Deliver a state of the state during bye week?
This shit show is as embarrassing as I can remember.....the team has regressed in such a way that there is no position on this team that can be considered a strength
And a long bye week till chicago, lets hope bye means bye, bye for p.s. horrible motivator, has turned the two first round picks, Barkley and jones into frightened whimpering shell shocked losers. The defense, never met a third down they could not give up.....Rojas is only good, at times, from 5 yards and in. Turn bye into bye, bye!
Please, dont anyone criticize Daniel Jones again, at least not until Shurmer and his play calling, the kicker, the offensive line and the defense get fixed!!
Daniel Jones, along with a couple of other players who show up every week and perform well, are the only gamers on the team.
At best, the Giants have 30 seconds to drive the length of the field with no time outs. And the offensive line can't give Jones enough time to look downfield.
Please, dont anyone criticize Daniel Jones again, at least not until Shurmer and his play calling, the kicker, the offensive line and the defense get fixed!!
Daniel Jones, along with a couple of other players who show up every week and perform well, are the only gamers on the team.
Please, dont anyone criticize Daniel Jones again, at least not until Shurmer and his play calling, the kicker, the offensive line and the defense get fixed!!
Daniel Jones, along with a couple of other players who show up every week and perform well, are the only gamers on the team.
Jones deserves to be criticized for his lack of ball security, just as much as he should be praised for the four touchdown passes.
jlukes is absolutely right. Shurmer has not a clue. today i have gone
from a defender to a convert that shurmer is not the head coach for the giants. i think you wait till end of season, and then fire him and shove the fucking siren up the jets ass
He was so bad today both blocking and running and shurmur refused to do anything about it . I hate this team, nothing other then john mara selling the team is going to fix this franchise
Need to be fired tonight. This franchise is a mess from top to bottom.
Glad some posters on here, and you know who you are, declared victory in Barkley pick a couple of weeks ago. Fire up the no one took a victory lap posts from the usuals suspects. Although l could probably put money on it we dont here from the pep squad similar to how they disappeared after Buffalo game.
RE: jlukes is absolutely right. Shurmer has not a clue. today i have gone
from a defender to a convert that shurmer is not the head coach for the giants. i think you wait till end of season, and then fire him and shove the fucking siren up the jets ass
I, too, am off the train. This whole staff sucks, and I'm finally over it.
I agree we should either IR Barkley or sit him until next season. We're just risking further injury to him at this point, and the season has long since been over.
As bad as the clock management was, mindlessly running Barkley into the line on first and second down, especially behind a makeshift OL, was even dumber. That put is into a lot of second and third and long situations with receivers who can't separate. The play calling was awful.
from a defender to a convert that shurmer is not the head coach for the giants. i think you wait till end of season, and then fire him and shove the fucking siren up the jets ass
espicially when the left tackle is struggling and you give him no tight end help or no help at all shurmur suck ass
Please, dont anyone criticize Daniel Jones again, at least not until Shurmer and his play calling, the kicker, the offensive line and the defense get fixed!!
Daniel Jones, along with a couple of other players who show up every week and perform well, are the only gamers on the team.
Jones deserves to be criticized for his lack of ball security, just as much as he should be praised for the four touchdown passes.
Ehhh Idk about that. Barkley should be criticized for his pathetic pass blocking. If he even made a decent block than DJ has no fumbles or turnovers today.
They need to flush the whole thing. 2017 offseason is just as much to blame for why the Giants are doing donuts at the bottom of the standings as Shurmur is.
Who picked gettleman ans shurmur as GM and HC > the answer is john mara.
Who is going to pick the next Gm and HC when both of these losers get fired ? the answer is john mara .
As long as hes making the decisions there is no hope. He has no idea what hes doing. SO yeah fire shurmur , fire gettleman but it aint going to get better when they are gone because MARA is going to fuck up the next big decisions to make
I decided to spend a few hours listening to spotify and doing some maintenance in the tool shed instead of watching the game. Because of that I'm a happy man with a house full of sharp and lubricated tools when by all rights I should be an angry and disgusted fan.
I think I've already decided how I'll spend the rest of this season.
I decided to spend a few hours listening to spotify and doing some maintenance in the tool shed instead of watching the game. Because of that I'm a happy man with a house full of sharp and lubricated tools when by all rights I should be an angry and disgusted fan.
