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Today couldn't have gone better

GiantsFan84 : 11/10/2019 4:50 pm
I'm serious, there is no sarcasm in that statement.

The Giants suffered a humiliating loss to the Jets. And in the process the head coach made NUMEROUS blunders in game management.

I've been saying Shurmur needed to go since the Atlanta game last year. And this was the nail in the coffin.

I've also been super critical of DG. And this might be bad enough to where he gets canned to.

I know people are up in arms. But if you started today hoping for regime change (me), this was about as perfect a day as you could have hoped for.
Mara doesn't have the balls to do it  
Ned In Atlanta : 11/10/2019 4:51 pm : link
and if he does i'm sure we'll get another ernie accorsi coaching search as this ownership only makes decisions while smelling their own farts
Even if gettleman gets fired  
Giantfan21 : 11/10/2019 4:55 pm : link
Kevin abrams will be the new GM and mike smith will be the new HC because they are safe hires " and " adults in the room " . It really sucks when you know you have a dipshit owner who will never make the right decision.

John mara is as bad as james dolan at this point
Danny Dollhands  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 11/10/2019 4:55 pm : link
also continuing to show it, so that was my perfect game. Until he got stymied by 6 man fronts because everyone in the building except Shumner realized Barkley is toast.
Not going to happen  
Danny Dimes : 11/10/2019 4:55 pm : link
Giants put up a good fight, just enough for the coaches to keep their job
Maras MO is to hold on too long  
huygens20 : 11/10/2019 4:56 pm : link
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We can all dream but this coach nor GM will be the scapegoat

It’ll be bettcher that takes the fall and it’ll be a sad sad moment because you can only play the guys you’re given. Bettcher is playing guys 60 snaps a game that wouldn’t even sniff 10 snaps on an average defense.
I'm reading the other threads  
GiantsFan84 : 11/10/2019 4:56 pm : link
and people seem angry about today. You should be happy. We all know this regime sucks and needs to go. Today was a good day for that.
Your totally correct.  
WalterSobchak : 11/10/2019 4:56 pm : link
I feel the same way. Even had the falcons and jets jump us in draft position , and browns won and tampa bay. Great day. If the dolphins pull the upset it will be perfect.
You know what's going to happen  
jcn56 : 11/10/2019 4:57 pm : link
They'll can Bettcher or Shula (or both), make a statement cut, put out a presser about how this isn't good enough, how Giants fans deserve better, how they're committed to fixing it...

...and you'll be watching the same garbage next year. So long as Mara has bozos lining up to buy beer at the concession stands, he doesn't give a shit - that's why he hired a buddy at GM and his brother still has a VP title. Some shakeup.
RE: Maras MO is to hold on too long  
GiantsFan84 : 11/10/2019 4:57 pm : link
In comment 14672918 huygens20 said:
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We can all dream but this coach nor GM will be the scapegoat

It’ll be bettcher that takes the fall and it’ll be a sad sad moment because you can only play the guys you’re given. Bettcher is playing guys 60 snaps a game that wouldn’t even sniff 10 snaps on an average defense.


i don't think so. Shurmur made enough horrible calls today to do him in. Did you hear his rationale for the punt at the end of the game? "Sometimes they drop the punt. And we've seen things happen there and we like those changes better". I mean he couldn't have sounded like more of an idiot if he tried.
I have  
PaulN : 11/10/2019 4:58 pm : link
No faith that he has any clue nor desire to do anything other then saving his face and his pocketbook. The time has come to attack this owner, he has earned it, while he cashes out we lose money every week with this team. The time has come for us to hit him where he will do something, stay the fuck home Giant fans, let Mara see what he has done.
RE: I have  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 11/10/2019 5:00 pm : link
In comment 14672937 PaulN said:
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No faith that he has any clue nor desire to do anything other then saving his face and his pocketbook. The time has come to attack this owner, he has earned it, while he cashes out we lose money every week with this team. The time has come for us to hit him where he will do something, stay the fuck home Giant fans, let Mara see what he has done.

Also don't tune.

