He kept us in the game, but he put us farther in a hole with his fumbling.
Sy's evaluation of him has been spot on. He takes forever to read a defense. That's turning into more sacks and fumbles.
The fumbles aren't just normal fumbles either, they are the back-breaking kinds where 7 points are picked up by the opposing teams more times than not.
unbelievable, that prick jinxed us
When you are fumbling at an historically unprecedented rate, it is obviously not just a rookie issue. It’s a problem
When you are fumbling at an historically unprecedented rate, it is obviously not just a rookie issue. It’s a problem
Lamar Jackson fumbled 15 times in 9 starts last year. Never heard a word about it. He played on a team with a good OL.
a lot of times you'll see goff, wentz, actally whoever-- doesn't matter
they will preemptively take off or roll out when their second read doesn't produce a throw. they do this because they won't take their eyes off downfield and know where the escape route is while they are still trying to make a play
DJ doesn't do this... he'll just sit in the pocket until he gets blasted.
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Even though he was not the QB, the first two games
When you are fumbling at an historically unprecedented rate, it is obviously not just a rookie issue. It’s a problem
Lamar Jackson fumbled 15 times in 9 starts last year. Never heard a word about it. He played on a team with a good OL.
To be fair he ran a lot and exposed himself to that more. Also, he had a decent team. We're 2-8 so we have to blame someone.
This year they need to sign 2 OL at least as well as cluster draft at that position.
Injuries have been an issue. But every team has injuries
Play calling has also been an issue, along with poor pass protection
But he is fumbling at the highest rate n history so it is obviously also a QB problem
There are even more plays out there to be made that simply can't be because the o-line, tight ends, and now the running back can't give him any time.
Jones isn't taking his time. He's getting hit right away. He got clobbered 10 times officially in this game. Look at the six sacks and they were almost instantly in his face.
Jones is taking his time. He's getting hit right away. He got clobbered 10 times officially in this game. Look at the six sacks and they were almost instantly in his face.
No, not instantly. He had time to get rid of the ball on a few of those sacks.
The other issue is while he's mechanically pretty decent, he's got a horrible habit of patting the ball while going through his reads, if a receive is open or becomes open, that patting motion can add half a second or more to his action when he re-cocks to throw. That's putting him in some bad body positions to be tackled.
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Even though he was not the QB, the first two games
When you are fumbling at an historically unprecedented rate, it is obviously not just a rookie issue. It’s a problem
Lamar Jackson fumbled 15 times in 9 starts last year. Never heard a word about it. He played on a team with a good OL.
He ran the ball 147 times and 12 of his fumbles are listed on running plays, Not really a comparable situation
Some people are ridiculous . Harping on jones who was the only reason the game was even close and barely a peep about barkley except making excuses for him
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Comment deleted from thread 590334You saw a different game than I did.
Jones is taking his time. He's getting hit right away. He got clobbered 10 times officially in this game. Look at the six sacks and they were almost instantly in his face.
No, not instantly. He had time to get rid of the ball on a few of those sacks.
This looks pretty GODdamn instantaneous to me.
3 plays into the game
^This. Nobody gets open.
Jones isn't taking his time. He's getting hit right away. He got clobbered 10 times officially in this game. Look at the six sacks and they were almost instantly in his face.
Also agree. At this point, I'm concerned he'll become David Carr.
1. After today’s game he’s probably leading the league in sacks. He had the 5th highest number of sacks before today’s game, behind Winston, Murray and Flacco before the 6 sacks in the today’s game. He’s also probably played in fewer games. It’s obvious that he’s not getting sufficient protection.
2. How can anyone say the reason for his fumbles are he’s taking too much time to pickup open receivers when the receiving core he’s working with is so weak. The star has become Slayton, a rookie, and the former #1 Shepherd and #2 Tate, and #? Engram have missed several games, and he’s working with a receiver that was cut earlier in the year.
3. How can anyone say he fumbles too much, when he’s always playing from behind and needs to make things happen playing catch up all the time?
unbelievable, that prick jinxed us
I don’t think hand strength has much to do with it. He’s getting hit a lot from his blind side and he’s sticking in there to try and make a play. While admirable he needs to get rid of the ball quicker. That said this offense likely doesn’t move forward at all if he’s just checking down so it’s a bit of a catch 22. We can’t run the ball either so I can’t get on him that much for trying to make plays.
a lot of times you'll see goff, wentz, actally whoever-- doesn't matter
they will preemptively take off or roll out when their second read doesn't produce a throw. they do this because they won't take their eyes off downfield and know where the escape route is while they are still trying to make a play
DJ doesn't do this... he'll just sit in the pocket until he gets blasted.
This I believe is correct. He waits far to long to get the ball to the checkdown. By the time he goes there. he either is sacked or the RB is covered with no room to run.
not in this league.
Barkley and Solder did NOT stop the rusher bit ultimately is on him to hold the damn ball. That strip by Adams was pathetic
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fumbles. I have no problem criticizing Jones, but blaming the QB because he can't hold up when someone else shits their pants seems like a missing the real issue.
Barkley and Solder did NOT stop the rusher bit ultimately is on him to hold the damn ball. That strip by Adams was pathetic
Ultimately it’s a team game. Ultimately if the protection is breaking down as often as it does with theGiants, the qb will fumble, get sacked or throw an interception. Any qb.