I think I've already decided how I'll spend the rest of this season.
not because he's bad, he's the only semblance of an offense in a shitshow OL and backfield, and some #2 or 3 WRs.
They need to bench him to prevent him from getting killed and destroying his confidence, for good
For the sake of his career, might be a good move. Then trade him for good value and get one of next year's hot shots or find someone who can fix the team.
Offensive line play I have ever seen. Why draft a Barkley and Jones if you have no one to block. We wasted years of Manning's career. And Now we are wasting years of Barkley and Jones.
Offensive line play I have ever seen. Why draft a Barkley and Jones if you have no one to block. We wasted years of Manning's career. And Now we are wasting years of Barkley and Jones.
3 regulars were out.
RE: Here are the cold depressing facts for giants fans
Who picked gettleman ans shurmur as GM and HC > the answer is john mara.
Who is going to pick the next Gm and HC when both of these losers get fired ? the answer is john mara .
As long as hes making the decisions there is no hope. He has no idea what hes doing. SO yeah fire shurmur , fire gettleman but it aint going to get better when they are gone because MARA is going to fuck up the next big decisions to make
Where is Pete Rozellle when we need him? He forced the Maras to hire George Young.
with this staff and I do agree that if our owners continue to select we are going nowhere. Really wish they would sell the team to someone committed to winning and hiring folks that know what they are doing.
They (owners) do seem quiet lately which is very interesting, unless they are quoted more locally in NY. Seems like they are hiding.
Who picked gettleman ans shurmur as GM and HC > the answer is john mara.
Who is going to pick the next Gm and HC when both of these losers get fired ? the answer is john mara .
As long as hes making the decisions there is no hope. He has no idea what hes doing. SO yeah fire shurmur , fire gettleman but it aint going to get better when they are gone because MARA is going to fuck up the next big decisions to make
Where is Pete Rozellle when we need him? He forced the Maras to hire George Young.
I know it sounds stupid but giants fans need to stop going to games. The only way there will be changes and i mean real fucking changes like turning football operations over to a football guy and stopping to meddle is when it hits their pockets
All of them have to go; all that should be left is ownership.
Amen to this. Firing Shurmur and keeping the GM who hired him and missed on so many personnel moves is the ultimate stupidity. Of course, DG is from the family and we know how important that is to ownership.
I decided to spend a few hours listening to spotify and doing some maintenance in the tool shed instead of watching the game. Because of that I'm a happy man with a house full of sharp and lubricated tools when by all rights I should be an angry and disgusted fan.
I think I've already decided how I'll spend the rest of this season.
But you take time to come post here? Strange.
Not strange at all. I was curious how the game came out and I've been posting here for close to 25 years. I may not want to punish myself in real time but it would be tough to give up the team entirely and I like the site. In fact it would be strange if I did not come here.
RE: RE: RE: Here are the cold depressing facts for giants fans
Who picked gettleman ans shurmur as GM and HC > the answer is john mara.
Who is going to pick the next Gm and HC when both of these losers get fired ? the answer is john mara .
As long as hes making the decisions there is no hope. He has no idea what hes doing. SO yeah fire shurmur , fire gettleman but it aint going to get better when they are gone because MARA is going to fuck up the next big decisions to make
Where is Pete Rozellle when we need him? He forced the Maras to hire George Young.
I know it sounds stupid but giants fans need to stop going to games. The only way there will be changes and i mean real fucking changes like turning football operations over to a football guy and stopping to meddle is when it hits their pockets
It's not stupid actually. Only physical way to send a message. If the place fills up with traveling opponent players or empty seats it should send alarms off.
I decided to spend a few hours listening to spotify and doing some maintenance in the tool shed instead of watching the game. Because of that I'm a happy man with a house full of sharp and lubricated tools when by all rights I should be an angry and disgusted fan.
I think I've already decided how I'll spend the rest of this season.
But you take time to come post here? Strange.
Not strange at all. I was curious how the game came out and I've been posting here for close to 25 years. I may not want to punish myself in real time but it would be tough to give up the team entirely and I like the site. In fact it would be strange if I did not come here.
Oline is going to be critical to concentrate on in Free Agency and draft. If we can finally figure that out, then this might be a very good offense. Defense is lacking LBers a superior edge rusher and a free safety. I also think we need a DC that can get the most out of these guys. There is some talent there. STs are ok. Rosas is now playing for his job next year. These XP misses are unacceptable. They are generally chip shots.
