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Football is supposed to be fun. This isn't fun.

Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/10/2019 7:04 pm
This is just masochism at this point.

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This is not only not fun it is depressing  
Phil in Joisey : 11/10/2019 8:36 pm : link
With Mara ownership we are well on our way to another
era of 18 years of bad football and a plane flying
over the Meadowlands to let the world know.
This franchise is a joke. It is going nowhere,
building nothing and will continue that way
as long as John Mara is a part of the football decision
making.
No. It Isn't Fun  
Percy : 11/10/2019 8:38 pm : link
And won't be until reasonable fans can see a sound way forward to a new GM, a new Coach, and way better evaluations of player football talent, all aimed at securing better on the field performance. The Giants today get an F in all of these. Fs are no fun.

It's become exhausting to root for these losers. People laugh at you now for being a Giants fan. Does Mara give a damn? You have to wonder. If he doesn't he's going to lose it all. He's the top boob, the boob in charge. They'll start snickering at him and his family in restaurants, at their clubs, in their children's schools. Surely that's already begun with this mess of his -- and it is his, not someone else's. A mess for which there can be no sound excuse.
RE: they're rebuilding  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/10/2019 8:40 pm : link
In comment 14673793 bc4life said:
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this is what it looks like.

It sucks, I'm pissed, but I keep it in perspective.


If I saw the "building", I would be on board. But I don't see the foundation being built at all.
RE: RE: they're rebuilding  
BillKo : 11/10/2019 8:45 pm : link
In comment 14673829 Eric from BBI said:
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this is what it looks like.

It sucks, I'm pissed, but I keep it in perspective.



If I saw the "building", I would be on board. But I don't see the foundation being built at all.


I am really dissapointed in the OL.

Take for instance Hernandez....he looked like a quality pick in Round 2.

But he doesn't even stick out in a good way in his second year. I mean...he looks absolutely average and he's probably our best lineman.
Here's the issue  
ryanmkeane : 11/10/2019 8:45 pm : link
with our "rebuild"...the coach sucks and most of the players suck.
RE: RE: RE: they're rebuilding  
The_Boss : 11/10/2019 8:52 pm : link
In comment 14673840 BillKo said:
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this is what it looks like.

It sucks, I'm pissed, but I keep it in perspective.



If I saw the "building", I would be on board. But I don't see the foundation being built at all.



I am really dissapointed in the OL.

Take for instance Hernandez....he looked like a quality pick in Round 2.

But he doesn't even stick out in a good way in his second year. I mean...he looks absolutely average and he's probably our best lineman.


Do any players here get better from year 1 to year 2? This is why we donít sign anyone to 2nd contracts and have to dive into FA to improve the roster. Coaching/player development and talent evaluation is sorely lacking here. Thatís on PS and DG.
RE: they're rebuilding  
BH28 : 11/10/2019 9:08 pm : link
In comment 14673793 bc4life said:
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this is what it looks like.

It sucks, I'm pissed, but I keep it in perspective.


They are 49-72 since the 2012 season. This isn't re-building; it's ineptitude by ownership.
RE: RE: they're rebuilding  
MookGiants : 11/10/2019 9:23 pm : link
In comment 14673829 Eric from BBI said:
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this is what it looks like.

It sucks, I'm pissed, but I keep it in perspective.



If I saw the "building", I would be on board. But I don't see the foundation being built at all.


They started the foundation with a running back #2 overall on a team that desperately needed help at every premium position.

It should surprise no one that the foundation has a giant crack in it when they started the foundation at step #10 instead of step #1.

Masochism  
Raultney : 11/10/2019 9:45 pm : link
If you're a masochist, at least there's some pleasure in the pain. Being a Giants fan these days is either
A: An unfulfilling hobby
B: A bad habit
C: A waste of time
D: All of the above