When DJ decides he's gonna throw it, he takes the left hand off the ball briefly and gives the ball a quick pat before going into his release motion. Today, during that time interval, he got he ball stripped. And it's not the first time. That hitch in his delivery is causing problems because the OL sucks.
He has to LOSE that habit. Keep two hands on the ball, and when it's time to throw it, just rip it -- all in one quick motion.
Some QB mechanics gurus are ok with the rhythm pat. Some QBs can get away with it with better protection, but the Giants don't have that ant it's ultimately better to lose that hitch -- just keep your hands on it, till you're going to throw, then rip it.
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Barkley is an amazing talent but if he's playing hurt its clearly showing right now because he doesn't look good at the moment.
When DJ decides he's gonna throw it, he takes the left hand off the ball briefly and gives the ball a quick pat before going into his release motion. Today, during that time interval, he got he ball stripped. And it's not the first time. That hitch in his delivery is causing problems because the OL sucks.
He has to LOSE that habit. Keep two hands on the ball, and when it's time to throw it, just rip it -- all in one quick motion.
Some QB mechanics gurus are ok with the rhythm pat. Some QBs can get away with it with better protection, but the Giants don't have that ant it's ultimately better to lose that hitch -- just keep your hands on it, till you're going to throw, then rip it.
Good post and while I agree, thats tough to coach out of guys. I'd say the vast majority of fumbles are primarily a strength issue though, for the most part he does a good job of keeping two hands on the ball fairly high.
Barkley is an amazing talent but if he's playing hurt its clearly showing right now because he doesn't look good at the moment.
He fumbled a perfect snap. He was lucky to get it back. That was Barkley's fault?
Then when he’s running
Now he got pickpocketed
Next week, expect a defender to just take the handoff from Danny
But it's something work on for DJ, no doubt.
However, anyone who thinks most of these fumbles aren't breakdowns in the blocking scheme......I mean, DJ has guys on him before he's getting to that 2nd and 3rd read.
Those last two drives, what really was he supposed to do?
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but both those fumbles were on barkley. I know he's the golden boy and can do no wrong but he was obliterated twice by Adams and maybe Jones is assuming those blitzes get picks up.
Barkley is an amazing talent but if he's playing hurt its clearly showing right now because he doesn't look good at the moment.
He fumbled a perfect snap. He was lucky to get it back. That was Barkley's fault?
Nope, and he threw it away which was a good play that started as bad one.
When DJ decides he's gonna throw it, he takes the left hand off the ball briefly and gives the ball a quick pat before going into his release motion. Today, during that time interval, he got he ball stripped. And it's not the first time. That hitch in his delivery is causing problems because the OL sucks.
He has to LOSE that habit. Keep two hands on the ball, and when it's time to throw it, just rip it -- all in one quick motion.
Some QB mechanics gurus are ok with the rhythm pat. Some QBs can get away with it with better protection, but the Giants don't have that ant it's ultimately better to lose that hitch -- just keep your hands on it, till you're going to throw, then rip it.
Exactly .......
Then when he’s running
Now he got pickpocketed
Next week, expect a defender to just take the handoff from Danny
True. And the one the Jets challenged towards the end...that's gatta be the worse looking fumble if it was overturned
1) The Giants have a lot of straight line speed at the skill positions, but no experienced outside or downfield threats
2) The pass from every level is garbage
3) Jones has a fumbling problem
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Even though he was not the QB, the first two games
When you are fumbling at an historically unprecedented rate, it is obviously not just a rookie issue. It’s a problem
Lamar Jackson fumbled 15 times in 9 starts last year. Never heard a word about it. He played on a team with a good OL.
Some just want to point at every mistake to pump their chest and go see he's a bust.
Injuries have been an issue. But every team has injuries
Play calling has also been an issue, along with poor pass protection
But he is fumbling at the highest rate n history so it is obviously also a QB problem
Well they never all played together and we dont even use Barkley in the passing game, so moot point
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Even though he was not the QB, the first two games
When you are fumbling at an historically unprecedented rate, it is obviously not just a rookie issue. It’s a problem
Lamar Jackson fumbled 15 times in 9 starts last year. Never heard a word about it. He played on a team with a good OL.
Some just want to point at every mistake to pump their chest and go see he's a bust.
Most of us really like Jones. However this is nothing wrong with pointing out he needs to stop fumbling. Its pretty obvious. I don't understand why some here attack anyone who says anything negative about the kid.
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In comment 14673199 Big Rick in FL said:
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In comment 14673188 Vanzetti said:
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Even though he was not the QB, the first two games
When you are fumbling at an historically unprecedented rate, it is obviously not just a rookie issue. It’s a problem
Lamar Jackson fumbled 15 times in 9 starts last year. Never heard a word about it. He played on a team with a good OL.
Some just want to point at every mistake to pump their chest and go see he's a bust.
Most of us really like Jones. However this is nothing wrong with pointing out he needs to stop fumbling. Its pretty obvious. I don't understand why some here attack anyone who says anything negative about the kid.
I agree there. Jones has some flaws and I'm concerned about how they're continuing. Points to a coaching problem as well
But on the game thread look at the posts after he fumbles, it gets real bad
You hit the nail on the head!
If his pocket presence doesn't improve, and if he doesn't learn to feel/see pressure and continues to stand there like a statue with his eyes glued downfield... well, then, IMO he will become a journeyman QB. And the Giants will be set back another 3-5 years.
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I'm lost on what you mean here.
I think the positives far outweigh the negatives.
not in this league.