Offensive line play I have ever seen. Why draft a Barkley and Jones if you have no one to block. We wasted years of Manning's career. And Now we are wasting years of Barkley and Jones.
You told us all he'd have his pick of jobs 15 mins after being fired.
He's got a little gig on his way to the HOF. How are your guys doing? oh yeah, Reese fired and oof, McAdoo fired and oof, Shurmur soon to be fired and oof and Gettleman to be fired sooner rather than later and oof and what are we up to now, about 175 million in FA busts since 2016. Enjoy.
Offensive line play I have ever seen. Why draft a Barkley and Jones if you have no one to block. We wasted years of Manning's career. And Now we are wasting years of Barkley and Jones.
Please, dont anyone criticize Daniel Jones again, at least not until Shurmer and his play calling, the kicker, the offensive line and the defense get fixed!!
Daniel Jones, along with a couple of other players who show up every week and perform well, are the only gamers on the team.
Jones deserves to be criticized for his lack of ball security, just as much as he should be praised for the four touchdown passes.
Really? You didnt see the pressure & the receivers that werent open? Or you think that Jones should have insulated himself and secured the ball when those conditions occurred and the Giants were behind? Cmon man. Save your criticism for something more worthy. There are a lot of things going on on with the Giants more worthy of criticism. If you have a problem with that, just dont give him credit for the 4 touchdowns and call it even in your mind.
Asked John Mara after the loss if he wanted to stop and comment. He never broke stride and exited the building. Clearly not happy with what is transpiring. Link - ( New Window )
- they are better than the Skins and Browns (not the Jets lol)
- they should have kept Coughlin and his perennial losing seasons
- they hung in there with the Jets, and a few players made plays, therefore they are the future
The only positive to take from this game is the Giants are a few plays away from being better than the last place Jets -- which is the world's most pathetic consolation prize.
Asked John Mara after the loss if he wanted to stop and comment. He never broke stride and exited the building. Clearly not happy with what is transpiring. Link - ( New Window )
HE owns this mess as the owner and CEO. Nobody to blame right now but himself.
I'm sorry, when did I want any of those guys? Failing to hire acceptable replacements doesn't absolve Coughlin of his teams sucking ass.
Jacksonville sure looks awesome, don't they?
I don't blame you for filing a disclaimer over this clown show- remember "it's time."
Jax is doing just fine- a conference championship game, a re-build, they are in the thick of it in the toughest division if football after having to play 9 games with a rookie 6th round pick, they get their qb back next week and have extra number 1 picks in the bank.
But they have people in charge who know their business, and we don't.
where problems are repeating themselves and not be addressed by the player (or the coaches). Some examples...
- Saquon looking worse every week in pass protection resulting in sacks, hits and now fumbles for touchdowns.
- Baker not turning around for the ball even when he has good coverage.
- Golden taking too hard of push up field leaving entire side wide open for Darnold to move into his space to make plays.
- What the hell is going on with extra points??
- Offensive Guards are at least starters and cannot move the DTs at all.
- Nothing at all from playcalling perspective to try and run the ball differently...jet sweeps, pitches, roll out DJ and SB.. Nothing
Whatever blue chip player you want to draft early, forget it. Sell that #1 pick and lets get a whole load of solid red-chip players.
The Redskins, the only team the Giants truly beat this year. (TB missed a chip-shot FG to beat G-men.). Washington fans, many of whom have given up on the Skins, are resigned to the consequences of a clueless owner. Apathy creeps into your bones and you begin to realize that while you suffer watching futility in motion, others are spending their afternoons productively and enjoyably.
Halapio did not play most of last year, so the big difference was the 2 Ts. Pulley started when Halapio went down. Shurmur chose not to help either with TEs.
Anyone who says the fucking arrow is pointed upwards is a delusional buffoon. And since it isnt after 2 years, and its arguably worse now, why the fuck should that old cocksucker, Gettleman get a pass? His ass should be in the jackpot too.
Offensive line play I have ever seen. Why draft a Barkley and Jones if you have no one to block. We wasted years of Manning's career. And Now we are wasting years of Barkley and Jones.
