Today's performances by Saquon and Leveon are all you needed to see to understand why you don't invest in RB's in today's NFL. Whether you want to blame it on injury, situation, offensive line, it simply doesn't matter. RB's are successful when the situation around them is ideal and they aren't when it becomes their responsibility to lift everyone else. It's are a complementary position, not a prime one.
On top of that, the shelf life of RB's and their ability to stay on the field are both below optimal. For better or worse, workhorse backs take a beating and as seasons progress the bumps and bruises starts to affect them.
As much as we all love Barkley as a player, taking him at #2 last year was a collasal mistake. It would have been a good pick if everything else was in place and we needed a playmaker to get us over the top. Unfortunately, nothing else was in place and by the time everything gets in place, he'll be done with his rookie contract and it will be foolish to pay him what he's going to want. That pick set this franchise back and this is not soething that's being said in hindsight. Many people here said it at the time.
It's time this team invests in the offensive line and defense FIRST before addressing positions that don't mean anything in today's league. This franchise has been a failure for far too long and it's inexcusable.
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I would have liked to see a serviceable line BEFORE investing the #2 overall pick in a meaningless position. That’s the point.
An offensive guard out of Notre Dame? Really?
I think the furthest Saquon got before getting hit was 1 yard past the LOS and that happened once.
Agreed.
Look to the Ravens to see what good management and coaching look like.
That said, I fear they will have wasted his best years before they have this thing figured out.
And this will be compounded by the fact they are unlikely to be good next season either.
So within Barkley's prime years, which are right now while he's not being paid significant dollars before his contract is up for renewal, 3 of them will have been wasted.
The return on investment will have been terrible. They already have to replace 3 of the 5 offensive linemen going into next season already.
The idea put out when he was drafted was that he alone can make the offensive line better than it really is.
Clearly, folks miscalcuated on that one because the argument is being put forward that he needs a good line to do work. Problem, is the Giants never had a quality line in place before taking him.
It's a mess.
Funny how no one brings them up. Ever since they drafted zeke their offense has gone from ok to good or very good, overnight. And that coincided with romo retiring unexpectedly.
That said, I fear they will have wasted his best years before they have this thing figured out.
This is a silly statement. If Barkley declines by age 28. Darnold will be entering his prime. This statement probably won't age well.
Funny how no one brings them up. Ever since they drafted zeke their offense has gone from ok to good or very good, overnight. And that coincided with romo retiring unexpectedly.
Then I guess Elliott is a lot better than Barkley, because having Barkley hasn't done shit for this team.
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here. Look at how Carolina uses CMac. Different runs, various pass routes, unpredictability. I literally guess the Giants’ plays a majority of the time from my recliner. If I can do that, I promise the opposing coaches can, too.
You call the Gm incapable and then use CMac as your positive example. If you don’t see the irony in that my man...
Well he actually put a supporting cast around CMac. Show me Barkley with a good coach, a decent line, and a WR who scares a defense deep.
Lawrence Taylor could have been lost on a bad team if things go differently for him. What if the saints drafted LT? Are they winning 2 titles? With Bobby Hebert at qb? Doesn’t mean LT was a bad pick.
The giants failed to build around Beckham. They failed to build around Barkley. Shit, for 5 years they failed to build around the HOF qb and this place went ape shit about how fast the giants needed to move on from the qb. How’d that turn out? Same shit, different day.
The team sucks. Barkley is great.
Wasn't this year supposed to be "serviceable"? Gettleman should be fired for that collection of body bags he calls a line
Funny how no one brings them up. Ever since they drafted zeke their offense has gone from ok to good or very good, overnight. And that coincided with romo retiring unexpectedly.
Ummmm what? Dallas has one of the best offensive lines in football and they invested both high picks and dollars to that entire group. That being said, they only paid Barkley after they secured both their oline and their defense for the long term. Make fun of jones all you want but he built his team the right way. We’re just lucky they’ve stuck with Garrett at hc as long as they have. That’s a super bowl caliber roster..
Drafting Barkley, keeping Eli, Solder, the Lauletta situation, trading for Williams (we're going to have to lay out $15M+ for him), I thought the Baker trade up was too aggressive, etc.
And his so called specialty - building an OL - is looking barely better than Reese...
This thread is exactly why you should start paying attention. Because people like you are the problem. You believe anything gettleman wants to sell you without the ability to look at facts.
It’s really other worldly to me that fans of the nfl still don’t understand why running back is a position of limited return. But these are the same posters who have dug in their heels that the giants can go no wrong.
Lawrence Taylor could have been lost on a bad team if things go differently for him. What if the saints drafted LT? Are they winning 2 titles? With Bobby Hebert at qb? Doesn’t mean LT was a bad pick.
