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ray in arlington : 11/10/2019 8:01 pm
Numbers are parentheses is NYG games back in SOS compared to each team. (Big negative numbers are good for NYG winning tiebreak and picking ahead).

1. CIN 0-9 (-9.5) #
2. WAS 1-8 (-7.5) ## see below
3. NYG 2-8
4. MIA 2-7 (-1)
5. NYJ 2-7 (-1.5)
6. ATL 2-7 (-16) ##
7. CLE 3-6 (-5)
8. DEN 3-6 (-9.5) #
9. TB 3-6 (-9.5) #
10. ARI 3-6-1
11. DET 3-5-1

## almost certainly pick behind NYG in case of a tie
# likely to pick behind NYG in case of a tie

In this listing, ties are broken using the stregth of schedule (SOS) based on the current records of all 16 opponents (division opponents count twice).
Lower SOS picks earlier. The NFL puts out draft order that doesn't include an opponents record in a team's SOS until that team plays that opponent.

Right now the Giants 16 opponents are 68-76 (.472).


If the Giants end up tied with WAS (whether they beat WAS or not),
the team that picks ahead is the team that wins fewer games against the following two teams. You can see the Giants would almost certainly pick ahead.

NYG: ARI, TB. Currently 6.5 wins (12.5 losses)
WAS: CAR, SF. Currently 13 wins (4 losses)

A similar tiebreak occurs for NYJ and MIA.

NYJ: JAC, OAK Currently 9 wins (9 losses)
MIA: LAC, IND Currently 9 wins (10 losses)



Note that these exciting matchups should generate wins by the bottom teams:

CIN-MIA
CIN-NYJ
MIA-NYJ
NYJ-WAS
NYG-MIA
NYG-WAS
So basically  
huygens20 : 11/10/2019 8:02 pm : link
We get chase young if was beats us
Thanks Ray!  
Stan in LA : 11/10/2019 8:03 pm : link
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The Bengals have two remaining games vs the Browns including week 17  
cosmicj : 11/10/2019 8:08 pm : link
At home and they also face the Dolphins and Jets. I think there is a decent chance they finish with 2 or 3 wins.
Week 16 vs WAS  
Breeze_94 : 11/10/2019 8:11 pm : link
is the Chase Young bowl
Current big board for the Giants pick  
Breeze_94 : 11/10/2019 8:13 pm : link
1. DE Chase Young
2. OT Andrew Thomas
3. OT Tristan Wirfs
4. LB Isaiah Simmons
5. CB Jeff Okudah
6. WR Jerry Jeudy

Don't have to worry about listing more than 5-6 guys because Giants will be picking early.
Who is the top runner available?  
Marty866b : 11/10/2019 8:16 pm : link
Gettleman may draft another guy who has "been touched by the hand of God".
The 2 games vs Miami at home and on the road in DC  
The_Boss : 11/10/2019 8:17 pm : link
Are enormous for the long term future of this franchise. Not only do we potentially secure a shot at choosing between Young, Thomas, or a King’s ransom return in a trade down scenario, but it might mean we rid ourselves of the incompetent leadership of DG and the Shurminator.

Keep losing.
God help me  
Mike from Ohio : 11/10/2019 8:17 pm : link
but if the week 16 game will determine who gets the second pick - and likely Chase Young- I will actively root for the Giants to lose.
RE: Current big board for the Giants pick  
jeff57 : 11/10/2019 8:40 pm : link
In comment 14673759 Breeze_94 said:
Quote:
1. DE Chase Young
2. OT Andrew Thomas
3. OT Tristan Wirfs
4. LB Isaiah Simmons
5. CB Jeff Okudah
6. WR Jerry Jeudy

Don't have to worry about listing more than 5-6 guys because Giants will be picking early.


I’d say

Young
Thomas
Jeudy
Simmons
Okudah
RE: God help me  
WillVAB : 11/10/2019 8:48 pm : link
In comment 14673767 Mike from Ohio said:
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but if the week 16 game will determine who gets the second pick - and likely Chase Young- I will actively root for the Giants to lose.


It probably will. Giants have philly twice, Chicago, Green Bay, and Miami. They may win one of those games.
Key is to stay ahead of Miami  
DCOrange : 11/10/2019 8:57 pm : link
Miami will want Burrow or Tua. One of them will be available at 3. Giants get Miami’s two #1s as Miami isn’t going to chance someone else grabbing the Giants pick and taking their QB.
Someone is going to offer us  
ryanmkeane : 11/10/2019 9:02 pm : link
a shitload of picks for one of the QBs.
RE: Someone is going to offer us  
Spider56 : 11/10/2019 9:27 pm : link
In comment 14673900 ryanmkeane said:
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a shitload of picks for one of the QBs.


Maybe that’s been the plan all along ...
Remember When Some People Thought We Had a Shot at the POs?  
Giants38 : 11/10/2019 9:28 pm : link
How funny was that nonsense? At least at this juncture, this year people are not kidding themselves about a PO run like some were last year.
RE: Someone is going to offer us  
allstarjim : 11/10/2019 9:33 pm : link
In comment 14673900 ryanmkeane said:
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a shitload of picks for one of the QBs.


I really, really hope so.

I get the fascination with Chase Young but no single player is going to turn this team into a winner. They need quality players at too many positions.