The Redskins, the only team the Giants truly beat this year. (TB missed a chip-shot FG to beat G-men.). Washington fans, many of whom have given up on the Skins, are resigned to the consequences of a clueless owner. Apathy creeps into your bones and you begin to realize that while you suffer watching futility in motion, others are spending their afternoons productively and enjoyably.
Our ownership is just as clueless and meddlesome as Synder, just not psychopathic. Chris Mara is VP of player personnel.
Gettleman said in an interview that as the GM, you have to get the head coach right, and you have to get the quarterback right. Jury's still out on the QB he's got the talent, if he can stop fumbling the rest will come... I think.
I have begun to think Gettleman whiffed on the head coach. I suspect he gets a second chance on that, but if they give Shurmur another year and things don't improve A LOT, he won't be around to choose the next HC.
What the fuck kind of blocking is Saquon Barkley...
Jax is doing just fine- a conference championship game, a re-build, they are in the thick of it in the toughest division if football after having to play 9 games with a rookie 6th round pick, they get their qb back next week and have extra number 1 picks in the bank.
But they have people in charge who know their business, and we don't.
Jacksonville is doing just fine! 9-16 since that conference championship game that you're so very proud of. If that's the mark of someone who "knows his business", I'd hate to see what not knowing his business would render.
Rebuilding?? Are you kidding me? Rebuilding from WHAT? They've been rebuilding since 2007.
Clown has absolutely no clue
Barkley should be shutdown for the season. Gotta believe that his ankle is not right. He is not helping the team.
Daniel Jones fumbles are maddening. He would be a good QB if he could solve that problem.
Pat Shurmur sucks at his job.
This shit show is as embarrassing as I can remember.....the team has regressed in such a way that there is no position on this team that can be considered a strength
Barkley should be shutdown for the season. Gotta believe that his ankle is not right. He is not helping the team.
Daniel Jones fumbles are maddening. He would be a good QB if he could solve that problem.
He admitted to the sideline reporter that he's not 100%. Why the fuck is he playing?
Clown has absolutely no clue
+1
Daniel Jones, along with a couple of other players who show up every week and perform well, are the only gamers on the team.
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Giants are trying to be good, and were expected to be better than this.
Daniel Jones, along with a couple of other players who show up every week and perform well, are the only gamers on the team.
Daniel Jones, along with a couple of other players who show up every week and perform well, are the only gamers on the team.
Jones deserves to be criticized for his lack of ball security, just as much as he should be praised for the four touchdown passes.
Shittiest?
i want Matt rhule and draft chase young...
Please get Chase Young!
Came back too soon.
Glad some posters on here, and you know who you are, declared victory in Barkley pick a couple of weeks ago. Fire up the no one took a victory lap posts from the usuals suspects. Although l could probably put money on it we dont here from the pep squad similar to how they disappeared after Buffalo game.
I, too, am off the train. This whole staff sucks, and I'm finally over it.
LOL. Oh jeez.
Truer words have never been spoken.
A competent coach adjusts and moves the pocket for his young, mobile QB.
I agree we should either IR Barkley or sit him until next season. We're just risking further injury to him at this point, and the season has long since been over.
As bad as the clock management was, mindlessly running Barkley into the line on first and second down, especially behind a makeshift OL, was even dumber. That put is into a lot of second and third and long situations with receivers who can't separate. The play calling was awful.
please don't fire anyone til we get # 2 or 3 locked up. An interim might be semi-competent and we could accidentally win a game or 2
49ers are the example of how to turn a franchise around.
They need to bench him to prevent him from getting killed and destroying his confidence, for good
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Please, dont anyone criticize Daniel Jones again, at least not until Shurmer and his play calling, the kicker, the offensive line and the defense get fixed!!
Daniel Jones, along with a couple of other players who show up every week and perform well, are the only gamers on the team.
Jones deserves to be criticized for his lack of ball security, just as much as he should be praised for the four touchdown passes.
Ehhh Idk about that. Barkley should be criticized for his pathetic pass blocking. If he even made a decent block than DJ has no fumbles or turnovers today.
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All of them have to go; all that should be left is ownership.
Truer words have never been spoken.
Im not sure about the ownership. Rozelle forced the feuding Maras to hire Geoege Young
No. We sucked with Coughlin too.
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No. We sucked with Coughlin too.