The giants failed to build around Beckham. They failed to build around Barkley. Shit, for 5 years they failed to build around the HOF qb and this place went ape shit about how fast the giants needed to move on from the qb. How’d that turn out? Same shit, different day.
The team sucks. Barkley is great.
Why is Barkley great? He’s had one good statistical season for a 5-11 team and now what’s shaping up to be a lost season for a probably worse than 5-11 team. There has not been a single game he has played in where he has made the difference between the offense doing enough to win and not doing enough to win. If Wayne Gallman and Orleans Darkwa has split Barkley’s touches over the last two years, the Giants are in exactly the same place. So what exactly is so great?
Hope you don’t sprain your AC joint patting yourself on the back.
He spent the past two years whining about not taking Darnold over Barkley. Now, he's spent the weeks since Barkley was injured saying we shouldn't have taken a RB.
He basically repackages the same garbage under a different title and posts it over and over again.
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You guys love to single out one player for all the problems with a team. Every time this team loses some of you can’t wait to blame everything on the Barkley pick. As if there weren’t 20 other things the giants did wrong that no one wants to acknowledge, nope, let’s go after the Barkley pick.
Lawrence Taylor could have been lost on a bad team if things go differently for him. What if the saints drafted LT? Are they winning 2 titles? With Bobby Hebert at qb? Doesn’t mean LT was a bad pick.
The giants failed to build around Beckham. They failed to build around Barkley. Shit, for 5 years they failed to build around the HOF qb and this place went ape shit about how fast the giants needed to move on from the qb. How’d that turn out? Same shit, different day.
The team sucks. Barkley is great.
Why is Barkley great? He’s had one good statistical season for a 5-11 team and now what’s shaping up to be a lost season for a probably worse than 5-11 team. There has not been a single game he has played in where he has made the difference between the offense doing enough to win and not doing enough to win. If Wayne Gallman and Orleans Darkwa has split Barkley’s touches over the last two years, the Giants are in exactly the same place. So what exactly is so great?
Darkwa played all 2017 and got 857 scrimmage yards and 5 td’s. Barkley had 2028 scrimmage yds with 15 td’s. So your argument is essentially that 1200 yards and 10 extra td’s are worthless in terms of winning football games... You my friend are the smartest man in the room.
Umm. he's only had one full season!
Spot on.
Too many Giants fans prefer style over substance...
He should have a had at least four weeks before
he even saw the practice field minimal no matter
how he said he felt . Thats on the coach .
We have seen what a spectacular he is .
Not to mention that the HC has not a clue how to
best use him .
If he ran behind the Dallas O-line he would be
the League leader without question .
Personally, I wanted Barkley, but my plan B was trade down and possibly take Jackson. That is also not revisionist history if you go look it up leading to the draft. There was not another QB in the draft who would have taken and none at #2.
Personally, I wanted Barkley, but my plan B was trade down and possibly take Jackson. That is also not revisionist history if you go look it up leading to the draft. There was not another QB in the draft who would have taken and none at #2.
Maybe. Darnold really concerned me with the "ghosts" comment two weeks ago. But he looked much better today.
I'll say this - he'd have more weapons here. And the Jets OL is as bad as ours...
He's had an injured and ineffective first half this year.
When the line has played well, he's played well. When the the line has been bad, his numbers aren't there.
It's stupid obvious the Giants need tremendous help on their line.
An offensive guard out of Notre Dame? Really?
Simple. Trade down.
Tough time to be a Giants fan.
Which is you don’t take a RB with 2nd pick.
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This thread is exactly why you should start paying attention. Because people like you are the problem. You believe anything gettleman wants to sell you without the ability to look at facts.
Geez. The pot calling the kettle....
You don't run a team planning for your efforts to fail.
Great RBs don't need "ideal" surroundings. Bad ones do. Good ones do well with OK support. Great ones turn the game upside down with OK support and are difference makers. On a good Sunday, Barkley barely gets anything resembling OK around him.
They were in a position to grab someone with HOF potential, grabbed him, and TRIED to build a line.
You have to invest in a RB. Certainly an argument could be made that you can get better value out of investing a little less, but you still need to invest.
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I don't think Saquon getting crushed repeatedly 3 yards behind the LOS each play is a fair rep of what he is or what he can do.
I would have liked to see a serviceable line BEFORE investing the #2 overall pick in a meaningless position. That’s the point.
It doesn't work like that.
This notion that there is a certain order here, that you need to build to OL before getting skill players is asinine. "Sorry, can't draft this talented player, so let's get an inferior line prospect".
Windows open and close too quickly today. You don't build rosters over the costs of 6 years anymore.
You build the whole fucking thing at once, take the best players you can. Fill the holes with FA.