You can feel the misery in the stadium at home games. Even the parking lot, which would normally be jammed by 9 a.m., is 1/4 empty at noon. It’s starting to legit hit the fanbase finally. Sucks.
All in the name of "the Giants Way" like his father did after Lombardi/Landry. It all started with the new stadium and then the proverbial parade of mistakes.
Second half I threw the football outside in the yard with the kids. Much more fun.
But I’ve never had such apathy for this team - even though I’m big on Jones, Barkley, Golden, Slayton and a few others for the future. I’ll watch every snap as always but I’m deflated in terms of emotional investment.
I would have never missed games in the past.
I am 48 and luck enough to really start watch around 1980.
I recorded the game and went to my daughter's basketball practice and shot around after.
I will skim through it tomorrow but I don't get emotional about it anymore.
Some of the Coughlin seasons were disappointing and the Fassel and Reeves eras fell a little flat the last year or two but this is outrageous and really depressing.
This is non competitive, inept, sloppy, ugly, unmotivated, disjointed, I’m not even going to call it football.
They make a couple interesting drives during the game but in today’s offense happy and QB protect mode it’s not as impressive. Overall they are so bereft of impact and consistency in so many areas of the roster. One year discipline is a big problem, the next it’s gameplanning, the next it’s roster depth, the next it’s inability to educate and improve, the next it’s adjustments and injuries.
And i had a built in iron clad excuse to miss some stupid lunch engagement my wife doesn’t even like going to every year. I would rather go to that and save a few bucks than watch this sad sack of shit team, in person.
Between the nfl product deteriorating, the MetLife experience always sucking and the giants finding ways to get even even worse than 2013-2015, I am this close. Call me fair weather I don’t care, watching this team lose like this for so long is just killing me. It’s too painful. Love the giants so much but there has to be some hope at some point and I’m scared there isn’t.
And it's why I didn't even watch the game today. Why would I? To get frustrated and annoyed so I'm in a bad mood for the rest of my weekend?
There's a feeling fans have where they are at least tuning in every week to support an attractive style of football. They may lose and the team may just be outmatched in terms of talent. I think we'd all agree this is certainly ONE of the problems the Giants have.
However, when I watch vanilla, boring, uncreative, uninspiring, and generally unattractive dipshit play calling - that's when I lose my patience.
I don't mind if we lose, heck I don't mind if we lose a lot because, as I said, right now we don't have a good team compared to others. But we don't even game plan, it seems, to utilize our best players. And worse, our players aren't progressing they're regressing. I don't see the OL becoming this cohesive unit that we all hoped for. I see them staying as bad as they were last year and in the first 4 games of the season.
I don't see our defence and the players on that side of the ball doing anything that makes me go "ok we've got something with this player, he looks good" - I just go wow these guys fucking suck.
It starts at the top and trickles down, but I honestly can't fathom how John Mara is going to just sit back and watch another 7 games of this shit. Shurmur is a bum and he may be a nice man, that's great. But he's not a good HC. This is a performance-based business and why any owner/executive would say "well, we've always done it this way so we have to give him a full season" is the DEFINITION of insanity, and stupidity. You know what you have to do in 1.5 months, so why not just do it now and at LEAST start instilling some accountability into this organization that failure won't be tolerated and allowed to continue.
It's sickening. This is supposed to be a proud, legacy organization and ownership group. I feel like we're being laughed at by the clown organizations of the NFL.
There's countless examples of where I ask myself "what was the 'plan' there?"
Eli being kept with his massive salary when it's pretty obvious Jones was the guy.
Bettcher being given some sort of carte blanche to bring in all his old crew from Arizona.
Bringing Saquon back after 3 weeks out with a high ankle sprain, and then the fucking STUPIDITY OF STUBBORNNESS to not put Gallman in when Barkley's pass pro has been horrendous.
The LACK of help to our OL or any type of scheme to help a CLEARLY incompetent OL.
It goes on and on.
I just won't watch games if I have something better to do.
I truly believe a coaching change is needed at year end..... Â
there’s no way that this coaching staff turns this mess around even next year. There’s no improvement now, none. Unless they win out, which is highly unlikely, I think there’ll be a change. I hate to keep changing coaches and staff, but Giants made a mistake and have to own up to it.
I was excited when the started Jones even went to the Redskins game and left pumped!
Not just losing but the way they loose is depressing. They are an embarrassment. The state of the coaching staff gives me little faith in the future of this team.
