I am asking this because I am seeing a lot of people saying we need to immediately fire both, but not a single person has provided us with any realistic alternative. Meaning, a coach and GM who are available and who would be an upgrade vs who we have now.
So, now is your chance to make that John Mara decision and make your selection.
Who do you want? The choices cannot already be employed as a GM or head coach.
Get back the NY Giants roots D-fence!!!!
John Fox
Wade Phillips
And have an OC that removes runs from the shotgun from the playbook. Insert play action passes and pitches to the running back. Learn to execute screen plays. Lean to tackle. Go back to a 4-3. Actually have a fullback that can block.
Stop having cornerbacks ten yards off the line of scrimmage. Draft in the first two rounds competent OL ,DE & LB players.
I think John Fox is done coaching. My opinion anyway. I am okay with Pepper or Wade as the DC, not the head coach.
I am surprised nobody said Jim Harbaugh yet.
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Pass hard, his passing offense is straight out of the 80's.
He won a Super Bowl only a few years ago. That's good enough for me.
Are you serious? That was one of the best defenses in this Era.
If that doesn't work? Go outside the comforts of this organization. Hire a consultant, that isn't a former employee, to help you identify somebody like Bill and give him the keys to build the whole thing. A single chain of command that is responsible for all hires and is solely accountable for the teams success and failures. Change the way this organization is structured because the insulated personnel vs coaching departments is antiquated and outdated.
Get a coach who wears both hats...
Get a coach who wears both hats...
When has that ever worked? It is hard enough to do one job well let alone both. Not to mention GM/HC combinations tend to get too attached to the players they brought in because they don’t want to look like a fool for bringing in those guys.
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the separate GM and HC positions.
Get a coach who wears both hats...
When has that ever worked? It is hard enough to do one job well let alone both. Not to mention GM/HC combinations tend to get too attached to the players they brought in because they don’t want to look like a fool for bringing in those guys.
That's silly - you think that doesn't apply to a GM, who at the end of the day decides who to keep and who to cut?
If anything - removing that plausible deniability for poor performance means the HC/GM combo is more likely to cut an underperforming player because he's got nobody to blame but himself.
Gm- promote someone from the pats, Steelers, Seattle, kc
Coach- promote a college coach who can bring in a coordinator with a track record of working with new qbs
Aces, respectfully I am not accepting it because the chances that Bill B would leave New England for this shit show WHILE he is still under contract is the same long shot as the Giants actually winning the Superbowl this year. He has that organization running like a fine tuned machine.
Do I like your idea? Absolutely! sign me up.. but it isn't realistic.
I am also okay with the rest of your ideas but again no names are attached.
And I have yet to see a name that's available that could handle both.
It can't be college guy or even a young hot shot assistant. It's just too much.
LOL...who?
1000%
Head Coach- I feel like I'm going to be in the minority with this but I'd love Jim Harbaugh. He turned SF around and took them to a SB. He is a CEO type of head coach- not some clown like Shurmur or McAdoo whos head is too far up his own ass to realize there is more to the team than just offense/QB play.
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I'm not having any difficulty, you just can't accept my answer. My plan would be contact Bill Belichick's people and to offer him whatever the hell he wants to get him here.
Aces, respectfully I am not accepting it because the chances that Bill B would leave New England for this shit show WHILE he is still under contract is the same long shot as the Giants actually winning the Superbowl this year. He has that organization running like a fine tuned machine.
Do I like your idea? Absolutely! sign me up.. but it isn't realistic.
I am also okay with the rest of your ideas but again no names are attached.
Bill has a history of being an opportunist and being a HC somewhere else hasn't stopped him from jumping ship in the past. If he likes Jones and Brady goes, this is a better opportunity. It's not as much of a longshot as people think.
I'm not qualified to give you names. There are people out there that are though. Gettleman/Shurmur ain't it, I know that much.
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Pass hard, his passing offense is straight out of the 80's.
He won a Super Bowl only a few years ago. That's good enough for me.
Are you serious? That was one of the best defenses in this Era.