Unless you have Slayton in fantasy.
losing sucks  
dlauster : 11/10/2019 5:01 pm : link
I'd rather win out and pick 15th in the draft.
RE: RE: Maras MO is to hold on too long  
huygens20 : 11/10/2019 5:01 pm : link
In comment 14672930 GiantsFan84 said:
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We can all dream but this coach nor GM will be the scapegoat

It’ll be bettcher that takes the fall and it’ll be a sad sad moment because you can only play the guys you’re given. Bettcher is playing guys 60 snaps a game that wouldn’t even sniff 10 snaps on an average defense.



i don't think so. Shurmur made enough horrible calls today to do him in. Did you hear his rationale for the punt at the end of the game? "Sometimes they drop the punt. And we've seen things happen there and we like those changes better". I mean he couldn't have sounded like more of an idiot if he tried.


Dude

Look at the score

Jets are averaging like 10 points a game

Daniel Jones threw 4 tds


You’re biased against the head coach, which is fine, because he does actually suck. But the weak point on this team for 2 years running is the defense


Whose responsible for that??
another thing  
GiantsFan84 : 11/10/2019 5:02 pm : link
Whenever Shurmur speaks, I feel like he dodges accountability. It's always "well we were really bad last year" or "we're playing a lot of young guys" or "I see positive signs for the future". He's not taking ownership of the current state of the franchise or showing an urgency to win now. It feels like "it'd be nice to win now but it's not about now so I don't really care" And I feel like that attitude gets passed onto his players.
RE: RE: RE: Maras MO is to hold on too long  
GiantsFan84 : 11/10/2019 5:04 pm : link
In comment 14672955 huygens20 said:
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In comment 14672918 huygens20 said:


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We can all dream but this coach nor GM will be the scapegoat

It’ll be bettcher that takes the fall and it’ll be a sad sad moment because you can only play the guys you’re given. Bettcher is playing guys 60 snaps a game that wouldn’t even sniff 10 snaps on an average defense.



i don't think so. Shurmur made enough horrible calls today to do him in. Did you hear his rationale for the punt at the end of the game? "Sometimes they drop the punt. And we've seen things happen there and we like those changes better". I mean he couldn't have sounded like more of an idiot if he tried.



Dude

Look at the score

Jets are averaging like 10 points a game

Daniel Jones threw 4 tds


You’re biased against the head coach, which is fine, because he does actually suck. But the weak point on this team for 2 years running is the defense


Whose responsible for that??


i'm not biased against the head coach. i think his record speaks for itself.
Mara will probably only care  
Steve in ATL : 11/10/2019 5:07 pm : link
If the fans stop going to games to an embarrassing degree. TV broadcasts of an empty stadium would upset him.
RE: another thing  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/10/2019 5:14 pm : link
In comment 14672959 GiantsFan84 said:
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Whenever Shurmur speaks, I feel like he dodges accountability. It's always "well we were really bad last year" or "we're playing a lot of young guys" or "I see positive signs for the future". He's not taking ownership of the current state of the franchise or showing an urgency to win now. It feels like "it'd be nice to win now but it's not about now so I don't really care" And I feel like that attitude gets passed onto his players.


So true. Press conference after the game he talked about the three young OL being in. He has been doing it since training camp.
RE: Mara will probably only care  
Jim in Tampa : 11/10/2019 5:17 pm : link
In comment 14672990 Steve in ATL said:
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If the fans stop going to games to an embarrassing degree. TV broadcasts of an empty stadium would upset him.

Agree with this 100%.

The only thing that motivates Mara to make a HC change is "in-stadium embarrassment".

Giants hadn't fired a HC in-season since the mid-70s, but Mara fired McAdoo becasue he was afraid of what the reaction would be "in-stadium" late in the year after the Eli benching.

Fans should either not show up, show up and boo, do a ticket burning, fly planes with banners...whatever it takes.

Show DG and PS the door.

Shurmur is done and I think he knows it.  
joe48 : 11/10/2019 5:20 pm : link
Gettleman may have signed his death warrant also. There is no reason to bring this crew back. This is starting to remind me of the 70’s. This is rock bottom for me.
RE: Even if gettleman gets fired  
Justlurking : 11/10/2019 5:20 pm : link
In comment 14672901 Giantfan21 said:
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Kevin abrams will be the new GM and mike smith will be the new HC because they are safe hires " and " adults in the room " . It really sucks when you know you have a dipshit owner who will never make the right decision.

John mara is as bad as james dolan at this point


Would hope Tisch steps in at some point and is the Tim to John/Chris’s Wellington.
RE: Shurmur is done and I think he knows it.  
Justlurking : 11/10/2019 5:20 pm : link
In comment 14673065 joe48 said:
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Gettleman may have signed his death warrant also. There is no reason to bring this crew back. This is starting to remind me of the 70’s. This is rock bottom for me.