I'm not watching this season - not unless they make a change Â
But were saddled with a perennial loser of a head
coach . this team is so poorly coached you don't
need to be an expert to see it .
Yes we had one very costly miss on Soldier but the
last two drafts look pretty solid the bad is
we need three starters and it takes time to gel '
Golden has bounced back ad has had a very good season.
I am fine with DG but the staff needs to go .
There was the rare cold front that brought mid-70's, blue skies, and no humidity to the area. Yet, I made the choice to watch the game. Pisses me off. One thing is for certain is that I won't make the same mistake next week.
And watched it on DVR. You can see an entire game in 45 minutes or so. Much less exposure that way. Not dedicating any full Sundays to football until the Giants are a semi legitimate organization. They aren't now. I don't believe in tanking and was rooting for them. But waste my Sundays....no more.
But it’s just that it’s been bad for too long....my son is starting to lose interest. He loves the NFL and the Giants, but he’s 10 years old. He started getting into 7 years ago. Terrible run.
But it’s just that it’s been bad for too long....my son is starting to lose interest. He loves the NFL and the Giants, but he’s 10 years old. He started getting into 7 years ago. Terrible run.
But it’s just that it’s been bad for too long....my son is starting to lose interest. He loves the NFL and the Giants, but he’s 10 years old. He started getting into 7 years ago. Terrible run.
He got into watching the Giants at 3 years old?
Yes, maybe 4. He would sit through an entire game at the stadium and knew a good amount of players.
With Mara ownership we are well on our way to another
era of 18 years of bad football and a plane flying
over the Meadowlands to let the world know.
This franchise is a joke. It is going nowhere,
building nothing and will continue that way
as long as John Mara is a part of the football decision
making.
And won't be until reasonable fans can see a sound way forward to a new GM, a new Coach, and way better evaluations of player football talent, all aimed at securing better on the field performance. The Giants today get an F in all of these. Fs are no fun.
It's become exhausting to root for these losers. People laugh at you now for being a Giants fan. Does Mara give a damn? You have to wonder. If he doesn't he's going to lose it all. He's the top boob, the boob in charge. They'll start snickering at him and his family in restaurants, at their clubs, in their children's schools. Surely that's already begun with this mess of his -- and it is his, not someone else's. A mess for which there can be no sound excuse.
It sucks, I'm pissed, but I keep it in perspective.
If I saw the "building", I would be on board. But I don't see the foundation being built at all.
I am really dissapointed in the OL.
Take for instance Hernandez....he looked like a quality pick in Round 2.
But he doesn't even stick out in a good way in his second year. I mean...he looks absolutely average and he's probably our best lineman.
Do any players here get better from year 1 to year 2? This is why we don’t sign anyone to 2nd contracts and have to dive into FA to improve the roster. Coaching/player development and talent evaluation is sorely lacking here. That’s on PS and DG.
If you're a masochist, at least there's some pleasure in the pain. Being a Giants fan these days is either
A: An unfulfilling hobby
B: A bad habit
C: A waste of time
D: All of the above
Imagine getting up at 3:00 AM to wrap yourself in this continuous lunacy.
And the "new" stadium.. been there.. it's a pos. Youd think a stadium of that size would have adequate sized concourses? It's like a sardine can
. 2 billion for a tuna can?
I changed my strategy this weekend. With the giants sucking for so long now I have already lost my oldest girls who have no interest in watching the team lose and me be miserable. My youngest son who is five decided that this was going to be the first game he watched with me as the ladies did something else. I don’t want him to hate football so I treated the game as just a 3 hr fun thing to do with my son deciding from the start I didn’t care what happened as long as he was having fun. I laughed with him through the initial 14-0 debacle and we cheered through the comeback and when he was getting disinterested we threw the ball around and got some donuts and watched the end of the game. He didn’t care what happened but we had fun with me staying upbeat and I think I have my new football buddy. Time for me to stop being selfish about the g-men being life or death. The team sucks and deep down I hate this team right now but dammit if they are not going to ruin another Sunday for me.
The smartest move I EVER made in my life was not paying the ridiculous criminal price of 30K PSL for the right to buy 2 tickets at 250 per for 10 games a year not including parking to watch this disgraceful product. Every Sunday at church I thank the lord for guiding me and providing the smarts to not pay the ransom to Johnny "the criminal and idiot" Mara.