Imagine getting up at 3:00 AM to wrap yourself in this continuous lunacy.
It started with the greedy move to psl  
Paulie Walnuts : 11/10/2019 10:05 pm : link
And the "new" stadium.. been there.. it's a pos. Youd think a stadium of that size would have adequate sized concourses? It's like a sardine can
. 2 billion for a tuna can?
.....  
Micko : 11/10/2019 10:10 pm : link
I changed my strategy this weekend. With the giants sucking for so long now I have already lost my oldest girls who have no interest in watching the team lose and me be miserable. My youngest son who is five decided that this was going to be the first game he watched with me as the ladies did something else. I donít want him to hate football so I treated the game as just a 3 hr fun thing to do with my son deciding from the start I didnít care what happened as long as he was having fun. I laughed with him through the initial 14-0 debacle and we cheered through the comeback and when he was getting disinterested we threw the ball around and got some donuts and watched the end of the game. He didnít care what happened but we had fun with me staying upbeat and I think I have my new football buddy. Time for me to stop being selfish about the g-men being life or death. The team sucks and deep down I hate this team right now but dammit if they are not going to ruin another Sunday for me.
Smartest Move  
Devour the Day : 11/10/2019 10:13 pm : link
The smartest move I EVER made in my life was not paying the ridiculous criminal price of 30K PSL for the right to buy 2 tickets at 250 per for 10 games a year not including parking to watch this disgraceful product. Every Sunday at church I thank the lord for guiding me and providing the smarts to not pay the ransom to Johnny "the criminal and idiot" Mara.
The fun of NFL football is way gone ..... that left when MetLife was built and insane pricing took hold and training camp left Albany.
RE: Smartest Move  
Paulie Walnuts : 11/10/2019 10:17 pm : link
In comment 14674136 Devour the Day said:
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The smartest move I EVER made in my life was not paying the ridiculous criminal price of 30K PSL for the right to buy 2 tickets at 250 per for 10 games a year not including parking to watch this disgraceful product. Every Sunday at church I thank the lord for guiding me and providing the smarts to not pay the ransom to Johnny "the criminal and idiot" Mara.
The fun of NFL football is way gone ..... that left when MetLife was built and insane pricing took hold and training camp left Albany.
agree I put my son on the waiting list back in 1994.. but once the PSL came, we passed
As a guy who runs a major  
fkap : 11/10/2019 10:33 pm : link
Giants fan site, Eric is stuck watching this drek.

I'm retired, so it's no real big deal to waste 4 hours on Sunday. Even then, I only half watch it while I surf the web.

But, anyone with kids, or anything better to do, why on earth would you make the Giants a priority? Right now, they're like a tv show that's long past its prime, but you keep watching just because you've invested so much time in the show.

You don't have to stop being a fan, or rooting for the Giants, but you don't have to not take advantage of more enjoyable/fruitful activities. The only reason to watch (if you're not enjoying it) is bragging rights to say you watched even in the bad years. Is that a real reason?
'This isn't fun.'  
Torrag : 11/10/2019 10:36 pm : link
It was a competitive game. We had a chance to win in the 4th quarter. There have been weeks we were blown out and that's no fun. You can only have so much fun when losing. If we had pulled it out you wouldn't be whining so much.
RE: 'This isn't fun.'  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/10/2019 10:43 pm : link
In comment 14674196 Torrag said:
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It was a competitive game. We had a chance to win in the 4th quarter. There have been weeks we were blown out and that's no fun. You can only have so much fun when losing. If we had pulled it out you wouldn't be whining so much.


Not buying it. The Jets were a 1-7 team with a ton of backups playing. They were averaging about 12 points per game. It was easy to predict this (and I did).
'It was easy to predict this'  
Torrag : 11/10/2019 10:47 pm : link
BFD we aren't playing well duh. You think predicting a loss is genius at work? You should take a time out and go watch badminton or something.
RE: 'It was easy to predict this'  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/10/2019 10:50 pm : link
In comment 14674227 Torrag said:
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BFD we aren't playing well duh. You think predicting a loss is genius at work? You should take a time out and go watch badminton or something.


Some fans are still living in denial. We are the get-well team for everyone.

The New York Giants may in fact be the worst team in football.

I'd take the shitty Ray Handley and Dan Reeves teams over this bunch.
RE: RE: they're rebuilding  
micky : 11/10/2019 10:50 pm : link
In comment 14673829 Eric from BBI said:
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this is what it looks like.

It sucks, I'm pissed, but I keep it in perspective.



If I saw the "building", I would be on board. But I don't see the foundation being built at all.


