Bricking every free throw. Completely flat and uninspired at home off a big road win the other night in Dallas. Need to show a little fight in the second half.
Looks like they put so much energy into that last win they couldn’t get up for this game. Hard to bring intensity each and every game, but that’s what the better teams do.
Is that for some reason they always black me out of the Kicjs telecast when they play Cleveland and I have to endure these homers that call their games. Just brutal to listen to, especially when they are up.
Already hit a little bit of a wall. Probably Fiz just overworked the young rookie. He will have to work through it but his horrible foul shooting is likely aided by tired legs.
Both teams have lousy meddling owners , bad front offices, and horrible probably worst in the league head coaches.
Really hard to be a fan right now with such incompetence .
On another note, im worried about RJ. His shooting is poor especially from the FT line, hes not very athletic and isnt finishing around the rim like he was earlier in the season. Hes not playing with much energy either.
I hope it's just him being tired or otherwise im afraid they already have a scouting report out on him and he hasnt adjusted to it .
Free throw shooting fall off a cliff, tired legs will.
I think Fizdale over used the kid. He is a very young rookie. He isn’t used to this level of contact and he was being played very high min every game. It likely took its toll and he will have to work through it and get his legs back
RE: The lineup on the floor right now is atrocious. Â
Free throw shooting fall off a cliff, tired legs will.
I think Fizdale over used the kid. He is a very young rookie. He isn’t used to this level of contact and he was being played very high min every game. It likely took its toll and he will have to work through it and get his legs back
its not tire ld legd after 8 games, give me a break
Free throw shooting fall off a cliff, tired legs will.
I think Fizdale over used the kid. He is a very young rookie. He isn’t used to this level of contact and he was being played very high min every game. It likely took its toll and he will have to work through it and get his legs back
its not tire ld legd after 8 games, give me a break
It can be if he is overused and not ready for that much time as rookie
Free throw shooting fall off a cliff, tired legs will.
I think Fizdale over used the kid. He is a very young rookie. He isn’t used to this level of contact and he was being played very high min every game. It likely took its toll and he will have to work through it and get his legs back
its not tire ld legd after 8 games, give me a break
It can be if he is overused and not ready for that much time as rookie
you dont think teams see that he cant shoot?
They are playing off of him and if he drives they are fouling him, sometime the refs call it, sometimes they dont snd if they do who cares
play basketball. This Front office plan going after ball stoppers on 1 and 2 year deals who are only going to be concerned about getting their own shots was such a stupid plan and its killing the development of the young guys on top of it .
Free throw shooting fall off a cliff, tired legs will.
I think Fizdale over used the kid. He is a very young rookie. He isn’t used to this level of contact and he was being played very high min every game. It likely took its toll and he will have to work through it and get his legs back
its not tire ld legd after 8 games, give me a break
It can be if he is overused and not ready for that much time as rookie
you dont think teams see that he cant shoot?
They are playing off of him and if he drives they are fouling him, sometime the refs call it, sometimes they dont snd if they do who cares
Not worth arguing about. He shot 49% from the line his first 8 games and just 1 for 8 (12.5%) these past two. He looks tired to me, but that’s just me opinion nothing more.
Part of the issue is, Barrett simply isn't a good shooter Â
What the hell was the point of that ? so they are backing the coach, defending their moves , and just saying they are upset. Ok great so what was the point then ?
Mills needs to get the fuck out of here. How many more years and years of losing under his watch do fans have to sit through before enough is enough ?
Hold a random presser with the president and GM and don’t say a damn thing of substance. Basically just begging for mercy. Wha a pathetic bunch of losers.
The other bottom-feeders at least resemble modern NBA teams. Our guards can’t dribble or shoot, our bigs don’t defend, nobody shoots well - just horrific. But Fiz does suck. Eerily similar to Shurmur/Giants.
Mills well on his way to losing 400 games as an executive Â
Is giving pressers about the state of the team while the coach is talking about the 8th seed. And people wonder why no star player wants to sign with them.
They can say they support the coaching staff all they want Â
That press conference was Fizdale being put on notice. He better hope to hell they start looking better over the next 10 games or else he will he gone by the start of December, and deservedly so.
I've ever seen. Perry looks like he's waiting for a blindfold and cigarette. Mills is basically being forced to eating shit in public. It's going to be a long winter for Dolan. He's going to stop going to the games pretty quickly or at least sitting where people can see him.
are there other teams in the NBA who aren't focused on the record?
Can the Mara's adopt this as best practices and move this type of innovative thinking to the NFL.