The fun of NFL football is way gone ..... that left when MetLife was built and insane pricing took hold and training camp left Albany.
The smartest move I EVER made in my life was not paying the ridiculous criminal price of 30K PSL for the right to buy 2 tickets at 250 per for 10 games a year not including parking to watch this disgraceful product. Every Sunday at church I thank the lord for guiding me and providing the smarts to not pay the ransom to Johnny "the criminal and idiot" Mara.
The fun of NFL football is way gone ..... that left when MetLife was built and insane pricing took hold and training camp left Albany.
agree I put my son on the waiting list back in 1994.. but once the PSL came, we passed
Giants fan site, Eric is stuck watching this drek.
I'm retired, so it's no real big deal to waste 4 hours on Sunday. Even then, I only half watch it while I surf the web.
But, anyone with kids, or anything better to do, why on earth would you make the Giants a priority? Right now, they're like a tv show that's long past its prime, but you keep watching just because you've invested so much time in the show.
You don't have to stop being a fan, or rooting for the Giants, but you don't have to not take advantage of more enjoyable/fruitful activities. The only reason to watch (if you're not enjoying it) is bragging rights to say you watched even in the bad years. Is that a real reason?
It was a competitive game. We had a chance to win in the 4th quarter. There have been weeks we were blown out and that's no fun. You can only have so much fun when losing. If we had pulled it out you wouldn't be whining so much.
It was a competitive game. We had a chance to win in the 4th quarter. There have been weeks we were blown out and that's no fun. You can only have so much fun when losing. If we had pulled it out you wouldn't be whining so much.
Not buying it. The Jets were a 1-7 team with a ton of backups playing. They were averaging about 12 points per game. It was easy to predict this (and I did).
They are bland, boring, stale, irrelevant. They are in desperate need of a re-hauling of the entire franchise with people who have zero connections to them and have never worked within their methods. New voices with new perspectives.
It was a competitive game. We had a chance to win in the 4th quarter. There have been weeks we were blown out and that's no fun. You can only have so much fun when losing. If we had pulled it out you wouldn't be whining so much.
Not buying it. The Jets were a 1-7 team with a ton of backups playing. They were averaging about 12 points per game. It was easy to predict this (and I did).
Sounds like it would have been more fun if you called a bookie
BFD we aren't playing well duh. You think predicting a loss is genius at work? You should take a time out and go watch badminton or something.
Yeah, a lot of people stupidly thought Gettleman's collection of spare parts would be able to do more than 'compete' with a 1-7 team whose QB was 'seeing ghosts' a couple of weeks ago and is missing a ton of players to injury.
Of course anyone who knows better knew the shit state of the Giants essentially guaranteed them a win. No matter how hard the Adam Gase led, injury riddled Jets tried, the Giants were not about to let them escape with a loss.
It was his edict that we carry Eli and his insane cap hit into this season. I prayed we cut him and signed Fitzpatrick in the off-season. That loyalty is really paying off. Think 15 million could buy some talent?
Sure, we were in it, but after years of watching the D not be able to close the deal, there's a lack of confidence that we could pull of a win. We fight to get a lead, and then quickly give it up.
Is this what we're down to? being happy we almost won? being pessimistic about pulling out a victory and being right most of the time?
Maybe you convinced yourself this wasn't a rebuilding year but it was. That's probably why you're so miserable.
We had personnel issues at multiple positions and first and second year starters at multiple positions. Our OC's are weak. Our RT is a placeholder. Our LB's stink. We don't have a FS to speak of. Then the genius head coach benches the only stabilizing element on the roster in Eli. It was over right there. Jones may be the future but he's not the present. Shurmur flushed any shot at respectability when he made the move so early. Now we pay the price.
Honestly what did you think was going to happen? Relax. Have a beer watch the young kids develop. That's all this season was ever going to be about. Some of it is fun. Slayton can ball. Jones should be good once he figures it all out. Saquon is struggling but we know he's a stud.
The Giants have almost done the impossible. A team with two young who look like they could develop into stars at the QB and RB position has given their fan base little hope for the future.
Giants fans have tolerated a lot of crappy football in different decades because there was at least some hope things would get better. And you can point to many years where the Giants had a bad overall record, but fought hard in every game. Look at the 1995 season for example. Terrible season. But the Giants fought tooth and nail in every game that year and came close to upsetting far better teams. And that was with a coach we couldn't wait to get rid of.