They're "building" alright! The foundation is straw and the floors above are brick.
The Giants are a stale walking dead franchise  
moespree : 11/10/2019 10:53 pm : link
They are bland, boring, stale, irrelevant. They are in desperate need of a re-hauling of the entire franchise with people who have zero connections to them and have never worked within their methods. New voices with new perspectives.
RE: RE: 'This isn't fun.'  
Thunderstruck27 : 11/10/2019 10:54 pm : link
In comment 14674214 Eric from BBI said:
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It was a competitive game. We had a chance to win in the 4th quarter. There have been weeks we were blown out and that's no fun. You can only have so much fun when losing. If we had pulled it out you wouldn't be whining so much.



Not buying it. The Jets were a 1-7 team with a ton of backups playing. They were averaging about 12 points per game. It was easy to predict this (and I did).


Sounds like it would have been more fun if you called a bookie
RE: 'It was easy to predict this'  
jcn56 : 11/10/2019 10:55 pm : link
In comment 14674227 Torrag said:
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BFD we aren't playing well duh. You think predicting a loss is genius at work? You should take a time out and go watch badminton or something.


Yeah, a lot of people stupidly thought Gettleman's collection of spare parts would be able to do more than 'compete' with a 1-7 team whose QB was 'seeing ghosts' a couple of weeks ago and is missing a ton of players to injury.

Of course anyone who knows better knew the shit state of the Giants essentially guaranteed them a win. No matter how hard the Adam Gase led, injury riddled Jets tried, the Giants were not about to let them escape with a loss.
This is on Mara  
Thunderstruck27 : 11/10/2019 10:57 pm : link
It was his edict that we carry Eli and his insane cap hit into this season. I prayed we cut him and signed Fitzpatrick in the off-season. That loyalty is really paying off. Think 15 million could buy some talent?
Torrag  
fkap : 11/10/2019 10:59 pm : link
Sure, we were in it, but after years of watching the D not be able to close the deal, there's a lack of confidence that we could pull of a win. We fight to get a lead, and then quickly give it up.

Is this what we're down to? being happy we almost won? being pessimistic about pulling out a victory and being right most of the time?
'Some fans are still living in denial.'  
Torrag : 11/10/2019 11:00 pm : link
Maybe you convinced yourself this wasn't a rebuilding year but it was. That's probably why you're so miserable.

We had personnel issues at multiple positions and first and second year starters at multiple positions. Our OC's are weak. Our RT is a placeholder. Our LB's stink. We don't have a FS to speak of. Then the genius head coach benches the only stabilizing element on the roster in Eli. It was over right there. Jones may be the future but he's not the present. Shurmur flushed any shot at respectability when he made the move so early. Now we pay the price.

Honestly what did you think was going to happen? Relax. Have a beer watch the young kids develop. That's all this season was ever going to be about. Some of it is fun. Slayton can ball. Jones should be good once he figures it all out. Saquon is struggling but we know he's a stud.
Torrag  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/10/2019 11:02 pm : link
The Giants have almost done the impossible. A team with two young who look like they could develop into stars at the QB and RB position has given their fan base little hope for the future.

Giants fans have tolerated a lot of crappy football in different decades because there was at least some hope things would get better. And you can point to many years where the Giants had a bad overall record, but fought hard in every game. Look at the 1995 season for example. Terrible season. But the Giants fought tooth and nail in every game that year and came close to upsetting far better teams. And that was with a coach we couldn't wait to get rid of.

Hell, I'd take Jim Fassel back over the ass clown we have now.

And Gettleman? He's more snake oil salesmen than GM.
Torrag  
fkap : 11/10/2019 11:02 pm : link
Sure, we were in it, but after years of watching the D not be able to close the deal, there's a lack of confidence that we could pull of a win. We fight to get a lead, and then quickly give it up.

Is this what we're down to? being happy we almost won? being pessimistic about pulling out a victory and being right most of the time?
Torrag  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/10/2019 11:05 pm : link
What did I expect to happen?

For the team to not regress. The defense is atrocious. Again. The offensive line is actually worse than the line that finished 2018 with a bunch of scrubs.

What did I expect? To not miss four extra points in three games.

What did I expect? To have a head coach whose every instinct is Costanza-like. (He should do the opposite of what his instincts tell him).

What did I expect. To not trade away two draft picks for an upcoming free agent, and then have your DC play a 2-lineman defense when you have 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick already invested in the position.
When does it stop being "a rebuilding year"?  
moespree : 11/10/2019 11:06 pm : link
They are 40-66 since 2013.