Who is going to pick the next Gm and HC when both of these losers get fired ? the answer is john mara .
As long as hes making the decisions there is no hope. He has no idea what hes doing. SO yeah fire shurmur , fire gettleman but it aint going to get better when they are gone because MARA is going to fuck up the next big decisions to make
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with team the Giants put on field today. Not defending Schurmer, but 3 backups on line just made it impossible.
A competent coach adjusts and moves the pocket for his young, mobile QB.
Yes today and at least three games ago I have been screaming this. He lets the opposing D pin their ears back every play.
I think I've already decided how I'll spend the rest of this season.
I think I've already decided how I'll spend the rest of this season.
But you take time to come post here? Strange.
They need to bench him to prevent him from getting killed and destroying his confidence, for good
For the sake of his career, might be a good move. Then trade him for good value and get one of next year's hot shots or find someone who can fix the team.
3 regulars were out.
Who is going to pick the next Gm and HC when both of these losers get fired ? the answer is john mara .
As long as hes making the decisions there is no hope. He has no idea what hes doing. SO yeah fire shurmur , fire gettleman but it aint going to get better when they are gone because MARA is going to fuck up the next big decisions to make
Where is Pete Rozellle when we need him? He forced the Maras to hire George Young.
They (owners) do seem quiet lately which is very interesting, unless they are quoted more locally in NY. Seems like they are hiding.
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Who picked gettleman ans shurmur as GM and HC > the answer is john mara.
Who is going to pick the next Gm and HC when both of these losers get fired ? the answer is john mara .
As long as hes making the decisions there is no hope. He has no idea what hes doing. SO yeah fire shurmur , fire gettleman but it aint going to get better when they are gone because MARA is going to fuck up the next big decisions to make
Where is Pete Rozellle when we need him? He forced the Maras to hire George Young.
I know it sounds stupid but giants fans need to stop going to games. The only way there will be changes and i mean real fucking changes like turning football operations over to a football guy and stopping to meddle is when it hits their pockets
Amen to this. Firing Shurmur and keeping the GM who hired him and missed on so many personnel moves is the ultimate stupidity. Of course, DG is from the family and we know how important that is to ownership.
Company guy. Always has been, always will be. I can't take that show with the company line. Papa is the only one willing to be real critical.
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I decided to spend a few hours listening to spotify and doing some maintenance in the tool shed instead of watching the game. Because of that I'm a happy man with a house full of sharp and lubricated tools when by all rights I should be an angry and disgusted fan.
I think I've already decided how I'll spend the rest of this season.
But you take time to come post here? Strange.
Not strange at all. I was curious how the game came out and I've been posting here for close to 25 years. I may not want to punish myself in real time but it would be tough to give up the team entirely and I like the site. In fact it would be strange if I did not come here.
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Who picked gettleman ans shurmur as GM and HC > the answer is john mara.
Who is going to pick the next Gm and HC when both of these losers get fired ? the answer is john mara .
As long as hes making the decisions there is no hope. He has no idea what hes doing. SO yeah fire shurmur , fire gettleman but it aint going to get better when they are gone because MARA is going to fuck up the next big decisions to make
Where is Pete Rozellle when we need him? He forced the Maras to hire George Young.
I know it sounds stupid but giants fans need to stop going to games. The only way there will be changes and i mean real fucking changes like turning football operations over to a football guy and stopping to meddle is when it hits their pockets
It's not stupid actually. Only physical way to send a message. If the place fills up with traveling opponent players or empty seats it should send alarms off.
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I decided to spend a few hours listening to spotify and doing some maintenance in the tool shed instead of watching the game. Because of that I'm a happy man with a house full of sharp and lubricated tools when by all rights I should be an angry and disgusted fan.
I think I've already decided how I'll spend the rest of this season.
But you take time to come post here? Strange.
Not strange at all. I was curious how the game came out and I've been posting here for close to 25 years. I may not want to punish myself in real time but it would be tough to give up the team entirely and I like the site. In fact it would be strange if I did not come here.
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Offensive line play I have ever seen. Why draft a Barkley and Jones if you have no one to block. We wasted years of Manning's career. And Now we are wasting years of Barkley and Jones.
3 regulars were out.
Solder and who else? Thanks.
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Offensive line play I have ever seen. Why draft a Barkley and Jones if you have no one to block. We wasted years of Manning's career. And Now we are wasting years of Barkley and Jones.