The best case scenario is the Giants get one of the top 2 picks, at which point, they would be well-positioned to trade down, hopefully get one of the top two OTs, which is a critical need, and oh by the way, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to have two first round picks in the 2021 draft when Trevor Lawrence will likely be making the jump to the NFL.
RE: RE: Someone is going to offer us  
Giants38 : 11/10/2019 9:37 pm : link
In comment 14674035 allstarjim said:
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In comment 14673900 ryanmkeane said:


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a shitload of picks for one of the QBs.



I really, really hope so.

I get the fascination with Chase Young but no single player is going to turn this team into a winner. They need quality players at too many positions.

The best case scenario is the Giants get one of the top 2 picks, at which point, they would be well-positioned to trade down, hopefully get one of the top two OTs, which is a critical need, and oh by the way, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to have two first round picks in the 2021 draft when Trevor Lawrence will likely be making the jump to the NFL.


The offers may come in, but we currently have a GM who has NEVER traded down in his career in any round. And he learned under a GM who also never traded down. So, he'll just say that he got offers, but they were for "coffee and a bag of donuts," or something like that.
So many bad teams  
giantsFC : 11/11/2019 12:31 am : link
In NFL this year
RE: Current big board for the Giants pick  
santacruzom : 11/11/2019 12:58 am : link
In comment 14673759 Breeze_94 said:
Quote:
1. DE Chase Young
2. OT Andrew Thomas
3. OT Tristan Wirfs
4. LB Isaiah Simmons
5. CB Jeff Okudah
6. WR Jerry Jeudy

Don't have to worry about listing more than 5-6 guys because Giants will be picking early.


I absolutely think the Giants should have Okudah on their board. The problem is, they are stupid. They have drafted 3 cornerbacks the past two years (4 if you count Love) and I am sure they believe they aren't in need of another one.
This team needs a big time pass rusher  
RollBlue : 11/11/2019 9:44 am : link
BADLY. If Young is there you run to the podium. If he's not, go ahead and trade down.
RE: RE: RE: Someone is going to offer us  
allstarjim : 11/12/2019 11:02 am : link
In comment 14674045 Giants38 said:
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In comment 14674035 allstarjim said:


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In comment 14673900 ryanmkeane said:


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a shitload of picks for one of the QBs.



I really, really hope so.

I get the fascination with Chase Young but no single player is going to turn this team into a winner. They need quality players at too many positions.

The best case scenario is the Giants get one of the top 2 picks, at which point, they would be well-positioned to trade down, hopefully get one of the top two OTs, which is a critical need, and oh by the way, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to have two first round picks in the 2021 draft when Trevor Lawrence will likely be making the jump to the NFL.



The offers may come in, but we currently have a GM who has NEVER traded down in his career in any round. And he learned under a GM who also never traded down. So, he'll just say that he got offers, but they were for "coffee and a bag of donuts," or something like that.


While that's true, I don't believe Gettleman has ever been in the situation where it made this much sense to trade down, where the return could be transformational to the organization.

I think this draft is similar to the 2016 draft where the Browns (idiotically) traded down with the Eagles from #2, where the Eagles took Wentz.

The Browns traded #2 and a 2017 4th rounder.

The Eagles traded #8, a 3rd and a 4th in the 2016 draft, a first round pick in the 2017 draft, and a 2nd round pick in the 2018 draft.

And I think the Giants could even do a little better, because I think Tua might be a bit better of a prospect (less risk) than Wentz. Perhaps flip the 3rd rounder to a 2nd rounder, and drop the following year's 4th on the giveaway side.

The Giants should still be picking top 10, have two 2nds, two 4ths, and two firsts in the 2021 draft, as well as an extra 2nd in the 2022 draft. I'd sign up for that in a heartbeat. You'd be able to address both OT spots and edge rusher in the first 43 picks of the draft or so.
I get the multiple needs thoughts, BUT  
BlueLou'sBack : 11/12/2019 11:16 am : link
if Chase Young is as good as or better than Joey and Nick Visa, you grab him and don't look back, IMO.

A truly dynamic edge rusher almost turns around the whole defensive front 7.

Only almost because of the minus that Ogletree brings.
Joey and Nick  
BlueLou'sBack : 11/12/2019 11:17 am : link
Bosa!

Autocorrect on the phone...
RE: I get the multiple needs thoughts, BUT  
Eman11 : 11/12/2019 11:38 am : link
In comment 14677111 BlueLou'sBack said:
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if Chase Young is as good as or better than Joey and Nick Visa, you grab him and don't look back, IMO.

A truly dynamic edge rusher almost turns around the whole defensive front 7.

Only almost because of the minus that Ogletree brings.


The ideal scenario IMO would be the Giants at 2 with Miami at 3. Bengals take Burrows at 1 and the Dolphins worried someone might offer us more to get Tua, give the Giants a similar package that SD got when we traded for Eli.

Giants get Young at 3 , Miami's #1 next year, and hopefully a little more to move back one spot.
Just noticed  
ray in arlington : 11/12/2019 12:50 pm : link
on the NFL ops site that the rules for draft order have changed. There's new tiebreakers for when AFC and NFC teams finish with the same record and SOS. I guess they didn't want to do the coin tosses at the combine anymore and want to have the draft order set at the end of the season.
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