At some point in time the "rebuilding" excuse goes out the window and the reality of being a poorly run, disorganized, disaster of a franchise sets in.
midway through year 2 of rebuilding  
fkap : 11/10/2019 11:07 pm : link
there should be signs of positive change.
Instead, it looks worse than when the rebuild began, and no signs of hope.

only fools thought the rebuild was done. But we did think the rebuild should have been further than what it appears.
DVR  
Frank from CA : 11/10/2019 11:07 pm : link
We long time fans can watch it during the week and take stock of the good plays and players. Rooting for this team this season is hapless. Too many breakdowns and utter disappointment. It is like waterboarding as someone mentioned above. I do not see building when we only get one good player per draft. That is a trickle.
RE: midway through year 2 of rebuilding  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/10/2019 11:07 pm : link
In comment 14674274 fkap said:
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there should be signs of positive change.
Instead, it looks worse than when the rebuild began, and no signs of hope.

only fools thought the rebuild was done. But we did think the rebuild should have been further than what it appears.


That's the problem. It's not getting better. It's getting worse.
At least Jobes is in there.  
St. Jimmy : 11/10/2019 11:10 pm : link
I can be content he threw 4 TDs. At least there is hope with him. Last year was worse.
fkap be realistic and you won't be so upset  
Torrag : 11/10/2019 11:11 pm : link
This was always a multi year rebuild. The team is in flux. I'm more worried about the coaching than anything. I like a lot of the young players futures. But they're going through the learning curve. We have some caproom to continue the build. We'll have a good Draft slot. I'm not happy about it but I'm not despondent either. I'm worried some of you guys need to be talked off a ledge.
Jones  
St. Jimmy : 11/10/2019 11:12 pm : link
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Don't worry Eric....  
Tesla : 11/10/2019 11:12 pm : link
I'm sure once Mara realizes two years from now that DG doesn't have a fucking clue what he's doing Kevin Abrams will get this thing turned around in no time.

LOL.
How could you possibly think it would get better?  
Thunderstruck27 : 11/10/2019 11:12 pm : link
We had no cap room to sign anyone decent. The moment we chose to keep paying Eli was the moment we chose to prolong any rebuilding
RE: How could you possibly think it would get better?  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/10/2019 11:14 pm : link
In comment 14674289 Thunderstruck27 said:
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We had no cap room to sign anyone decent. The moment we chose to keep paying Eli was the moment we chose to prolong any rebuilding


Teams seldom get better through free agency. And when Gettleman has spent money on free agents, 90 percent of them have been disappointments.
Torrag  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/10/2019 11:16 pm : link
It's not getting better. They may have the QB, but he's getting the snot beaten out of him right now. Same with Saquon.

Gettleman said two years ago he'd fix the OL. It's worse.

The defense hasn't gotten any better.

The coaching is horrific.

You had better get on the ledge with us.
'there should be signs of positive change'  
Torrag : 11/10/2019 11:17 pm : link
They went to a rookie QB and that's not how you improve your record in the short term.

The roster is improving imo. They've brought in good young players that I see a future with. There is more work to do. We have cap assets and Draft slot for next season.

As far as today's game specifically? We started three backup OL. No Shep. No Engram. A gimped Saquon. You guys thought this was a gimme? LOL.
RE: RE: How could you possibly think it would get better?  
Thunderstruck27 : 11/10/2019 11:20 pm : link
In comment 14674293 Eric from BBI said:
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We had no cap room to sign anyone decent. The moment we chose to keep paying Eli was the moment we chose to prolong any rebuilding



Teams seldom get better through free agency. And when Gettleman has spent money on free agents, 90 percent of them have been disappointments.


I won't argue that Free Agency is the answer but to think that we can't invest 23 million dollars in a better position than backup QB...even Reese isn't that inept
RE: 'there should be signs of positive change'  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/10/2019 11:20 pm : link
In comment 14674301 Torrag said:
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They went to a rookie QB and that's not how you improve your record in the short term.

The roster is improving imo. They've brought in good young players that I see a future with. There is more work to do. We have cap assets and Draft slot for next season.

As far as today's game specifically? We started three backup OL. No Shep. No Engram. A gimped Saquon. You guys thought this was a gimme? LOL.


The Dolphins beat the Jets. And the Dolphins will be us.