Hope so. It’s a disaster.
RE: Not going to happen  
Emil : 11/10/2019 5:22 pm : link
In comment 14672909 Danny Dimes said:
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Giants put up a good fight, just enough for the coaches to keep their job


This team continues to lose because of poor in game coaching decisions. The team has enough talent. Way more than the Jets.

Mara should give Matt Rhule a call.
Every loss  
Scooter185 : 11/10/2019 5:49 pm : link
Is really a win for the big picture.
RE: Even if gettleman gets fired  
LauderdaleMatty : 11/10/2019 5:51 pm : link
In comment 14672901 Giantfan21 said:
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Kevin abrams will be the new GM and mike smith will be the new HC because they are safe hires " and " adults in the room " . It really sucks when you know you have a dipshit owner who will never make the right decision.

John mara is as bad as james dolan at this point


If it wasn’t for Dan Snyder he’d be the worst owner in the NFL. As it is he’s close. At least Snyder made the cash himself to buy Wash. Mara is the picture of why hereditary monarchies became obsolete. Just obstinate and ignorant
Sure.  
an_idol_mind : 11/10/2019 5:55 pm : link
Just like when people were cheering for losses so Reese and McAdoo would be fired. That sure worked out well.

A bad team will stay bad. A loss isn't a win - it's just increasing the probability that the team will reset with another bad coach who gets little talent with which to work.
If Giants are 3-13 or 2/14  
Vanzetti : 11/10/2019 6:04 pm : link
It will be interesting to see if Mara finally realizes he needs to change his MO

So I guess I agree that this loss was a good thing. 5-11 probably leads to no change other than a scale hosting firing of one of the assistants

RE: Sure.  
Scooter185 : 11/10/2019 6:09 pm : link
In comment 14673268 an_idol_mind said:
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Just like when people were cheering for losses so Reese and McAdoo would be fired. That sure worked out well.

A bad team will stay bad. A loss isn't a win - it's just increasing the probability that the team will reset with another bad coach who gets little talent with which to work.


There's the possibility Mara makes yet another horrible decision, but that doesn't mean he should stick with the current horrible decision either
Oh, Shurmur should definitely go.  
an_idol_mind : 11/10/2019 6:48 pm : link
But if Mara doesn't realize that now, an extra 2-3 losses isn't going to save the day.
RE: RE: RE: Maras MO is to hold on too long  
giantstock : 11/10/2019 7:03 pm : link
In comment 14672955 huygens20 said:
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We can all dream but this coach nor GM will be the scapegoat

It’ll be bettcher that takes the fall and it’ll be a sad sad moment because you can only play the guys you’re given. Bettcher is playing guys 60 snaps a game that wouldn’t even sniff 10 snaps on an average defense.



i don't think so. Shurmur made enough horrible calls today to do him in. Did you hear his rationale for the punt at the end of the game? "Sometimes they drop the punt. And we've seen things happen there and we like those changes better". I mean he couldn't have sounded like more of an idiot if he tried.



Dude

Look at the score

Jets are averaging like 10 points a game

Daniel Jones threw 4 tds


You’re biased against the head coach, which is fine, because he does actually suck. But the weak point on this team for 2 years running is the defense


Whose responsible for that??


You played a crappy defensive team and your QB has been getting killed the last month. Who's responsible for that?
Giants are #3 right now  
WalterSobchak : 11/10/2019 7:16 pm : link
in draft position , today went great for a lot of reasons
RE: losing sucks  
djm : 11/10/2019 7:22 pm : link
In comment 14672954 dlauster said:
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I'd rather win out and pick 15th in the draft.


Same here. Once in a blue moon I might be ok with the losses, like 2003 or 2017, but it’s getting old. Winning begets winning in my view.
RE: another thing  
santacruzom : 11/10/2019 7:35 pm : link
In comment 14672959 GiantsFan84 said:
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Whenever Shurmur speaks, I feel like he dodges accountability. It's always "well we were really bad last year" or "we're playing a lot of young guys" or "I see positive signs for the future". He's not taking ownership of the current state of the franchise or showing an urgency to win now. It feels like "it'd be nice to win now but it's not about now so I don't really care" And I feel like that attitude gets passed onto his players.


Yep, that's absolutely a consistent character trait of his.
So the guy who has to be fired  
Jay in Toronto : 11/10/2019 8:09 pm : link
Is Mara.

How will that happen?
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