Hell, I'd take Jim Fassel back over the ass clown we have now.
And Gettleman? He's more snake oil salesmen than GM.
Sure, we were in it, but after years of watching the D not be able to close the deal, there's a lack of confidence that we could pull of a win. We fight to get a lead, and then quickly give it up.
Is this what we're down to? being happy we almost won? being pessimistic about pulling out a victory and being right most of the time?
For the team to not regress. The defense is atrocious. Again. The offensive line is actually worse than the line that finished 2018 with a bunch of scrubs.
What did I expect? To not miss four extra points in three games.
What did I expect? To have a head coach whose every instinct is Costanza-like. (He should do the opposite of what his instincts tell him).
What did I expect. To not trade away two draft picks for an upcoming free agent, and then have your DC play a 2-lineman defense when you have 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick already invested in the position.
At some point in time the "rebuilding" excuse goes out the window and the reality of being a poorly run, disorganized, disaster of a franchise sets in.
We long time fans can watch it during the week and take stock of the good plays and players. Rooting for this team this season is hapless. Too many breakdowns and utter disappointment. It is like waterboarding as someone mentioned above. I do not see building when we only get one good player per draft. That is a trickle.
This was always a multi year rebuild. The team is in flux. I'm more worried about the coaching than anything. I like a lot of the young players futures. But they're going through the learning curve. We have some caproom to continue the build. We'll have a good Draft slot. I'm not happy about it but I'm not despondent either. I'm worried some of you guys need to be talked off a ledge.
I'm sure once Mara realizes two years from now that DG doesn't have a fucking clue what he's doing Kevin Abrams will get this thing turned around in no time.
LOL.
How could you possibly think it would get better? Â
They went to a rookie QB and that's not how you improve your record in the short term.
The roster is improving imo. They've brought in good young players that I see a future with. There is more work to do. We have cap assets and Draft slot for next season.
As far as today's game specifically? We started three backup OL. No Shep. No Engram. A gimped Saquon. You guys thought this was a gimme? LOL.
RE: RE: How could you possibly think it would get better? Â
We had no cap room to sign anyone decent. The moment we chose to keep paying Eli was the moment we chose to prolong any rebuilding
Teams seldom get better through free agency. And when Gettleman has spent money on free agents, 90 percent of them have been disappointments.
I won't argue that Free Agency is the answer but to think that we can't invest 23 million dollars in a better position than backup QB...even Reese isn't that inept
They went to a rookie QB and that's not how you improve your record in the short term.
The roster is improving imo. They've brought in good young players that I see a future with. There is more work to do. We have cap assets and Draft slot for next season.
As far as today's game specifically? We started three backup OL. No Shep. No Engram. A gimped Saquon. You guys thought this was a gimme? LOL.
The Dolphins beat the Jets. And the Dolphins will be us.
As for the Jets:
Connor Hughes @Connor_J_Hughes
The Jets just won despite missing their projected starting: LG, C, RG, RT, WR2, DE, MLB 1, MLB 2, MLB 3-5, CB 1, CB2
In terms of overall roster talent I disagree. Results are finicky when young players are relied upon. For example Baker had a solid game today but he didn't get his head around for an easy INT and instead gets called for PI. There is work to do.
I agree the coaching is a disaster. If there is a single aspect that scares me about the future it's the coaches. But coaches are replaceable.
there should be signs of positive change.
Instead, it looks worse than when the rebuild began, and no signs of hope.
only fools thought the rebuild was done. But we did think the rebuild should have been further than what it appears.
That's the problem. It's not getting better. It's getting worse.
as most of you know, I have been extremely critical of this regime. I after preseason, that the team was moving forward positively, and even though I wasn't a fan, DG deserved more time. After about 5 games, I realized that the team was actually worse. If I was seeing signs of improvement I would not have been as critical as I have been lately. These guys deserve every bit of crap we give them and more.
'The Dolphins beat the Jets. And the Dolphins will be us.' Â
If that happens so what. This isn't about the present. If you can't see the forest for the trees and all you want to do is bitch and moan then take a break. It's not fun for you go do something else with your free time. The Giants will still be here when you're strong enough to watch again haha.
It's not getting better. They may have the QB, but he's getting the snot beaten out of him right now. Same with Saquon.
Gettleman said two years ago he'd fix the OL. It's worse.
The defense hasn't gotten any better.
The coaching is horrific.