That's the 2019 John Mara post season press conference when he tells us Gettleman and Shurmur will be back next year. Hello Giant fans like the Knicks we're not focused on the record. We're looking for effort and consistency with effort.
then look abysmal against a terrible team at home on Sunday. Ridiculous to win a tough game in Dallas on a Friday, then look abysmal against a terrible team at home on Sunday.
People know the team isn't good, but these are shit efforts at home against shit teams 2 days after quality efforts.
What explanation is there for their 3 worst games of the season thus Â
what is a coach supposed to do with that backcourt? when the league is driven by the.... well backcourt and ball handlers.
I don't like Fiz but the composition of the team is prehistoric.
the Cavs on the other hand will be watchable as they have backcourt players, a few vets, and a coach with a good system.
and btw the nets suck too... they give up 120pts a game. total disgrace- bunch of returning players with their heads up their ass really.
My problem with the knicks is not missing shots, its not even how they play on offense..
It is the lack of effort and complete stupid shit they do, the players even admitted at the beginning of the year they have tonplay hard defensively and that was the way they had to win..
Last night wasnt about talent, it was a complete lack of effort, friday night they pkayed hard on defense and the offense was secondary and they won...
Fiz saying they are only 2 games out of the playoffs is insane.
These players sure loved to talk about bringing the toughness back to the Garden, but Randle and Portis are some of the softest defenders in the league. I knew Portis was a bad defender, I just didn’t know he was this bad.
I expected this team to be bad but this team is even worse than I expected. Dolan needs to look at the contracts they gave out, look at those players performance on the court, rewatch the press conference last night and fire Perry and Mills this morning. They have no clue how to build a winning team.
Fiz insisting on giving Randle, Portis and Morris as much time on the Â
floor together as they get is absolutely killing me. That combination does not work at all. You can only play two of those at a time. I don't understand how Fiz can't see that.
Dolan heard the "Dolan Sucks" chant and got pissed
He summoned Mills and Perry during the game
(Bondy reported all three weren't at their seats in the 3rd quarter)
He forced Mills and Perry to face the music and put Fiz on notice.
This team can't win as constructed, so Fiz's days are numbered.
People can point to roster construction all they want Â
But this team should still be better than it has been.
They were playing guys like Noah Vonleh, Emmanuel Mudiay, Lance Thomas, and Mario Hezonja major minutes last season. You replace them with Julius Randle, Marcus Morris, RJ Barrett, and Bobby Portis and some how got worse?
There is definitely talent on this team, but this coach clearly isn't figuring out a way to get the most out of it. Just a few obvious examples that people have brought up several times:
- Stop playing Randle and Morris together.
- Bobby Portis is undeserving of the number of minutes he is playing. The guy is an absolute zero on defense, and is way too streaky offensively to make up for it.
- Knox should NEVER be in at shooting guard. He is not quick enough to cover wings, and his best position is probably power forward, but Fizdale keeps pushing him the opposite direction.
- Julius Randle can not initiate the offense, and under no circumstance should he be at the top of the key trying to cross dudes up and making failed spin move attempts. His best position is probably small ball center, but how many minutes has he played there?
RE: People think Mills and Perry are the problem? Â
Who is Dolan going to get to come work for him at this point?
despite Dolan, the Knicks will be in play for most front office types. It's a no lose situation. You get paid millions and you have a built-in excuse if things don't go well.
to keep harassing Dolan at these games. Nothing physical or anything, but just the “Dolan Sucks” stuff. Make him throw thousands of people out. We know what a sensitive little child he is. Make him completely miserable and see if he actually gets fed up and considers selling the team.
At least there's some drama - will this team come out and fight, or lose to another bottom-feeder? Thursday is the must-watch game though - I'm sure Dallas will enjoy embarrassing us at home if they can.
So what will it take to get Masai here? Supposedly the Wizards offered north of 10mill a year and he passed. Dolan should offer whatever it takes to make him come and give him complete power. He's the guy.
If this season continues the way its gone, I don't think Mills can survive this. He's been sheltered from Phil Jackson, some of those "tanking" years and with the allure of Kevin Durant last summer. Thats all gone now and the heat is one- deservedly so.
So what will it take to get Masai here? Supposedly the Wizards offered north of 10mill a year and he passed. Dolan should offer whatever it takes to make him come and give him complete power. He's the guy.
If this season continues the way its gone, I don't think Mills can survive this. He's been sheltered from Phil Jackson, some of those "tanking" years and with the allure of Kevin Durant last summer. Thats all gone now and the heat is one- deservedly so.
i dont know when his contract is up but you probably have to give up picks to get him..