Okay? And? They also had the #4 scoring offense.
I'm not qualified to give you names. There are people out there that are though. Gettleman/Shurmur ain't it, I know that much.
I agree that Shurmur is not the guy. For me, the jury is still out on Gettleman.
I am still challenging the arm chair owners out there who are quick to fire these two guys without naming REALISTIC replacements who can take this team and turn it into a winner.
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the separate GM and HC positions.
Get a coach who wears both hats...
When has that ever worked? It is hard enough to do one job well let alone both. Not to mention GM/HC combinations tend to get too attached to the players they brought in because they don’t want to look like a fool for bringing in those guys.
It has worked. Worked for Mike Shanahan in Denver. Works with Belichick.
Unfortunately, the system is so etched in how the league has worked that it's just assumed to be the right way to do business.
If I were a coach, I wouldn't want someone else picking my players. College coaches pick their own players. They don't have the AD do it...
I'd let the HC be the GM, pick his capoligist, pick his scouting director, scouts etc.
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I'm not qualified to give you names. There are people out there that are though. Gettleman/Shurmur ain't it, I know that much.
I agree that Shurmur is not the guy. For me, the jury is still out on Gettleman.
I am still challenging the arm chair owners out there who are quick to fire these two guys without naming REALISTIC replacements who can take this team and turn it into a winner.
My "realistic" choice would be Matt Rhule if I'm forced to give you one. He has NFL experience and has built up two programs in Temple and Baylor that were in really ugly spots before his arrival. He also turned down the Jets because they wouldn't allow him to pick his staff - that shows balls as well as the desire to have control over his own success or failure. From my perspective, that shows that he gets it to a degree.
But again, nobody on this board has the kind of information at their disposal to give you a real answer. We don't have references or contacts in the industry. I have absolutely no idea who the impressive front office assistants are or who the faceless assistant coach that can be the next John Harbaugh. You're asking fans on a message board to identify a guy for a position that is intangible driven. We don't have the resources to do that but the Giants and outside consulting firms do.
It only works if you strike gold with someone like BB or Parcells. Huge gamble.
Philly tried it and it probably would’ve wrecked their franchise if GM didn’t stick around.
Last, if you get rid of the coach, get rid of the GM. They made that mistake getting rid of Coughlin
Total offense. Yes. And BTW, that "all-decade" Broncos D wasn't even top-3 in the NFL that year
Point is that Kubiak has an advantage over all of these names: he has a Super Bowl to his name.
As for coach, whoever fits what the GM wants, is looking for, and program he is trying to implement.
As for coach, whoever fits what the GM wants, is looking for, and program he is trying to implement.
All good thoughts.
But we all know who is warming up in the Giants Way bullpen to relieve Gettleman - Kevin Abrams...
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Total offense. Yes. And BTW, that "all-decade" Broncos D wasn't even top-3 in the NFL that year
Point is that Kubiak has an advantage over all of these names: he has a Super Bowl to his name.
4.4 yards per play!!! Nuff fucking said.
His drafts have been pretty good. Considering he's held the 2nd and 6th slots, you'd expect them to be.
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Total offense. Yes. And BTW, that "all-decade" Broncos D wasn't even top-3 in the NFL that year
Point is that Kubiak has an advantage over all of these names: he has a Super Bowl to his name.
Gettleman has something like 7. I forget, but I'm sure he will remind us all at some point.
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Second, I don't love every move Gettleman has made. But his drafts have been strong and he at least accomplished gutting this roster. Now, we need an entirely new coaching staff and Mara nowhere near the personnel.
His drafts have been pretty good. Considering he's held the 2nd and 6th slots, you'd expect them to be.
Well I suppose it is easier to find a good player when you draft that high, but there have been plenty of picks in this league in the top 10 that turned into a bust.
We even have people now (after the past two weeks) hinting at Barkley being a bust.
I do think part of our problem at offensive line is coaching. There is no way we can go all of these years without finding ONE guy who can play on the line (sans Hernandez). Something else has to be happening here.