You had better get on the ledge with us.
To Eric's point, Shurmur looks overmatched. And while people keep harping that it takes years to rebuild a franchise, look at what Jon Gruden is doing in Oakland, and they traded Mack and are moving the team at the end of the season. They signed Trent Brown, and he is blocking guys. We signed Nate Solder, and he is a turnstile. The excuses are getting old at this point.
We are losing because we stink and have bad football people in charge of making football decisions. And those guys don't get the benefit of the doubt because they are football guys. I can see giving Gettleman another season given that some of his draft picks at least appear to have promise. But Shurmur? No way. HIs game management is awful, and every week he simply looks overmatched out there.
I don't think I can put it any simpler than this.. Â
Remember when Tiki Barber had a problem with ball security? And TC addressed it right away... and fixed it?
Well, how long have the ball security issues plagued DJ and yet.. it doesn't seem like there's been any thought given to fixing it, does it?
Not just from a DJ mechanics and grip/awareness standpoint. From a pass-protection scheme standpoint as well. No TE help on the line to assist in pass pro.
DL is better will be one of the better ones in the league. Have some decent young talent in the secondary - Baker, Ballantine, Haley is a good tackler but seems to struggle in coverage a bit. Their Achilles heel is the LB corps - which is a serious issue in a 3-4 defense.
OL - Hernandez will be fine. Teams have tape on him - he'll continue to develop. Zeitler is a very good player, seems to be playing hurt. OL will take the longest to rebuild - completely changed all OL staff, This is where bad drafting hurt the Giants the most.
RE: Coaching staff - not qualified to render a decision. But, if they make a switch - I won't be surprised.
and for those who say this isn't a rebuild,
New GM, New HC and massive turnover of personnel and team is playing more rookies than any other team - not to mention the many 2nd and 3rd year players - this is exactly what a rebuild is.
I'm pissed too. I'm just not going to spend all day and night on a sports web site crying about it.
Second half I threw the football outside in the yard with the kids. Much more fun.
I really need to know what this sentence means
It’s a total bummer that Giants football gives us so little to look forward to the last few years
I am 48 and luck enough to really start watch around 1980.
I recorded the game and went to my daughter's basketball practice and shot around after.
I will skim through it tomorrow but I don't get emotional about it anymore.
This is non competitive, inept, sloppy, ugly, unmotivated, disjointed, I’m not even going to call it football.
They make a couple interesting drives during the game but in today’s offense happy and QB protect mode it’s not as impressive. Overall they are so bereft of impact and consistency in so many areas of the roster. One year discipline is a big problem, the next it’s gameplanning, the next it’s roster depth, the next it’s inability to educate and improve, the next it’s adjustments and injuries.
Ugh.
Frankly, it was a more constructive use of my time.
Love coming to the site, enjoy the opinions, the passion, but the apathy is a big negative to the site
Just like the 70s
Love coming to the site, enjoy the opinions, the passion, but the apathy is a big negative to the site
Glad you find enjoyment. I hope it stays same for you
Between the nfl product deteriorating, the MetLife experience always sucking and the giants finding ways to get even even worse than 2013-2015, I am this close. Call me fair weather I don’t care, watching this team lose like this for so long is just killing me. It’s too painful. Love the giants so much but there has to be some hope at some point and I’m scared there isn’t.
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I get being disgusted, and even angry. But hope you re not joining the apathy crowd, they re hard to take.
Love coming to the site, enjoy the opinions, the passion, but the apathy is a big negative to the site
Glad you find enjoyment. I hope it stays same for you
Are you not familiar with what the word apathy means?
There's a feeling fans have where they are at least tuning in every week to support an attractive style of football. They may lose and the team may just be outmatched in terms of talent. I think we'd all agree this is certainly ONE of the problems the Giants have.
However, when I watch vanilla, boring, uncreative, uninspiring, and generally unattractive dipshit play calling - that's when I lose my patience.
I don't mind if we lose, heck I don't mind if we lose a lot because, as I said, right now we don't have a good team compared to others. But we don't even game plan, it seems, to utilize our best players. And worse, our players aren't progressing they're regressing. I don't see the OL becoming this cohesive unit that we all hoped for. I see them staying as bad as they were last year and in the first 4 games of the season.
I don't see our defence and the players on that side of the ball doing anything that makes me go "ok we've got something with this player, he looks good" - I just go wow these guys fucking suck.