I think it might be a few dollars less, but the point remains - what the hell were they thinking. Portis and Ellington were the two signings that struck me as completely meaningless. I know we can't have a team of 20-year-olds, but Kornet is a better player than Portis at a fraction of the cost. Same with Dotson/Ellington. Mills and Perry, be better than that.
but also said ownership is not riling out coaching and front office changes..
And this is the one time i dont blame dolan if hebcompletely cleans house, mills and perry came to him with a plan, they traded kp and told dolan they were going to get high priced free agents and get a top pick, didnt happen...
If they just fore fizdale, nothing is going to chanhe
but also said ownership is not riling out coaching and front office changes..
And this is the one time i dont blame dolan if hebcompletely cleans house, mills and perry came to him with a plan, they traded kp and told dolan they were going to get high priced free agents and get a top pick, didnt happen...
If they just fore fizdale, nothing is going to chanhe
I really doubt anything will happen before EOY. But at that point I'd suspect they'll completely tear everything down.
but also said ownership is not riling out coaching and front office changes..
And this is the one time i dont blame dolan if hebcompletely cleans house, mills and perry came to him with a plan, they traded kp and told dolan they were going to get high priced free agents and get a top pick, didnt happen...
If they just fore fizdale, nothing is going to chanhe
I really doubt anything will happen before EOY. But at that point I'd suspect they'll completely tear everything down.
What they should do, which wont happen, fire mills, and fo not fire anyone else until the new guy is hired..
Once he is hired, let him make the decision..
I hate fizdale right now but you dont let mills make that decision, stop giving him lifelines
I think it might be a few dollars less, but the point remains - what the hell were they thinking. Portis and Ellington were the two signings that struck me as completely meaningless. I know we can't have a team of 20-year-olds, but Kornet is a better player than Portis at a fraction of the cost. Same with Dotson/Ellington. Mills and Perry, be better than that.
i had to laugh at fizdale giving minutes to ellington jist to keep him happy..
and where was gibson last night? he was big for the knicks in dallas..
Are paying Payton, Portis, Gibson, Bullock and Ellington 45 million this year. I don’t care that they are 1 year deals- that’s outrageous.
And for all the praise about “cap flexibility” these morons received and even promoted themselves, they have over 10 million committed to Noah and Randle ( assuming he leaves) in 2021-2022 season- the next offseason when top FAs are available. Not that it even matters anyway but that’s an awful allocation of resources.
The season to try to save his own ass, but the statement on the first day of free agency and the impromptu press conference last night are pretty clearly Dolan forcing Mills to take those actions. Seems like he’s sick of being the one to take all of the heat and criticism and is finally trying to make Mills the face of all the dysfunction and failure.
RE: Presti should trade us SGA and some first rounders this season Â
The season to try to save his own ass, but the statement on the first day of free agency and the impromptu press conference last night are pretty clearly Dolan forcing Mills to take those actions. Seems like he’s sick of being the one to take all of the heat and criticism and is finally trying to make Mills the face of all the dysfunction and failure.
I think you're right about this. No way in hell Mills/Perry held that presser last night without being forced to do it. Jimmy Dolan is hyper-sensitive to criticism, and the crowd was rough on him last night. He clearly read them the riot act during the game. I think Steve Mills is running out of escape plans.
hire a guy who has done the job before and been succesful...please just one time be smart..
Dont go for the splashy name with inexperience, Woj makes mention of this all the time, if the knicks actually opened up their search they could hire the best guy to do the job...
RE: Presti should trade us SGA and some first rounders this season Â
SGA looks great and is a real player. Another Knicks screwup and they can’t blame that one on Jackson. Him over Knox would have been huge.
I would love Presti and he would be my 2nd choice behind Masai. But is he really walking away from all those picks and SGA?
Dolan needs to write a blank check and offer complete power to run the entire basketball operation. If he truly does that, he will be able to find someone good. And not the assistant GM from Sacramento...
At this point I think it would be worth it. It would suck losing out on a player like Cole Anthony, Anthony Edwards or Wiseman, but finally having not just a competent GM, but a legitimately great FO exec running the show is more important.
I believe part of the deal was a piece of the team. Doing the same with the knicks would be complicated because of how ownership of the team and the Rangers and MSG and other properties is structured (although that seems to be in flux lately)....but that's the kind of offer you're looking at to land one of the NBA's truly big fish.