As for the Jets:

Connor Hughes @Connor_J_Hughes
The Jets just won despite missing their projected starting: LG, C, RG, RT, WR2, DE, MLB 1, MLB 2, MLB 3-5, CB 1, CB2
'It's not getting better.'  
Torrag : 11/10/2019 11:25 pm : link
In terms of overall roster talent I disagree. Results are finicky when young players are relied upon. For example Baker had a solid game today but he didn't get his head around for an easy INT and instead gets called for PI. There is work to do.

I agree the coaching is a disaster. If there is a single aspect that scares me about the future it's the coaches. But coaches are replaceable.
RE: RE: midway through year 2 of rebuilding  
.McL. : 11/10/2019 11:30 pm : link
In comment 14674278 Eric from BBI said:
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there should be signs of positive change.
Instead, it looks worse than when the rebuild began, and no signs of hope.

only fools thought the rebuild was done. But we did think the rebuild should have been further than what it appears.



That's the problem. It's not getting better. It's getting worse.

as most of you know, I have been extremely critical of this regime. I after preseason, that the team was moving forward positively, and even though I wasn't a fan, DG deserved more time. After about 5 games, I realized that the team was actually worse. If I was seeing signs of improvement I would not have been as critical as I have been lately. These guys deserve every bit of crap we give them and more.
'The Dolphins beat the Jets. And the Dolphins will be us.'  
Torrag : 11/10/2019 11:31 pm : link
If that happens so what. This isn't about the present. If you can't see the forest for the trees and all you want to do is bitch and moan then take a break. It's not fun for you go do something else with your free time. The Giants will still be here when you're strong enough to watch again haha.
Reese > Gettleman  
Gmen703 : 11/10/2019 11:33 pm : link
Change my mind...
RE: Reese > Gettleman  
Thunderstruck27 : 11/10/2019 11:40 pm : link
In comment 14674346 Gmen703 said:
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Change my mind...


Erik Flowers>Saquon Barkley
RE: Torrag  
Giants38 : 11/10/2019 11:41 pm : link
In comment 14674298 Eric from BBI said:
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It's not getting better. They may have the QB, but he's getting the snot beaten out of him right now. Same with Saquon.

Gettleman said two years ago he'd fix the OL. It's worse.

The defense hasn't gotten any better.

The coaching is horrific.

You had better get on the ledge with us.


To Eric's point, Shurmur looks overmatched. And while people keep harping that it takes years to rebuild a franchise, look at what Jon Gruden is doing in Oakland, and they traded Mack and are moving the team at the end of the season. They signed Trent Brown, and he is blocking guys. We signed Nate Solder, and he is a turnstile. The excuses are getting old at this point.

We are losing because we stink and have bad football people in charge of making football decisions. And those guys don't get the benefit of the doubt because they are football guys. I can see giving Gettleman another season given that some of his draft picks at least appear to have promise. But Shurmur? No way. HIs game management is awful, and every week he simply looks overmatched out there.
I don't think I can put it any simpler than this..  
Danthebigbluefan : 11/10/2019 11:55 pm : link
Remember when Tiki Barber had a problem with ball security? And TC addressed it right away... and fixed it?

Well, how long have the ball security issues plagued DJ and yet.. it doesn't seem like there's been any thought given to fixing it, does it?

Not just from a DJ mechanics and grip/awareness standpoint. From a pass-protection scheme standpoint as well. No TE help on the line to assist in pass pro.

Nothing.

That's just ignorantly stupid.
Team is rebuilding  
bc4life : 11/11/2019 12:11 pm : link
DL is better will be one of the better ones in the league. Have some decent young talent in the secondary - Baker, Ballantine, Haley is a good tackler but seems to struggle in coverage a bit. Their Achilles heel is the LB corps - which is a serious issue in a 3-4 defense.

OL - Hernandez will be fine. Teams have tape on him - he'll continue to develop. Zeitler is a very good player, seems to be playing hurt. OL will take the longest to rebuild - completely changed all OL staff, This is where bad drafting hurt the Giants the most.

RE: Coaching staff - not qualified to render a decision. But, if they make a switch - I won't be surprised.

and for those who say this isn't a rebuild,

New GM, New HC and massive turnover of personnel and team is playing more rookies than any other team - not to mention the many 2nd and 3rd year players - this is exactly what a rebuild is.

I'm pissed too. I'm just not going to spend all day and night on a sports web site crying about it.
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