win and if they lose then I'll take comfort knowing that there will be some benefit.

Go Giants!
. My feelings as well.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/10/2019 12:09 pm : link
Dan Salomone
@NYGsalomone

26m
Lineup changes:
Pulley for Halapio at C
Gates for Remmers at RT
Smith for Engram at TE
Slayton for Shepard at WR
RE: I don't know  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/10/2019 12:11 pm : link
In comment 14670844 Jimmy Googs said:
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What type of message does it send to you?


That he doesn't hold his players accountable and looks for external factors to blame. Sometimes that may be true, but that is not the message you send be sending. Total ownership and accountability is important.
Ok  
Jimmy Googs : 11/10/2019 12:16 pm : link
got it
Giants Win  
Percy : 11/10/2019 12:26 pm : link
Have never rooted for a loss all the years I've been on this team's bandwagon and I'm not about to start. It's not about draft position. It's about this game. Go Giants!
Cannot root for a loss. Especially against the Jets.  
RDJR : 11/10/2019 12:27 pm : link
Hoping Jones plays better today.
I'm going into the game completely ambivelant, can't really predict  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/10/2019 12:30 pm : link
what my feelings are going to be if its close, but if they are down, I know I'll be rooting for the rout. Open up Mara's eyes.
Wearing my salute to service hoodie  
Drewcon40 : 11/10/2019 12:32 pm : link
I didn’t serve - a blessed thank you to all of you who have.

Happy Veterans Day.

I want this one bad. We have plenty of games to lose. Come on Giants,
Let’s win this.

We have plenty of days to suck - let’s win today!!!
The  
AcidTest : 11/10/2019 12:34 pm : link
Jets are going to run a lot of stunts to try and confuse the OL and disrupt their chemistry, especially with a new C and RT. They will also likely try and beat Gates around the edge. Like almost everyone else, they should be able to control our OL with just four or five DL, and drop everyone else into coverage against our receivers who have trouble separating.

On defense, we need to generate pressure, which may be possible against their subpar OL. But if we can't, then Darnold will pick our secondary apart. We blow a lot coverages, and our LBs and safeties have had problems covering all year.
Im just so tired  
Giants86 : 11/10/2019 12:35 pm : link
Of not getting that excited nervous feeling on game days anymore.
I want a win but realize a loss may facilitate some changes. Part of me thinks Gettleman Shurmur need to be here next year to keep things stable and part of more feels as if they are not the solution. It truly is a terrible time to be a diehard fan of this team. Im 56 years old so Ive seen a lot.
There is no way in hell I could root for the Giants to lose to the Jet  
PatersonPlank : 11/10/2019 12:36 pm : link
Its not in my DNA. I hope we win 1,000 - 0.
May I remind you guys  
5BowlsSoon : 11/10/2019 12:37 pm : link
The Jets did beat Dallas and only lost to Buffalo by one point in the closing seconds. We got killed by both teams.

And now we have 4 starters injured and out on offense.
5 Bowls  
Drewcon40 : 11/10/2019 12:39 pm : link
Great point but

Dallas has significant injuries and actually had a great 2nd half to almost tie it.

Plus while the patriots had a big win over jets on Monday night, we hung with the pats on the road, bad weather with some injuries.

That being said - none of that matters in 20 minutes
I love the countdown clock on the pre-game show.  
Mr. Bungle : 11/10/2019 12:40 pm : link
Because none of us have any idea when it's going to be 1pm.
RE: May I remind you guys  
bw in dc : 11/10/2019 12:58 pm : link
In comment 14670884 5BowlsSoon said:
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The Jets did beat Dallas and only lost to Buffalo by one point in the closing seconds. We got killed by both teams.

And now we have 4 starters injured and out on offense.


True...and then Jets College just got manhandled by Miami CC.
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