It starts at the top and trickles down, but I honestly can't fathom how John Mara is going to just sit back and watch another 7 games of this shit. Shurmur is a bum and he may be a nice man, that's great. But he's not a good HC. This is a performance-based business and why any owner/executive would say "well, we've always done it this way so we have to give him a full season" is the DEFINITION of insanity, and stupidity. You know what you have to do in 1.5 months, so why not just do it now and at LEAST start instilling some accountability into this organization that failure won't be tolerated and allowed to continue.
It's sickening. This is supposed to be a proud, legacy organization and ownership group. I feel like we're being laughed at by the clown organizations of the NFL.
There's countless examples of where I ask myself "what was the 'plan' there?"
Eli being kept with his massive salary when it's pretty obvious Jones was the guy.
Bettcher being given some sort of carte blanche to bring in all his old crew from Arizona.
Bringing Saquon back after 3 weeks out with a high ankle sprain, and then the fucking STUPIDITY OF STUBBORNNESS to not put Gallman in when Barkley's pass pro has been horrendous.
The LACK of help to our OL or any type of scheme to help a CLEARLY incompetent OL.
It goes on and on.
I just won't watch games if I have something better to do.
Not just losing but the way they loose is depressing. They are an embarrassment. The state of the coaching staff gives me little faith in the future of this team.
Years and years of losing.
Mara can't get it fixed.
Something has to change, otherwise it's just insanity.
Only to get excited to see them claw back and take the lead, and then completely fall apart on offense and defense to finish the game.
In fact, numbing since about Dec 2016...
coach . this team is so poorly coached you don't
need to be an expert to see it .
Yes we had one very costly miss on Soldier but the
last two drafts look pretty solid the bad is
we need three starters and it takes time to gel '
Golden has bounced back ad has had a very good season.
I am fine with DG but the staff needs to go .
He got into watching the Giants at 3 years old?
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But it’s just that it’s been bad for too long....my son is starting to lose interest. He loves the NFL and the Giants, but he’s 10 years old. He started getting into 7 years ago. Terrible run.
He got into watching the Giants at 3 years old?
Yes, maybe 4. He would sit through an entire game at the stadium and knew a good amount of players.
It sucks, I'm pissed, but I keep it in perspective.
It sucks, I'm pissed, but I keep it in perspective.
Yeah......looks like we've got a QB with exceptional accuracy. Just need to build around him.
I've said this before, DG/PS can't worry about what happened from 2013 thru 2017.
But, the arrow is pointing down in Year 2 of this regime so someone has to fall on the sword.
Shurmur is my choice.
P.S. - I think Shurmur sucks
It sucks, I'm pissed, but I keep it in perspective.
This is a complete delusion.
era of 18 years of bad football and a plane flying
over the Meadowlands to let the world know.
This franchise is a joke. It is going nowhere,
building nothing and will continue that way
as long as John Mara is a part of the football decision
making.
It's become exhausting to root for these losers. People laugh at you now for being a Giants fan. Does Mara give a damn? You have to wonder. If he doesn't he's going to lose it all. He's the top boob, the boob in charge. They'll start snickering at him and his family in restaurants, at their clubs, in their children's schools. Surely that's already begun with this mess of his -- and it is his, not someone else's. A mess for which there can be no sound excuse.
It sucks, I'm pissed, but I keep it in perspective.
If I saw the "building", I would be on board. But I don't see the foundation being built at all.
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this is what it looks like.
It sucks, I'm pissed, but I keep it in perspective.
If I saw the "building", I would be on board. But I don't see the foundation being built at all.
I am really dissapointed in the OL.
Take for instance Hernandez....he looked like a quality pick in Round 2.
But he doesn't even stick out in a good way in his second year. I mean...he looks absolutely average and he's probably our best lineman.
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this is what it looks like.
It sucks, I'm pissed, but I keep it in perspective.
If I saw the "building", I would be on board. But I don't see the foundation being built at all.
I am really dissapointed in the OL.
Take for instance Hernandez....he looked like a quality pick in Round 2.
But he doesn't even stick out in a good way in his second year. I mean...he looks absolutely average and he's probably our best lineman.
Do any players here get better from year 1 to year 2? This is why we don’t sign anyone to 2nd contracts and have to dive into FA to improve the roster. Coaching/player development and talent evaluation is sorely lacking here. That’s on PS and DG.
It sucks, I'm pissed, but I keep it in perspective.