RE: If they had to give up their first in 2020 to get Ujiri do you do it? Â
At this point I think it would be worth it. It would suck losing out on a player like Cole Anthony, Anthony Edwards or Wiseman, but finally having not just a competent GM, but a legitimately great FO exec running the show is more important.
i dont, you cant give up a top 5 pick, probably would be a couple of 2nds
trier is a horseshit defender
Really hard to be a fan right now with such incompetence .
On another note, im worried about RJ. His shooting is poor especially from the FT line, hes not very athletic and isnt finishing around the rim like he was earlier in the season. Hes not playing with much energy either.
I hope it's just him being tired or otherwise im afraid they already have a scouting report out on him and he hasnt adjusted to it .
I think Fizdale over used the kid. He is a very young rookie. He isn’t used to this level of contact and he was being played very high min every game. It likely took its toll and he will have to work through it and get his legs back
Sorry, was Dotson not Ellington but Ellington in for Knox now which is just as bad.
I think Fizdale over used the kid. He is a very young rookie. He isn’t used to this level of contact and he was being played very high min every game. It likely took its toll and he will have to work through it and get his legs back
its not tire ld legd after 8 games, give me a break
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Free throw shooting fall off a cliff, tired legs will.
I think Fizdale over used the kid. He is a very young rookie. He isn’t used to this level of contact and he was being played very high min every game. It likely took its toll and he will have to work through it and get his legs back
its not tire ld legd after 8 games, give me a break
It can be if he is overused and not ready for that much time as rookie
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Free throw shooting fall off a cliff, tired legs will.
I think Fizdale over used the kid. He is a very young rookie. He isn’t used to this level of contact and he was being played very high min every game. It likely took its toll and he will have to work through it and get his legs back
its not tire ld legd after 8 games, give me a break
It can be if he is overused and not ready for that much time as rookie
you dont think teams see that he cant shoot?
They are playing off of him and if he drives they are fouling him, sometime the refs call it, sometimes they dont snd if they do who cares
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Free throw shooting fall off a cliff, tired legs will.
I think Fizdale over used the kid. He is a very young rookie. He isn’t used to this level of contact and he was being played very high min every game. It likely took its toll and he will have to work through it and get his legs back
its not tire ld legd after 8 games, give me a break
It can be if he is overused and not ready for that much time as rookie
you dont think teams see that he cant shoot?
They are playing off of him and if he drives they are fouling him, sometime the refs call it, sometimes they dont snd if they do who cares
Not worth arguing about. He shot 49% from the line his first 8 games and just 1 for 8 (12.5%) these past two. He looks tired to me, but that’s just me opinion nothing more.
Mills needs to get the fuck out of here. How many more years and years of losing under his watch do fans have to sit through before enough is enough ?
tweedle dee and . . . - ( New Window )
Can the Mara's adopt this as best practices and move this type of innovative thinking to the NFL.
That's the 2019 John Mara post season press conference when he tells us Gettleman and Shurmur will be back next year. Hello Giant fans like the Knicks we're not focused on the record. We're looking for effort and consistency with effort.
Reminder that Steve Mills is now 165-337 as an executive.
People know the team isn't good, but these are shit efforts at home against shit teams 2 days after quality efforts.
and i can tske a team playing hard and losing, but i cant watch what we just watched last night, that is just lazy..
what is a coach supposed to do with that backcourt? when the league is driven by the.... well backcourt and ball handlers.
I don't like Fiz but the composition of the team is prehistoric.
the Cavs on the other hand will be watchable as they have backcourt players, a few vets, and a coach with a good system.
and btw the nets suck too... they give up 120pts a game. total disgrace- bunch of returning players with their heads up their ass really.
what is a coach supposed to do with that backcourt? when the league is driven by the.... well backcourt and ball handlers.
I don't like Fiz but the composition of the team is prehistoric.
the Cavs on the other hand will be watchable as they have backcourt players, a few vets, and a coach with a good system.
and btw the nets suck too... they give up 120pts a game. total disgrace- bunch of returning players with their heads up their ass really.
My problem with the knicks is not missing shots, its not even how they play on offense..
It is the lack of effort and complete stupid shit they do, the players even admitted at the beginning of the year they have tonplay hard defensively and that was the way they had to win..
Last night wasnt about talent, it was a complete lack of effort, friday night they pkayed hard on defense and the offense was secondary and they won...
These players sure loved to talk about bringing the toughness back to the Garden, but Randle and Portis are some of the softest defenders in the league. I knew Portis was a bad defender, I just didn’t know he was this bad.
I expected this team to be bad but this team is even worse than I expected. Dolan needs to look at the contracts they gave out, look at those players performance on the court, rewatch the press conference last night and fire Perry and Mills this morning. They have no clue how to build a winning team.
