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Daniel Jones throws 4tds, and people still blame playcalling

huygens20 : 11/10/2019 5:06 pm
Its just amazing how willfully biased or disingenuous some of you guys are


Does shurmur suck as a HC? You bet
Does his play calls suck? You bet


But you know whats the bigger suck on this team that had a BIGGER contribution to losing in 2018? 2019?

The defense.


Stop bullshitting guys. Its the defense and the fact that we are always behind in games and forced to throw the ball. Sure we take 10 sacks a game, but thats because we are always in predictable situations. Why are we in those situations ?

Because this defense cant stop anyone to save their life.
The fumbling doesn't help  
Greg from LI : 11/10/2019 5:07 pm : link
.
Got a little lucky  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 11/10/2019 5:09 pm : link
long TD to Slayton the CB fell on a slant route and the S took a bad angle. And Tate was on elephant tranquilizers today taking it yard on a WR screen.
RE: The fumbling doesn't help  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/10/2019 5:09 pm : link
In comment 14672993 Greg from LI said:
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His first fumble happened when a pair of team "captains" got their buttholes shoved in.
because the playcalling sucks  
GiantsFan84 : 11/10/2019 5:09 pm : link
every QB puts up big time stats against the jets. their secondary is as bad as ours.

the playcalling was good today? it's like shurmur has the old tecmo bowl playbook with only 2 running plays.

another game went by without using barkley in the passing game.
Please explain to me why Shurmur moved the pocket more with Eli  
jlukes : 11/10/2019 5:10 pm : link
Than he does with Jones
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GiantEgo : 11/10/2019 5:11 pm : link
Long runs after catch made his day look alot better than it was
Running game is also not helping matters.....  
Simms11 : 11/10/2019 5:11 pm : link
I think thats on the Oline, but to your point, Defense has definitely been the culprit all year.
Nobody is ever open  
mattnyg05 : 11/10/2019 5:11 pm : link
Its always a tight window throw.
I love threads and comments like this.  
robbieballs2003 : 11/10/2019 5:12 pm : link
It isn't one or the other. It is both. Why is that so fuckin hard to understand?
Tell me what you loved about the playcalling...  
Giantfan21 : 11/10/2019 5:13 pm : link
was it running barkley into the middle of the OL 13 times and putting us in 2nd and 3rd long multiple drives ? Was it refusing to adjust and give gallman more carries instead of barkley ?

Perhaps is was keeping jones in the pocket instead of rolling out a mobile QB to help him deal with the constantly collapsing pocket ? Or perhaps help the LT who came in to replace soldier with some blocking help instead of leaving him on an island ?

Oh i know it must have been deciding to punt on 4th down with 2:40 left on the clock conceding defeat instead of giving your team 2 final real shot and either convert a 4th down or maybe you get a defensive penalty ?

Anyway i would love to hear what you loved about his playcalling
RE: Tell me what you loved about the playcalling...  
huygens20 : 11/10/2019 5:16 pm : link
In comment 14673030 Giantfan21 said:
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was it running barkley into the middle of the OL 13 times and putting us in 2nd and 3rd long multiple drives ? Was it refusing to adjust and give gallman more carries instead of barkley ?

Perhaps is was keeping jones in the pocket instead of rolling out a mobile QB to help him deal with the constantly collapsing pocket ? Or perhaps help the LT who came in to replace soldier with some blocking help instead of leaving him on an island ?

Oh i know it must have been deciding to punt on 4th down with 2:40 left on the clock conceding defeat instead of giving your team 2 final real shot and either convert a 4th down or maybe you get a defensive penalty ?

Anyway i would love to hear what you loved about his playcalling


dude

read the fucking original post

his play calling sucks. but its not the culprit or the biggest contributor to losing. It's the defense that's stopping this team from winning.

We made Darnold look like an average QB.
RE: RE: Tell me what you loved about the playcalling...  
Giantfan21 : 11/10/2019 5:19 pm : link
In comment 14673051 huygens20 said:
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In comment 14673030 Giantfan21 said:


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was it running barkley into the middle of the OL 13 times and putting us in 2nd and 3rd long multiple drives ? Was it refusing to adjust and give gallman more carries instead of barkley ?

Perhaps is was keeping jones in the pocket instead of rolling out a mobile QB to help him deal with the constantly collapsing pocket ? Or perhaps help the LT who came in to replace soldier with some blocking help instead of leaving him on an island ?

Oh i know it must have been deciding to punt on 4th down with 2:40 left on the clock conceding defeat instead of giving your team 2 final real shot and either convert a 4th down or maybe you get a defensive penalty ?

Anyway i would love to hear what you loved about his playcalling



dude

read the fucking original post

his play calling sucks. but its not the culprit or the biggest contributor to losing. It's the defense that's stopping this team from winning.