They are 49-72 since the 2012 season. This isn't re-building; it's ineptitude by ownership.
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this is what it looks like.
It sucks, I'm pissed, but I keep it in perspective.
If I saw the "building", I would be on board. But I don't see the foundation being built at all.
They started the foundation with a running back #2 overall on a team that desperately needed help at every premium position.
It should surprise no one that the foundation has a giant crack in it when they started the foundation at step #10 instead of step #1.
A: An unfulfilling hobby
B: A bad habit
C: A waste of time
D: All of the above
Imagine getting up at 3:00 AM to wrap yourself in this continuous lunacy.
. 2 billion for a tuna can?
The fun of NFL football is way gone ..... that left when MetLife was built and insane pricing took hold and training camp left Albany.
The fun of NFL football is way gone ..... that left when MetLife was built and insane pricing took hold and training camp left Albany.
I'm retired, so it's no real big deal to waste 4 hours on Sunday. Even then, I only half watch it while I surf the web.
But, anyone with kids, or anything better to do, why on earth would you make the Giants a priority? Right now, they're like a tv show that's long past its prime, but you keep watching just because you've invested so much time in the show.
You don't have to stop being a fan, or rooting for the Giants, but you don't have to not take advantage of more enjoyable/fruitful activities. The only reason to watch (if you're not enjoying it) is bragging rights to say you watched even in the bad years. Is that a real reason?
Not buying it. The Jets were a 1-7 team with a ton of backups playing. They were averaging about 12 points per game. It was easy to predict this (and I did).
Some fans are still living in denial. We are the get-well team for everyone.
The New York Giants may in fact be the worst team in football.
I'd take the shitty Ray Handley and Dan Reeves teams over this bunch.
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this is what it looks like.
It sucks, I'm pissed, but I keep it in perspective.
If I saw the "building", I would be on board. But I don't see the foundation being built at all.
They're "building" alright! The foundation is straw and the floors above are brick.
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It was a competitive game. We had a chance to win in the 4th quarter. There have been weeks we were blown out and that's no fun. You can only have so much fun when losing. If we had pulled it out you wouldn't be whining so much.
Not buying it. The Jets were a 1-7 team with a ton of backups playing. They were averaging about 12 points per game. It was easy to predict this (and I did).
Sounds like it would have been more fun if you called a bookie
Yeah, a lot of people stupidly thought Gettleman's collection of spare parts would be able to do more than 'compete' with a 1-7 team whose QB was 'seeing ghosts' a couple of weeks ago and is missing a ton of players to injury.
Of course anyone who knows better knew the shit state of the Giants essentially guaranteed them a win. No matter how hard the Adam Gase led, injury riddled Jets tried, the Giants were not about to let them escape with a loss.
Is this what we're down to? being happy we almost won? being pessimistic about pulling out a victory and being right most of the time?
We had personnel issues at multiple positions and first and second year starters at multiple positions. Our OC's are weak. Our RT is a placeholder. Our LB's stink. We don't have a FS to speak of. Then the genius head coach benches the only stabilizing element on the roster in Eli. It was over right there. Jones may be the future but he's not the present. Shurmur flushed any shot at respectability when he made the move so early. Now we pay the price.
Honestly what did you think was going to happen? Relax. Have a beer watch the young kids develop. That's all this season was ever going to be about. Some of it is fun. Slayton can ball. Jones should be good once he figures it all out. Saquon is struggling but we know he's a stud.
Giants fans have tolerated a lot of crappy football in different decades because there was at least some hope things would get better. And you can point to many years where the Giants had a bad overall record, but fought hard in every game. Look at the 1995 season for example. Terrible season. But the Giants fought tooth and nail in every game that year and came close to upsetting far better teams. And that was with a coach we couldn't wait to get rid of.
Hell, I'd take Jim Fassel back over the ass clown we have now.
And Gettleman? He's more snake oil salesmen than GM.
Is this what we're down to? being happy we almost won? being pessimistic about pulling out a victory and being right most of the time?
For the team to not regress. The defense is atrocious. Again. The offensive line is actually worse than the line that finished 2018 with a bunch of scrubs.
What did I expect? To not miss four extra points in three games.
What did I expect? To have a head coach whose every instinct is Costanza-like. (He should do the opposite of what his instincts tell him).
What did I expect. To not trade away two draft picks for an upcoming free agent, and then have your DC play a 2-lineman defense when you have 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick already invested in the position.