3 regulars were out.
Solder and who else? Thanks.
Remmers and Pio. That's 3 starting OL.
Jacksonville sure looks awesome, don't they?
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Please, dont anyone criticize Daniel Jones again, at least not until Shurmer and his play calling, the kicker, the offensive line and the defense get fixed!!
Daniel Jones, along with a couple of other players who show up every week and perform well, are the only gamers on the team.
Jones deserves to be criticized for his lack of ball security, just as much as he should be praised for the four touchdown passes.
Really? You didnt see the pressure & the receivers that werent open? Or you think that Jones should have insulated himself and secured the ball when those conditions occurred and the Giants were behind? Cmon man. Save your criticism for something more worthy. There are a lot of things going on on with the Giants more worthy of criticism. If you have a problem with that, just dont give him credit for the 4 touchdowns and call it even in your mind.
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No. Hes basically Mr. Invisible.
I don't know how Shurmur can stay in place much longer. Not saying the guys are giving up but they are not ready to play either.
Its mind-numbing watching them play...
The retorts are:
- they are better than the Skins and Browns (not the Jets lol)
- they should have kept Coughlin and his perennial losing seasons
- they hung in there with the Jets, and a few players made plays, therefore they are the future
The only positive to take from this game is the Giants are a few plays away from being better than the last place Jets -- which is the world's most pathetic consolation prize.
NE
Detroit
NY Jets
Minnesota?
Am I forgetting another game?
HE owns this mess as the owner and CEO. Nobody to blame right now but himself.
Jacksonville sure looks awesome, don't they?
Jax is doing just fine- a conference championship game, a re-build, they are in the thick of it in the toughest division if football after having to play 9 games with a rookie 6th round pick, they get their qb back next week and have extra number 1 picks in the bank.
But they have people in charge who know their business, and we don't.
- Saquon looking worse every week in pass protection resulting in sacks, hits and now fumbles for touchdowns.
- Baker not turning around for the ball even when he has good coverage.
- Golden taking too hard of push up field leaving entire side wide open for Darnold to move into his space to make plays.
- What the hell is going on with extra points??
- Offensive Guards are at least starters and cannot move the DTs at all.
- Nothing at all from playcalling perspective to try and run the ball differently...jet sweeps, pitches, roll out DJ and SB.. Nothing
Whatever blue chip player you want to draft early, forget it. Sell that #1 pick and lets get a whole load of solid red-chip players.
This is simply getting ridiculous...
Solder and who else? Thanks.
Remmers and Pio. That's 3 starting OL.
Thanks, Jim.
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Solder and who else? Thanks.
Halapio did not play most of last year, so the big difference was the 2 Ts. Pulley started when Halapio went down. Shurmur chose not to help either with TEs.
Remmers and Pio. That's 3 starting OL.
Thanks, Jim.
Anyone who says the fucking arrow is pointed upwards is a delusional buffoon. And since it isnt after 2 years, and its arguably worse now, why the fuck should that old cocksucker, Gettleman get a pass? His ass should be in the jackpot too.
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Offensive line play I have ever seen. Why draft a Barkley and Jones if you have no one to block. We wasted years of Manning's career. And Now we are wasting years of Barkley and Jones.
3 regulars were out.
3 regular whats?
Our ownership is just as clueless and meddlesome as Synder, just not psychopathic. Chris Mara is VP of player personnel.
Pat Shurmur sucks at his job.
I have begun to think Gettleman whiffed on the head coach. I suspect he gets a second chance on that, but if they give Shurmur another year and things don't improve A LOT, he won't be around to choose the next HC.
...using out there?
I mean really!
Adams makes contact with our #2 Draft Pick, bounces right off of Saquon Barkley right into the chest of Daniel Jones for a quick six pick-pocket.
If Bill Parcells were here, he'd throw a shit fit and tell Barkley to sit his ass on the bench. And fucking stay there.
Its like the difference between Rutgers and Alabama
But they have people in charge who know their business, and we don't.
Jacksonville is doing just fine! 9-16 since that conference championship game that you're so very proud of. If that's the mark of someone who "knows his business", I'd hate to see what not knowing his business would render.
Rebuilding?? Are you kidding me? Rebuilding from WHAT? They've been rebuilding since 2007.