It can’t be any worse. Mills has the rare gift of losing every season but also not getting any good young players.
You can’t be any worse at the job then Mills.
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Dolan heard the "Dolan Sucks" chant and got pissed
He summoned Mills and Perry during the game
(Bondy reported all three weren't at their seats in the 3rd quarter)
He forced Mills and Perry to face the music and put Fiz on notice.
This team can't win as constructed, so Fiz's days are numbered.
They were playing guys like Noah Vonleh, Emmanuel Mudiay, Lance Thomas, and Mario Hezonja major minutes last season. You replace them with Julius Randle, Marcus Morris, RJ Barrett, and Bobby Portis and some how got worse?
There is definitely talent on this team, but this coach clearly isn't figuring out a way to get the most out of it. Just a few obvious examples that people have brought up several times:
- Stop playing Randle and Morris together.
- Bobby Portis is undeserving of the number of minutes he is playing. The guy is an absolute zero on defense, and is way too streaky offensively to make up for it.
- Knox should NEVER be in at shooting guard. He is not quick enough to cover wings, and his best position is probably power forward, but Fizdale keeps pushing him the opposite direction.
- Julius Randle can not initiate the offense, and under no circumstance should he be at the top of the key trying to cross dudes up and making failed spin move attempts. His best position is probably small ball center, but how many minutes has he played there?
despite Dolan, the Knicks will be in play for most front office types. It's a no lose situation. You get paid millions and you have a built-in excuse if things don't go well.
haha what is this 10 years from now? mills will never be fired
If this season continues the way its gone, I don't think Mills can survive this. He's been sheltered from Phil Jackson, some of those "tanking" years and with the allure of Kevin Durant last summer. Thats all gone now and the heat is one- deservedly so.
If this season continues the way its gone, I don't think Mills can survive this. He's been sheltered from Phil Jackson, some of those "tanking" years and with the allure of Kevin Durant last summer. Thats all gone now and the heat is one- deservedly so.
i dont know when his contract is up but you probably have to give up picks to get him..
I wonder if rc buford is gettable..
giannis hates the knicks never going to happen, who do you think leaked that story about the knicks not recruiting him..
And this is the one time i dont blame dolan if hebcompletely cleans house, mills and perry came to him with a plan, they traded kp and told dolan they were going to get high priced free agents and get a top pick, didnt happen...
If they just fore fizdale, nothing is going to chanhe
And this is the one time i dont blame dolan if hebcompletely cleans house, mills and perry came to him with a plan, they traded kp and told dolan they were going to get high priced free agents and get a top pick, didnt happen...
If they just fore fizdale, nothing is going to chanhe
I really doubt anything will happen before EOY. But at that point I'd suspect they'll completely tear everything down.
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but also said ownership is not riling out coaching and front office changes..
And this is the one time i dont blame dolan if hebcompletely cleans house, mills and perry came to him with a plan, they traded kp and told dolan they were going to get high priced free agents and get a top pick, didnt happen...
If they just fore fizdale, nothing is going to chanhe
I really doubt anything will happen before EOY. But at that point I'd suspect they'll completely tear everything down.
What they should do, which wont happen, fire mills, and fo not fire anyone else until the new guy is hired..
Once he is hired, let him make the decision..
I hate fizdale right now but you dont let mills make that decision, stop giving him lifelines
i had to laugh at fizdale giving minutes to ellington jist to keep him happy..
and where was gibson last night? he was big for the knicks in dallas..
And for all the praise about “cap flexibility” these morons received and even promoted themselves, they have over 10 million committed to Noah and Randle ( assuming he leaves) in 2021-2022 season- the next offseason when top FAs are available. Not that it even matters anyway but that’s an awful allocation of resources.
I support this
I think you're right about this. No way in hell Mills/Perry held that presser last night without being forced to do it. Jimmy Dolan is hyper-sensitive to criticism, and the crowd was rough on him last night. He clearly read them the riot act during the game. I think Steve Mills is running out of escape plans.
Dont go for the splashy name with inexperience, Woj makes mention of this all the time, if the knicks actually opened up their search they could hire the best guy to do the job...
SGA looks great and is a real player. Another Knicks screwup and they can’t blame that one on Jackson. Him over Knox would have been huge.
I would love Presti and he would be my 2nd choice behind Masai. But is he really walking away from all those picks and SGA?
Dolan needs to write a blank check and offer complete power to run the entire basketball operation. If he truly does that, he will be able to find someone good. And not the assistant GM from Sacramento...
i dont, you cant give up a top 5 pick, probably would be a couple of 2nds