At some point in time the "rebuilding" excuse goes out the window and the reality of being a poorly run, disorganized, disaster of a franchise sets in.
Instead, it looks worse than when the rebuild began, and no signs of hope.
only fools thought the rebuild was done. But we did think the rebuild should have been further than what it appears.
Instead, it looks worse than when the rebuild began, and no signs of hope.
only fools thought the rebuild was done. But we did think the rebuild should have been further than what it appears.
That's the problem. It's not getting better. It's getting worse.
LOL.
Teams seldom get better through free agency. And when Gettleman has spent money on free agents, 90 percent of them have been disappointments.
Gettleman said two years ago he'd fix the OL. It's worse.
The defense hasn't gotten any better.
The coaching is horrific.
You had better get on the ledge with us.
The roster is improving imo. They've brought in good young players that I see a future with. There is more work to do. We have cap assets and Draft slot for next season.
As far as today's game specifically? We started three backup OL. No Shep. No Engram. A gimped Saquon. You guys thought this was a gimme? LOL.
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We had no cap room to sign anyone decent. The moment we chose to keep paying Eli was the moment we chose to prolong any rebuilding
Teams seldom get better through free agency. And when Gettleman has spent money on free agents, 90 percent of them have been disappointments.
I won't argue that Free Agency is the answer but to think that we can't invest 23 million dollars in a better position than backup QB...even Reese isn't that inept
The roster is improving imo. They've brought in good young players that I see a future with. There is more work to do. We have cap assets and Draft slot for next season.
As far as today's game specifically? We started three backup OL. No Shep. No Engram. A gimped Saquon. You guys thought this was a gimme? LOL.
The Dolphins beat the Jets. And the Dolphins will be us.
As for the Jets:
Connor Hughes @Connor_J_Hughes
The Jets just won despite missing their projected starting: LG, C, RG, RT, WR2, DE, MLB 1, MLB 2, MLB 3-5, CB 1, CB2
I agree the coaching is a disaster. If there is a single aspect that scares me about the future it's the coaches. But coaches are replaceable.
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there should be signs of positive change.
Instead, it looks worse than when the rebuild began, and no signs of hope.
only fools thought the rebuild was done. But we did think the rebuild should have been further than what it appears.
That's the problem. It's not getting better. It's getting worse.
as most of you know, I have been extremely critical of this regime. I after preseason, that the team was moving forward positively, and even though I wasn't a fan, DG deserved more time. After about 5 games, I realized that the team was actually worse. If I was seeing signs of improvement I would not have been as critical as I have been lately. These guys deserve every bit of crap we give them and more.
Erik Flowers>Saquon Barkley
Gettleman said two years ago he'd fix the OL. It's worse.
The defense hasn't gotten any better.
The coaching is horrific.
You had better get on the ledge with us.
To Eric's point, Shurmur looks overmatched. And while people keep harping that it takes years to rebuild a franchise, look at what Jon Gruden is doing in Oakland, and they traded Mack and are moving the team at the end of the season. They signed Trent Brown, and he is blocking guys. We signed Nate Solder, and he is a turnstile. The excuses are getting old at this point.
We are losing because we stink and have bad football people in charge of making football decisions. And those guys don't get the benefit of the doubt because they are football guys. I can see giving Gettleman another season given that some of his draft picks at least appear to have promise. But Shurmur? No way. HIs game management is awful, and every week he simply looks overmatched out there.
Well, how long have the ball security issues plagued DJ and yet.. it doesn't seem like there's been any thought given to fixing it, does it?
Not just from a DJ mechanics and grip/awareness standpoint. From a pass-protection scheme standpoint as well. No TE help on the line to assist in pass pro.
Nothing.
That's just ignorantly stupid.
OL - Hernandez will be fine. Teams have tape on him - he'll continue to develop. Zeitler is a very good player, seems to be playing hurt. OL will take the longest to rebuild - completely changed all OL staff, This is where bad drafting hurt the Giants the most.
RE: Coaching staff - not qualified to render a decision. But, if they make a switch - I won't be surprised.
and for those who say this isn't a rebuild,
New GM, New HC and massive turnover of personnel and team is playing more rookies than any other team - not to mention the many 2nd and 3rd year players - this is exactly what a rebuild is.
I'm pissed too. I'm just not going to spend all day and night on a sports web site crying about it.