We made Darnold look like an average QB.


It's both . I dont know why it has to be 1 one or the other
Did you watch the game?  
Rflairr : 11/10/2019 5:22 pm : link
His playcalling is awful
thats all despite his playcalling  
Platos : 11/10/2019 5:25 pm : link
and yes the defense still sucks. this isn't on any one person.

i still think gettleman has made good moves to get us in the right direction. he needs to knock it out the park with this FA(although, temper expectations we're not that loaded with cap room) and the draft.
How many times did the Giants slam Barkey into the middle of the  
SterlingArcher : 11/10/2019 5:25 pm : link
line, knowing full well there was no chance to gain yardage? It is complete bullshit they did it to keep the defense honest!
Jones will  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/10/2019 5:26 pm : link
be a good NFL QB. He will address the fumbles this off-season. I am a little concerned with lack of anticipation with the rush but hopefully that is do to him working through defensive schemes.

I think he would be best served in more under center offense. Build a strong line and running game with play action is the best route I would hope they work towards. He can add the element of boots, waggles from this look.
Can a quarterback really "anticipate" blockers folding up like  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/10/2019 5:27 pm : link
chairs in front of him?
RE: thats all despite his playcalling  
Big Rick in FL : 11/10/2019 5:28 pm : link
In comment 14673092 Platos said:
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and yes the defense still sucks. this isn't on any one person.

i still think gettleman has made good moves to get us in the right direction. he needs to knock it out the park with this FA(although, temper expectations we're not that loaded with cap room) and the draft.


Gettleman also needs to fire the entire coaching staff.
So  
UConn4523 : 11/10/2019 5:29 pm : link
because we scored some points (finally) play calling isnt a problem?

Alrighty.
RE: Got a little lucky  
BestFeature : 11/10/2019 5:33 pm : link
In comment 14673001 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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long TD to Slayton the CB fell on a slant route and the S took a bad angle. And Tate was on elephant tranquilizers today taking it yard on a WR screen.


Let's take away all of the TDs were all QBs that weren't 100% due to their brilliance.
Daniel Jones  
charlito : 11/10/2019 6:28 pm : link
Is going to be a great QB😁
I think he has enough talent for NYG to build on  
Pete in CO : 11/10/2019 6:35 pm : link
Better OL, and maybe a QB coach??? We have so many holes on Defense to fill. The DJ project has to be 3-years-minimum.
He is consistently outclassed by decent or better DCs  
Giantz_comeback : 11/10/2019 6:37 pm : link
6 trips in the red zone vs the Boys...1 TD. Enough is enough. Time for a new staff to be brought in here.

Tomlin, a new OL coach and a new DC.
RE: RE: Got a little lucky  
Nine-Tails : 11/10/2019 6:58 pm : link
In comment 14673143 BestFeature said:
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In comment 14673001 Coach Red Beaulieu said:


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long TD to Slayton the CB fell on a slant route and the S took a bad angle. And Tate was on elephant tranquilizers today taking it yard on a WR screen.



Let's take away all of the TDs were all QBs that weren't 100% due to their brilliance.


Right with you there man. During a game break when they showed Mahomes to Mecole td, Mecole literally ran right through the defense. So should we dismiss Mahomes stats now too.

Jesus, some of these posts are so stupid, like they never even saw a game of football
Nitpicking the playcalling, no matter how easy it might be  
djm : 11/10/2019 7:04 pm : link
Always seemed cheap or too easy to me. To me it just comes down to how well the team plays. How prepared they are. Growth. The teams overall persona or aura. All that plus the gameplan but getting on the coach for a play here or there just doesnt tell enough of the tale here. Plus its so easy to second guess the playcall with revisionist history and sometimes this is just unfair. What is fair is how I feel unsettled with what shurmur brings to the table here.

I do agree that there are moments in many of these losses where a more logical or innovative or smart playcall might make a big difference, but to me there are bigger more wide spread concerns that one or two playcalls wont or cant fix.
As to the defense  
djm : 11/10/2019 7:07 pm : link
The HC gets the blame no matter what his forte might be. Shurmur isnt fixing a thing on defense, that Im sure of.

Mara hired an uninspiring HC. And thats being kind. You can spin this anyway you want but no excuse making is going to hide Shurmurs or this teams short comings.
Each week is further evidence  
Matt M. : 11/10/2019 7:27 pm : link
that he was a bad HC in Cleveland and should be gone. They need to completely clean house. There is not a single coach from this staff who should be retained.
Here's just an example of his poor game management...  
BillKo : 11/10/2019 8:50 pm : link
....we get the ball back after a missed FG with about 4 minutes and changes, 3 TOs.

He chooses to run the ball up the middle 2x in a row.

You've got to put the ball in the air there, esp against a team like the Jets.

AND.....you're getting the ball at the half.
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